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President Donald Trump is committed to regime change in Iran, said Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s newest controversial attorney (although perhaps not for long) and longtime informal advisor.
Speaking to reporters after a Saturday keynote to the Iran Freedom Convention for Democracy and Human Rights in Washington, Giuliani said “We got a president who is tough, who does not listen to the people who are naysayers, and a president who is as committed to regime change as we are.” In other words, pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal is now being conflated with regime change in Iran.
Giuliani says he’s been a supporter of regime change for “ten years,” that it’s the only way to peace in the middle east, and that it’s “more important than an Israeli-Palestinian deal.”
Rudy Giuliani advocates regime change in Iran: “I think it’s the only way to peace in the Middle East. It’s more important than an Israeli-Palestinian deal” https://t.co/Fpf6OgOlaC
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) May 5, 2018
The former Mayor of New York City, who was at one point under consideration for Secretary of State, pretended at one point in his speech that his notes were the Iran nuclear deal – ripping them up and spitting on them.
“With Secretary of State Pompeo now on his right hand and his national security advisor John Bolton… on his left side, what do you think is going to happen to that agreement, that nuclear agreement?” Giuliani asked.
Ok, so nuclear agreement has got to go – but let’s check with December, 2016 Trump to see what he thinks about regime change:
And with just five days to go before Donald Trump withdraws from the Iran nuclear deal on May 12, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani warned the US of “historic regret” if it pulls out from the nuclear deal.
“If the United States leaves the JCPOA, you will soon see the historic regret which the move will bring about for Washington”, Rouhani told a crowd in Sabzevar in northeast Iran.
Under the deal, technically known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), signed in 2015, the U.S. and other world powers agreed to lift some of the economic sanctions imposed on Iran in return for the latter agreeing to rein in its nuclear program. The biggest, impact, however was lowering the price of crude, as the global market suddenly had access to nearly 1 million in Iranian oil output; and one of the key reasons why the price of oil has spiked in recent weeks is the market’s growing confidence that Trump will dump the JCPOA.
Whereas Trump has called the pact “one of the worst negotiated agreements” he has ever seen, and has repeatedly threatened to pull the U.S. out of the deal and has to make a decision on whether he will do so by the Saturday deadline, Rouhani said Iran has been “loyal to its promises”.
On Saturday, we reported that former Secretary of State John Kerry and a group of his former State Department officials have been acting as unofficial diplomats in recent weeks – sneaking around the world trying to salvage the Iran deal he presided over ahead of its renewal deadline, the Boston Globe reported Friday.
In response, Trump tweeted on Monday “The United States does not need John Kerry’s possibly illegal Shadow Diplomacy on the very badly negotiated Iran Deal. He was the one that created this MESS in the first place!”
The United States does not need John Kerry’s possibly illegal Shadow Diplomacy on the very badly negotiated Iran Deal. He was the one that created this MESS in the first place!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 7, 2018
Perhaps we could just rip up the Iran deal but not conduct regime change?
51 Comments on "Trump “Committed To Regime Change” In Iran: Giuliani"
Duncan Idaho on Thu, 10th May 2018 12:03 pm
There will be “regime change” in the US before Iran.
Cloggie on Thu, 10th May 2018 12:33 pm
Regime change in Baghdad was accomplished because the US army occupied Baghdad. That was possible because the road between Basra and Baghdad was flat and (initially) the US invaders were seen by the Shia as liberators, from Sunni dictators Saddam. They simply had to drive through Southern Iraq with little or no resistance.
Iran is totally different:
https://www.google.nl/maps/@31.6674293,50.309026,6z
There is not a dictator from a minority religion, the country is four times as big, most of it is mountains, especially the road from the Northern Gulf to Tehran. And the country is much more ethnic-religious homogeneous than Iraq. America is hated and seen as a colonial power, not a liberator.
