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Tree sitters rally against natural gas pipelines
Dozens of people joined Theresa “Red” Terry and her daughter “Minor” Terry for a solidarity rally to protest against the construction of the Mountain Valley and Atlantic Coast pipelines on the Downtown Mall on Monday afternoon.
The rally was part of a movement by progressive community organizations demanding Governor Ralph Northam keep his promises to make sure the natural gas pipelines don’t interfere with the state’s environmental health.
“Red” and “Minor” Terry sat in trees for 34 days in Roanoke County until a judge ordered them to come down Saturday.
Their stop in Charlottesville is part of a tour throughout the state to protest against the construction of these natural gas pipelines.
Making these stops is important for Terry because she said it’s a way to rally the community together for this cause.
“I got a lot of attention in the tree, I guess it takes an old coot in a tree to get attention,” said Terry. “What made me want to come out is people were interested and if we can spread the word to anyone out there, get involved, let’s fight this thing together, I will go to the ends of the Earth if that’s what it takes.”
Terry’s motivation to go up in the trees began when she started to see the work begin by her home.
“I walked the path of the pipeline and then they started cutting on the mountain to my neighbors,” said Terry. “I said that’s it, I’m going up.”
Through her protest in the trees, Terry hoped to show everyone how important her land was and why the company shouldn’t be allowed to take it away.
“I really think our politicians have no right to take our land and give it to profit companies,” said Terry.
Although she was removed from her perch in the trees, she said her fight is only beginning and hopes to inspire the city with this message.
“Keep fighting, just keep fighting,” said Terry. “It should’ve been by the people for the people. It shouldn’t be by the oil and gas companies who buy our politicians because that’s who’s running this company. They’re using our politicians as puppets to get whatever they want.”
Dominion Energy, the company behind the Atlantic Coast Pipeline project, said the project has been the most-reviewed infrastructure project in state history.
92 Comments on "Tree sitters rally against natural gas pipelines"
Cloggie on Wed, 9th May 2018 12:18 pm
We have got a new #1 in wind energy since 2017:
https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2018/04/GlobalData-Wind-OEM-2017-1.png
1. Siemens-Gamesa 9.4 GW (DE/ES)
2. Vestas 7.5 GW (DK)
3. Goldwind 5.5 GW (CN)
4. General Electric 4.8 GW (US)
5. Enercon 3.4 GW (DE)
Siemens-Gamesa taking over from Vestas.
BobInget on Wed, 9th May 2018 1:15 pm
Siemens GCTAF, traded exactly zero shares
so far today. Unless, my bid for 100 shs gets excepted.
GE, also a defense company up .38
Speaking of defense or defence I thought Boeing
would be down losing almost a billion $ airplane order from Iran.. but no. Killing Iranians proves more profitable, short term. BA currently up over $8.00
One of Boeing’s aircraft will last over 30 years in service. One of their killing machine missiles?.
Which do ya think has a greater economic impact.
(Pun intended)
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 1:23 pm
These tree nuts are imbeclies! Just wait till we run out of oil in a few years, well see how happy they are. And after the trucks stop running, its fight club.
https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa
Cloggie on Wed, 9th May 2018 1:43 pm
“These tree nuts are imbeclies! Just wait till we run out of oil in a few years,”
Millimind had great trouble understanding that after a peak, a gradual slope downhill emerges, not an abyss, a slope that will last decades.
But millimind doesn’t want to understand it, keen as he is to get his bolshevik revolution started, that should be hrought about via Abyss Oil.
One is almost inclined to feel sorry for our resident revolutionary.
#AllDressedUpAndNowhereToGo
#FirstTimeTragedySecondTimeFarce
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 1:50 pm
Clogg
Look what happened to the soviet union they went on a decade long plateau than production fell off a cliff. And they collapsed in two years from an oil shortage. Same will happen in a few years to the world economy. Only thing holding up the world economy now is low interest rates and exploding debts. And there is no time for any revolution. The governments are going to collapse..
https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 1:53 pm
Post collapse just tell the rich man NO..one time, then watch him stroke out while I breed his daughters! I’m going to have more kids than Stanford!
