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Trump’s Arctic Drill Plan Challenged by Environmental Groups
Environmental groups are challenging President Donald Trump’s attempt to restore oil and gas leasing on more than 125 million acres in the Arctic and Atlantic oceans, arguing that a warming world doesn’t need the fossil fuels they contain.
The League of Conservation Voters, The Wilderness Society, Sierra Club and seven other conservation groups sued Wednesday in federal court in Alaska, taking aim at Trump’s attempt to make the acreage available for a new generation of oil exploration. President Barack Obama had moved to put those areas off limits for new oil leases.
The case joins a flurry of other lawsuits battling Trump’s recent moves to undo environmental regulations and climate policies imposed by his predecessor. It could decide how much authority presidents have to dictate when and where offshore drilling should take place, as the first test of a 64-year-old statute empowering presidents to rule out the activity “from time to time.”
“Were President Trump able to get away with this, the country would lose an important tool for protecting its vital interest in clean and vibrant oceans and coasts,” said Niel Lawrence, Alaska director for the Natural Resources Defense Council, which is both a plaintiff and legal counsel in the case. “By now it’s clear there is no legitimate public interest in further expanding risk to our oceans in pursuit of fossil fuels that we don’t need.”
The Natural Defense Council and Earthjustice, environmental litigation groups, are providing lawyers to help fight the case.
An Interior Department spokeswoman declined to comment, referring queries to the Justice Department. The Justice Department didn’t have an immediate comment on the lawsuit.
It’s the first lawsuit by the League of Conservation Voters, whose main focus in its 48-year-history has been grading elected lawmakers for their track record supporting the environment.
League President Gene Karpinski said the group was taking the unprecedented step to preserve the hard-fought protections advanced by Obama.
“President Trump is trying to erase all the climate and environmental progress we’ve made,” Karpinski said in a Medium post. “We aren’t about to go down without a fight, and by joining this litigation, we are signaling to Congress our resolute and growing commitment to defending the Arctic and Atlantic permanent protections and halting the expansion of risky offshore drilling.”
The groups are trying to preserve past Obama declarations withdrawing most U.S. Arctic waters and about 4 million acres of the Atlantic Ocean along the U.S. East Coast from future oil and gas leasing.
Executive Order
In an executive order signed Friday, Trump modified the text of three of Obama’s directives so they now refer to entirely different territory previously designated for protection in 2008.
Trump’s order also explicitly revoked Obama’s designation of a 112,300-square-mile Northern Bering Sea Climate Resilience area, an action that was backed by Alaska Natives. The lawsuit filed Wednesday doesn’t target that revocation.
The legal dispute centers on a provision in a 1953 law known as the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act that allows the president to, “from time to time, withdraw from disposition any of the unleased lands of the outer continental shelf.” Supporters say Trump’s action is in keeping with the authority Congress gave presidents to determine which U.S. coastal waters are up for grabs for oil, natural gas and mineral development.
No Precedent
“There’s no precedent to show a ban should be permanent” and “there is nothing to suggest a subsequent White House cannot overturn the decision,” the industry-sponsored Arctic Energy Center said in an emailed statement. The group said the Obama administration’s withdrawals also conflict with Congress’s imperative to make U.S. coastal waters available “for expeditious and orderly development.”
The obscure provision had been used to preserve coral reefs and walrus grounds — and environmentalists said it was appropriate for Obama to seize it to protect fragile, remote Arctic waters from energy development.
The law doesn’t give presidents the power to undo a withdrawal of territory once it’s made, the environmentalists said. It’s Congress which has the authority to manage territory belonging to the federal government, and the president can regulate it only to the extent Congress authorizes him to do so, the groups said in the complaint.
“Until Trump, no president has ever tried to reverse a permanent withdrawal” made under that law, the conservation groups said in a joint statement. “President Trump’s April 28 executive order exceeds his constitutional and statutory authority and violates federal law.”
Trump has ordered Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke to consider scheduling new sales of drilling rights along the U.S. coastline, with an eye on annual auctions of territory in the western and central Gulf of Mexico, the Chukchi and Beaufort seas north of Alaska and the mid- and south-Atlantic. A surge in domestic drilling could unleash American ” dominance” in energy production, Zinke told oil industry executives gathered at a summit in Houston.
Trump’s executive order seeking to ban people from six mostly Muslim countries from entering the U.S. and his threat to cut off some funding to so-called sanctuary cities have been challenged successfully, so far, with judges blocking their implementation.
The case is Kanam v. U.S. Department of Interior, 17-cv-00010, U.S. District Court, District of Alaska (Fairbanks.)
64 Comments on "Trump’s Arctic Drill Plan Challenged by Environmental Groups"
bobinget on Wed, 3rd May 2017 4:44 pm
Here’s a fact, may surprise;
Two thirds of Canada’s electricity now comes from renewable energy
Jesse Snyder | May 3, 2017 4:23 PM ET
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CALGARY — Canada substantially boosted its renewable electricity capacity over the past decade, and has now emerged as the second largest producer of hydroelectricty in the world, a new report said Wednesday.
A report by the National Energy Board said that Canada generated 66 per cent of its electricity from renewable sources in 2015. Hydroelectric power accounted for roughly 60 per cent of electricity supply, generating around 79,000 megawatts in 2015.
