A decoupling of the world’s two largest economies has come to dominate the planning for a post-pandemic world. The resulting global landscape will be unlike anything since the Second World War ended 75 years ago.
The US and China’s combined GDP is $35.6 trillion and they are home to 1.72 billion of the world’s population, so there is plenty of reason to worry about what is increasingly becoming inevitable. Inconsistent White House messaging coupled with Beijing’s lunge to constrain Hong Kong’s autonomy with a national security law will lead to friction beyond tariffs or targeted sanctions. Both countries are reluctant to initiate unilateral draw-downs or launch diplomatic overtures aimed at normalizing or stabilizing the relationship, even as the pandemic is predicted to wipe out over $12 trillion of global GDP.
There is a chorus of buzzwords such as regionalization, reshoring, resilience and realignment —all trying to define what comes next should the US-China relationship cross the point of no return. However, fixating on the US and China frames the disintegration of the global order as an event that nations can still lobby Beijing or Washington to reconsider. It almost trivializes COVID-19’s incalculable impact on international governance, commerce, trade, travel, tourism and complex just-in-time supply chains. There is simply no rationale for a stubborn dependence on China’s manufacturing capacity and entrusting the world’s security and stability to Washington — even if the latter retains the wherewithal for it.
A pre-pandemic tariff war may have intensified conversations about decoupling but recent developments paint an even darker picture. Nations have resorted to power grabs, spurious territorial claims, geopolitical proxy struggles, outright unilateralism, gross stigmatization and benighted protectionism. The result is the series of bold, often unprecedented steps meant to re-assert strategic autonomy, clamp down on domestic dissent or dominate regional affairs.
It is not a US-China decoupling that the world, especially Arab states, should worry about, but rather the tectonic shifts elsewhere. In fact, it is already evident that most nations are already operating on the assumption that a decoupling is inevitable, and safeguarding national and/or regional self-interests.
The world was firmly on the path to some form of realignment before the two biggest economies began irreversibly drifting apart, albeit a gradually. The starting point is debatable but failures in the War on Terror, a devastating 2008 financial crisis and blunders in Crimea, Syria and Libya did not clear perceptions of Washington’s growing inability to continue its role as the world’s peacekeeper. Eventually, “America First” alarmed the world and the ambiguous policies that followed it merely accelerated the inevitable. Washington was already bleeding credibility, legitimacy and trust with repeated failures in a role it has monopolized since fear of communism entered the mainstream. As the current administration sees it, there is little incentive to expend political, diplomatic and actual capital to maintain a loose coalition of the unwilling or unconcerned. It was long past timke for America to recognize and respond to shifting currents favoring a new global order based on competing regions instead of Cold War era superpower rivalry.
It is not a US-China decoupling that the world, especially Arab states, should worry about, but rather the tectonic shifts elsewhere.
Hafed Al-Ghwell
What the world needed was a gradual shift, not a headlong rush into the unknown as is happening now.
Brussels appears to be settling for a “defensive decoupling” to shore up internal vulnerabilities exposed by the debt crisis, Brexit, COVID-19 and the sudden rise of euroskeptic, right-wing anti-immigrant political groups. The lack of forceful measures to address such weaknesses has emboldened governments in Poland and Hungary to test the EU’s patience, almost daring the bloc to enforce Article 7, or even establish mechanisms to expel non-conforming members.
Externally, the EU is consistently finding Washington an unreliable partner, while the conflict in Libya poses significant challenges in terms of illegal immigration, trafficking, embargo violations and terrorism. Additionally, the bloc is heavily dependent on gas supplies from its biggest adversary, Russia — itself determined to maintain this monopoly by wading into the Syrian and Libyan conflicts to destabilize an ambitious Mediterranean gas coalition aiming to supplant Gazprom as the EU’s principal energy supplier.
Brussels has also sought to defend its economic interests by targeting “market distortions” caused by state-subsidized foreign companies. The stated aim is to protect vulnerable European businesses from aggressive buyouts by Chinese or US companies as they try to recover after the pandemic-induced economic crisis. However, many fear the EU is succumbing to aggressive protectionism even if such initiatives will, for instance, rightfully curb foreign companies getting awarded EU-funded contracts by under-bidding domestic competitors.
Ankara views the EMGF and the growing influence of the GCC as an existential threat, necessitating its intervention in Syria and Libya and a more aggressive stance against Greece and Cyprus. Turkey fears being muscled out of the region and having to rely on energy imports as it vies to become an alternative manufacturing center in the new global supply chain proposed as an alternative to dependence on China.