Antius on Wed, 9th May 2018 2:23 pm
“Millimind had great trouble understanding that after a peak, a gradual slope downhill emerges, not an abyss, a slope that will last decades.”
It may not be quite so simple. Gail Tverberg has pointed out that there is a maximum oil price that the economy can sustain without building up more debt. This is due to the energy intensity of the systems that we have, especially transport systems.
If we hit a depression and the oil price drops down to $40/barrel, then a large chunk of the world’s oil production will suddenly be unprofitable. Interest rates are heading upwards, because although demand for commodities is depressed and prices deflationary, services are showing clear signs of inflation, because the main costs in this case are domestic wages which have to cover all living costs. If interest rates are high, then exporters cannot borrow to cover deficits. A lot of them will be forced to massively slash spending, which could foment civil unrest as well as leading to a slow decay of infrastructure in exporting countries, not to mention a complete absence of new investment in energy projects.
Things could fall apart quite quickly, if what happened in Columbia starts happening in the Middle East, especially Saudi. The problem is that economic turmoil leads to lower prices, even if supply is reduced, because there is an affordability problem. It is why solutions to fossil fuel depletion need to keep the cost of energy services low. It takes a certain amount of work in energy terms to produce a unit of GDP.
One of the reasons I was excited about the grid connected vehicle solution being developed in Sweden, is that whole system costs could end up being substantially lower than existing liquid fuel infrastructure. That is what we need if we are to avert collapse, because a depressed economy cannot substitute oil with a more expensive solution, even if it looks more sustainable on the face of it. Economics introduces feedback loops that produce unexpected results in the face of energy shortages. Because energy shortages lead to economic depression, the price signals end up being the opposite of what you would expect when stuff runs short. This is the difficult dilemma that we face and it took most of the old Peak Oil crowd by surprise. They were expecting scarcity to lead to higher price. It doesn’t work that way if scarcity pushes the economy into depression, which is exactly what happened in 2008.
Antius on Wed, 9th May 2018 2:48 pm
“Post collapse just tell the rich man NO..one time, then watch him stroke out while I breed his daughters! I’m going to have more kids than Stanford!”
Millimind, the rich guys are the ones with a shed load of AR-15 rifles. They are just itching for the zomby apocalypse to start so they can prove how manly they are taking out the kike trying to rape their beautiful blonde daughters. Hell, their daughters have guns too.
They are also the ones with spare cash and property without a mortgage. People like that always do well in depressions, because asset prices are depressed and anyone with spare cash can buy things at a bargain in terms of long-term value. That is how Warren Buffet became one of the richest men on Earth. He sat on a pile of cash, identified companies with products that would always make good money and then waited for a crisis or recession to create a buying opportunity. Benjamin Graham, Wall Street Kike extraordinaire, got comfortably rich doing exactly that following the crash of 1929. Amidst the doom and gloom and 30%+ unemployment, there were a lot of people also getting rich.
People close to the bottom, working in dead-end jobs in the service sector or relying on food handouts and social security, are at the opposite end of the scale. These people will lose their jobs and livelihood and won’t have any stored wealth to fall back on. If you are in the position of actually owning stuff come the depression and have money in the bank, you could probably fill a harem with negresses and white trailer trash, so long as you promise to feed them. But the rich will be richer than ever. Get ready for the new Feudalism. It will be a shabbier, poorer version of what we have today.
Cloggie on Wed, 9th May 2018 2:59 pm
There is more to life than oil, like gas or gasified coal. Rising oil prices will cause demand destruction (for oil only) and the oil price will stabilize on a high level, like $140.
Nothing wrong with a good, old fashioned collapse.
Currently, Hollanders are booking holidays to Farawayistan in record numbers, 19 millions trips abroad on a population of 17 million. If you add inland trips, you arrive at 36 million holidays in 2017:
https://nos.nl/artikel/2211090-nederlanders-boeken-recordaantal-vakanties-naar-het-buitenland.html
In case of an economic downturn, that is unlikely to happen before 2022 (excluding the possibility of black swan events, like WW3 over Iran), people can easily reduce holidays abroad.
I’m absolutely not afraid for reduced investment in energy projects in the face of a declining fossil fuel supply. We can always adjust wage levels downwards.
