Trump says ‘nobody really knows’ if climate change is real

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Go Speed Racer on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 1:18 pm 



Thought his rhetoric would cool down, after he won the election. But just gets worse and worse. And puts the
CEO of Exxon in charge of foreign relations.
Can’t the electrical college give Trump the boot?

Midnight Oil on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 1:40 pm 



Seems Trump is just not listening to the those that are in the science profession to know!
Hey, this idea usually is effective… Defund
their budgets so they can no longer study and publish papers on it!
That’s the next item on the agenda

onlooker on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 1:42 pm 



Says who. A puppet spewing falsehoods on behalf of the powers that be . I would rather listen to a 6 year old. Or better yet trained scientists who beg to differ

Cloggie on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 2:19 pm 



Seems Trump is just not listening to the those that are in the science profession to know!

http://tinyurl.com/nwonskj

List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming

dissident on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 2:23 pm 



As long as he does not launch WWIII like was the dream of Hitlery (aka Killary), that is all I care about. Obummer was supposedly a believer in AGW, but did f*ck all about it. Given a choice between a lip-service for AGW warmonger like Killary and a denier non-warmonger like Trump, I will choose Trump.

GregT on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 2:56 pm 



“List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming”

I count a total of 64 on those lists. Sounds about right. Around 2%.

onlooker on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 3:03 pm 



Of those scientists almost all probably paid off haha

Anonymous on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 4:08 pm 



So, clogger is a denialist too. No wonder he takes alex jones says at his fat-faced value. I think I found the source of your love affair with the trumpster clog. HE is a unrepentant denialist, and Im now fairly certain *that* is why you keep pumping him up. His supposed ‘anti-globalist’ cred, is mostly in your imagination. His words and actions, even at this early stage, clearly show this. So that removes his non-existent anti-NWO stance from consideration, so what that makes the clogger admire him so much.

Now we know…

eugene on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 4:59 pm 



I would just like to see a picture of Trump with his mouth closed. Would indicate he is listening to somebody.

Davy on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 5:01 pm 



It doesn’t matter if Trump is a climate denialist on the level that matters and that is like anything will be done about climate change even if Trump was an ardent supporter of climate science. On another level it is a sad commentary on American leadership at the highest level if the POTUS is not acknowledging rock solid science.

Cloggie on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 5:11 pm 



So, clogger is a denialist too.

Not really, it is just that I don’t want to burn myself again, like with peak oil. There is a little bit too much group think going on at this site. There is a clear preference for sensationalist stories and tall tales, but at the same time there is zero “repentance” or reflection for the peak oil superstition blunders of the recent past.

And yes, I like to provoke a little.

When I joined this site almost exactly 5 years ago, the consensus was, which included me, that “catastrophic peak oil” was immanent.

Today the fossil fuel prices collapsed, compared to what they were at the time and traffic jams are longer than ever. What does that say about our capacity to accurately predict even the near future?

Rhetorical question.

Back to climate change:

What is undisputed is this:

http://tinyurl.com/h62grhz

Gradual increase of global temperature with 1 degrees Celsius over the past century.

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

[part 1]

Cloggie on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 5:12 pm 



Now a few questions:

1. is this natural fluctuation?
2. is there any connection with large scale burning of fossil fuel?
3. if there is a limited permanent temperature increase of 2 degrees, is that really just bad or are there also advantages?
4. NASA has been observed a rapid and spectacular increase of global vegetation (2X USA over the last 30 years). Is this positive?

Ad 1. No reliable temperature registration over many centuries exist. There is nevertheless a “reconstructed temperature”:

http://tinyurl.com/h66stop

Nobody claims that before 1800 there was any significant human induced climate change. If you look at the reconstructed temperature, you could very well keep the possibility open of “natural temperature variability”.

Ad 2. There is clearly a greenhouse effect. Earlier this year I bought a greenhouse, which I wouldn’t have done if I didn’t believe in the greenhouse effect. The idea is that increased CO2 in the atmosphere has a similar effect. However there are large scale political processes underway to halt further increase. The Americans are a little slow, but at some point their older and wiser brothers from Europe will certainly convince them that they should amend their behavior.lol For the rest, there is nothing more you can do about it. So be content with the CO2 induced climate change you will get. Perhaps we can afterwards take CO2 from the atmosphere by large-scale planting projects.