But as Canada aims to further boost its renewable capacity as part of its lofty climate goals, analysts are questioning hydro’s role in the future. Environmental activists have firmly opposed new large-scale hydro dams like BC Hydro’s Site C and Nalcor Energy’s Muskrat Falls Project in Labrador, which has hobbled development.
“Dams can interfere with fish migration, deplete oxygen in reservoirs, mobilize contaminants, and trap sediment that are important for maintaining downstream habitats including protecting deltas from erosion,” the NEB report said.
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Analysts and local communities have also begun to question the potential of large-scale hydro dams in provinces like B.C. and Quebec in the future, as focus is increasingly placed on smaller run-of-river projects that generate a fraction of the capacity.
“I wouldn’t say we’ve reached a hard limit where we’ve done what we can in hydro, but the potential for hydro in regions where we don’t already see it is very limited,” said Kent Fellows, a research associate with the School of Public Policy at the University of Calgary.
However, the Ottawa-based Canadian Hydropower Association estimates that Canada could generate another 160,000MW of hydro electricity, compared with 79,000MW today.
As large-scale hydropower projects face some resistance, wind and solar are set to step grown rapidly in recent years as their costs continue to fall.
Wind capacity in Canada increased 20-fold between 2005 and 2015, according to the NEB, and accounted for 7.7 per cent of total electricity capacity in 2015. Solar accounted for 1.5 per cent.
As Canada’s dependence on renewable sources like solar and wind grows — albeit gradually — governments are now grappling with how to build the high-voltage transmission lines that would be needed to offset intermittency.
“There is potential for wind, but the question there is what are the costs, and that cost-benefit calculation becomes very complicated when you have to factor in things like new transmission capacity to get that more regional dispersion,” Fellows said.
Substituting intermittent power supplies with more stable ones is vastly more costly in Canada than in higher density countries like Denmark, which generates more than 50 per cent of its electricity from wind power.
In January, researchers at the University of Ottawa’s Institute of the Environment released a report that analyzed the long-term cost savings of building high-voltage connecting lines between several hydro rich and hydro poor regions—for example between Alberta and British Columbia.
“We found that you can achieve emission reductions at a lower cost if you build those transmission lines, and that’s including the cost of construction,” said Brett Dolter, one of the report’s authors.
Canada produced roughly 10 per cent of hydro capacity worldwide in 2015, second only to China at 29 per cent, the NEB data shows. Brazil and the U.S. produced nine per cent and 8 per cent, respectively.
Canada’s proportion of electricity generated by renewables is the sixth-highest in the world behind Denmark, Norway, Brazil, Austria and New Zealand. Only 12 countries generate more than half of their electricity from renewable supplies.
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Rockman on Wed, 3rd May 2017 7:37 pm
Hydro power is truly a blessing. But I’ve yet to see any proof that even one system was ever built for the sake of the environment. In fact all dams damage the local environment to some degree.
Seems dams have always been chosen for the same reason: economics. The same reason Texas developed its huge lignite deposits. I’ll be more impressed by the next hydro project built if it produces electricity less economically then the other options available.
That would be taking a green position for the sake of being green and not because it’s the right capitalist decision. Just as was the decision to develop the alts in Texas. And, from what I can tell, is why all the alternative energy infrastructure has been built in the US.
Apneaman on Wed, 3rd May 2017 9:17 pm
Bob, here in BC about 75% of electricity is generated by hydro dams and run of river. The reason they did it is because they could. A techno industrial country with the right geology and mega water. Same as why Texas does that wind.
Since they built all those dams there has been much more study on their environmental impact and it’s not good.
Hydroelectric dams emit a billion tonnes of greenhouse gases a year, study finds
Impact of dams on climate change has been underestimated, researchers warn, as rotting vegetation creates 25% more methane than previously thought
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/nov/14/hydroelectric-dams-emit-billion-tonnes-greenhouse-gas-methane-study-climate-change
Do We Even Need the Site C Dam?
Not really, at least now, the evidence suggests. Part of a reader-engaged series.
“Do we need the $8.9-billion Site C dam?”
https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/05/03/Do-We-Need-Site-C-Dam/
The more cancer the better. I’m advocating for a mandatory mass breeding program too.
Apneaman on Wed, 3rd May 2017 9:29 pm
Stephen Hawking Warns We Have 100 Years to Leave Earth
“Existential risks include climate change, overpopulation, epidemics and asteroid strikes, according to Hawking.”
http://www.newsweek.com/stephen-hawking-warns-100-years-earth-extinction-593609
Apneaman on Wed, 3rd May 2017 9:34 pm
How life (barely) survived Earth’s greatest extinction event
” The culprit was global warming associated with massive volcanic eruptions in Siberia, but modern-day events may lead to similar changes in today’s oceans.
Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-05-life-survived-earth-greatest-extinction.html#jCp”
Dr. James Hansen, a leading climate expert points out in his book “Storms of My Grandchildren” that at the current rate CO2 will increase one hundred ppm in approximately 40 years. During past periods of abrupt change — the most recent one occurring approximately 50 million years ago — it took roughly a million years for CO2 to change by one hundred ppm. Thus it is now changing about 25,000 times faster than in known geologic history.
http://www.johnenglander.net/co2-levels-and-mass-extinction-events/
Apneaman on Wed, 3rd May 2017 9:38 pm
Hell, even the growth obsessed Economist gets it.