Escalations at Galwan Valley, stoking tensions in the South China Seas, provocative military exercises off the Taiwanese coast and the situation in Hong Kong signal Xi Jinping’s expansionist ambitions. Beijing appears to have deepened its obsession with consolidating power domestically and projecting it abroad. Where Chinese warplanes, boots and warships cannot go, the yuan does — via either a gradual yuan internationalization that appears to have gained traction in Africa or quietly allowing its value to drop to the lowest level since 2008.
For a while, the widely held belief was that globalization would remain an unstoppable force and no matter what policy or ideological differences lay between the world’s power centers, the expansion of global trade and uninterrupted investment flows were ideals. However, a mix of strategic and economic aims sparked political discourse favoring a gradual decoupling, beginning with protecting sensitive sectors and rejecting technology transfers. The world did not account for nor adequately prepare for COVID-19 exposing globalization’s Achilles’ heel and so easily unraveling what had become the natural order.
With economies stalled, unemployment skyrocketing and supply chains seized up, decoupling has since overtaken globalization as most countries are looking inward or regionally to shock-proof economies and insulate societies from far-off threats. Unfortunately, decoupling is still very much the talk of politicians seeking to renationalize national core competences. Nonetheless, as the pandemic has shown, there is little downside to being well prepared.
- Hafed Al-Ghwell is a non-resident senior fellow with the Foreign Policy Institute at the John Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies. He is also senior adviser at the international economic consultancy Maxwell Stamp and at the geopolitical risk advisory firm Oxford Analytica, a member of the Strategic Advisory Solutions International Group in Washington DC and a former adviser to the board of the World Bank Group. Twitter: @HafedAlGhwell
makati1 on Sat, 27th Jun 2020 6:21 pm
Wishful thinking. China produces most things Amerikans/Europeans need, and those factories are NOT coming back to Amerika or the EU. Never.
This propaganda spew is not worth the time to read.
JuanP on Sat, 27th Jun 2020 6:45 pm
Mak, China produces cheap plastic things, furniture, and low quality electronics. Quality comes from Germany not Asia.
SocialRevolutionComing on Sat, 27th Jun 2020 6:50 pm
I was about to make a comment, but then I realized I don’t give a shit anymore.
makati1 on Sat, 27th Jun 2020 6:57 pm
Davy, almost all of the electronics you use comes from China. Maybe not the case, but the electronic parts. Not to mention most of your drugs and even parts for your vehicle, if you have any. You should read labels and get educated before you open that pie hole. But then, you just like to stir up shit because you like the smell.
I could go on and list the thousands of “things” you use that come from China, but you will just ignore them and I have better things to do that argue with idiots. The site seems to be populated with a few idiots, without a life, that pretend to be many others. Still no sign of intelligence among all the socks. Sigh!
JuanP on Sat, 27th Jun 2020 7:05 pm
Mak, do you have any references for that? Almost all is a big deal. I think you are exaggerating. You do that a lot and talk out your ass.
mak if i were u i would try penis attachment surgery lik cut off ur small peen and attach a dead blk man big peen on Sat, 27th Jun 2020 7:12 pm
ur gona die anyways time to try sometin new bro
makati1 on Sat, 27th Jun 2020 11:11 pm
Davy, I will not bother to ref something so obvious. Just read the labels on the junk you have and see for yourself.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/821092/united-states-imports-from-china-by-product/
Amerika makes nothing but trouble and debt.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 1:53 am
“Davy, almost all of the electronics you use comes from China. Maybe not the case, but the electronic parts.“
Not really. The machines and technology with which the Chinese make their electronic gadgets, without exception, comes from “postage stamp country” Holland.
Suplise!
https://youtu.be/jL3TYXr52BY
If the Dutch government would decide to stop exporting these machines, the US, Russia, Japan, Korea and China would fall back to the industrial stone age.
China is an admirable producer country, an inventing country not so much. They have yet to produce a car or plane with which they can compete on world markets.
There is only one Technology Central on this planet and that is Europe, the continent of Archimedes, Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Bohr, Planck and so on:
https://www.famousscientists.org/popular/
No mr Ding Dong or mr Ping Pong as of yet.
Sorry.
(Come on makati, finally admit you have at least some Asian blood, that would explain your feverish anti-Americanism)
joe on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 2:20 am
SocialRevolutionComing on Sat, 27th Jun 2020 6:50 pm
I was about to make a comment, but then I realized I don’t give a shit anymore”
Nihilism, the resting place of communism.
Theres hope in Jesus
Theedrich on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 2:25 am
So the Ayrab News is worried about “right-wing anti-immigrant political groups.” Especially the anti-immigrant part. Another ridiculous worry. The German Bundesverfassungsgericht (Federal Constitutional Court) and Angela Sauer-Merkel have made Deutschland into a suicidal dictatorship far more oppressive than anything Adolf is supposed to have overseen. Macron and his commissars have done the same in Frankreich.