One of the reasons I was excited about the grid connected vehicle solution being developed in Sweden, is that whole system costs could end up being substantially lower than existing liquid fuel infrastructure. That is what we need if we are to avert collapse, because a depressed economy cannot substitute oil with a more expensive solution, even if it looks more sustainable on the face of it.
Combine that with the enormous saving potential of the self-driving car with shared passengers.
I don’t believe in collapse, in belt-tightening, yes.
Outcast_Searcher on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:05 pm
So minimind says we’re going to “run out of oil” in a few years. LOL
When he says things like that, why should anyone believe him about anything he spews?
Could oil prices rise significantly over a few years? Sure. As Cloggie says, if it does, that’s good for other alternatives.
Cloggie on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:10 pm
Boohoo, 500,000 Dutch folk won’t go on holiday this year since all airports are congested:
https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nederland/zonvakantie-op-de-tocht-voor-half-miljoen-nederlanders
The flights have already been booked but will likely be annulled by the tour operators.
https://tinyurl.com/y79xsyj3
Antius on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:17 pm
“There is more to life than oil, like gas or gasified coal. Rising oil prices will cause demand destruction (for oil only) and the oil price will stabilize on a high level, like $140.”
What is more likely to happen, is that oil prices will go up to $140/bl for a few months. After that, multiple economies will go bankrupt, because increasing oil and transport costs will erode their ability to cover debt interest. But they will keep trying right up to the bitter end.
When that happens, huge swathes of the population will lose their jobs and their homes and will no longer be able to afford the products of oil. At that point, the price of oil could be a lot closer to $14 than $140. That is a bit of a problem so far as developing alternatives is concerned. Things just aren’t likely to happen in that smooth progressive way that you need if you are trying to transition to energy alternatives. It makes transition planning a bit of a ball ache.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:26 pm
Outcast
What alternatives are there to oil? You dumbshit. there are zero… And antuis you think rich people know how to shoot AR-15s? LOL They have soft hands, to busy counting money all their lives….LOL
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:28 pm
Antuis
Let me educate you. Coal cannot work without crude, crude cannot work without coal, natural gas cannot work without both oil and coal, Shale oil cannot work without any of those, and so on…etc.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:31 pm
Oil discoveries in 2017 hit all-time low –Houston Chronicle
https://www.chron.com/business/energy/article/Oil-discoveries-in-2017-hit-all-time-low-12447212.php
IEA Chief warns of world oil shortages by 2020 as discoveries fall to record lows
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iea-says-global-oil-discoveries-at-record-low-in-2016-1493244000
And what would happen if there was an oil shortage? Good thing the German Government studied this ahead of time.
German Military (leaked) Peak Oil study: oil is used in the production of 95% of all industrial goods, so a shortage of oil would collapse the world economy & world governments
http://www.energybulletin.net/sites/default/files/Peak%20Oil_Study%20EN.pdf
You will die of starvation or conflict between 2020-2050
Antius on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:32 pm
“Boohoo, 500,000 Dutch folk won’t go on holiday this year since all airports are congested:”
Cloggie, do you remember the 2008 recession? Everything was going ok; lots of people had plenty of money. Holidays, new cars, house extensions, etc.
It all came undone in a matter of months. People that had been prosperous a year before, suddenly found themselves unemployed and their homes repossessed. I was in my late 20s at the time and in a safe job. I watched a lot of people 10-20 years older than me lose their homes.
The same thing could easily happen again. It will be worse this time, because governments are already overwhelmed by debt. The next Great Depression. No one thinks it can happen until it does.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:33 pm
Oh and gas is peaking as well….
Shell forecasts global Natural Gas supply shortage in mid-2020s
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/26/shell-warns-of-lng-shortage-as-demand-for-liquefied-natural-gas-booms.html
Chevron expects global Natural Gas supply shortage by 2025
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chevron-lng/chevron-expects-lng-supply-shortage-by-2025-idUSKCN1GI2EH
Europe’s Biggest Natural Gas Producer Is Running Out of Fuel
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-16/europe-s-biggest-natural-gas-producer-is-running-out-of-fuel
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:37 pm
Antuis
The OECD and Global economy has already been in a depression the last 11 years. hence Nazi’s back, drug deaths, retail stores closing, homelessness and poverty exploding, etc..etc… What we are headed for a total economy collapse. Just like the limits to growth study done at MIT concluded.