On top of that, the entire NE-Gulf region is Iranian territory, meaning that they control who sails through the Gulf and who doesn’t. The US will no doubt soon have air supremacy from its bases in KSA and other Gulf states (probably not Qatar), but that doesn’t mean they will control every truck with a missile launcher on it, applying hit and run tactics.
And there is no chance that the “world community” is going to support a military operation against Tehran (although the Trump regime has not yet said how they think they will accomplish regime change). In fact Iran is with one foot member of SCO, meaning they will be supported by Russia and China. Iran can be supplied by Russia over the Caspian Sea, with no US possibility to interrupt those supplies.
And then there is the possibility that Turkey will chose the side of Iran.
It is going to be a suicide mission, perhaps intentional.
MASTERMIND on Thu, 10th May 2018 12:37 pm
The immediate cause of rising support for authoritarian, xenophobic populist movements is a reaction against immigration (and, in the United States, rising racial equality).
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2018-04-16/age-insecurity?cid=int-lea&pgtype=hpg
MASTERMIND on Thu, 10th May 2018 12:39 pm
Patriotism may indeed be, as Dr. Johnson said, “the last refuge of a scoundrel,” but it’s also the tyrant’s first resort. People afraid of outsiders are easily manipulated. The warrior caste, supposedly society’s protectors, often become protection racketeers. In times of war or crisis, power is easily stolen from the many by the few on a promise of security. The more elusive or imaginary the foe, the better for manufacturing consent.
Cloggie on Thu, 10th May 2018 12:42 pm
Macron is putting great pressure on Merkel for further deep integration of the EU during a visit to Aachen today, where Macron received the Karlsprice (a bit early in his presidential career, comparable to Obama’s Peace Prize):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxxSeVUyA44
Macron has taken over the initiative from Merkel and is currently the one in Europe with the most prestige.
The EU budget is currently merely 1% of EU GDP. Macron wants to substantially increase this fraction, not in the least because of his ambition to set up a European army.
https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-france-wants-more-ambitious-tougher-eu-budget/
Cloggie on Thu, 10th May 2018 12:45 pm
Aachen, the pretty pictures:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2S1BAHKDMw
MASTERMIND on Thu, 10th May 2018 12:54 pm
CLogg
Get a girlfriend and a life. get a job. for gods sake. our problems can’t be fixed politically. Only an idiot would believe such a thing. Democratic is a farce created by the one percent…We need a new world order! And racial equality for all!
MASTERMIND on Thu, 10th May 2018 1:13 pm
Permian Basin & Eagle Ford Shale From a Global Perspective – Art Berman 2018
https://www.scribd.com/document/378814319/Permian-Basin-Eagle-Ford-Shale-From-a-Global-Perspective-Art-Berman-2018#
Cloggie on Thu, 10th May 2018 1:47 pm
“We need a new world order! And racial equality for all!”
Why don’t you and Bob start a kosher shawarma joint in downtown Manhattan. Move now and avoid the rush later. NYC is already your racial egalitarian Walhalla and the hated whites are already in the minority, what’s not to like.
https://www.joyofkosher.com/2013/10/shawarma-israeli-fast-food/
Theedrich on Thu, 10th May 2018 1:48 pm
Yup, more regime change needed. So U.S. oligarchs can control the world and dysgenicize it with more darkskinned miscreants. New American Century, American interests, etc., etc.
By all means, lets continue undermining the White race and slouching toward Ragnarök.
Anonymouse1 on Thu, 10th May 2018 2:05 pm
amerika’s unelected, unaccountable ‘elites’ are always ‘behind’ regime change in Iran as a policy, and they have been since the 1980s. Giuliani here, is merely stating the obvious.
Davy on Thu, 10th May 2018 2:05 pm
My god neder, more of your armchair military nonsense. The US is not going to invade Iran. The actual invasion of Iraq was an amazing military achievement unparalleled in modern history. The problem was disbanding the Iraqi Army post invasion. It is just another example of political failures trashing military successes. Neder your paper fantasy Euro Army could only have wet dream fantasies with what the US did. LMFAO
Duncan Idaho on Thu, 10th May 2018 2:58 pm
“The actual invasion of Iraq was an amazing military achievement unparalleled in modern history.”