Mak is right about U.S. dependence on China. Even the electronics that go into the Military-Industrial complex’s most advanced fighter, the F-35, are made in Chinkland. In addition, the mega-corporations all depend on ChiCom slave labor. The hysteria about China’s sinfulness (Hong Kong, Uighurs, &c.) is little more than (mainly Republican) diversionary blather to take the mind of the masses off of 𝕮𝖔𝖔𝖓 𝕷𝖎𝖛𝖊𝖘 𝕸𝖆𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 riots.
Ditto for the rest of U.S. vassals. If the place of manufacture of everything exported from China were to be shifted to, say, Mexico, there would be instantaneous collapse. Shipping would have to be totally reorganized, the intelligence level of the workers would decrease and the quality of output would suffer accordingly. A vast number of other issues would be thrown into chaos, besides the fact that a poorer China would likely become extremely dangerous. Never mind the complete economic and political confusion the U.S. would face.
We are free-falling off a Seneca cliff. Hence the sudden $trillions of Monopoly money, a desperate attempt to postpone the inevitable for a bit longer, at least until after the quadrennial November elections. In any case, “decoupling” is impossible for the zillion-tentacled U.S.
Also, Georg Sörös and friends would lose too much money.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 2:35 am
“Nihilism, the resting place of communism.
Theres hope in Jesus”
Jesus himself was a nihilist.
“Het Oog omhoog, het hart naar boven, hier beneden is het niet!“
(Eye and head upwards, it is not down here)
Translation: life on earth sucks, heaven is the real deal.
But… the earth is very real, the heaven not so much…. unless you create one yourself.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 4:02 am
English religeous Elite about to commit total surrender:
“Archbishop of Canterbury says portrayal of Jesus as White should be reconsidered“
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/27/uk/justin-welby-jesus-scli-intl-gbr/index.html
As Nietzsche already pointed out, Christianity is corruption to the core.
That’s why joe esquire his tribe wants us to adhere to it, so we remain weak sheep.
joe on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 4:19 am
Yeah. Jesus was a jew, a semitic guy like same genetics as Arabs. You know, white/ lite skin, sometimes blonde hair, sometimes even red! Oh wait that’s not fitting in the current fashion for jewification of whites. What colour are native germans? Oh right, the nazis were white, germans are marked for death. It is written…
joe on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 4:22 am
Also theres about 10 people left in the Anglican church. I’m surprised they still claim even to believe in God. They are communists now after all.
joe on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 6:11 am
Sleepy Joe cant remember who committed treason, him or Obama.
“Files unsealed in the final stages of Michael Flynn’s years-long court struggle reveal a real stunner — confirmation that President Barack Obama played a central role in foisting the whole phony Russiagate “scandal” on the country.”
https://nypost.com/2020/06/27/fresh-evidence-obama-ordered-up-the-phony-russiagate-scandal/
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 6:50 am
About the author:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafed_Al-Ghwell
This not “Arab news” but news FOR Arab consumption from a globalist perspective, written by some westernized Arab.
The article makes some sense though. The old US idea that China is going to be the world’s manufacturer within a US-lead framework, that’s obsolete. China is way too strong for that. Instead China is indeed the world’s manufacturer of anything within the €1-€1000 range, but intends to play an independent role within a multi-polar world order. Not only that, it is actively trying to circumvent Anglo-Zionist supremacy, by flirting with Europe with its New Silk Road overland geopolitical strategy, deeply anti-Anglo.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 7:05 am
Merkel announces end of US as a global power, calls for EU army, as Macron had done before here:
https://www.infowars.com/merkel-europe-should-brace-for-a-reality-in-which-us-no-longer-a-world-power/
MERKEL: EUROPE SHOULD BRACE FOR A REALITY IN WHICH US NO LONGER A WORLD POWER
Trump’s withdrawal of troops from Germany alarming European globalists
Forget about “European globalists” being “alarmed”, that’s merely an Alex Jones wet dream. Europe has ruled the world for centuries and is absolutely able to play its part in the upcoming multi-polar world, dominated by Greater Europe and China.
The EU needs an army for:
– protecting white South-Africans against genocide
– liberate white Americans from Washington
– throw Turkey back over the Bosporus
– keep China in check
– destroy invader boats coming from Africa
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 7:16 am
There goes “John Wayne airport”:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8467221/John-Wayne-Airport-targeted-change-racist-homophobic-comments.html
John Wayne, you see, was a “racist” and a “poofterphobe”. Can’t have that in the New America.
Davy on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 7:40 am
“Merkel announces end of US as a global power, calls for EU army, as Macron had done before here”
More impotent Euro committee talk. The Euro army fantasy will go nowhere. Euros can’t fight anymore they don’t have the stomach for it. They will follow the Americans or jump in bed with the Russians but still follow like good children do.
