Trump Gives Green Light To Keystone, Dakota Access Pipelines

40 Comments on "Trump Gives Green Light To Keystone, Dakota Access Pipelines"

Midnight Oil on Tue, 24th Jan 2017 8:36 pm 



The only consolation I have about this is Trump has an extended family tree that will suffer the same consequences of burning the Alberta Tar Sands….death ..the great equalizer.
Trump is an old geezer… He don’t give 2 shts what happens 20 years from now.

kenxxx3000 on Tue, 24th Jan 2017 8:59 pm 



Let those injun fuck retards drown in oil. Damn anglos never finish the job.

makati1 on Tue, 24th Jan 2017 9:07 pm 



No surprise here. The U$ is destroying its ability to support itself in so many ways and faster and faster.

Zoidberg on Tue, 24th Jan 2017 9:16 pm 



The Trump train has left the station! Next stop greatness! Choo choo!

dave thompson on Tue, 24th Jan 2017 10:19 pm 



The only down side is that tar sands oil is not profitable these days at $52 per bbls US.

Sissyfuss on Tue, 24th Jan 2017 10:43 pm 



I am sorry to inform you but your cancer has taken a really bad turn for the worse.

joe on Tue, 24th Jan 2017 10:51 pm 



Easy win for Trump. The pipeline wont be built for years due to local actions and he can say how great he is. Meanwhile Saudi wants to overcharge the world for oil, there is a YUGE oppertunity to undercut them with cheaper lower quality oil. Bumpy plateau.

makati1 on Tue, 24th Jan 2017 11:01 pm 



joe, that lower quality oil has to have a refinery to refine it. Not all refineries are created equal. And, most importantly, it has to be profitable.

GregT on Tue, 24th Jan 2017 11:41 pm 



“Trump proclaimed himself an environmentalist, but added, “It’s out of control, and we’re going to make a very short process”

I wonder if he was talking about runaway climate change and global mass extinction? Being the religious man that he is, maybe he’s trying to speed up the return of Jesus, and God’s kingdom on Earth.

rockman on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 12:43 am 



It continues to amaze me: all the opinions about oil sands imports and the pressumed significance of the border crossing section of the northern leg of KXL and so little understanding of the reality of the situation. We’ll go with NKXL as well as SKXL for the completed souther section of KXL from OK to the Gulf Coast refineries for the sake of brevity.

First, above all else, the lack of NKXL has not prevented 1 bbl of oil from crossing the border. As production increased some of the 6 EXISTING IMPORT PIPELINES had their capacity increased. That effort was accomplished with permit approvals from President Obama’s agencies which was given almost no coverage by MSM.

Second, rail shipments boomed and filled the gap while pipelines were expanded. One significant expansion was connecting the Keystone Pipeline (yes, another pipeline different the NKXL) to the system running to Cushing, OK. The US govt approved the border crossing permit in 2008 and it became operational in 2010. By upgrading the Keystone Pipeline around 2013 its capacity was increased to 600,000 bopd…the proposed capacity of NKXL.

But that capacity couldn’t be met initially because there wasn’t sufficient pipeline capacity to move oil sands imports from Cushing to Gulf Coast refineries. As a result Canadian companies got reduced prices as a result of saturating mid-continent refineries. That impeded expansion of new oil sands fields.

But that bottleneck was eliminated by the completion of the SKXL Pipeline. President Obama, in a televised speech, stood in the construction yard of SKXL and explained its completion was vital to the US economy and instructed all of his govt departments to do whatever they could to expedite its completion. The SKXL and two additional pipelines allowed the Cushing backlog to make it to Texas refineries.

Ultimately the SKXL and the rest of the import infrastructure allowed Canadian oil imports to reach its peak of 127 million bbls in Jan 2016 according to the EIA. As a result of lower oil prices imports have decreased since then by 10% to 15%. IOW in addition to what excess import capacity there was a year ago it’s at least 10% higher today.