Ad 3. Higher temperatures mean less burning of fossil fuel for heating, a large part of the total energy budget. That’s good, right?

Ad 4. Most people instinctively prefer a forest over a desert. Some time ago there were worries about ongoing “desertification”. And now all of a sudden we have massive increase of vegetation, which is attributed to the increase of atmospheric CO2… CO2 as global “atmospheric fertilizer”. Should we perhaps burn more fossil fuel and have a nice spectacular green, albeit a little hot planet? But hey, isn’t it a progressive opinion to assert that we all originate from Africa? So why afraid of two degrees GW.

[part 2]

JuanP on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 5:28 pm 



I think it is already too late to do anything about climate change. We never really had a chance because it is a direct consequence of our human nature. The feedbacks we have activated will feed each other and the biosphere is fucked regardless of what we do in the present or the future. I am more concerned about avoiding nuclear war at this point. If Trump doesn’t start a nuclear war he is OK with me. Some things like overpopulation, climate change, and environmental destruction are inevitable, IMHO.

onlooker on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 5:35 pm 



What Clog, your getting your talking points from Exxon. To just address one of your points about increased vegetation. This is bogus because we will shoot right by tolerable temperature thresholds for most plant life. So at best this phenomenon will only be temporary. Your other points do not deign a rebuttal.

Anonymous on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 6:26 pm 



I have no interest in discussing denialist talking points. That isnt the issue. I had a hard time understand why you kept pumping up the donald as some kind of anti-NWO crusader in shining armor, when every action, besides some campaign speeches designed for public consumption, indicated these alleged anti-NWO sympathies, beliefs, whatever, are largely absent from the donalds mindset. Along with a a great many other things as well, but that’s another story…

The ‘point’ was, you dont admire the donald because he claims to be anti-FTA, or that he intends to reign in the uS war-machine, or the other nonsense about him you’ve been peddling about him non-stop.

No, what draws you to him, is his unapologetic anti AGW stance. You clearly feel most western politicians are ‘weak’ on this issue, and seem to have affinity for any public official, that adapts a denialist stance. And the more open, and higher positioned they are, the higher clogs approval rating.

Trump fits the bill perfectly for cloggy. The rest of his alleged anti-NWO comments? Meaningless verbiage basically, but clog is pretty sure the ‘donald’ is fairly sincere when it comes to his AGW denialism. And clog is likely correct, on that point at least. Look who he wants for SoS, a top tier globalist insider with a record of funding climate change denialism by default.

Again, this is what clogger finds so attractive about the donald. Not that he will ‘disband nato’ (lol), but that he is openly, and unapologetically, a AGW denialist of the 1st order. And one occupying a prominent, if largely symbolic position at that.

Apneaman on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 9:05 pm 



ClogO you are a stupid dutch cocksucker who knows nothing about AGW. There will be no planting sucking up any CO2. It’s the other way around. The carbon sinks have been cut down or killed by bug infestations. Like most you simply do not understand the scale of anything. You should just STFU about things you have no knowledge of.

land area needed to sequester CO2 by planting trees

“Question: What fraction of Earth’s land area would be needed to sequester the 50 ppm CO2 surplus we currently have in our atmosphere, 50 ppm above the upper safe limit of 350 ppm?”

“A – Seven times Earth’s land area would need to be in cultivation.”

http://jasonbox.net/area-needed-plant/

An expanding army of insects is eating away at U.S. forests

“How do non-native pests arrive in the U.S.?
The study points out that invasive insects gain entry into the country through two major pathways — the importation of plants and in wood packing material such as pallets and crates. “The primary driver of the invasive pest problem is globalization, which includes increased trade and travel,” said Andrew Liebhold, a Forest Service research entomologist in West Virginia. ”

“Liebhold says climate change is also playing a role in the spread of non-native and native insects. “As climates warm, species are able to survive and thrive in more northerly areas.”

