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The United States of America Is Decadent and Depraved
In The History of the Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire, Edward Gibbon luridly evokes the Rome of 408 A.D., when the armies of the Goths prepared to descend upon the city. The marks of imperial decadence appeared not only in grotesque displays of public opulence and waste, but also in the collapse of faith in reason and science. The people of Rome, Gibbon writes, fell prey to “a puerile superstition” promoted by astrologers and to soothsayers who claimed “to read in the entrails of victims the signs of future greatness and prosperity.”
Would a latter-day Gibbon describe today’s America as “decadent”? I recently heard a prominent, and pro-American, French thinker (who was speaking off the record) say just that. He was moved to use the word after watching endless news accounts of U.S. President Donald Trump’s tweets alternate with endless revelations of sexual harassment. I flinched, perhaps because a Frenchman accusing Americans of decadence seems contrary to the order of nature. And the reaction to Harvey Weinstein et al. is scarcely a sign of hysterical puritanism, as I suppose he was implying.
And yet, the shoe fit. The sensation of creeping rot evoked by that word seems terribly apt.
Perhaps in a democracy the distinctive feature of decadence is not debauchery but terminal self-absorption
Perhaps in a democracy the distinctive feature of decadence is not debauchery but terminal self-absorption
— the loss of the capacity for collective action, the belief in common purpose, even the acceptance of a common form of reasoning. We listen to necromancers who prophesy great things while they lead us into disaster. We sneer at the idea of a “public” and hold our fellow citizens in contempt. We think anyone who doesn’t pursue self-interest is a fool.
We cannot blame everything on Donald Trump, much though we might want to. In the decadent stage of the Roman Empire, or of Louis XVI’s France, or the dying days of the Habsburg Empire so brilliantly captured in Robert Musil’s The Man Without Qualities, decadence seeped downward from the rulers to the ruled. But in a democracy, the process operates reciprocally. A decadent elite licenses degraded behavior, and a debased public chooses its worst leaders. Then our Nero panders to our worst attributes — and we reward him for doing so.
“Decadence,” in short, describes a cultural, moral, and spiritual disorder — the Donald Trump in us. It is the right, of course, that first introduced the language of civilizational decay to American political discourse. A quarter of a century ago, Patrick Buchanan bellowed at the Republican National Convention that the two parties were fighting “a religious war … for the soul of America.” Former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) accused the Democrats of practicing “multicultural nihilistic hedonism,” of despising the values of ordinary Americans, of corruption, and of illegitimacy. That all-accusing voice became the voice of the Republican Party. Today it is not the nihilistic hedonism of imperial Rome that threatens American civilization but the furies unleashed by Gingrich and his kin.
About the Author
James Traub is a contributing editor at Foreign Policy, a fellow at the Center on International Cooperation, and author of the book “John Quincy Adams: Militant Spirit.”
The 2016 Republican primary was a bidding war in which the relatively calm voices — Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio — dropped out in the early rounds, while the consummately nasty Ted Cruz duked it out with the consummately cynical Donald Trump. A year’s worth of Trump’s cynicism, selfishness, and rage has only stoked the appetite of his supporters. The nation dodged a bullet last week when a colossal effort pushed Democratic nominee Doug Jones over the top in Alabama’s Senate special election. Nevertheless, the church-going folk of Alabama were perfectly prepared to choose a racist and a pedophile over a Democrat. Republican nominee Roy Moore almost became a senator by orchestrating a hatred of the other that was practically dehumanizing.
Trump functions as the impudent id of this culture of mass contempt
Trump functions as the impudent id of this culture of mass contempt
. Of course he has legitimized the language of xenophobia and racial hatred, but he has also legitimized the language of selfishness. During the campaign, Trump barely even made the effort that Mitt Romney did in 2012 to explain his money-making career in terms of public good. He boasted about the gimmicks he had deployed to avoid paying taxes. Yes, he had piled up debt and walked away from the wreckage he had made in Atlantic City. But it was a great deal for him! At the Democratic convention, then-Vice President Joe Biden recalled that the most terrifying words he heard growing up were, “You’re fired.” Biden may have thought he had struck a crushing blow. Then Americans elected the man who had uttered those words with demonic glee. Voters saw cruelty and naked self-aggrandizement as signs of steely determination.
Perhaps we can measure democratic decadence by the diminishing relevance of the word “we.” It is, after all, a premise of democratic politics that, while majorities choose, they do so in the name of collective good. Half a century ago, at the height of the civil rights era and Lyndon B. Johnson’s Great Society, democratic majorities even agreed to spend large sums not on themselves but on excluded minorities. The commitment sounds almost chivalric today. Do any of our leaders have the temerity even to suggest that a tax policy that might hurt one class — at least, one politically potent class — nevertheless benefits the nation?