Actually, aside from sideshows in Panama and Grenada, the US has not had a military victory from WWII on.
Korea was a tie, got our butt kicked in Viet Nam, and the other episodes have been nightmares.
Davy on Thu, 10th May 2018 3:53 pm
The US did not lose any major engagements above the company level in Vietnam. The war was a political failure. The Chinese were stopped in korea. The US military rightly or wrongly is one of the most effective fighting forces in the world precisely because it is constantly at war. Lots of armchair military thinkers here but with little thinking and mostly emotions.
Cloggie on Thu, 10th May 2018 3:59 pm
“Actually, aside from sideshows in Panama and Grenada, the US has not had a military victory from WWII on.
Korea was a tie, got our butt kicked in Viet Nam, and the other episodes have been nightmares.”
On top of that everything concerning WW2 is a lie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Bunich
Boat on Thu, 10th May 2018 4:33 pm
Regime change in Iran, Syria, N Korea and Russia is an interesting idea.
No need for military victory Clog, just regime change.
Any country that allows Sharia Law obviously needs a new set of leaders.
Cloggie on Thu, 10th May 2018 5:00 pm
“Any country that allows Sharia Law obviously needs a new set of leaders.”
Excellent idea Boat. When will the US organised regime change in Saudi-Arabia take place?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_system_of_Saudi_Arabia
dissident on Thu, 10th May 2018 5:10 pm
LOL. These paladins of the western crusade have a massive blind spot when it comes to all the scum with which they are in bed with. This included all the death squad juntas in Latin America and similar in Africa, South Asia and South-East Asia. There has not been a compliant dictator that the USA did not like, no matter how genocidal. As long as the dictator plays ball with the self-anointed guiding light of humanity, then he gets carte blanche.
MASTERMIND on Thu, 10th May 2018 5:13 pm
In America we have Christian sharia law. No drinking on Sunday, no abortions, no gays can marry. No gun laws…
And notice the christian Taliban are very similar to ISIS in that they want “God and Guns” in every school.
MASTERMIND on Thu, 10th May 2018 5:37 pm
Royal wedding: How will Meghan and Harry embrace African American and British traditions?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/05/10/meghan-markle-embrace-subvert-wedding-traditions/576408002/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Isn’t racial equality great! We are more alike than we are different! The future is mixed!
makati1 on Thu, 10th May 2018 6:06 pm
Yes, Davy, you do very little thinking about any subject that points out the failures of your cherished, blood sucking, child murdering America. You only parrot the propaganda you were force fed in school. No excuse for being uneducated in the age of the internet. None.
The US Got its ass kicked in both Nam’ and Korea and will again if it is stupid enough to try again. They cannot even beat 3rd world goat herders in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc. A real country like China and Russia would wipe the Us off the map and the generals and admirals know it even if Trumpet doesn’t.
Davy on Thu, 10th May 2018 6:10 pm
3rd world the board has been so much cleaner since you’ve been gone. Many more people were able to speak. Please go pretend you are doing business more and leave us here alone. We don’t need your redundant polarizing emotional agenda.
Anonymouse1 on Thu, 10th May 2018 6:34 pm
There is that ‘we’ again exceptionalturd. You’ve been asked on numerous occasions to clarify who ‘we’ is in this context.
Still waiting.
Davy on Thu, 10th May 2018 6:43 pm
we is not you if that is what you are worried about, weasel. You can wait until christmas for all I care stupid. You can continue the waiting and obsessive refreshing of your browser to see who the we is.
DerHundistlos on Thu, 10th May 2018 6:59 pm
“The actual invasion of Iraq was an amazing military achievement unparalleled in modern history. The problem was disbanding the Iraqi Army post invasion. It is just another example of political failures trashing military successes.”