https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:38 pm
Renewable energy ‘simply won’t work’: Top Google engineers
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/
Bill Gates: We need global ‘energy miracles’
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/02/12/bill.gates.clean.energy/index.html
Solar and Wind produced less than one percent of total world energy in 2016 – IEA WEO 2017
https://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/KeyWorld2017.pdf
UC Davis Peer Reviewed Study: It Will Take 131 Years to Replace Oil with Alternatives
(Malyshkina, 2010)
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es100730q
University of Chicago Peer Reviewed Study: predicts world economy unlikely to stop relying on fossil fuels (Covert, 2016)
https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.30.1.117
Shortage of resources for renewable energy and food production (Rhodes 2011)
https://www.scribd.com/document/375501088/Shortage-of-resources-for-renewable-energy-and-food-production-Rhodes-2011
Top scientists show why powering US using 100 percent renewable energy is a delusional fantasy
http://energyskeptic.com/2017/big-fight-21-top-scientists-show-why-jacobson-and-delucchis-renewable-scheme-is-a-delusional-fantasy/
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:40 pm
Dear reader,
We live in frightening times. It’s my belief that “you personally” will most likely die of starvation or conflict between 2020 to 2050.
You will experience a collapse of human civilization, a die-off of humans, a destruction of the ecosystem, a loss of access to mined and drilled resources, and a dark age from which your descendent’s will not reemerge.
World Scientists “Warning to Humanity” Signed by 15,000 Scientists from 184 Countries Including the Majority of all Nobel Prize Winners
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/67/12/1026/4605229
Long-run evolution of the global economy: Hindcasts of innovation and growth (Garrett 2015)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2015ESDD….6..655G
Scientific American: Apocalypse Soon: Has Civilization Passed the Environmental Point of No Return?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/apocalypse-soon-has-civilization-passed-the-environmental-point-of-no-return/
Inside the new economic science of capitalism’s slow-burn energy collapse (Ahmed, 2017)
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-new-economic-science-of-capitalisms-slow-burn-energy-collapse-d07344fab6be
Peer Reviewed Study: Society Could Collapse In A Decade, Predicts Historian (Turchin, 2010)
https://www.nature.com/articles/463608a
NASA Peer Reviewed Study: Industrial Civilization is Headed for Irreversible Collapse (Motesharrei, 2014)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
The Royal Society: Peer Reviewed Study, Now for the First Time A Global Collapse Appears Likely (Ehrlich, 2013)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3574335/
Peer Reviewed Study: Limits to Growth was Right. Research Shows We’re Nearing Global Collapse (Turner, 2014)
http://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/MSSI-ResearchPaper-4_Turner_2014.pdf
Peer Reviewed Study: Financial System Supply-Chain Cross-Contagion: Global Systemic Collapse (Korowicz, 2012)
http://www.feasta.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Trade-Off1.pdf
Antius on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:45 pm
“What alternatives are there to oil? You dumbshit. there are zero… And antuis you think rich people know how to shoot AR-15s? LOL They have soft hands, to busy counting money all their lives….LOL”
Millimind, as Cloggie stated, oil is not suddenly going to stop. As prices fail to rise high enough, marginal production will be pushed out of the market. Supply will decline. Maybe gradually, maybe in sudden increments as Saudi goes up in smoke. But there will still be oil on the market even 50 years from now.
We discussed an affordable alternative yesterday. Still a technology under development, but not really a very sophisticated one. Oil is a transport fuel. There are alternatives.
Cloggie on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:47 pm
Coal cannot work without crude
The British Empire, the largest real empire in world history, was built on COAL, not a drop of oil, you dip shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y2WIOa7CEI
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:50 pm
Antuis
When the oil runs short we won’t be able to grow global GDP. And without growth the global economy goes into a deflationary death spiral and collapse…If you want to ignore six scholarly studies go right ahead.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:53 pm
Clogg
The coal mining business has changed quite a bit believe it or not from the 1800’s…You dumbshit. I cant wait for them to burn the elites on a stake!