The Arctic as it is known today is almost certainly gone
On current trends, the Arctic will be ice-free in summer by 2040
“THOSE who doubt the power of human beings to change Earth’s climate should look to the Arctic, and shiver. There is no need to pore over records of temperatures and atmospheric carbon-dioxide concentrations. The process is starkly visible in the shrinkage of the ice that covers the Arctic ocean. In the past 30 years, the minimum coverage of summer ice has fallen by half; its volume has fallen by three-quarters. On current trends, the Arctic ocean will be largely ice-free in summer by 2040.”
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21721379-current-trends-arctic-will-be-ice-free-summer-2040-arctic-it-known-today
It will happen before 2040.
Apneaman on Wed, 3rd May 2017 9:56 pm
Is there any crueler cut than giving people false hope?
Trump’s promise to bring back coal jobs is worse than a con
“When production peaked in 2008 — before coal plants started closing en masse — only 82,000 jobs remained.
There are now about 65,000 jobs left. That number will continue to fall in the years ahead, as technological advancements continue to displace workers and as cleaner and cheaper forms of energy continue to displace the industry itself.
The fact is, putting coal miners back to work is no more possible from a business standpoint than putting telegraph operators back to work taking Morse code or putting Eastman Kodak employees back to work manufacturing film rolls.”
http://wapo.st/2qtNGNZ
I guess giving people false hope is pretty much the entire job description for politicians.
If I was the man in charge, I’d make welding illegal and bring back them good riveting jobs.
Apneaman on Wed, 3rd May 2017 10:10 pm
And the AGW jacked weather records continue to fall like dominoes.
Levee breaks in Arkansas as record flooding continues to plague the region
“Weather-related incidents have killed at least 17 people in parts of the Midwest and South since the weekend, but the bulk of the flood damage has occurred in Arkansas and Missouri, where dangerous conditions have not subsided. ”
http://abcnews.go.com/US/record-flooding-continues-wreak-havoc-parts-missouri-arkansas/story?id=47178169
Sissyfuss on Wed, 3rd May 2017 10:25 pm
Rock, Capitalism will never work in a sustainable manner on a finite planet. “When the last tree is felled and the last fish captured, then the white man will learn the true value of his dollar.” Hope Chief Seattle said that just for Cloggendam’s sake.
Apneaman on Wed, 3rd May 2017 11:18 pm
Oklahoma’s largest ever earthquake was caused by humans drilling for oil and gas
Injecting wastewater into the ground was the likely cause, not fracking.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/oklahomas-largest-ever-earthquake-was-caused-by-humans-drilling-oil-gas-1619655
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B7xr_EjbzE
Apneaman on Wed, 3rd May 2017 11:55 pm
How Satellite Data Caught Gulf Oil Companies Hiding Enormous Oil Spills
An organization called SkyTruth is monitoring drilling companies for drastically underestimating the amount of oil they spill into the ocean.
“The public is being misled about the severity of day-to-day pollution associated with offshore oil development.”
https://www.fastcompany.com/40406093/how-satellite-data-caught-gulf-oil-companies-hiding-enormous-oil-spills
If you’re a Cancer and you know it……
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 12:41 am
It’s The End Of The World & We Know It: Scientists In Many Disciplines See Possible Near-Term Demise Of Our Species, Soon
“Oldspeak: “I’m always simultaneously dismayed & amused by writers who spend entire articles expounding on the life-eradicating truths about climate change, global warming and Earth’s 6th mass extinction that confront us and then end it with some hopium soaked bullshit like this:
“In a sense, though, religious people and scientists agree: We are in a unique moment of human history, one marked by an exceptionally high probability of disaster. The difference is that, for religious people, utopia stands on the other side of the apocalypse, whereas for scientists, there is nothing but darkness. To be clear, the situation is not by any means hopeless. In fact, there is hardly a threat before us — from climate change to the sixth mass extinction, from apocalyptic terrorism to a superintelligence takeover — that is inevitable. But without a concerted collective effort to avert catastrophe, the future could be as bad as any dystopian sci-fi writer has imagined.” -Phil Torres”
https://theoldspeakjournal.wordpress.com/2017/05/03/its-the-end-of-the-world-we-know-it-scientists-in-many-disciplines-see-possible-near-term-demise-of-our-species-soon/
O hell ya, humanity has all the top men looking out for them. Trumps & Trudeaus. Everything will be fine – tell yourself.
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 3:45 am
The “hiatus period” (1998–2012)
Despite the fact that “humanity” merrily kept the chimney smoking, between 1998-2012 there was a “pause” in global warming. And nobody has a clue why that was?