Firstly, define “modern history” so we can put your declaration in context.
Secondly, war is politics, Exceptionalturd. Carl von Clausewitz said it best that, “War is not merely an act of policy but a true political instrument, a continuation of political intercourse carried on with other means.”
MASTERMIND on Thu, 10th May 2018 7:23 pm
I can’t believe Davy said that about the Iraq war? LOL It took us two times to defeat Saddam with help from our European allies. And the US had to use depleted uranium (illegal chemical weapons) to win…And now its under government that is loyal to Iran..
Davy on Thu, 10th May 2018 7:29 pm
“Exceptionalturd.”
LOL, der hund is talking weasel talk…this is too funny.
“War is not merely an act of policy but a true political instrument, a continuation of political intercourse carried on with other means.”
Der hund so what is your point? Do you want me to go google a few quotes for you? We can have a regular circle jerk I guess. If you are going to slap out a quote say something about it dummy.
MASTERMIND on Thu, 10th May 2018 8:11 pm
‘Largest supply shock ever’ could bring $300 oil, warns hedge-fund manager
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/largest-supply-shock-ever-could-bring-300-oil-warns-hedge-fund-manager-2018-04-30
The mother of all oil shocks! 10 dollars a gallon gasoline in America…This world will burn!
makati1 on Thu, 10th May 2018 8:59 pm
Davy, if YOU just disappeared, the discussion here would be so much more intelligent and mature. Being a Soros bot does not help your delusions or the persona you try to project and fail at.
Free Speech Forum on Fri, 11th May 2018 2:10 am
One problem with collapse is that no one can avoid it.
No one will be able to opt-out or flee because the result will be everywhere. No one will be able to escape the chaos, riots, starvation, the nuclear bombs, and being forced to go to the concentration camps.
Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by joining the Gestapo realize that they have to live with their consciences?
Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by remaining silent and obedient realize that this plan failed for millions of people who were killed in Nazi Germany, the USSR, China, and Cambodia?
Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by being rich, famous, attractive, educated, or having influence realize that this plan failed to protect people in history?
Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by being white realize that whatever they allow the government to do to others will eventually be done to them?
Cloggie on Fri, 11th May 2018 3:32 am
A few hours after the US cancelled the Iran nuclear deal, the first Chinese train arrived in Tehran with 1150 ton sunflower seeds:
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/iran-china-startet-neue-handelsroute-nach-us-ausstieg-aus-atomabkommen-a-1207197.html
Required time, 15 days, or 20 days faster than via the sea.
China intends to intensify its trade relations with Iran, which means that like Europe and Russia, China intends to stick with the old Obama-deal as well (they have meanwhile explicitly said so), which had prompted the Chinese to offer to increase Chinese-Iranian trade with a factor of 10 to 600 billion $ over a period of 10 years.
Meanwhile German firms fear US sanctions.
So what? It would be an excellent opportunity for Europe to introduce counter measures, like closing down amazon.de, amazon.fr and amazon.nl, that are currently wrecking European retail. At the same time it would give competing European online platforms the opportunity to expand at the cost of Amazon.
Call their bluff. America against the rest of the world. Now who would lose that fight?
Cloggie on Fri, 11th May 2018 4:08 am
Crucial in the entire drama will be the attitude of Turkey. Turkey supports the nuclear deal (and obviously doesn’t want to see neighbor Iran have nuclear weapons) and explicitly says so…
https://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2725574&Language=en
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/05/08/world/middleeast/08reuters-iran-nuclear-trump-turkey.html
…but they will not follow in a US imposed sanctions regime as long as there are no signs that Iran does develop a nuke, which nobody wants to see happening: not Europe, not Russia, not China, not Turkey, not anybody.
In the standoff over Qatar, we have already seen Turkey siding with Qatar and Iran, indicating that the so-called Shia-Sunni divide is hardly an issue for Erdogan, much in contrast to Saudi-Arabia.