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 3:56 pm
This shock, will be electric and abrupt. Stress, fear, depression, despairs, and nightmares will be the order of the day — as people come to face the not-so-palatable facets of ‘Post Peak Oil’.
– Dr Ali Samsam Bakhtiari
Antius on Wed, 9th May 2018 4:00 pm
“When the oil runs short we won’t be able to grow global GDP. And without growth the global economy goes into a deflationary death spiral and collapse…If you want to ignore six scholarly studies go right ahead”
Possibly. Another few years and we get to find out for sure. If you really think the world is going to end, I suggest some good holidays now. Liquidate your assets.
If doom doesn’t arrive on the allotted day, there is always the suicide cult. You seem like the type.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 4:03 pm
Our entire civilization is made up of an interconnected network of interdependencies that create feedback loops that are nearly impossible for the average person to understand.
http://www.feasta.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Trade-Off1.pdf
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 4:06 pm
Antius
I seem like the type of what? That bases my beliefs off of peer reviewed scholarly science papers? Guiltily as charged.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 4:11 pm
They know the oil is going to be running out in a few years worldwide. I hate to be the one to say it but a major nuclear war to depopulate would make a lot of sense..
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/03/23/is-the-world-sleepwalking-into-an-oil-crisis/#3dd6e74344cf
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 4:21 pm
Parents are soon going to have to eat their babies to survive! Happens every famine! (Check your history)
https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 4:24 pm
I won’t be out doomed! EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
Antius on Wed, 9th May 2018 4:27 pm
” I hate to be the one to say it but a major nuclear war to depopulate would make a lot of sense..”
You must be miserable indeed, with very little invested in the future if you think the end of civilization makes a lot of sense. Like I said, you seem like the type to be into apocalyptic death cults. You seem to want the world to crash and burn. You seem actually disappointed every year that it fails to happen and you resist all attempts to examine solutions and mitigation strategies.
It isn’t good for you. I would suggest SSRIs. If things are really that bad for you, then they can only get better at least. Like I say, if you really do believe that the world will end this year or next, then go on some holidays.
dave thompson on Wed, 9th May 2018 5:01 pm
Our economy of the planet earth balances on a knife edge. One way oil prices to high? One way oil prices to low? Either way we are in the midst of witnessing the end of corporate capitalistic growth. Either way the system now is juggling chickens and chain saws to keep the illusion going. So far the illusion has held on, food in the stores? Gas at the pumps? Water in the taps? Fire and police still at the ready? Hospitals all open for biz? All good, so lets go climb a tree and protest the beast that feeds us all. Together we can change absolutely,NOTHING.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 5:04 pm
Antius
I have said from the start I think the collapse will happen within the next decade. Nice straw mans though. You are as dumb as they come…If you want to ignore science and reason go right ahead. You seem like the type that is not bright enough to connect the dots..So be it..
World Scientists “Warning to Humanity” Signed by 15,000 Scientists from 184 Countries Including the Majority of all Nobel Prize Winners
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/67/12/1026/4605229
Long-run evolution of the global economy: Hindcasts of innovation and growth (Garrett 2015)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2015ESDD….6..655G
Scientific American: Apocalypse Soon: Has Civilization Passed the Environmental Point of No Return?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/apocalypse-soon-has-civilization-passed-the-environmental-point-of-no-return/
Inside the new economic science of capitalism’s slow-burn energy collapse (Ahmed, 2017)
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-new-economic-science-of-capitalisms-slow-burn-energy-collapse-d07344fab6be
Peer Reviewed Study: Society Could Collapse In A Decade, Predicts Historian (Turchin, 2010)
https://www.nature.com/articles/463608a
NASA Peer Reviewed Study: Industrial Civilization is Headed for Irreversible Collapse (Motesharrei, 2014)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
The Royal Society: Peer Reviewed Study, Now for the First Time A Global Collapse Appears Likely (Ehrlich, 2013)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3574335/
Peer Reviewed Study: Limits to Growth was Right. Research Shows We’re Nearing Global Collapse (Turner, 2014)
http://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/MSSI-ResearchPaper-4_Turner_2014.pdf
Peer Reviewed Study: Financial System Supply-Chain Cross-Contagion: Global Systemic Collapse (Korowicz, 2012)
http://www.feasta.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Trade-Off1.pdf
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 5:07 pm
Since the 2008 financial crash, the world has witnessed an unprecedented outbreak of social protest in every major continent. Beginning with the birth of the Occupy movement in the US and Western Europe, and the Arab Spring, the eruption of civil unrest has continued to wreak havoc unpredictably from Greece to Ukraine, from China to Thailand, from Brazil to Turkey, and beyond. In some regions, civil unrest has coalesced into the collapse of incumbent governments or even the eruption of a prolonged state of internecine warfare, as is happening in Iraq-Syria and Ukraine- Crimea.