Davy on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 7:43 am
BALKANIZATION
“Corona-Depression: Southern Europe Will Never Recover”
https://www.unz.com/gdurocher/corona-depression-southern-europe-will-never-recover/
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/corona-depression-southern-europe-will-never-recover
“Bad news for southern Europe. It looks like coronavirus will further entrench the European Union’s long-standing disparities between north and south. According to the European Commission’s estimates, the economies of Italy, Spain, and Greece will all shrink over 9%. By comparison, the EU average is 7.4%. France will shrink 8.2%, while most Nordic/Germanic countries will shrink less than 6.5% (that’s Germany, the Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Finland). EU unemployment expected to rise from 6.7% to to 9% this year. Unemployment will rise to 9.7% in Portugal, 10.1% in France, 11.8% in Italy, 18.9% in Spain, and 19.9% in Greece. Germany will have 4%. Deficits are going through the roof, from 0.6% of GDP in 2019 to 8.3% this year. Debt will rise to over102% of GDP, with huge disparities: over 115% for Spain and France, and almost 160% for Italy and 200% for Greece. By contrast, Germany’s debt will rise to 75% of GDP and Great Britain’s to 102%. In terms of jobs and debt reduction, all of the hard-won gains of the past five years or so have been annihilated.”
Davy on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 7:47 am
“Taking The PiS… Trump Embraces Poland To Spite Germany And Russia”
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/06/26/taking-pis-trump-embraces-poland-to-spite-germany-and-russia/
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/taking-pis-trump-embraces-poland-spite-germany-and-russia
“President Trump laid out his rationale while hosting his Polish counterpart at the White House. President Andrzej Duda who is allied with the ruling Law and Justice Party (PiS) was on his third visit to the White House this week since Donald Trump took office. He is the first foreign leader to be received in Pennsylvania Avenue since the pandemic lockdown. For such an honor, Trump readily explained that the purpose of his Polish embrace was to spite both Germany and Russia. He confirmed the planned removal of U.S. troops from German soil, which he announced last week, and said some of those units would be going to Poland. “We’re going to be reducing our forces in Germany. Some will be coming home and some will be going to other places, but Poland would be one of those other places,” said Trump at a press briefing at the White House with Duda. He said that would send “a very strong signal to Russia”. The Kremlin responded that such a move would violate the 1997 Russia-NATO Founding Act. Moscow has previously protested deployment of U.S. troops in Poland on a rotational basis. Now the American forces seem to be setting up permanent bases. Trump repeated his accusation that Germany was “delinquent” in its military spending on the NATO alliance. “Poland is one of the few countries that are fulfilling their obligations under NATO, in particular their monetary obligations,” said Trump. “And they asked us if we would send some additional troops. They’re going to pay for that. They’ll be paying for the sending of additional troops, and we’’ll probably be moving them from Germany to Poland. We’re going to be reducing Germany very substantially.”
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 8:27 am
“More impotent Euro committee talk. The Euro army fantasy will go nowhere. Euros can’t fight anymore they don’t have the stomach for it.“
More wishful thinking from a dying empire. Should you not be defending some statue, somewhere, or are you in the toppling business yourself, being in solidarity with the darkies, the anti-racist that you are?
http://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/alltimegold.html
Center of the planet, except for that brief kosher Anglo-Soviet intermezzo, that, thank God, is now coming to an end.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 9:21 am
Anglosphere – the descent from global hegemon to poofter champ:
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/regenbogen-fahne-botschaften-trotzen-kreml-kritik-a-0821bde9-c14b-4e7b-b91d-3879102d9655
One wonders what the lgbt-hating Poles really think of their new found Trump occupation force.
FamousDrScanlon on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 9:32 am
Mak, I don’t believe you.
If you really had “better things to do that argue with idiots” you would not have spent the last 7-10 years on this site repeatably claiming you have “better things to do that argue with idiots”.
zero juan on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 9:59 am
Juan, you have no farm and do no yoga. You are a mentally ill fuck who trolls the entire day. The evidence is on this forum for everyone to see. What a miserable fool living a life of fantasy. Here is your attempt on the moderated side to look respectable. LMFAO!!
Re: Opening Up the Economy Pt. 2
by JuanP » Sun 28 Jun 2020, 08:33:01
https://peakoil.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1452808#p1452808
I drove by a testing place on my way to the farm this morning and the line was almost 4 blocks long at 5:15 am. I had never before seen anyone in line that early in the morning. It was pretty amazing. The City of Miami Beach is closing the beaches for the July 4th weekend for 4 days; I don’t know if other Miami-Dade County beaches will be closed. They will probably cancel most fireworks displays, too, I guess. Boating ramps are still open and overflowing with full parking spaces and people waiting in line outside in blocks long queues to get in at 8 am; I have never seen the ramps so busy before.