Which obviously begs the question: will the NKXL be built now? And I suspect many don’t realize that by President Trump pushing for the completion of the Dakota Access pipeline he’s killed a portion of the incentive to build NKXL. Look at the above map: the Keystone Pipeline could haul oil out of N Dakota but didn’t have the capacity because of all the Alberta oil it carried. Part of the economic justification of NKXL was to free up capacity on the Keystone Pipeline. As a result of the delay in approving the NKXL segment an alternative pipeline to haul ND was designed.

And guess what’s the f*cking the name of that pipeline being built because NKXL wasn’t built: DAKOTA ACCESS. Too bad the map above didn’t include the Dakota Access:

http://www.voanews.com/a/dakota-access-pipeline/3563592.html

Notice it roughly parallels the Keystone Pipeline at least through the Dakotas. But why the f*ck does it veer off to Illinois if they want to get to Texas? Easy answer: because it will connect to a new pipeline (Flanagan South) from Illinois to Cushing. An existing pipeline carries oil sands production from the expansion (permitted by President Obama) of a border crossing pipeline in the far eastern corner of ND that hauled that oil to Illinois to its new tie to Flanagan South.

So how the f*ck did that oil sands production go that way? Easy answer again: expansion of the Alberta Clipper pipeline from Alberta to the US border. Here’s a map that should help visualize the FACT that not approving the border crossing section of the Keystone XL Pipeline had ZERO IMPACT on importing oil sands production into the US.

http://rockrivertimes.com/2015/03/19/energy-east-pipeline-canadas-keystone-causes-concern/

Again just amazing how many were so naive to think that with hundreds of $BILLIONS at stake and the US being one of the largest oil importers in the world that the lack of one little piece of paper was going to cripple the dynamic. But the picture just painted shouldn’t be a surprise to those that read the Rockman’s posts on the subject which began years ago. The greatest irony: all the time when environmentalists were bragging about saving the world from the “dirtiest oil on the planet” by convincing President Obama to not sign the permit it provided excellent cover for increasing oil sands imports. Time after time the MSM called it a great victory for the environmentalist. I wonder if the Standing Rock tribe would agree.

rockman on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 12:52 am 



Greg – “Trump proclaimed himself an environmentalist”. You mean similar to the claims that President Obama was the “greenest” POTUS in history? Time will tell but I seriously doubt that President Trump will be able to match the number of wells frac’d, increased US oil production or the peak import of oil sands production that occurred on President Obama’s watch. Of course it’s also very unlikely any future POTUS see as much oil spilled in US waters as President Obama witnessed.

Nony on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 1:40 am 



Way to go. We need infrastructure. Differential prices for the Bakken and sands are huge. Need to get more competition in for the Rockman. 🙂

Cloggie on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 3:04 am 



Has Chief Blackfoot already issued a protest by blocking the projected pipeline route with his SUV?

joe on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 3:49 am 



Mak. I happen to be certain a great settlement of middle eastern maps is coming, that means war like we haven’t seen since Germany-v-Russia, the worlds greatest oil war. That means that allot of oil will be out of action and Europe will go down in flames, again. Some will call it WW3 but its not gonna be. Basically the Zionist far right will not be happy until its future is secure, and the more land they steal (yes it is stealing) then the less secure they are in the long run and the more war is required. Energy certainty will decide the war, just like 1939-45. Just like ‘WW2’ middle eastern nations will be the focus of the map and the battles will be peripheral to it (North Africa, Caucases, India/Burma, Europe). A new element will however emerge that did not exist then, the continuation of the Sunni/Shia thousand year old conflict. In age of the internet we think the world is so integrated and strong, but that’s an illusion, the www can be taken down physically and entire migrant communities can be totally isolated and exposed and nobody will know or care what happens to them. Trump can sign pipline deals all day, but oily reality is that America first means energy security first and will happen even if the oil was the worst quality in the world. Trump and the ENTIRE establishment don’t care if an ipad is US made and has to cost $10,000, if they have to get their orders from the UN and China, sorry dude, the times they are a-changin.

makati1 on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 6:00 am 



joe, You seem to have it all planned out.