“California’s drought crisis has caused wildfires, decimated forests, threatened animal species and deprived thousands of homes of access to clean water”

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/environment/an-expanding-army-of-insects-is-eating-away-at-usa-forests/article/481221#ixzz4SFhYOet6

Mountain pine beetles infest and ravage thousands of acres of forest lands, Landsat satellites show

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160719111123.htm

ClogO you have an answer for everything and it’s almost always some fantasy future fix. So and so is going to do this or one day in the future everyone will copy the tiny eurotard countries and do such and such and one day in the future we will invent a fleet of CO2 sucking vacuum planes and also some magical creatures are going to arrive one day and plant trillions of trees, therefore my hero worship of climate denier Trump & Co is rationalized and justified, since everything will be fixed up some day in the future. Just you wait and see. That’s what you do ClogO and it makes you look ridiculous and infantile. None of that shit is happening or going to happen because it costs too much. What is happening and will continue to happen is the humans will burn every fucking thing they can for more dopamine hits and then nature will drop a big fucking hammer on the humans heads, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, much fighting and then the humans will be gone. Personally I can’t wait. That’s why I was glad when Trump won and I am loving it that he is putting some of mericas biggest cancer kings and fucktards in positions that will push the humans over the edge even faster. And you poor poor eurotards will be invaded by hoards. It’s almost like Africa and the ME have been breeding an army of sea peoples the last 30 years. Y’all will spend more energy trying to stop them than on living. It will exhaust you and in the end they will prey upon Europe like locusts and then die too.

Apneaman on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 9:09 pm 



Humanity Is In The Existential Danger Zone, Study Confirms

“The Earth’s climate has always changed. All species eventually become extinct. But a new study has brought into sharp relief the fact that humans have, in the context of geological timescales, produced near instantaneous planetary-scale disruption. We are sowing the seeds of havoc on the Earth, it suggests, and the time is fast approaching when we will reap this harvest.”

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/humanity-existential-danger-zone-study-confirms/

Apneaman on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 9:17 pm 



Why Trees Won’t Save Us From Climate Change

http://www.newsweek.com/trees-wont-save-us-climate-change-north-america-global-warming-forests-482092

Amazon rainforest ability to soak up carbon dioxide is falling

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/amazon-rainforest-ability-soak-carbon-dioxide-falling

Destruction of the Amazon rainforest increased 30 per cent over the last year, Brazilian government reports

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/destruction-of-the-amazon-rainforest-increased-30-per-cent-over-the-last-year-brazilian-government-reports

Apneaman on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 9:30 pm 



Methane surge needs ‘urgent attention’

“Scientists say they are concerned at the rate at which methane in the atmosphere is now rising.

After a period of relative stagnation in the 2000s, the concentration of the gas has surged.

Methane (CH4) is a smaller component than carbon dioxide (CO2) but drives a more potent greenhouse effect.”

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38285300

Apneaman on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 9:50 pm 



Friday, 22 April 2011
Donald Trump: The Art of Bankruptcy

“By the time 2008 rolled around, Trump was an old hand in the art of bankruptcy. As noted by Doug Heller, the executive director of Consumer Watchdog, “Here’s a guy who’s failed so miserably so many times and it’s not as though he had to claw his way back after seven years in credit hell. He just said, ‘OK, this isn’t my problem anymore.’ For him, [bankruptcy has] just been a platform to the next money-making scheme.”

“The Donald continues to tell anyone within earshot of a microphone or a TV how great a businessman he is. All that can be seen from his history of bankruptcies and eminent domain “takings” is that he is nothing more than a great manipulator.”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/5764-donald-trump-the-art-of-bankruptcy

Apneaman on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 9:53 pm 



GUY McPHERSON ON GLOBAL DIMMING, NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, METHANE, AND ITS IMPACTS ON CIVILIZATION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JvrCDMtNnE

R1verat on Sun, 11th Dec 2016 11:06 pm 



Hear me now, believe me later. The Donald is impeached due to his ignorance. Pence is put in charge. Repubs get a party follower & all are happy! Yah hoo!

Davy on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 5:07 am 



Does politics even matter anymore? In the longer term it appears not. In the shorter term of course it does but only in how the chairs are rearranged and who gets privilege. It probably matters as far as cold and hot wars. In the longer term with financial, climate change, and energy depletion induced collapse situations no man or men will make a difference.

I may be ass backwards but I see some good coming out of Trump from his likely use of trade war policy and Russian détente. If he saves us from NUK war then nothing else matters. I hope Trump policy initiates a crisis in the global economics. That crisis may get us to make some better choices through adversity. There is likely nothing that will save us longer term but shorter term if we are pushing into a sobriety from a crisis we may start walking away from bad attitudes and lifestyles at the societal level. There is so much we can do to buy some time. There are still many steps we can take to improve our lives in preparation for a time of collapse. We can lower suffering for many people with these steps. For me that is our only hope and that is a “hospice of crisis”. There will be no happy ending but there can be some compassion and empathy.