The Yoga studios where I practice are struggling to survive, including one which is considered the best in Miami-Dade County. They reopened about 4 weeks ago with new capacity, operating and distancing rules. There is no hanging out inside before or after the classes. The door opens five minutes before the classes start and closes five minutes after the classes end; normally people hang out there for up to an hour before and/or after class. The number of people allowed is about 1/4, the schedule of classes has been reduced drastically, reservations are online, and still a lot of the classes get cancelled for lack of students, and most times there are only 4 or 5 people instead of the typical 30-40. The bathrooms are locked and you can’t shower, pee, or shit. No massages are available and the juice and coffee bars are closed.
Davy on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 10:04 am
A little taste of the criminal lefts latest strategy for national elections:
“1 In 5 Mail-In Ballots Rejected As 4 Charged With Fraud In New Jersey Election”
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/1-5-mail-ballots-rejected-4-charged-fraud-new-jersey-election
“Following accusations of widespread fraud, voter intimidation, and ballot theft in the May 12 municipal elections in Paterson, N.J., state Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal announced Thursday he is charging four men with voter fraud – including the vice president of the City Council and a candidate for that body. “Today’s charges send a clear message: if you try to tamper with an election in New Jersey, we will find you and we will hold you accountable,” Grewal said in a statement. “We will not allow a small number of criminals to undermine the public’s confidence in our democratic process.” Paterson City Councilman Michael Jackson, 48, Councilman-Elect Alex Mendez, 45, Shelim Khalique, 51, and Abu Razyen, 21, were charged with crimes including fraud in casting mail-in votes, unauthorized possession of ballots, and tampering with public records. Paterson’s City Council members aren’t officially affiliated with a political party. Jackson faces up to 16 years and six months in prison, Mendez faces up to 31 years and six months in jail, and the other two men also face jail time if convicted. With races still undecided, control of the council hangs in the balance. Paterson is New Jersey’s third largest city and the election will decide the fate of a municipal budget in excess of $300 million, in addition to hundreds of millions more in education spending and state aid. In the City Council election, 16,747 vote-by-mail ballots were received, but only 13,557 votes were counted. More than 3,190 votes, 19% of the total ballots cast, were disqualified by the board of elections. Due to the pandemic, Paterson’s election was done through vote-by-mail. Community organizations, such as the city’s NAACP chapter, are calling for the entire election to be invalidated. Mail-in ballots have long been acknowledged by voting experts to be more susceptible to fraud and irregularities than in-person voting. This has raised concerns from President Trump and other Republicans about the integrity of national elections in November, which are expected to include a dramatic increase in mail-in ballots. If Paterson is any guide, it ought to concern Democrats as well.”
Davy on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 10:10 am
The criminal left is using the young, white and blind lying liberals as foot soldiers to promote the woke ident politics ripping this country apart. This is a major crime IMO. It is a small amount of the population making all the noise:
Who Are America’s Racial Equality Protestors?
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/22107.jpeg
More Trolling and Sock Puppetry From Davy the Board Lunatic on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 10:24 am
FamousDrScanlon on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 9:32 am
zero juan on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 9:59 am
joe on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 10:57 am
Why did Susan Rice post the phone number to the suicide awareness hotline the day after peter stroke notes from the meeting he had where Obama asks the FBI to continue investigating the Trump Whitehouse despite the fact he was told there was no evidence to do so. No wonder Trump asked Comey about loyalty, the honorable answer was ‘sorry sir I cant serve you loyally, I serve the last president still, I was hoping I could be serving Hillary now but I guess the American people voted differently and you won the majority of electoral collage votes under the system I swore to defend, so now I have to resign, oh by the way, we broke the law on FISA warrants using a fake dossier Hillary paid a foreign spy for, and I’ve been asked to keep secretly investigating you because Obama and Hillary and even John mcCain cant accept your victory’
Have you guys any idea how fucked up that is.
Davy on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 10:58 am
I hate that juanPee can keep posting comments over in the intelligent moderated section. And there’s nothing I can do about him ignoring me. It’s like being bitten by a swarm of pesky gnats with my legs bound and my hands tied firmly behind my back.
The missouri.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 11:00 am
Trump is a closet white nationalist, here the proof. His party doesn’t like that (unlike Trump’s supporters), Trump paddles back:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8467959/Trump-posts-video-supporter-yelling-white-power-claims-stopped-statue-vandalism.html
“Donald Trump deletes tweet of video showing one of his supporters yelling ‘white power’ at a Florida retirement village after backlash from members of his own party as he arrives at his Virginia golf course”
Duncan Idaho on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 11:07 am
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore-And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over-like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?