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/klimawandel-forscher-erklaeren-pause-der-erderwaermung-a-1145956.html
https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3274.epdf
The surface temperature of the Earth warmed more slowly over the period 1998–2012 than could be expected by examining either most model projections or the long-term warming trend
Obviously there are “right-wing” explanations…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCcLggcPcj0
(global temperature increase is a logarithmic function of CO2 ppm and expected to rapidly slow down; doubling of CO2 ppm results in merely a single degree Celsius temp increase)
…but since we are stuck with a western world that since the Roosevelt-Stalin disaster is globalist, everybody is yearning for global problems that require global solutions (=world government).
That btw is the only reason why our resident globalist Apneaman is so fanatically busy stirring up climate doom. This type of DNA will never undertake anything without a political by-purpose.
Did your Kehila send you, Apneaman? Are they satisfied with your work?
http://www.bh.org.il/5541-2/
Why don’t you find yourself a nice girlfriend as you admitted you are lonely?
Kehila Jewish Singles offer dating opportunities for the single.
And preferably a Chinese or Bantu girl, as you yourself admitted that mixed-marriages are the future.
Happy mixing!
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 4:12 am
Rock, Capitalism will never work in a sustainable manner on a finite planet. “When the last tree is felled and the last fish captured, then the white man will learn the true value of his dollar.” Hope Chief Seattle said that just for Cloggendam’s sake.
The EU is an example of a rather successful capitalist society that nevertheless is able to impose rigid environmental regulations.
Look Siss, I know that you are a commie by heart, by now you are really pushing it.
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 4:44 am
“The EU is an example of a rather successful capitalist society that nevertheless is able to impose rigid environmental regulations.”
There is nothing about Europe pointing to a great environmental success story. What has been done is marginally successful per a hyper capitalism economy. Nothing can make hyper capitalism less destructive. Besides many global environmental issues do not have borders. Europe can’t hide behind its own regulations. Many of Europe’s regulations are ignored when possible. The fact that there is 740MIL people on the Europe Continent is proof enough that damage is being done and will accelerate.
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 5:02 am
There is nothing about Europe pointing to a great environmental success story.
Really? Then you are willfully blind, probably to keep your doom story alive you have intellectually and emotionally invested so much in over the past 10-15 years:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/10/denmark-wind-windfarm-power-exceed-electricity-demand
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-16/germany-just-got-almost-all-of-its-power-from-renewable-energy
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/11/scotland-completely-powered-by-wind-turbines-for-a-day
These peak performances will only increase with passing time.
The EU has set the goal of 90%+ fossil fuel gone by 2050 and everybody here is taking it seriously and many even want to increase the pace.
Change will not come overnight but is a matter of the long haul.
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 5:06 am
“(global temperature increase is a logarithmic function of CO2 ppm and expected to rapidly slow down; doubling of CO2 ppm results in merely a single degree Celsius temp increase)”
Clog, you can diminish global warming however you like but the facts remain unchallenged. Dramatic human forcing has been occurring for a century now. Human forcing is increasing just as natural feedbacks are kicking in. The global carbon/climate system is huge and beyond exact modeling. That does not mean we can merely dismiss the worst because there was a deceptive lull. We should expect future temperatures to rise. The oceans have been warmed and further warming is limited. The oceans have absorbed CO2 and now are showing signs of saturation. Further warming on top of what has occurred will be relatively more damaging because the departure from normal is more than many species can tolerate. Weather patterns are shifting quicker than life can adapt. The carbon cycle is no longer normal and it is that “not normal” that threatens life especially a mammal like humans that support 7BIL on industrial agriculture.
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 5:11 am
Hydro power is truly a blessing. But I’ve yet to see any proof that even one system was ever built for the sake of the environment. In fact all dams damage the local environment to some degree.
They do CHANGE the environment alright but at the same time there is not a iota difference between a “natural” and an “artificial” lake.
If you are against hydro-power, you are against lakes, which intellectually is an untenable position.
My favorite two lakes, I visit every year: Brienzersee and Thunersee in Switzerland:
http://www.ueliraz.ch/2005/niesen/niesen-11.jpg
These are natural lakes, but could have been artificial. Nobody every complained that the existence of these two lakes is “environmentally damaging”.
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 5:13 am
Clog, your above is emotional projections, forecast, and predictions. Setting goals does not mean achieving them. The global economy is a mess and Europe is part of that. Any kind of serious economic shock will stop Europe’s transition attempts dead in in its tracks. You may achieve some of these changes but for naught because the rest of the globe is not going to get there and Europe will not survive in isolation. Your techno industrial Europe is not sustainable with renewables or without. You are deep in denial with the coming period of destructive change.
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 5:22 am
There is a hell of a difference between an artificial lake and a natural one. A natural environment was there and then it was changed once a river was created. That creates huge changes to the environment. Rivers have a great natural function in the hydrologic and life cycle. Change that and you destroy many aspects of an existing ecosystem. Huge amounts of carbon go into building impoundments. A good environment is a balance of lakes and rivers not a manmade system of lakes and controlled rivers. Wetlands and rivers have been and are being destroyed at alarming rates. The cost of building and maintaining man made reservoirs is underestimated. They pose a danger once the reach the end of their useful life. We humans are out of balance. Natural health is greater in an environmental balance. Our economic efforts at changing the hydrologic cycle have disturbed that balance. We are mindlessly adapting rivers for dubious ends. You have nothing to brag about her clog.