This may be wishful thinking because it may also be the case once a collapse crisis sets in the speed of this process could accelerate so quickly there will be little time for attitude adjustments. My hope is in crisis because there is only real change when man is confronted with crisis and the real choices that come from facing adversity so I would take that chance. People rarely change their routine unless there is a need. It takes a lot of effort. We need to adapt to less. We need to increase our local investments. We need to think about the basics of food and shelter. This of course can and should be done at the personal level now while we are not in crisis. My thoughts are we may find a period where society may enter this paradigm shift also. At the societal level policy will never go there unless forced to.

The collapse of civilizations follow a process that is well documented. The problem with our current civilization for collapse reflection is it is global and hyper complex. There are no good references and that makes for poor planning prospects. It is also the case that if one location makes an effort it will surely have consequences on others. For example let’s assume the US should localize and embrace food changes like seasonality, local choices, and less process foods by leaving industrial agriculture practices. If this lowers food production other nations will suffer. If we import less other nations will see economic decline. This global collapse will be different and likely deadly with so much overshoot at so many levels. I would still choose crisis as an option to improve things. There is paradoxical qualities to inducing crisis to make things better. I feel we are in a time of existential traps and this time requires paradoxical thinking.

Sissyfuss on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 8:55 am 



It has been said that you cannot have both a healthy environment and a robust economy. We have elected a businessman, albeit a fool filled with bluster, and there should be no illusion as to what direction his actions will take us in. It will not be towards the lost cause of sustainability.

Ghung on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 9:48 am 



You Trump supporters look more idiotic every time this buffoon opens his mouth. Insanity rules, and the inmates are, indeed, now in charge of the asylum.

Cloggie on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 10:06 am 



NWO dictionary

Buffoon – somebody not interested in WW3

GregT on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 10:47 am 



The inmates have been in charge of the asylum for a very long time Ghung. Trump is just another inmate, from a different wing, of the same asylum.

Davy on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 10:51 am 



Sure Ghung like Hillary’s backroom nastiness smelled of perfume. I guess you missed the obvious fact the two faced insanely corrupted liberal establishment is not a complete disaster. Nothing like politically correct on stage and then stab them in the back when they turn their heads. I have never been as sick of a group of people as the later stages of the corruption of the Democrats. The stupid delusional snowflakes got what they deserve. Trump is an embarrassment and will likely fail but that is what we deserve for allowing such failures as we had with Obama and Hillary. Forgot to mention Hillary was getting all pumped up about going to war with Russia, you know, because she wanted her psychopathic revenge for Putin crossing her. Thanks for the advice but no thanks. Here is my advice to you “pick your poison” and live with it.

penury on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 10:54 am 



I have not a clue if (Climate Change)is real. But all I can say is that we had roses blooming in December this year, The first frost date historically is middle Sep. Ornamental trees are coming into bloom (10 Dec) Different species of birds are showing up at bird feeders around the area. Look around the flora and fauna are changing. World temps are up. Follow the articles Apenaman posts and draw your own conclusions.Denial is always an option for yourself ,

GregT on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 11:09 am 



There is no debate over whether climate change is real or not penury. There are still some, however, who deny that it is being caused by us humans burning everything we can find that is flammable.

oracle on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 11:49 am 



https://xkcd.com/1732/

Scroll all the way to the bottom, reading along the way.

Cloggie on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 11:54 am 



There is no debate that global temperatures are up.

There is a debate about the causes. CO2 could very well be the main reason.

But one giant fact stands unchallenged:

massive climate change is part of the history of this planet, without any human influence.

#IceAges

The idea that this planet is a heaven designed by some sky daddy and optimized for human habitation and that these human evil-doers f* it all up, might be a very Christian idea, linking to sin and guilt, but it is plain wrong and naive.

So we have 1 degrees temperature increase over 100 years. So what? Is that bad? Why? If CO2 is the cause and not some minor output fluctuation by that giant fusion reactor aka the sun: we seem to have agreed on phasing out fossil over the coming 30 years. That could cause another 1 degree temperature increase. Too bad. Nothing we can do about it.