Increasing public dissatisfaction with government is correlated with continued government difficulties in meeting public expectations. Yet while policymakers and media observers have raced to keep up with events, they have largely missed the deeper causes of this new age of unrest—the end of the age of cheap fossil fuels, and its multiplying consequences for economic growth, industrial food production, and the Earth’s climate stability.
N.M. Ahmed,
Failing States, Collapsing Systems
Springer Briefs in Energy, 2017
http://www.academia.edu/34816514/Failing_States_Collapsing_Systems_BioPhysical_Triggers_of_Political_Violence_SPRINGER_BRIEFS_IN_ENERGY_
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 5:09 pm
During the mid/late 20th century (1960-1999), a barrel of oil cost $19 on average; during the years immediately prior to the Great Recession (2000-2008), the average price of a barrel of oil had increased to $47; and during the years immediately following the Great Recession (2010-2012), the average price of a barrel of oil had further increased to $81. During the same three time periods, the average price of a metric ton of copper increased from $3,085, to $3,713, to $6,817; the average price of a metric ton of iron ore increased from $36, to $57, to $124; and the average price of a metric ton of potash increased from $114, to $185, to $343. (Prices are inflation adjusted.)
The simple fact is that we cannot grow our global economy and improve our global material living standards on $55 oil, $6,817 copper, $124 iron ore, and $343 potash like we did on $19 oil, $3,085 copper, $36 iron ore, and $114 potash. It should come as no surprise that our Non Renewable Resource-dependent global economy experienced the Great Recession during 2009. Nor should it come as a surprise that we have yet to recover from the Great Recession. Nor will our industrialized and industrializing economies ever recover, so long as price levels associated with the vast majority of Non Renewable Resources remain at their inordinately high levels.
Christpoher Clugston
Scarcity: Humanity’s Final Chapter
https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa
Harquebus on Wed, 9th May 2018 5:18 pm
Thanks to all who post links. I appreciate the further reading. Obviously I can’t read them all but, do follow many.
I could also post the same links over and over every day but, I don’t. I could also dish out insults and profanity to those who disagree with me. I don’t do that either.
Without a continuous increase in global ‘cheap and abundant’ crude oil production, global debts can not be repaid; already exposed and locked in. A lot of people are going to suddenly realize the true value of fiat currencies when the bursting debt bubble exposes all of the hidden consequences of peak ‘conventional’ oil.
“Neoliberal ideology is so thoroughly embedded in our academic, political, and cultural institutions, and so endemic to discourse today, that the idea of degrowth – probably necessary to avoid collapse – and solidarity economics isn’t even close to discussion, much less realization, and, for self-evident reasons, probably never will be.”
“What we do know is that, given everything above, we are living through a confluence of events that will shake the foundations of civilization, and jeopardize our capacity to sustain large populations of humans.”
http://mahb.stanford.edu/blog/extinction-vs-collapse/
cloggie
“Low-carbon energy transition requires more renewables than previously thought”
“Thus, in the face of a future scenario based on renewable energy sources (with low-EROI rates), the researchers indicate that net energy per capita is likely to decline in the future between 24% and 31% from 2014 levels, unless substantial investments are made in energy efficiency.”
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-05/uadb-let050418.php
“If the energy used for building and maintaining the extra infrastructure is accounted for in a life cycle analysis of a renewable power grid, it would be just as CO2-intensive as the present-day power grid.”
“In conclusion, calculating only the energy payback times of individual solar panels or wind turbines greatly overestimates the sustainability of a renewable power grid.”
http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2017/09/how-to-run-modern-society-on-solar-and-wind-powe.html
dave thompson on Wed, 9th May 2018 5:25 pm
Mastermind good points. Interesting how the entire system creep of cost and scarcity has taken place in my (our) life time. The system will chug along for as long as it will. Who can say? Ten years? One year? Fifty?