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 6:06 am
A natural environment was there and then it was changed once a river was created. That creates huge changes to the environment.
That’s what I said and you confirm: the environment CHANGES, from one type to another.
Change that and you destroy many aspects of an existing ecosystem.
Yep and create a new ecosystem. You did not challenge my notion that the lake behind a hydro-dam is just another lake, of which hundreds of thousands exist scattered over the planet. Try to challenge that.
Your techno industrial Europe is not sustainable with renewables or without. You are deep in denial with the coming period of destructive change.
Destructive change will come alright, as a result of geopolitical changes (rise China, rise Islam, rise third world population, ethnic tensions in Europe and America and downfall of American hegemony and breakup of the West after Brexit and turkey going alone and Europa having no alternative than to turn to Russia).
Washington: a Muslim making fun of European America and its president during the high profile “correspondence dinner”, with the president absent (and there are still idiots like Anonymouse here who claim that Trump is BAU). Meanwhile the darkies are taking over:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7oG74nHSTQ
This is very painful for European America, but at the same time offers the opportunity for Europe to escape from the empire. The absence of Trump is a precursor of things to come, namely that European America, after a break of perhaps 4 years from political correctness, will refuse to return to prison voluntarily and will be tempted to break away.
Here a rare NYC Jewish conservative Dennis Prager indicating what could become next:
https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2017/05/02/will-the-second-civil-war-turn-violent-n2320819
[part 1]
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 6:06 am
Prager, who holds the realistic view that…
In 1985, in a debate with Rabbi Meir Kahane on the Ray Briem show, Prager stated that most Arabs would destroy Israel if they had the opportunity.
(I personally think that Palestine will become absorbed again in a neo-Ottoman empire)
…paints a picture of present day America where leftist thugs (and there are a lot of them in America, the land of the “huddled masses”) are disrupting public life, to the tune that the police often not even attempts to restore order. Universities generally have become bulwarks of political correctness where academic standards no longer apply and affirmative action is the norm. If a moderately right-wing speaker like Ann Coulter tries to address an university audience, antifa thugs are guaranteed to attempt to disrupt and prevent the meeting.
Meanwhile there are right-wing Europeans in America who are not willing to accept the developments without a fight. A good example was the recent violent clash in Berkeley, resulting in a smashing victory (pun intended) for the altright.
Expect the clashes to grow in intensity, until the moment has arrived that a US equivalent of the Russian-Ukrainian town of Slaviansk will emerge and declare independence from Washington and Civil War 2.0 will be a fact. And just like all Moscow-loyalist politicians in Eastern Europe were rammed out of office in 1989, the same will happen to all these US vassals in western Europe and their despised multicult policies, the majority of the European populations reject, but are pursued regardless and sold as “inevitable” and in line with UN regulations regarding “refugees”, where in reality these policies are a deliberate attempt to phase out the white race and a consequence of the forced membership of Europe of the “Judaic State” aka the West after 1945.
Now that’s the real destruction that is coming up in our life time, not that silly peak oil of climate change.
[part 2]
deadlykillerbeaz on Thu, 4th May 2017 6:10 am
Titusville is dry, so you gotta go to where there will be more oil, Texas and California. Or over to Baku where the white oil is or down to Louisiana for the sweet crude there. Eventually, it will all be dry, gone. Might be some more in Venezuela, have to go look. But then… there it was, gone. All of it.
Manitoba’s hydro produces 95 percent of its electricity.
Mongolia’s coal-fired power plants produce 98 percent of the electricity there.
You gotta go with what is going to work the bestest.
Forrest Trump is plagued with cognitive dissonance.
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 8:37 am
“Yep and create a new ecosystem. You did not challenge my notion that the lake behind a hydro-dam is just another lake, of which hundreds of thousands exist scattered over the planet. Try to challenge that.”
Man can never reproduce what nature has made. We have made huge reductions in free flowing rivers and drained most of the vital wetlands for lakes and agriculture. The results are horrible and many are beyond repair. You act like that is natural and a trade off without loss.
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 8:39 am
Clog, you essentially are a Euro flag waiver and climate change denialist except where it is beneficial to your Euro fantasy. You have a distorted revised history that is based upon your historically embellished emotional attachments. You have become an extremist with an agenda much like a makati.
Clog, the geopolitical changes you are predicting are again Euro-centric and without firm basis. They are speculation. Much of what you say are forecast, predictions, and projections. Some of what you say has merit, some might materialize, but much is uncertain and may never materialize. Many things you say are just theories and conjectures of your emotional Euro-Attachment. You are a white Euro nationalist who is deeply into cognitive dissonance because of a decaying Europe situation. It is dangerously exposed to geopolitical disruptions, climate change, and economic shocks. Europe is facing all the same issues other areas and sandwiched between a south and east that are even worse than Europe. The only place much worse is Asia. I would say Europe is no worse than North America but in no way a beacon of greatness ahead.