I have not a clue if (Climate Change)is real. But all I can say is that we had roses blooming in December this year

In the tropics you can grow anything around the year. So the place you are living is gradually becoming a little more tropical.

What are you going to do about it?

Dredd on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 12:06 pm 



So is he going to appoint ‘nobody’ to the Environmental Degradation Agency?

GregT on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 12:17 pm 



“massive climate change is part of the history of this planet, without any human influence”

True, but now it is the unprecedented rate of change that is the problem. The Earth’s ecosystems are all in a rapid state of decline, when compared with past changes in the climate. The changes are now occurring much faster than the biosphere can adapt.

“What are you going to do about it?”

In all likelihood, is is too late to do anything about it now. That does not mean that we shouldn’t try.

Dredd on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 12:19 pm 



“Trump says ‘nobody really knows’ if climate change is real”

The U.S. Supreme Court had a different opinion, and it trumps since it is the supreme law of the land:

“Based on respected scientific opinion that a well-documented rise in global temperatures and attendant climatological and environmental changes have resulted from a significant increase in the atmospheric concentration of “greenhouse gases,” a group of private organizations petitioned the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to begin regulating the emissions of four such gases, including carbon dioxide, under §202(a)(1) of the Clean Air Act, which requires that the EPA “shall by regulation prescribe . . . standards applicable to the emission of any air pollutant from any class . . . of new motor vehicles . . . which in [the EPA Administrator’s] judgment cause[s], or contribute[s] to, air pollution . . . reasonably . . . anticipated to endanger public health or welfare,” 42 U. S. C. §7521(a)(1). The Act defines “air pollutant” to include “any air pollution agent . . . , including any physical, chemical . . . substance . . . emitted into . . . the ambient air.” §7602(g). EPA ultimately denied the petition, reasoning that (1) the Act does not authorize it to issue mandatory regulations to address global climate change, and (2) even if it had the authority to set greenhouse gas emission standards, it would have been unwise to do so at that time because a causal link between greenhouse gases and the increase in global surface air temperatures was not unequivocally established.
…
Massachusetts and other state and local governments, sought review in the D. C. Circuit [… which held…] that the EPA Administrator properly exercised his discretion in denying the rulemaking petition.
…
[Supreme Court Conclusion:] The judgment of the Court of Appeals is reversed, and the case is remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.”

(Global Warming Induced Climate Change Is A Matter of Law – 2).

Trump is a scofflaw.

Cloggie on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 1:12 pm 



In all likelihood, is is too late to do anything about it now. That does not mean that we shouldn’t try.

Second largest oil producer Royal Dutch Shell crossed the Rubicon and will build two wind parks in the North sea, Borsele III & IV, for the coast of Zeeland province:

http://www.offshorewind.biz/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Borssele-12-Worlds-Cheapest-Offshore-Wind-Farm.jpg

The Danish company Dong was earlier awarded with Borssele 1 & 2.

Shell offered to do the job for surprisingly little money. Wind is getting cheaper and cheaper.

All wind parks should be operational before 2023. After 2023 the rate of implementation of new wind parks will greatly increase and eventually most of the Dutch North Sea will be one giant wind park.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV9PykR5bHo
The creation of the foundation of a so-called monopile can be carried out within a single day.

Shell is rapidly becoming a renewable energy company and could contribute in a large way to make the transition from natural gas to geothermal energy work.

Ghung on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 1:16 pm 



Davy said “Sure Ghung like Hillary’s backroom nastiness smelled of perfume. I guess you missed the obvious fact the two faced insanely corrupted liberal establishment is not a complete disaster….”

I didn’t miss a thing, and stand behind what I said above. How you choose to rationalize these things is your business.

Davy on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 1:22 pm 



Dito Ghung on rationalizing.

Apneaman on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 1:26 pm 



ClogO, How many fucking times do you need to be shown? Since I have shown you numerous times the flaws in your thinking and you still haul out the same denier crap that makes you a yellow bellied cocksucker – you have plenty of company.

Previous mass extinctions were triggered by global warming due to massive releases of CO2 due to volcanisim. It started a domino effect of physics and chemistry that killed.