As things look now, it will be Israel, the US and KSA against the rest of the world, in a fight over a non-issue: non-existing Iranian nukes, like these non-existing Iraqi WMD or non-existing Syrian chemical weapons.
This stupid conflict has the potential to topple the Saudi regime at the hands of Iran, Turkey, Iraq, Muslim Brotherhood revolutionaries, the latter paid for by money from Qatar:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/07/muslim-brotherhood-qatar/532380/
Against what the NYT is claiming, Qatar has not yet paid a real price for its MB support:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/18/opinion/qatar-saudi-arabia-iran-muslim-brotherhood.html
The end of KSA would mean the end of the petro-dollar and the end of the US empire.
If Trump is what I suspect he is, namely a closet white nationalist, this could be exactly his intention.
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2018/04/23/donald-trump-understands-the-problem/
Davy on Fri, 11th May 2018 5:05 am
“A few hours after the US cancelled the Iran nuclear deal, the first Chinese train arrived in Tehran with 1150 ton sunflower seeds: Required time, 15 days, or 20 days faster than via the sea.”
Aah, you do realize ships are cheaper than trains…right? What is your point?
“Chinese to offer to increase Chinese-Iranian trade with a factor of 10 to 600 billion $ over a period of 10 years.”
Sure dumbass, again showing how much you don’t know about business and finance. So Iran and China are going to trade at levels the US and China trade at. You are actually worse than 3rd world with numbers but the same binary delusions.
“but they will not follow in a US imposed sanctions regime as long as there are no signs that Iran does develop a nuke, which nobody wants to see happening: not Europe, not Russia, not China, not Turkey, not anybody.”
Neder, what you don’t understand is the sanctions are not for 6 months plus no rational company with significant business in the US is going to buck the sanctions. Companies that trade with Iran and not the US will. The countries don’t matter really but you are not business savvy enough to figure this out.
“As things look now, it will be Israel, the US and KSA against the rest of the world”
Most of the rest of the world doesn’t care about this but I know in your mind it sounds good.
“The end of KSA would mean the end of the petro-dollar and the end of the US empire.”
Clueless on all counts. First the petro dollar is no longer relevant like it once was it is now the major central banks of the world that matter. The petrodollar is mostly relevant for anti-Americans to whine and opine about. Second KSA ends and it will be a global problem if the oil is disrupted this means Eurotard land too. Third the US empire is already over but the US will remain stronger and more relevant than Eurotardland so no empire is needed for that.
Cloggie on Fri, 11th May 2018 5:29 am
Regime change in Iran, the operational details:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/iran-volksmudschaheddin-was-ist-das-fuer-eine-gruppe-a-1207157.html
Like in the case of Iraq, keyword Chalibi and Iraqi National Congress…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Chalabi
…Washington needs an Iranian Fifth Column:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran
…that loves to see itself as a (non-elected) secular and democratic (read: Marxist and Stalinist) government-in-exile and keen to take over the Iranian tax farm, with a little help from their American friends.
Iran and its client state Iraq (thank you America!) see the club as a “terrorist organization”. UNtil recently even the US and EU did.
Der Spiegel, like Washington, loves Marxism, but they don’t like to delude themselves and have to admit that this club (15,000 members worldwide) is a nobody and on this board probably only supported by millimind and BobInget. It essentially is a sect and even interferes with partner choice of its members.
Bolton however doesn’t care, he wants to re-add Persia to that neocon empire of his, with any means, like during the glorious days of the Shah, although the latter could be at times a little too open about how Washington and the US in general work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhqwmQsDyBI
This is the current leader of the club:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CjUDDubJOk
(Doesn’t look very secular to me)
This club was established in 1965 in an attempt to overthrow the US Shah puppet. So it looks like we have another ISIS in the making here, ready to fool the Americans again, just like happened in Syria. Message: give us the weapons, dear America and we establish a nice demockressie for ya in Tehran, complete with wimmin’s rights, gay parades and what not, honest.