But you are not correct. The U$ is in for a huge awakening and “America First” is not going to happen. America, the 3rd world, banana republic, fascist, police state is already under way. The collapse is happening in America now. You are just not looking or in denial. Typical American. LMAO

Hubert on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 6:02 am 



STANDING ROCK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4T3C6_Hneo

Davy on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 6:52 am 



Thanks Rock, most of the comments above are just howling and whining but you give actual intelligence on the reality of what is already a reality. Does it really matter about oil sands and frac’d oil? No, if we continue to live the way we do and consider it non-negotiable what is the point? If we continue to believe in techno optimism and think we can leave fossil fuels it is a joke. Protestors are idiots because they want their cake of being green and eat it by living dirty to become green. These delusional and anti-business greens think we can have a different world just by eliminating oil sands and coal. Some of these so called delusional greens drive hundreds of miles to protest a pipeline to be green in their non-negotiable auto. I am all for protecting tribal lands but even that is a joke because some of this protest is just about more cash from the white man for the red man’s lands.

When you dumbasses change your lives and really become green I will bow before you. This shit does doesn’t add up and is really just more tragic comedy of modern man in the techno green variety. In the meantime I will laugh at you because you are more deceived then those you hate. Modern life is so far down the rabbit hole of fantasy it is madness. The reality of what is going on is simple the results of the debate are the complexity of insanity. Have you ever tried to figure out insanity? Right, you can’t because it is the turbulence of knowledge and there are no equations or models for turbulence or insanity.

Cloggie on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 10:29 am 



Trump persiflage from the globalist Dutch media:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc

English subs and later voice.

Cloggie on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 10:59 am 



In 2011 Trump was already “tempted to run”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gGIu9tj7IA

efarmer on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 11:18 am 



Great Orange Chief go snake and break with Great Brown Chief. Medicine man say it is curse of Mar-a-Lago but I say it is just same old poison money trick.

Jerome Purtzer on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 2:16 pm 



Hey Davy, I think you hit the insane nail on the head. The old AA saying seems to fit. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over always expecting a different result. People probably won’t change until they are extremely uncomfortable or hit bottom and then it is usually too late.

Anonymous on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 2:50 pm 



LoL. Shillary would have approved the tar-sands pipeline as well, but hollyjewood and the ‘liberal left’ would have forgiven her. (Cause you know, shes a wyman and all).

And there goes rocky again, acting as if the ‘president’ has some kind of independent authority, or will, even, of uS oil interests. the trump will green-light anything with the word oil, or tar in it, jusst like he said he would, and just like his predecessor did. ‘Obombers foot-dragging on the tar-sands had less to do with his green convictions, and a lot more to do with his fear of widespread protests over its construction on his watch. Obomber also knew if he approved it, it would look ‘bad’ for his legacy. He was also well aware whoever succeed him was going to approve it, so it was a good tactical move (for his image) to delay it, knowing full well someone else could deal with both the protests and the black mark on their records. trump is perfect on this score, since he not the type to dwell on the future, or how it will judge him. Whereas , shillary for example, would have approved it with a dis-information campaign and lots of bureaucratic obfuscation already prepared.

Quite making such a big deal out of nothing rockerman.

rockman on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 2:53 pm 



Davy – You’re welcome. Like the vast majority of the US oil patch I wish that we had never imported a single bbl of Canadian oil. But often when I explain the details of the dynamics at play I’m accused of being a proponent of the process.

Apneaman on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 4:40 pm 



Two great Cancers united as one in a bid to infect and consume all that remains.

Trudeau welcomes Trump’s Keystone XL decision

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-cabinet-keystone-xl-1.3949754

Apneaman on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 5:01 pm 



“O’er the land of the free…”

Trump administration seeks to muzzle U.S. agency employees

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15822X

All you Cheeto tweeter fan boys need to remember that the fascist authoritarian policies apply to you and yours too. What you think because you voted for him you will get special treatment? Get fucking real. If you’re not in the club you get no special privileges. You’re just one more useful idiot as far as Cheeto and his cancer crew are concerned.

Apneaman on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 5:08 pm 



A cancer only knows one thing – MORE. So it’s time to exploit the only remaining healthy tissue left in the land.