Rockman on Thu, 4th May 2017 8:45 am
Sissy – “Capitalism will never work in a sustainable manner on a finite planet.”. Of course not…it’s not designed to do so. Despite what some economists/politicians promise.
joe on Thu, 4th May 2017 8:55 am
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2017/may/04/global-warming-scientists-learn-lessons-from-the-pause-that-never-was
Cloggie, wrong with the facts as usual. Poor dope smoking dutchy.
joe on Thu, 4th May 2017 9:00 am
“(I personally think that Palestine will become absorbed again in a neo-Ottoman empire)”
Are you a fool? You think the Arabs want to exchange Israel for Turks? You couldnt be showing more ignorance of what Islam is and how the Arabs think. If nazism was Arabic in origin it would have the name Islam! Oh wait, it does…..
onlooker on Thu, 4th May 2017 9:06 am
Sissy – “Capitalism will never work in a sustainable manner on a finite planet.”. Of course not…it’s not designed to do so. Despite what some economists/politicians promise.
If only our so called leaders would admit that as well as many of the masses of people
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 9:28 am
Record rainfall for much of the North Island, and record high temperatures for others
http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/92232221/record-rainfall-for-much-of-the-north-island-and-record-high-temperatures-for-others
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 9:33 am
Bay Area weather: More records fall as heat wave enters third day
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/03/bay-area-weather-more-records-fall-as-heat-wave-enters-third-day/
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 9:52 am
hair clog, you have repeatedly claimed (without any evidence) that scientists are lying so as to get more grant money and push their evil NWO agenda, so why are you shopping a scientific paper then? Does that mean tens of thousands of scientists are now as honest as the day is long or just 4-5 that you like? Over 100,000 papers on AGW, many based on observation data and instrumental records, and are all complete fabrications, conspiracy and lies except the ones you say aren’t. That is truly amazing how you can manage to pick out the “good” & “truthful” studies from the evil bad guy ones. Doubly amazing coming from someone who has almost no knowledge of the earth sciences. You are amazing hair clog and will go down in history as the saviour of western culture and the white race. I see a Nobel prize in your future – My Hero.
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 10:09 am
Gas production falling off despite increase in drilling
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/apr/29/gas-production-falling-off-despite-incr/?f=business
Maybe US coal might have a big come back after all?
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 10:14 am
Cloggie, wrong with the facts as usual. Poor dope smoking dutchy.
Never touched dope or cigarettes in my life, but facts are of no importance for this little brit (apparently I am Dutch after all, for joe, no evil sexy Nazi German.lol)
So joe found a Marxist climate journalist (but I repeat myself) named Graham Readfearn, who opposes Nature.com and has a different opinion? Who cares. Scientists couldn’t even get peak oil right. Climate is far more complex.
Do I deny climate change? No.
Global warming, sea level rise, glacier melting, polar ice shrinking, degrading bio diversity, over-population? Difficult to deny.
But do I give psycho’s like ApneaTurd carte blanche to paint the climate future in the bleakest terms possible? No either.
When our time has come, we will be the first to know. What we can do, like eliminating fossil fuel, should be done, will be done.
For the rest, we’ll see where the ship sinks.
Over 100,000 papers on AGW, many based on observation data and instrumental records, and are all complete fabrications, conspiracy and lies except the ones you say aren’t.
I’m sure that over the course of the 20th century, 100,000 papers were produced of how wonderful communism was. There is no end to the number of leftist losers like you with an opinion.
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 10:17 am
The White Genocide Conspiracy Theory And Why It’s Nonsense
“Like all conspiracy theories, it’s riddled with holes, flaws and a complete lack of evidence (not that it matters to true believers).”
” It’s not clear who is committing the genocide or why, although like most conspiracy theories, they mainly blame the Jews (and sometimes Feminists too). So, America was once 85% white, is now 63% white, so the theory is that this trend will continue until it is 0% white.”
“There is of course, absolutely no evidence for any of this and it’s all paranoid delusions. But I thought it might to useful to create a response to show just how nonsensical and false the claims are.”
https://whistlinginthewind.org/2017/05/04/the-white-genocide-conspiracy-theory-and-why-its-nonsense/
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 10:37 am
Clog, you essentially are a Euro flag waiver
I don’t have flags so I can’t wave them. But if I had I would wave them. What else do expect from me? Waving the US flag? Canadian flag? ISIS flag? Hammer & Sickle flag? Give me a f* break.
The point is: I take survival seriously. I’m Dutch, but that’s too small a survival unit, so you need geopolitical “buddies”, in my case neighboring European countries. Being part of the US empire is not good for survival, because it means that your country becomes flooded with not too bright hostile aliens, who think I owe them a living and that for the rest I should adhere to their Sharia. The only thing I really owe them is a well-aimed bullet, for the sake of future Dutch generations. Did I make myself clear?
Look, geopolitics is easy. Multiculturalism that’s good enough for Anglo countries. Europe, Russia and China are essentially fascist and have no talent for that, there is nothing you can do about, I’m sorry.
You have a distorted revised history that is based upon your historically embellished emotional attachments.
But nobody ever challenges my views, other than the occasional dope like Ghung. The point is Davy, you have nothing to say against them. Deep in your heart you them to be true. But you prefer to stick to the self-serving wisdom of the US empire as promoted by their media, because that suits you. As long as the US empire lasts. The reason I post them is to give folks a hunch of what is coming after the US empire.
You have become an extremist with an agenda much like a makati.