-Langston Hughes
Duncan Idaho on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 11:16 am
“We’ve shown extraordinary patience with the stupids, the evangelicals, the Trumpers, the Bush/Cheney/Reagan/O’Reilly/Limbaugh/Pat Buchanan assholes who still are slithering in and out of the Trump snake pit, the NRA weasels, the amoral corporate scumbags, the Wall Streeters, the “moderate” Republicans (an oxymoron even morons should recognize), the vacillating and too-timid Democrats, the trailer park poor, far too many union members, and so many others who have decided that government of the dipshits, by the racists, and for the rich and powerful is the way we have rolled and should continue to roll. God willing, and with the Second Amendment as backup.”
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 11:44 am
“We’ve shown extraordinary patience with the stupids, the evangelicals, the Trumpers, the Bush/Cheney/Reagan/O’Reilly/Limbaugh/Pat Buchanan assholes who still are slithering in and out of the Trump snake pit, the NRA weasels, the amoral corporate scumbags, the Wall Streeters, the “moderate” Republicans (an oxymoron even morons should recognize), the vacillating and too-timid Democrats, the trailer park poor, far too many union members, and so many others who have decided that government of the dipshits, by the racists, and for the rich and powerful is the way we have rolled and should continue to roll. God willing, and with the Second Amendment as backup.”
And then they came for Duncan.
zero juan on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 11:51 am
MY FUCKING GOD, LMFAO, zero juan is acting like he does anything but troll all day long. I am sure he is living off daddy’s monthly stipend. Check out these lies from zero juan on the moderated side. What a lying uneducated fool!! The part I have issue with is this : “Those executives should learn what blisters, sore muscles, and an honest day of work are.” Somehow this fuck thinks he does anything but get blisters from his keyboard!
“Re: Opening Up the Economy Pt. 2
Unread postby JuanP » Sun 28 Jun 2020, 11:21:29
https://peakoil.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1452818#p1452818
vtsnowedin wrote:
I’m not suggesting we should feather bed obsolete jobs indefinitely but we do need to think about the transition and do it in a way that doesn’t kill a lot of people while they wait for that new job to come along.
I don’t have a whole lot of good answers up my sleeve but I’m pretty sure making a lot of executives rich as their employees go to the poor house is not the way we should go about it.
I’m sure the democrats will promise to make it all better but I’m reasonably sure, based on past experience, they will fall far short of delivering on their promises.
JuanP wrote:
Who said anything about making a lot of executives rich? I didn’t. All those losing their jobs should get just enough unemployment benefits to provide for their basic survival needs like food, water, basic shelter, training in something useful, and healthcare. No golden parachutes for anyone. Those executives should learn what blisters, sore muscles, and an honest day of work are.”
joe on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 11:52 am
Trumpy should stop trolling the left. Youd almost think hes encourages the response hes getting. Hmmm
Makes you think…..
Or if your a libtard blue pilled blm supporter maybe not.
Davy on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 11:54 am
JuanP on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 10:58 am
“I hate that juanPee can keep posting comments over in the intelligent moderated section. And there’s nothing I can do about him ignoring me. It’s like being bitten by a swarm of pesky gnats with my legs bound and my hands tied firmly behind my back.
The missouri.”
juanPee, I expose every lie that comes out of your suck. The other day I exposed your lies here for all your peer on the moderated side. Check this out:
JuanP on Sat, 27th Jun 2020 8:07 am
“Wow, my compliments to asg70 on the moderated side!!!!! asg70 cleaned REAL Green Hypocrites clock!!!!! Absolutely beautiful. The DavyTurd’s sick and twisted behavior was exposed for all to see.”
Davy said: LOL, juanPee, do you really think anyone can believe your lies? The obsessive stalker got his clock cleaned on the moderated side. Check this out juanPee’s shit totally exposed to his peers on the moderated side!!
Re: Trump signaling course change on virus Pt. 2
REAL Green » Fri 26 Jun 2020, 15:40:33
https://peakoil.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1452711#p1452711
REAL Green said: Wow, stalkers and hit men are really after REAL Green today!
REAL Green said: First, on the subject of Ghung, I have the highest respect for the guy. A few years ago when I was a newbie to renewables he gave me lots of good advice and got me pointed in the right direction. My homestead is a mirror of his but I focus on animals and he has plants and fish. He is first class. Just because we argue over politics doesn’t mean I do not respect him. It may not be mutual and that is fine. This is just the way I am. I respect talent and intellect. He has both. He can be an asswipe too but that comes with the territory of being smart.
JuanP wrote: GHung, REAL Green is one of Davy’s many aliases.