Today we have a too clever tool making ape standing in for the volcanic. Digging up the carbon juices and burning it at a rate far far faster than any volcanic traps ever did and it’s biologically impossible for most species to adjust to their new environments. Of course AGW is but one nail in the coffin of the once stable life giving biosphere. Ape over breeding and their locust like behavior are at the root. AGW is one of a number of existential consequences – ocean acidification being another one.

“Another link between CO2 and mass extinctions of species
Mass extinctions due to rapidly escalating levels of CO2 are recorded since as long as 580 million years ago. As our anthropogenic global emissions of CO2 are rising, at a rate for which no precedence is known from the geological record with the exception of asteroid impacts, another wave of extinctions is unfolding.”

http://theconversation.com/another-link-between-co2-and-mass-extinctions-of-species-12906

“For years the cause of the Permian Mass Extinction has been linked to massive volcanic eruptions in Siberia. Volcanic CO2 and a cocktail of noxious gasses combined with burning coal and geothermally-baked methane emissions to enact a combination of toxic effects and, most importantly, ocean acidification and global warming.”

“Climate and CO2 have changed hand-in-hand through most of geological time. Mostly these changes happened slowly enough that the long-term feedbacks of Earth’s climate system had time to process them.”

https://skepticalscience.com/Lee-commentary-on-Burgess-et-al-PNAS-Permian-Dating.html

No time for life to process now. The humans have triggered abrupt run away climate change and a mass extinction and they will be going before this century is out.

Great Dying 252 million years ago coincided with CO2 build-up

http://earthsky.org/earth/great-dying-252-million-years-ago-concided-with-co2-build-up

You play the Joseph Gobbles game of repeating some version of “climate always changes” the rest of your pitiful life and it changes nothing. AGW is a scientific fact and it will destroy civilization and crank up the speed of the current mass extinction. The only thing the humans can do is bring on the end faster by doing more of the same, which they will.

Davy on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 1:29 pm 



What we should be trying is not to stop something we can’t stop but to adapt to it. There are many adaptation strategies that dovetail with current climate change action but there are also many poor strategies. The problem with the current climate change action is it is unrealistic with desired result so there are poor investments being promoted. Considering we are running out of time and money from a broad spectrum of problems we better start spending and investing wisely now. We do not have the luxury of conquering a long shot.

Apneaman on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 1:36 pm 



Ocean acidification is largely ignored. Probably because it is too hard to politicize, but it is part and parcel with the carbon burning cancer apes. Another huge CO2 nail.

Ocean of Acid Blamed for Earth’s ‘Great Dying’

http://www.livescience.com/50440-ocean-acidification-killer-permian-extinction.htmlacidification


Ocean acidification from CO2 blamed for world’s worst mass extinction
CO2 spewed from colossal volcanic eruptions in Siberia 252 million years ago

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/ocean-acidification-from-co2-blamed-for-world-s-worst-mass-extinction-1.3027938

According to the fossil record, dominate/apex species do not survive mass extinctions nor does anything weighing over 99lbs.

Ocean acidification always changes….duh

Apneaman on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 1:48 pm 



ClogO, I have been listening to techno fix cheerleaders for over 20 years and I do not see any results. Sure there have been strides in so called renewable and that will improve the local air quality, but I do my measuring by the big metrics and they continue to climb years after year, yet the cheer leading only gets louder in spite of the fact that there is no evidence to support the claims that it has made one bit of, big picture, difference. It appears the humans think they can aspire and cheer they way out of their predicament. There is a very good reason why the scientists warned about taking immediate action 3 decades ago. It’s called positive self reinforcing feed back – AKA vicious circle. Now there are dozens of them underway and most cannot be stopped. It was unlikely that any warning would have stopped clever apes with abstract, insatiable, hyper reward seeking brains. Human doom was written when their brains took the big cognitive leap. So it can’t be avoided, but what an ugly disgusting civilization they created that I must endure until I go. Puke. The most probable scenario is that denier brain authoritarianism will come to power and bring on the end as fast as possible. If it ends in nuke war it would not surprise me one bit. Trump and his crew are made of the same stuff as Hillary and hers, and the neocons, who haven’t gone anywhere BTW.

Apneaman on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 2:07 pm 



I found the Audio book version of the book I just finished on human denial, so here it is for the brave few who seek the truth of our tragic species.