Wtf does that mean. Makati is a commie and 3rd world & China worshiper, where I am a Europe Firster. We couldn’t be more different. We both don’t like the US empire though and on a personal level I have absolutely no issues with him. Like most North-Americans he is a little tragic in that he has no country to call his own. Lost souls in a hostile world. At least ApneaTurd has his Kehila.
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 10:51 am
clogg it’s funny how you whine about christianity, a conjured up fantasy to soothe existential anxieties, when you do the same thing with dutch, german, euro nationalism.
The Invention of Nationalism
“Not many people realise that Nationalism is a relatively new phenomenon. Most think that it has a long history dating back centuries if not millennia. It’s common to hear modern people draw a connection between themselves and ancient people and nationalists often consider themselves following the footsteps of historic heroes”
“Yet not many realise that nationalism is a 19th century invention and that before that, there was no shared national identity linking people together. Before the Industrial Revolution, people only had loyalty to their family, their village and their lord, there was little concept of a nation. There wasn’t a common national culture, history or even language. But if people weren’t French, Irish, German etc, then what were they?”
“Until the 19th century, Italy and Germany were merely geographical locations and abstract ideas. ”
https://whistlinginthewind.org/2017/04/23/the-invention-of-nationalism/
One can see this fake historical adoption and exploitation of the past all over europe in the big memorials like statues of Vercingetorix (gallic) exploited by modern era french and the germans with the Cherusci war chief Arminius.
http://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/display-2399.jpg
http://static.gigapan.org/gigapans0/5330/images/5330-500×815.jpg
I would love to see those pagan chiefs and a bunch of their best warriors come back from the dead, fully armed, and lay an ass whooping on all the scum like clog for using them for their sick twisted little agendas.
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 11:08 am
clogg it’s funny how you whine about christianity, a conjured up fantasy to soothe existential anxieties, when you do the same thing with dutch, german, euro nationalism.
Christianity is a fake Jewish invention without any basis in reality. The Netherlands is a verifiable territory with people who speak a specific language. Does that mean that this country is the alpha and omega of everything. No. But it began to exist somewhere around the 13th century when Holland began to drift away from the German empire…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floris_V,_Count_of_Holland
…and gradually got its current shape more or less in the 16th century. So it has duration; it is not something you want to throw overboard just because some a*hole from Hongcouver says we should.
Btw: do you spout this anti-nationalist rubbish against that Israel of yours? Of course not, as you are the embodiment of hypocrisy and a scheming liar.
It is the same everywhere: your tribe enter a country with the aim to destroy it. Here for instance the story of Sweden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHvfBtwspPM
It is essentially the same story as to what happened to the US:
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf
Plain hooliganism and nothing else.
It is absolutely not a “conspiracy theory” but you can verify as to what happened.
I leave it to you as an exercise to figure out what the usual historic consequence is going to be of this behavior.
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 12:03 pm
Extreme Life Bacteria
There are diseases hidden in ice, and they are waking up
Long-dormant bacteria and viruses, trapped in ice and permafrost for centuries, are reviving as Earth’s climate warms
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170504-there-are-diseases-hidden-in-ice-and-they-are-waking-up
GregT on Thu, 4th May 2017 12:16 pm
“That’s what I said and you confirm: the environment CHANGES, from one type to another.”
Absolutely it does. From a naturally balanced ecosystem, to a human disrupted one. Much the same as what we are now doing to the Earth’s climatic systems. It took hundreds of thousands to millions of years for life as we know it on this planet to evolve. In less than 300 years we have completely upset that natural balance. Loss of biodiversity is one of the most pressing issues for the survival of our species.
The Loss of Diversity Causes and Consequences
“What then will happen if the current decimation of organic diversity continues?”
“As ecosystem services falter, mortality from respiratory and epidemic disease, natural disasters, and especially famine will lower life expectancies to the point where cancer (largely a disease of the elderly) will be unimportant. Humanity will bring upon itself consequences depressingly similar to those expected from a nuclear winter (Ehrlich, 1984). Barring a nuclear conflict, it appears that civilization will disappear some time before the end of the next century—not with a bang but a whimper.”
Copyright © 1988 by the National Academy of Sciences.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK219310/
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 12:22 pm
hair clog, where are all the bodies from this “genocide”? There are billions of smartphone cameras and video cameras in the world, so surely you must have some of theses killings documented. You know, like all the films and photos of Nazis shooting jews and other “undesirables” in the back of the head while standing on the edge of a recently dug mass grave back in the 1940’s. Do you have any writings from these killers? Something they have officially put on paper with words like “final solution” for the white people problem?
You are just a sad old man who wants attention and too feel important. Playing the victim is what you have latched on to as your strategy. Plenty of folks who have lived unremarkable lives and know it deep down do this. Your white supremacy and euro nationalism are just an attempt to conjure up meaning for a meaningless existence – some do drug, some make music, some have kids – many different strategies . You won’t be around much longer- the pain, fear, anger and suffering for you will be over then…..forever. In a way, I guess you are a victim, same as all humans who ever lived.