REAL Green said: I am registered as REAL Green. I have a blog Realgreenadaptation.blog. IMA, you use this ID elsewhere to troll me. I am Davy and or REAL Green on the unmoderated side if anyone cares. Most here don’t care, JuanP. They do not stalk me obsessively like you do. We just argue and debate over here.
JuanP wrote: he has quite a few. You know Davy from the Ozarks in Missouri very well since he has been posting comments on the news side of the website almost daily for years and you had many exchanges with him over the years. He uses many different sock puppets on the news side, but here he posts under his REAL Green identity because this forum side is moderated.
REAL Green said: Let’s clarify something. If I use socks and ID theft over there because for 3 years now you have used them daily against me. There is no way to ignore this. You goal is censorship. You wan to run me off but I deny you the pleasure. BTW, JuanP this is something the moderators do not want discussed over here but since you are on the attack and mentioned it. I have chosen an offensive defense to deal with your trolling. I have told you I will ignore you if you ignore me. You choose not to ignore me and with the ID theft and hostile socks I have no choice but to fight you fire with fire. You are a lunatic as your many socks attest to.
JuanP wrote: Real Green is my ignore list, and I didn’t mean to say he is in my ignore list; I meant he is the one and only person on my list.
REAL Green said: JuanP, how does that work to have an ignore list then tell people about me and I am on your ignore list? I mean a normal person if he ignores somebody, he does not talk about them. This point to the fact that you stalk me obsessively on both sides 20/7 with ID theft, socks, and your own JuanP ID. So what you are saying is the ignore list is just another one of your sock personalities which are fantasies of a multiple personality disorder.
JuanP wrote: I can agree or disagree with others here, but he is the ONLY person whose comments I never read, other than glancing over some of the parts that others here quote when they reply to him.
REAL Green said: you read everything JuanP and often take what is said over here over there. BTW, for everyone’s info JuanP has two suspect sock personalities over here and maybe more. He does not use them much because he spends so much time on the unmoderated side with his many sock puppets
REAL Green said:I knew it would not take long for the Hypocrite’s true ugly side to emerge on the moderated side.
Davy on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 12:03 pm
“Duncan Idaho on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 11:16 am”
“We’ve shown extraordinary patience with the stupids, the evangelicals, the Trumpers, the Bush/Cheney/Reagan/O’Reilly/Limbaugh/Pat Buchanan assholes who still are slithering in and out of the Trump snake pit, the NRA weasels, the amoral corporate scumbags, the Wall Streeters, the “moderate” Republicans (an oxymoron even morons should recognize), the vacillating and too-timid Democrats, the trailer park poor, far too many union members, and so many others who have decided that government of the dipshits, by the racists, and for the rich and powerful is the way we have rolled and should continue to roll. God willing, and with the Second Amendment as backup.”
That comes from the mentally trump deranged woke madman. You are at the age Idaho, where we have to consider if you have Alzheimer’s disease also called senile dementia.
https://myhearingcenters.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/My-Hearing-Centers-Facts-about-Alzheimers-Disease-1-1200×628.jpg
Davy on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 12:07 pm
This is what happens when a BLM enters a neighborhood like Idaho living in:
“Eat The Rich!”: BLM Invades Beverly Hills – Then The Cops Showed Up”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eat-rich-blm-invades-beverly-hills-then-cops-showed
“Black Lives Matter protesters marched through the streets of California’s upscale Beverly Hills Friday night chanting “Eat the rich!” and “Abolish capitalism now!” – only to be confronted by the police, as reported by the Daily Wire. Black Lives Matter mob shouts “eat the rich” as they march down a residential area in Beverly Hills. They’re coming for your homes.pic.twitter.com/gs5Hszjb7m…The unlawful assembly in the area of Rexford Dr & Carmelita Ave has ended with arrests being made. Protesters have now left the City…The Black Lives Matter mob shut down Santa Monica Boulevard, Rodeo Drive, and intersections around the city center. They don’t want you to do business. pic.twitter.com/3C2kt7cSZI…The police showed up in full force to arrest members of the Black Lives Matter mob making a nuisance of themselves across residential Los Angeles streets. One pretended to be injured by the police and forced them to drag him. pic.twitter.com/9hBjv4og8M— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) June 27, 2020 Several weeks ago, Beverly Hills officials issued an order limiting gatherings to 10 people or less “between the hours of 9 p.m. and 8 a.m.,” defining an assembly as “any gathering or group of 10 or more people on a public street, sidewalk or other public space if those 10 people have a common purpose of goal.” Of course, none of that’s being enforced until BLM sets foot in posh Beverly Hills.”