Denial: Self-Deception, False Beliefs, and the Origins of the Human Mind By Ajit Varki, Danny Brower

“The history of science abounds with momentous theories that disrupted conventional wisdom and yet were eventually proven true. Ajit Varki and Danny Brower’s “Mind over Reality” theory is poised to be one such idea-a concept that runs counter to commonly-held notions about human evolution but that may hold the key to understanding why humans evolved as we did, leaving all other related species far behind.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8P5cekzg60

Apneaman on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 3:18 pm 



The cancer industry seems to know that AGW is real. They need to know to keep the cancer going.

As the Arctic warms, the oil industry adapts to sustain ice-road season in Alaska

“.. and an unmistakable irony, with the oil industry working to expand the winter season for finding the petroleum that contributes to more climate-warming, greenhouse-gas emissions that shrink the season.”

https://www.adn.com/business-economy/energy/2016/12/11/as-temperatures-warm-oil-industry-adapts-to-sustain-alaska-ice-road-seasons/

Apneaman on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 3:30 pm 



Shrinking mountain glaciers are ‘categorical evidence’ of climate change, scientists say

“From the rapidly melting Greenland ice sheet to increasing instability of West Antarctica, the world’s glaciers have become the dramatic face of climate change. But while ice loss at the poles often garners the most attention (thanks to its hefty potential contributions to global sea-level rise), other smaller glaciers all over the world are also steadily shrinking — and scientists say they constitute some of the clearest signals of climate change on the planet.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/12/shrinking-mountain-glaciers-are-categorical-evidence-of-climate-change-scientists-say/?utm_term=.5590c22798fd

Before-and-After Glacier Photos Show Devastating Climate Change Effects

https://weather.com/science/environment/news/glaciers-then-and-now

Glaciers always shrink…..duh

Nobody really knows if dem glaciers is meltin….duh

Apneaman on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 4:02 pm 



As North Pole Melts in November, Wildfires Rage Across US Well Into Winter
Monday, 12 December 2016

“During a time when winter usually sets in and the Arctic sea ice freezes up, ice has been melting instead of freezing. Temperatures in late November were akin to what they normally are at the end of August.”

“Bob Henson with the WeatherUnderground said, “There are weather and climate records, and then there are truly exceptional events that leave all others in the dust. Such has been the case across Earth’s high latitudes during this last quarter of 2016.”

For perspective, add 36 degrees to whatever your weather is right now, wherever you are. How normal is that? Think about how plants and animals in your area would or wouldn’t adapt to that. What would happen to your food and water supply?”

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/38689-as-north-pole-melts-in-november-wildfires-rage-across-us-well-into-winter

The North Pole always Melts in November and Wildfires always Rage Across US Well Into Winter…duh

Apneaman on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 4:15 pm 



Since y’all still need to live in these endtimes, ask yourself who is profiting and who is paying for it? The club members are profiting and you non club members are paying.

FEMA’s Director Wants Capitalism to Protect Us From Climate Change

“In January, Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator Craig Fugate gave states a choice for dealing with climate change. Option A: Do nothing about the rising toll of extreme weather, and hope Congress’s threats to restrict disaster aid — by raising the damage threshold required to receive that aid — never come to pass. Option B was more interesting.”

FEMA suggested what it called a disaster deductible: State governments would be on the hook for some of the cost of cleaning up after hurricanes, floods and other calamities. But they could lower that deductible by taking steps to reduce their exposure — for example, by passing tougher building codes.

States balked. But as climate change puts more property at risk, the pressure to reform federal disaster policy will only increase. Fugate spoke with me last week about social welfare for developers, the futility of regulating where people can build, and why this issue won’t go away once Republicans are in charge. Our exchange has been condensed and lightly edited.”

“The problem with that is, it seems that we’re rebuilding the same things over and over again without substantially changing the outcome. Why?”

“If they’re not looking at what that means as far as future stability in their tax base, future risk, a lot of times we get short-term development that is sold on the idea of jobs and growing the tax base — but also transferring more risk to the taxpayer.”

“The problem is, we’re subsidizing risk that allows that.”

“Why is that so hard to change?

Because we won’t call people out and say they’re socialists.

Who’s socialist?