“For the rest of the earth’s organisms, existence is relatively uncomplicated. Their lives are about three things: survival, reproduction, death—and nothing else. But we know too much to content ourselves with surviving, reproducing, dying—and nothing else. We know we are alive and know we will die. We also know we will suffer during our lives before suffering—slowly or quickly—as we draw near to death. This is the knowledge we “enjoy” as the most intelligent organisms to gush from the womb of nature. And being so, we feel shortchanged if there is nothing else for us than to survive, reproduce, and die. We want there to be more to it than that, or to think there is. This is the tragedy: Consciousness has forced us into the paradoxical position of striving to be unself-conscious of what we are—hunks of spoiling flesh on disintegrating bones.”
― Thomas Ligotti, The Conspiracy Against the Human Race
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 12:30 pm
BREAKING: Florida drought escalates to “extreme” level
http://weatherplus.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2017/05/04/breaking-florida-drought-escalates-to-extreme-level/
Rainfall Fails to Stop Wildfire Near Georgia-Florida Line
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/georgia/articles/2017-05-02/rainfall-fails-to-stop-wildfire-near-georgia-florida-line
This Georgia wildfire may not be extinguished until November, official says
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/georgia-wildfire-may-not-extinguished-november-official-says/
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 12:44 pm
hair clog, where are all the bodies from this “genocide”? There are billions of smartphone cameras and video cameras in the world, so surely you must have some of theses killings documented
I never use the word genocide; dispossession yes, because outf*cked.
The only one who uses “genocide” is you. Already found a single name and proof for that holocaust of yours? Of course not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Ae8T0FmFg
Premeditated conclusion.
Wannsee Protokollen: not a single reference to extermination program.
https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/05/the-continuation-of-the-world-wars-by-other-means/
Thomas Dodd (#2 Nuremberg hierarchy) wrote to his wife:
“You know how I have despised anti-Semitism. You know how strongly I feel toward those who preach intolerance of any kind. With that knowledge — you will understand when I tell you that this staff is about seventy-five percent Jewish. Now my point is that the Jews should stay away from this trial — for their own sake.
So much for Nuremberg.
When the US empire falls Soviet style, all the lies will fall with it.
That’s the problem with these Turkoids from the stettls of the Ukraine. Their attitude is: “can we get away with it”. And every time again they will have to face the reality of Kharma. Won’t be different with the upcoming unravelling of the US empire. Vlad is standing by with his war archives.lol
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 1:42 pm
hair clog, unlike you and most of the rest of the talking monkeys, I do not care. Fuck the Dutch, fuck the Germans, Fuck the Americans and fuck the Canadians. I am not even a part of the delusional and suicidal society I reside in and do not give a shit. I pay the tax and do not break the major laws because I wish to be left alone while I watch the human cancer continue to reproduce reproduce reproduce and consume and infect the very host that sustains it. If I had the constitution I would off myself, but my inherent survival instinct is far too strong. Maybe later when the big time suffering start and it’s my turn? We’ll see. In the meantime I will continue to eat many dead animals and carry on with my enlightenment project and internet stylings. Did I mention fuck the Dutch?
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 1:53 pm
Putting lipstick on Hitler is pretty lame clog. I don’t trust most MS history but that doesn’t mean I am going to believe your revisions becuase they are not MS. We know what Hitler did from “obvious” history. The deeper circumstances are arguable the obvious is not. Lighten up or you will invalidate your message through extremism and truth corruption.
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 2:07 pm
Sail from Britain to Japan in 20 days thanks to global warming
‘Once just a dream of early explorers such as Roald Amundsen, an Arctic shipping route may soon become a reality’
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/arctic-sea-ice-melting-shipping-routes-china-japan-europe-north-america-a7718201.html
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 2:56 pm
”Idon’t trust most MS history but that doesn’t mean I am going to believe your revisions becuase they are not MS”
So the official story is wrong and my version is wrong.
But you are not giving me your vision, right Davy?
That’s too easy.
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 3:14 pm
Clog, you are the history preacher not me. Say something balanced and I will give you a thumbs up or down. I am a doomer. I preach doom. Yet, I am not going to sit by while you load up the bs especially when it is makatism of talking up Europe and down my country. Neither deserves praise but at least we are not as horrible as Asia where the numbers point to a huge die down.
DerHundistlos on Thu, 4th May 2017 3:35 pm
I have a question about hydroelectric power that I hope some person can answer.
To begin, I appreciate that hydro. is destructive to the environment as in the NW (these areas must be avoided); however, in those ecosystems where fish migration does not occur hydro. seems to be a good choice- for example, the Mississippi River. There are a few dams along the river as in Keokuk, Iowa, but why not build a chain of hydro. dams along the route say at intervals of every 10 or 20 miles. Yes, the natural occurring flood plain areas would be inundated, but these areas should not be developed nor occupied. The only reason this occurs is due to the federal government’s National Flood Insurance program. No insurance carrier in its right mind would provide insurance in zones that are guaranteed to flood at least once every 10 or 25 or 50 years.
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 3:43 pm
I think I am even more pro-American than you are, although it depends a little how one defines “America”.
After 5 years I still have no clear idea where your real loyalties are, probably because you haven’t made up your mind either and still are a “fence sitter”. But the time isn’t very far away that you will have to make up your mind…. because circumstances will force you to.