Congress moves to give away national lands, discounting billions in revenue
Though recreation on public lands creates $646bn in economic stimulus and 6.1m jobs, Republicans are setting in motion a giveaway of Americans’ birthright

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/19/bureau-land-management-federal-lease

Trump taps well of protest with calls for more drilling in national parks

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-energy-nationalparks-idUSKBN14V1EP

The human cancer reminds me of pacman, mindlessly consuming everything with no real purpose or goal other than MORE. Consume as much as you can then die – meaningless existence.

Apneaman on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 5:16 pm 



Donald Trump is not the problem – he’s the symptom

Trump is what happens when you fail to understand our global problems in their interconnected, systemic context.

“But it is a mistake to believe that Trump is the problem who must be resisted. Trump is not the problem. Trump is merely one symptom of a deeper systemic crisis. His emergence signals a fundamental and accelerating shift within a global geopolitical and domestic American political order which is breaking down.

In order to know how to best respond to the incoming Trump era, we must understand how we arrived here.”

https://www.opendemocracy.net/nafeez-mosaddeq-ahmed/donald-trump-is-not-problem-he-s-symptom

Davy on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 5:28 pm 



Short is getting some press on Automatic Earth and on Zerohedge.
“What Is This “Crisis” Of Modernity?”
https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2017/01/what-is-this-crisis-of-modernity/

“Well, the Hill’s Group, who are seasoned US oil industry engineers, led by B.W. Hill, tell us – following their last two years, or so, of research – that for purely thermodynamic reasons net energy delivered to the globalised industrial world (GIW) per barrel, by the oil industry (the IOCs) is rapidly trending to zero. Note that we are talking energy-cost of exploration, extraction and transport for the energy-return at final destination. We are not speaking of dollar costs, and we are speaking in aggregate. So why should this be important at all; and what has this to do with spiraling debt creation by the western Central Banks from around 2001?”….(much more)

makati1 on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 6:19 pm 



When is the first well going into NYC’s Central Park? Will it be visible from Trump Tower? Stay tuned.

“Pentagon confirms first drone strikes under President Trump”(When will the first one be in the U$?)
“Get Ready for the First Shocks of Trump’s Disaster Capitalism”
“This Company Has Built a Profile on Every American Adult”
“America’s Putin Derangement Syndrome” (Still beating on the bear.)
“Foreigners Are Dumping U.S. Debt At A Record Pace And Our $20 Trillion National Debt Is Poised To Become A Major Crisis”
“‘Victimhood culture’ has taken over college campuses, alleges new book”(Snowflake culture)
“Student Arrested, Facing Jail for Throwing a Paper Airplane at Teacher”
“Poking the dragon could scar the agriculture sector”
“Cops want Americans charged with a hate crime for criticizing police”(Next, a death sentence?)
“White House orders freeze on EPA grants, media blackout” (the Police State grows)

3rd World, Banana Republic, Fascist, Police State America. Glad I live in a country on the way up, not down, like the U$. lol

Cloggie on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 6:24 pm 



opendemocracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDemocracy

Kofi Annan, George Soros, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Shirin Ebadi, Sidney Blumenthal, Peter Hain, Pierre Bourdieu, Manuel Castells, Fred Halliday, and David Blunkett. openDemocracy’s mission statement asserts: “openDemocracy is committed to human rights and democracy. We aim to ensure that marginalised views and voices are heard. We believe facilitating argument and understanding across geographical boundaries is vital to preventing injustice”.[2]

openDemocracy is owned and published through a non-profit foundation.[3] It has been funded by a number of philanthropic organisations, including the Ford Foundation, the Atlantic Philanthropies, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust, as well as a base of individual donors.[4] High profile individual supporters have included Heidi Bergemann, John Cleese, Carl Djerassi, and Pamela Raspe, and Reinhard Hesse.

Resident commie Friday promoting prominent commies like George Soros and the rest of the globalist freak show.