Seriously. The only reason why regime change in Iraq succeeded, was because of the US invasion and the same will be true in Iran.
But this is a total different situation. Iraq was a direct consequence of 9/11 (inside job) and Blair-Bush WMD lies and already in that situation France, Germany and Russia refused support.
For this undertaking the US will find no support whatsoever, not even from Britain.
Davy on Fri, 11th May 2018 5:44 am
“Seriously. The only reason why regime change in Iraq succeeded, was because of the US invasion and the same will be true in Iran.”
More stupidity from the board armchair military fraud. Explain to me how the US is going to invade Iran. Look at the map dummy and try to figure out that one out. While you are at it go buy the board game “Risk”. That is more your speed.
Dredd on Fri, 11th May 2018 8:10 am
“President Donald Trump is committed to regime change in Iran, said Rudy Giuliani”
Is the Rudy up to date on facts yet?
joe on Fri, 11th May 2018 10:08 am
The petrodollar is a foundation stone of the global economy. Even since the US was taken off the gold standard inflation globally has skyrocketed, because the world trades in a fiat money. Oil and the dollar are the same, without one the other dies. I mean we could use somthing like bananas, but we consume allot less banana than oil. With high oil prices and a strong dollar, the USA would effectively tax every transaction where oil is traded in dollars, any move away from it means the US is harmed economically. That said the world tolerates a basket of currencies but oil is usually left out of it.
As for military attacks on Iran, ok, maybe. But the Iranian army might not react the way you might imagine. They might send their planes into Afghanistan and join up with Isis and the Taliban. The US occupied the controlling square on the chessboard, but they couldn’t hang on to it because they installed a King. The US supported monarchy in a country. Any true American would say they got justly bitch slapped for that tyrannical type shit….
Cloggie on Fri, 11th May 2018 2:25 pm
“The West no longer exists”
Says not (just) me, but the #1 German language outlet of the US empire, of former fame:
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegel-leitartikel-donald-trump-und-das-ende-des-transatlantischen-buendnisses-a-1207308.html
Europe is taking a deep breath and is preparing itself not to follow the US war party, that is the easy part, but deal with the consequences as well, the hard part. Like a full blown trade war.
So what comes after America?
https://youtu.be/tkxvd0K94V8
But it is not that simple. If Europe moves to Russia too quickly, you run the risk of pushing the US and China into each others arms, the worst desaster imaginable.
It makes more sense to wait for a full blown war of the US against Iran, which likely will involve China, in a proxy war against the US. That would be better preconditions for a transition.
The best precondition however would be an uprising in the US. For the moment, sit it out and set up a European military.
Davy on Fri, 11th May 2018 3:12 pm
“So what comes after America?”
American is not going anywhere despite your fantasies
“But it is not that simple. If Europe moves to Russia too quickly, you run the risk of pushing the US and China into each others arms, the worst desaster imaginable.”
More nonsense
“It makes more sense to wait for a full blown war of the US against Iran, which likely will involve China, in a proxy war against the US. That would be better preconditions for a transition.”
The US is not going to invade Iran. It may bomb Iran but there will be no full blown war. How is it going to involve China? Nonsense again
“The best precondition however would be an uprising in the US. For the moment, sit it out and set up a European military.”
It is well know Europeans can’t fight at the level of an army. There are very good European soldiers of course.
joe on Fri, 11th May 2018 3:44 pm
Of course, cause they have no army. However deal breaking America just made sure that the EU will try to form one. Will probobly cause faster EU collapse.
MASTERMIND on Fri, 11th May 2018 3:52 pm
Clogg
How is Europe and Russia going to join forces when they start running out of oil? You dumbshit! Europe has entered a period of degrowth. And no authoritarian puppet like Putin can save you. LOL
Globalism is finished when the oil crisis hits! Which is coming soon to a world near you!
IEA Chief warns of world oil shortages by 2020 as discoveries fall to record lows
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iea-says-global-oil-discoveries-at-record-low-in-2016-1493244000
HAHAHHAhA!