Cloggie on Wed, 9th May 2018 5:32 pm
“Parents are soon going to have to eat their babies to survive!”
I really feel sorry for your parents.
dave thompson on Wed, 9th May 2018 5:34 pm
Harquebus I am convinced that the first problem to rear it’s ugly truth is in the arctic sea ice. Once we lose the arctic ice the growing seasons will be so out of whack that the ability to grow food, in particular grains, at scale, will be ruined and then the real SHTF within one year. Read McPherson’s work.
Harquebus on Wed, 9th May 2018 5:48 pm
dave thompson
Thanks. I am aware of the changing conditions in the Arctic and Antarctic and have warning about them in mailouts and other in fora for over 2 decades. The methane monster is stirring.
I prepare and hope for collapse because, apart from the inevitability, it is the only thing that has the potential to save us from ourselves. Will it happen in time?
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 5:48 pm
Harquebus
You are welcome sir..I try to use only the best most trusted sources possible. If you can try to take some time off from work and just lie and say its for family reasons etc. In a few years you will wish you have.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 5:52 pm
Dave
Listen to Guy Mcpherson? He is a fraud and tries to molest young girls by telling them the world will come to an end, so they will fuck him. He told one girl who was his student he wanted to lick her pussy…He said back in 2010 that by 2015 half of New York city would be underwater.
https://imgur.com/a/HHPuH9s
We don’t have enough fossil fuels to destroy the planet. See (Mohr 2015)
https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa
dave thompson on Wed, 9th May 2018 6:20 pm
Mastermind, I am aware of the hearsay that an otherwise grown adult woman brought up about McPhereson. The situation has show to be all talk on the part of the ones making the allegations. No proof of wrong doing has ever been presented by the accusing parties. McPhereson is taking legal action against the persons involved.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 6:27 pm
Dave
Guy is not a climate scientist. And the earth has only warmed up by one degree. and you think that is going to collapse global civilization? LOL and the link I showed you showed evidence of text messages from Guy..And he tried to claim the deep state was setting him up afterwards. He tries to tell young girls the world is coming to an end. So they will have sex with him before it does..Classic bait and switch.
dave thompson on Wed, 9th May 2018 6:41 pm
Mastermind I personally know the man and consider Guy to be a friend of mine. The man is recently divorced. If in fact he did anything wrong in propositioning a grown woman(s) he is in the process of suing for slander. The proof will be in the pending lawsuit.
McPherson never claimed to be a climate scientist. You have never read his body of work obviously, you are taking one point he made from his collected work and trying to spin the entire body of his work into being false. The average earth temp has risen by more than one degree C depending on when you start looking at the available peer reviewed data. This is what his collected work is by the way. All peer reviewed data from the scientific community.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 6:48 pm
Dave
why doesn’t guy author a science paper if he is so sure about his predictions? He is not a scientist just a fraud scaremonger with great hair! The IPCC doesn’t agree with anything Guy is claiming.
dave thompson on Wed, 9th May 2018 6:58 pm
Mastermind again you obviously have never read McPherson’s work. If you had you would know his history as an is an American scientist, professor emeritus of natural resources and ecology and evolutionary biology at the University of Arizona.
The IPCC only publishes peer reviewed papers and has no opinion of McPherson’s work, that I am aware of.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 9th May 2018 7:08 pm
Dave
He doesn’t have any work. He is a fraud and was fired for sexual harassment of his students. he is a disgraced scientist. He said back in 2010 that half of new york city would be underwater by now..He lied. He lives in a mud hut..what a clown..People like Guy are the main reason there are so many climate deniers in the US.
dave thompson on Wed, 9th May 2018 7:19 pm
Mastermind, again, obviously you have never read his work. He was never fired from the University of Arizona, it is next to impossible to fire a professor emeritus by the way. He long ago (two years) moved from the “mud hut” and recently it was all sold off. The main science deniers I have met are like you they never read his work. And only pick at on or two points on their own prove nothing in the first place. At least now you admit he is a scientist.