OpenDemocracy/OpenSociety is the problem, that’s why Trump was elected; only the third world wants to see happening… and nihilists like Friday.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/374936-trump-protests-divided-america/

Here is a much better idea than an “open society”…The Grand old man of US libertarianism Lew Rockwell advocates the breakup of the US:

I don’t want to say this is two nations, American novelist John Dos Passos some years ago said we’re two nations. We’re actually probably 22, or 222, or whatever. The US is far too big; it’s actually a good idea to break it up… So the people who want to live in a Communist society, more power to them, go right ahead just don’t have anything to do with me and the people I care about; the businesses and taxpayers, and so forth who are the actual producers in American society. So I think they just should go their own way. The rest of us should just ignore them to the extent we can. If they are violent, if they are breaking store windows and beating up people in a typical Communist fashion, then, of course, there has to be a defensive reaction.

I think that is a good idea as well… give the Friday’s of this world their own shabby commie country, populated by people from all corners of the globe and let the place be run by the obsolete freaks from OpenDemocracy, like Soros, Anan, Blumenthal, Ali and John Cleese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J80AGEvRQOg

And every week Friday and Siss will write a report to George Soros about their own “white privilige” (assuming that Friday is white and not an some Ukrainian Eskimo).

This breakup as promoted by Rockwell is going to happen anyway after Trump will leave the building.

Davy on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 6:25 pm 



“Kyle Bass Calls Trump ‘Gasoline’ on Smoldering Fire in China”
http://tinyurl.com/jqj8e5s

“China has “recklessly built a system that’s going to need to restructure and that just so happens to be metastasizing right when Trump becomes elected,” Bass told Bloomberg Television’s Erik Schatzker on Wednesday. “This is a fire that’s been smoldering and it’s now starting to burn, and Trump is just more gasoline.”

“Imposing tariffs on Chinese imports could have “profound consequences” for the nation’s economy, where credit over the last 18 months has grown by $6.5 trillion while deposits expanded just $3 trillion”

“The idea that China is now the driving economic power in the world, I think, is illusory or somewhat of a fallacy,”

makati1 on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 6:30 pm 



Bass is an ass. China is driving the world economy and has been for years. If Trump does something stupid, the U$ is going to realize that fact rather painfully.

Go Speed Racer on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 7:40 pm 



Awesome.
Gas will go back down to $1.19 a gallon.
I can drive my 1979 Cadillac Sedan de Ville
again. Trump is making America great again.

GregT on Wed, 25th Jan 2017 9:29 pm 



RE: Short is getting some press on Automatic Earth and on Zerohedge.

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2017/01/what-is-this-crisis-of-modernity/

Great find Davy. Submitted for posting on PO.com.

Sissyfuss on Thu, 26th Jan 2017 12:59 am 



Not sure how you can get an eternal woody from man child Donald, Clogistan. You’ve been pushing the party line on renewables as if you really cared and along comes the human match to inflame all the cornies with his accelerated rape of what’s left of our life source and not a peep from the solar sumbitch.
White power keeps your lights on way more efficiently than any other source, Clingie, which would explain the EMP of historical fiction you’ve burdened this site with.
Comrade Sissy signing off.

Cloggie on Thu, 26th Jan 2017 3:37 am 



You’ve been pushing the party line on renewables as if you really cared

I do really care, my university study was dedicated to the subject and a couple of years there after; and over the last five years I wrote a blog with thousands of posts, without making any money from it:

http://tinyurl.com/zjq3fx6

So I do care, much more than you, who can’t produce more than a few sneering one-liners. And I did invest in solar panels and will invest in setting up a solar air heater later this year:

http://tinyurl.com/zrpkjm4

But there is much more to life than solar panels and wind turbines, like our survival. And actually it is true that over the last two years I did indeed lose interest a little in the subject… because I already know that renewables have won, certainly in Europe.

But when Merkel began with her insane destructive immigration policies in August 2015, my energy blog did indeed morph into a “white nationalist” blog as a result of my seething anger with this Jerry feminist SED Soros bot.

Recently I removed all these “WN” posts and put them in another (private) blog. There were too many people who knew about my blog, that started as an innocent energy blog.