MASTERMIND on Fri, 11th May 2018 3:53 pm
Clogg
The End of the Oil Age is Imminent!
Recently, the HSBC oil report stated that 80% of conventional oil fields were declining at a rate of 5-7% per year. This means that there will be an oil shortage of ~30 million barrels per day by 2030 and ~40 million barrels per day by 2040.
http://www.scribd.com/document/367688629/HSBC-Peak-Oil-Report-2017
What is mentioned far less often is that annual oil discoveries have lagged annual production since the 1980s.
https://imgur.com/a/6dEDt
Now, this problem has nothing to do with the recent decline in the oil price, which started in 2014. This has been an on-going problem for the past 30 years. Now, the IEA is predicting oil shortages by ~2020 due to declining exploration.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iea-says-global-oil-discoveries-at-record-low-in-2016-1493244000
Here, the IEA blames this problem on the low oil price. But, this problem started in the 1980s. The problem is geological: we are running out of conventional cheap oil. Shale and tar sands are not the answer, either. Those resources are far too expensive, compared to conventional oil, because the global economy is based on cheap conventional oil. Expensive oil is not a replacement for cheap oil.
Based upon the HSBC report and the IEA, the End of Oil Age will start around ~2020: there will be a dramatic economic depression due to exhaustion of cheap oil. This will cause a global economic collapse.
MASTERMIND on Fri, 11th May 2018 3:55 pm
Dear Reader,
Here are five peer reviewed scientific studies authored by top experts that prove beyond any reasonable doubt that global civilization will collapse within the next decade.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
https://www.nature.com/articles/463608a
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3574335/
http://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/MSSI-ResearchPaper-4_Turner_2014.pdf
http://www.feasta.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Trade-Off1.pdf
Simple really….when the World Economy Collapses everything shuts down…the end… We’re talking about grids down all over the world and 7.5B people dropping like f*** flies in short order. The collapse will be absolutely horrible..There is no collapse or horror movie ever produced that has even come close to imagining what the collapse of BAU might look like. I’m talking about every corporation and every social program going bankrupt at once. I’m talking about people eating people. I’m talking about the Worst Catastrophe to ever happen in the history of mankind. Nothing has ever, or will ever come close….
MASTERMIND on Fri, 11th May 2018 3:58 pm
Haven’t you heard? Iran wants to “Wipe Israel off of the map”….
That lie never gets old. And its the media’s favorite talking point!
MASTERMIND on Fri, 11th May 2018 4:15 pm
Study: Conspiracy theorists are not necessarily paranoid
While paranoid people believe that almost everybody is out to get them, conspiracist believe that a few powerful people are out to get everybody.
http://www.psypost.org/2018/05/study-conspiracy-theorists-not-necessarily-paranoid-51216
makati1 on Fri, 11th May 2018 6:19 pm
MM, Squawk! Squawk! Squawk! The Us propaganda parrot is lose again! LMAO
DerHundistlos on Sat, 12th May 2018 4:00 am
Exceptionalist Davyturd:
You really enjoy playing the dumb card. You are such the hypocritical, obnoxious, rich-boy who loves playing goat farmer Davy in the Ozarks with daddy’s money since you were incapable of earning an income as a real farmer. How dull your life must be since you spend day and night hitting the refresh button so you can get in the final insult.
makati1 on Sat, 12th May 2018 4:07 am
He has a problem being last, Der. The Ps is 13 hours ahead of Missouri time. 4:05 AM, Saturday in Missouri now. 5:05 PM, Saturday in the Ps. I’m always ahead of him in all areas. lol
Davy on Sat, 12th May 2018 6:11 am
“He has a problem being last”
last time I looked 3rd world a clock is circular. There is no last stupid.
Cloggie on Sat, 12th May 2018 6:49 am
On topic again… Libertarians usually talk reason when it comes to foreign policy:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/05/no_author/the-coming-war-against-iran/