The builders and developers and all the people running around saying they’re capitalists and they’re Republicans and they’re conservatives, and it’s all about individual freedoms and making money and growing the tax base, and all the bullshit they throw at people, convincing them this is an economic boon activity. It’s nothing but socialism and social welfare for developers when you subsidize risk below which the public gets a benefit from. They’ve got to be called out.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-12-12/fema-s-director-wants-capitalism-to-protect-us-from-climate-change

Surely, multiple bankrupt developer Trump will never let the scumbags profit while you have you pick up the tab for the next record breaking rain bomb or town burning mega fire. Nope TrumpO is all about protecting the little guy. Move from the most vulnerable areas while you can still get value for your property, because unlike the big club members you are not eligible for a free taxpayer bailout.

Apneaman on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 4:41 pm 



The middle of December and it’s still wild fire season in the SE. A double whammy. 1, that it’s happening. 2, how so many have normalized it -not normal. How long until wildfire season is 365 days long? The humans will normalize that too I imagine. Two towns burnt down in N America within 6 months of each other under tinder dry conditions and yet the denial continues.

PHOTOS: Wildfire burns along the bank of the Tennessee River Sunday

http://whnt.com/2016/12/11/photos-wildfire-burns-along-the-bank-of-the-tennessee-river-in-colbert-county/

Wildfire season always peaks in mid December…duh

Entire towns always burn down and need a mass evacuation……duh

Cloggie on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 4:49 pm 



https://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/the-worst-wild-fires-in-world-history

The single worst wild fire in U.S. history, in both size and fatalities, is known as the Great Peshtigo Fire which burned 3.8 million acres (5,938 square miles) and killed at least 1,500 in northern Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan during the week of October 8-14, 1871. Many sources put the size of the fire at 1.2-1.5 million acres but that included only the area that was completely burned and not the additional 2.3 million acres in surrounding counties that also suffered burn damage (see maps below).

You are full of shit Friday.
What else is new.

Apneaman on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 7:00 pm 



ClogO, first off October 8 – 14 is not the end of November and So fucking what? Anyone can pull up a single instance of a single disaster and leave it at that – no context. What are you trying to say? Why don’t you come out and in plain speak say it instead of your sneaky implying games?

We are not dealing with a single fire. We are dealing with many dozens of fires. We are also dealing with drought.

You know there is a big fucking difference in today’s technology, early warning system and fire fighting resources and methods as compared to 1871. How fucking lame can you get. Why not throw up a link about the great fire of Rome? Retard.

The US SE has been in serious drought for 9 months now and the fires are unrepresented for the time of year in that region.

What am I supposed to be full of shit about old dutch? Again you won’t say it and continue to play the implying by links game.

Around 40% of the US is in drought including the NE and it’s mid December.

Take a good long look asshole.

United States Drought Monitor

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/


U.S. Drought Monitor Southeast


http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/Home/RegionalDroughtMonitor.aspx?southeast

From Nov 11h and shit is still burning.

Forest fires burn 119,000 acres in 8 Southeastern states

“More than 6,300 firefighters, some from as far as Alaska, are fighting fires that range from just a few acres to one in the Cohutta Wilderness in northern Georgia that has burned 27,000. That fire has burned more than a month and is just 20 percent contained.

A total of 74 aircraft, including Black Hawk helicopters and BAE tanker jets, have been used.”

“Rondeau said there have been 50 major fires – fires that burn more than 100 acres.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/11/20/forest-fires-burn-119000-acres-8-southeastern-states/94169774/

Ok ClogO, did you see what I just did? Take a good look at my well presented argument that includes plenty of evidence and CONTEXT. Notice how I have shown a indisputable pattern of AGW jacked drought followed by numerous wildfires over a large area? Notice how I also included a quote demonstrating the difference in resources and technology and man power techno industrial society posses to attack these fires compared to the bucket brigades of 1871? The point being that given the obscene amount of resources like “6,300 firefighters” & “A total of 74 aircraft, including Black Hawk helicopters and BAE tanker jets,” it is still an ongoing nightmare and they cannot prevent entire towns from burning down and many other structures all over the SE. It’s called being in over your head and this is the very thing that was predicted to happen over 30 years ago if the humans did not stop. They did not and it’s happening. A bunch of other consequences that the humans were warned about are also happening and costing big time. That is one hell of a barrel full of coincidences eh? I thought y’all’s Alex Jones Jr detectives did not believe in coincidences?