Not sure how you can get an eternal woody from man child Donald

I can assure you that I don’t get “a woody” from either Trump or Alex Jones, far from it. Most of the time it is “role eyes” time, especially when Jones is rambling over “Natzis” again, pandering to the Soros narrative.

But… I judge Trump and Jones from a viewpoint of European survival, what’s good for us Europeans. The ones I take very serious… as an enemy… are the ones who until November 2016 lorded over you folks… and since 1945 as a proxy over us when you and your Soviet palls destroyed us. We in Europe are just waiting for that embarrassing situation to end, namely that a former colony lords over the mother civilization, for no other reason than that Europe’s lost children aka Americans, couldn’t generate a WASP elite strong enough to withstand those who only want to destroy our kind, Europeans and European-Americans alike, through mass migration.

And now it looks that finally a US Mussolini stood up and could break through the barriers of political correctness and got the upper-hand over the likes of you, Friday and Ghung. And you seriously expect me to worry about Donald’s table manners? Golden showers? Pussies? Or even his energy policies… when our naked survival is at stake? That would be like standing on a sinking Titanic and still refusing to embark in the shabby lifeboats, “because they are not up to European standards.lol”

Let Trump-America choose the erroneous route of coal, fine with me; it gives European renewable industry a head start, enabling us to dominate a future key industry, where Britain with coal and America with oil have demonstrated that dominating energy means geopolitical dominance.

America is over. You only have to look at the demographic balance and the predictable ethnic tensions that come with it, as well as a completely nihilistic Left that wants to die, but also drag us into the grave with it (there are a lot of those on this forum). Thanks but no thanks. You can do the (civilizational) dying all by yourself. Rural America, who carried away a temporary victory over Washington can just hope that their cousins in Europe will grow a pair and will help carving out the viable parts of America and draw them into a Eurosphere culture circle/military alliance. If not, your kind (Siss, Friday) will win and turn America finally into Orwell’s Oceania, or white despair country, where blacks were those responsible for the moon landing [snicker]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK8xHq6dfAo

which would explain the EMP of historical fiction

What historical fiction would that be? That the American deep state is not the benevolent hegemon, who is merely keen of liberating all the “oppressed” in this world? If I wanted to know your opinions about history, I just have to switch on CNN (haven’t done that for 20 years).

you’ve burdened this site with

Yeah, you think I am “beyond the pale”? Well, throw me off then. There are more forums in this world than I can ever hope to “service”. But it is no longer your pc world any more, Siss, although you probably will achieve your $5k/year socialist Nirvana in Trans-Appalachia. On a global scale you are a collectors item for the George Soros’ “Museum of Tolerance and Open Society”, an outlet model of history.

Davy on Thu, 26th Jan 2017 6:11 am 



“America’s Putin Derangement Syndrome”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-25/americas-putin-derangement-syndrome

“The answer is not by blackmailing Trump, hacking the Democratic National Committee, or any other such nonsense put out by disappointed Clintonites. Rather, Putin prevailed through a combination of skill and luck. He played his cards well. But he also had the good fortune of having an opponent who played his own hand extremely poorly. Russia won because America lost.”

“What Went Wrong? Historians of the future will also no doubt agree that Obama might have averted catastrophe if he had decisively broken with Washington’s pro-war foreign-policy establishment. Plainly, a change of course was urgent if catastrophe was to be avoided. But the more realistic among them will note that any such correction would have been both difficult and disruptive. It would have meant abandoning some allies and hammering out new relationships with others, changes that would have elicited howls of protest from Washington to Riyadh….So Obama, an ardent compromiser by nature, decided to fine-tune the existing policy instead by shifting from the direct military intervention of the George W. Bush era to more indirect means. This was an understandable reaction to the excesses of the previous administration, but it only made matters worse. Exhibit A is Syria”

“Digging Deeper Yet the more the Obama administration tried to make its strategy work, the more it fell prey to a fatal contradiction. The reason was simple. Obama claimed to favor a democratic solution, yet the people he counted on to impose it, i.e. the Gulf kingdoms, are the most autocratic states on earth. The more money and aid they channeled to the opposition, therefore, the more undemocratic it became.”