Davy on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 12:13 pm
More crimes from the criminal left MSM, the ones Idaho tunes in to:
“All Players In The NYT ‘Russian Bounties’ In Afghanistan Story Have Slammed It As Fake News”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/all-players-nyt-russian-bounties-afghanistan-story-have-slammed-it-fake-news
“Some are calling it a last ditch attempt to keep Russiagate alive ahead of November. The New York Times on Friday said Russian intelligence officers have been offering Taliban militants cash rewards to kill American and British soldiers. In the past two days the claims by the usual anonymous US intelligence officials have crisscrossed the mainstream media, with more “confirmation” offered by… more anonymous intelligence officials. Of course Russia promptly denied it, but more importantly the White House vehemently rejected the report as “fake news” with the president and his aides saying they’ve never seen such intelligence crossing the president’s desk… And rounding things out the Taliban registered its denial as well, meaning that every major player in the NY Times story has now said the story is nonsense. “We categorically reject the notion of ever planning or carrying out targeted attacks against US or foreign forces at the behest of foreign intelligence or for the sake of collecting bounty, and we also reject receiving material support,” a Taliban statement said. Recall that the initial NYT report suggested the White House had indeed been briefed. Again it’s unthinkable that an alleged Russian operation this explosive could be hidden from the commander-in-chief or top executive branch intel officials or National Security Council staff. The Times also assumes this when it said: The officials familiar with the intelligence did not explain the White House delay in deciding how to respond to the intelligence about Russia. While some of his closest advisers, like Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, have counseled more hawkish policies toward Russia, Mr. Trump has adopted an accommodating stance toward Moscow.”
Davy on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 12:41 pm
I hate that juanPee can keep posting comments over in the intelligent moderated section. And there’s nothing I can do about him ignoring me. It’s like being bitten by a swarm of pesky gnats with my legs bound and my hands tied firmly behind my back.
Your makin me crazy jaunPeeeePeeeeeeeeeeee!
Davy on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 12:45 pm
“China Unveils World’s First Robotic And Contactless Restaurant”
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/china-unveils-worlds-first-robotic-and-contactless-restaurant
“As the virus pandemic continues to rage, robot-run restaurants are taking off across the world. We noted Friday, fast-food chain Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) debuted the “restaurant of the future,” where automation and food lockers dominate the storefront. The pandemic has undoubtedly accelerated the automation phase of restaurants worldwide – recent studies we’ve cited indicate that robots and artificial intelligence will displace tens of millions of jobs by 2030.”
REAL Dumb on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 1:03 pm
“Your makin me crazy jaunPeeeePeeeeeeeeeeee!”
JuanP is not responsable for are lunacy Davy.
Anonymouse on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 1:44 pm
You need to be in a mental institution exceptionaltard. Your endless ranting, and stalking, is not normal behavior. At least, not for us humans it isnt. Why dont you call that mental health line Mak was good enough to link for you, and arrange to have them come pick you up.
Alternately, you can keep up the fake ‘JuanP’ business in moderated forum, and eventually get your dumb and worthless ass banned for good.
That would work too. Then you could sit in your shack and mutter at your Iphone all day long for all we care.
supertards please relax be strong theres no beervirus there is only muzzie love the media lies its an entertainment complex and nothing more on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 1:53 pm
remember there’s only one thing that’s muzzies lives matter of MLM
Anonymouse on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 1:53 pm
You and I need to be in a mental institution JuanP. Our endless ranting, and stalking, is not normal behavior. At least, not for us humans it isnt. Why dont you call that mental health line Mak was good enough to link for you, and arrange to have them come pick you up.
Alternately, you can keep up the fake ‘JuanP’ business in moderated forum, and eventually get your dumb and worthless ass banned for good.
That would work too. Then you could sit in your shack and mutter at your Iphone all day long for all we care.
remember there’s only one thing that’s muzzies lives matter of MLM on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 1:54 pm
supertards please relax be strong theres no beervirus there is only muzzie love the media lies its an entertainment complex and nothing more
FamousDrScanlon on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 1:55 pm
“Your makin me crazy jaunPeeeePeeeeeeeeeeee!”
JuanP is not responsable for are lunacy Anonymouse.
Cloggie on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 1:56 pm
“China Unveils World’s First Robotic And Contactless Restaurant”
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/china-unveils-worlds-first-robotic-and-contactless-restaurant
“As the virus pandemic continues to rage, robot-run restaurants are taking off across the world. We noted Friday, fast-food chain Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) debuted the “restaurant of the future,” where automation and food lockers dominate the storefront. The pandemic has undoubtedly accelerated the automation phase of restaurants worldwide – recent studies we’ve cited indicate that robots and artificial intelligence will displace tens of millions of jobs by 2030.”
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 28th Jun 2020 3:00 pm
Hear, hear!
https://twitter.com/TONYxTWO/status/1275051388431667200