“Although Obama predicted that Putin would find himself in a Vietnam-style “quagmire”, Putin was careful to limit the operation and avoid making promises he couldn’t keep. Even The New York Times was impressed by Putin’s calculated actions. This is why Putin came out on top: not because he’s a latter-day Svengali manipulating candidates and overturning elections, but because U.S. policy was leading to disaster and no one else was in a position to clean up the mess.”

“In other words, Obama was saying that Russia is a loser; its friends are losers; and it was foolishly plunging into Syria in a last-ditch effort to bolster a loser who was clearly in his death throes. Obama thus ignored his own role in destroying Libya and Syria or provoking a confrontation over the eastern Ukraine. He refused to consider how his own policies were making matters worse and worse or why Putin felt he had no alternative but to step in after all.”

“Now the shoe is on the other foot. Russia is the dominant power in the Middle East at the moment – apart from Israel, that is – while the U.S. is in disarray as a dangerous rightwing buffoon ensconces himself in the White House. The Democrats should take a long hard look in the mirror if they want to know who the real loser is. But they won’t. They prefer to blame Putin and Russia.”

Sissyfuss on Thu, 26th Jan 2017 11:32 am 



Clogenfruende, tis not only Americur that is over. Include Industrial Civ in your constant identifying as well. Lincoln stated that as our circumstances are new, we must think anew and act anew. Now that’s a sneering one liner ,eh Clogectomy.
Your rendoable energy masturbations are as token an enterprise as were my years in the environmental field trying to convince the people that overbreeding and overconsumption will lead us to ruin. Then Reagan and Thatcher
teamed up to drag us back to BAU land.
I don’t discount your efforts in a quest for a truly lifestyle, I just find it in the end to be the folly of a species doomed.
“We can communicate but can we connect?”
Anonymous

Sissyfuss on Thu, 26th Jan 2017 11:33 am 



Green life style.

Apneaman on Thu, 26th Jan 2017 12:27 pm 



Seems that others are clueing in to my long standing claim that industrial civilization cannot afford AGW consequences. It will continue to break infrastructure and then entire economies.

As Trump ignores record temperatures, taxpayers are footing the (huge) bill for climate change

“Peer-reviewed studies have established that climate change is already costing American taxpayers and consumers tens of billions of dollars.”

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-bledsoe-climate-costs-20170126-story,amp.html

Yep, ignoring and denying is a sign of good leadership. Not just denying but pushing back in a child like manner. Cheetos behaviour reminds me of those american white boys whose response to the facts is “coal rolling”. More man child behaviour. For those who don’t know what coal rolling is here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBQFnUgv37c

This is their response to AGW, anything really, that is perceived as a challenge to their strongly held world view. This is what white conservative men in America have become. Undoubtedly Trump supports and potential Brown Shirts if/when the call from big Cheeto comes – officially or otherwise. Cheeto is no different. “I don’t believe what you say – it’s a hoax, so I’m gonna hold my breath and stomp my foot until I get what I want and I’m also going to spend a shit load of money installing a coal rolling kit in my truck and gas environmentalists and protesters” “this is the way I behave when I don’t like something”. These fucking morons are the counterpart to the campus liberal PC Naizs. So, unless you live in a local where the leadership takes the oncoming AGW train seriously and is willing to spend on defensive measures, like flood control, then you are extremely vulnerable and on your own. I see merica’s denial & cancer capital, Houston, is going to spend some tax bucks on flood control. See it is possible to maintain the denier stance while still taking measure to protect the people from the very thing they are denying. Only in America eh?

Denier folk will make a bunch of rationalization how it has nothing to do with the recent AGW jacked rain bombs they have been suffering. It doesn’t really matter does it if the work can spare you and yours from drowning or having your property destroyed? They know their is more and worse to come, but the tribal denial must be maintained at all costs even while the adaption measures are implemented. Humans are strange creatures indeed. Especially those American creatures – doubly strange.

Houston Seeks to Expedite Funding for Flood-Control Measures

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southcentral/2017/01/26/440103.htm