There is, in fact, no purer example of the politics of decadence than the tax legislation that the president will soon sign. Of course the law favors the rich; Republican supply-side doctrine argues that tax cuts to the investor class promote economic growth. What distinguishes the current round of cuts from those of either Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush is, first, the way in which they blatantly benefit the president himself through the abolition of the alternative minimum tax and the special treatment of real estate income under new “pass-through” rules. We Americans are so numb by now that we hardly even take note of the mockery this implies of the public servant’s dedication to public good.
Second, and no less extraordinary, is the way the tax cuts have been targeted to help Republican voters and hurt Democrats, above all through the abolition or sharp reduction of the deductibility of state and local taxes. I certainly didn’t vote for Ronald Reagan, but I cannot imagine him using tax policy to reward supporters and punish opponents
I certainly didn’t vote for Ronald Reagan, but I cannot imagine him using tax policy to reward supporters and punish opponents
. He would have thought that grossly unpatriotic. The new tax cuts constitute the economic equivalent of gerrymandering. All parties play that game, it’s true; yet today’s Republicans have carried electoral gerrymandering to such an extreme as to jeopardize the constitutionally protected principle of “one man, one vote.” Inside much of the party, no stigma attaches to the conscious disenfranchisement of Democratic voters. Democrats are not “us.”
Finally, the tax cut is an exercise in willful blindness. The same no doubt could be said for the 1981 Reagan tax cuts, which predictably led to unprecedented deficits when Republicans as well as Democrats balked at making offsetting budget cuts. Yet at the time a whole band of officials in the White House and the Congress clamored, in some cases desperately, for such reductions. They accepted a realm of objective reality that existed separately from their own wishes. But in 2017, when the Congressional Budget Office and other neutral arbiters concluded that the tax cuts would not begin to pay for themselves, the White House and congressional leaders simply dismissed the forecasts as too gloomy.
Here is something genuinely new about our era: We lack not only a sense of shared citizenry or collective good, but even a shared body of fact or a collective mode of reasoning toward the truth
We lack not only a sense of shared citizenry or collective good, but even a shared body of fact or a collective mode of reasoning toward the truth
. A thing that we wish to be true is true; if we wish it not to be true, it isn’t. Global warming is a hoax. Barack Obama was born in Africa. Neutral predictions of the effects of tax cuts on the budget must be wrong, because the effects they foresee are bad ones.
It is, of course, our president who finds in smoking entrails the proof of future greatness and prosperity. The reduction of all disagreeable facts and narratives to “fake news” will stand as one of Donald Trump’s most lasting contributions to American culture, far outliving his own tenure. He has, in effect, pressed gerrymandering into the cognitive realm. Your story fights my story; if I can enlist more people on the side of my story, I own the truth. And yet Trump is as much symptom as cause of our national disorder. The Washington Post recently reported that officials at the Center for Disease Control were ordered not to use words like “science-based,” apparently now regarded as disablingly left-leaning. But further reporting in the New York Times appears to show that the order came not from White House flunkies but from officials worried that Congress would reject funding proposals marred by the offensive terms. One of our two national political parties — and its supporters — now regards “science” as a fighting word. Where is our Robert Musil, our pitiless satirist and moralist, when we need him (or her)?
A democratic society becomes decadent when its politics, which is to say its fundamental means of adjudication, becomes morally and intellectually corrupt. But the loss of all regard for common ground is hardly limited to the political right, or for that matter to politics. We need only think of the ever-unfolding narrative of Harvey Weinstein, which has introduced us not only to one monstrous individual but also to a whole world of well-educated, well-paid, highly regarded professionals who made a very comfortable living protecting that monster. “When you quickly settle, there is no need to get into all the facts,” as one of his lawyers delicately advised.
This is, of course, what lawyers do, just as accountants are paid to help companies move their profits into tax-free havens. What is new and distinctive, however, is the lack of apology or embarrassment, the sheer blitheness of the contempt for the public good. When Teddy Roosevelt called the monopolists of his day “malefactors of great wealth,” the epithet stung — and stuck. Now the bankers and brokers and private equity barons who helped drive the nation’s economy into a ditch in 2008 react with outrage when they’re singled out for blame. Being a “wealth creator” means never having to say you’re sorry. Enough voters accept this proposition that Donald Trump paid no political price for unapologetic greed.
The worship of the marketplace, and thus the elevation of selfishness to a public virtue, is a doctrine that we associate with the libertarian right. But it has coursed through the culture as a self-justifying ideology for rich people of all political persuasions — perhaps also for people who merely dream of becoming rich.
Decadence is usually understood as an irreversible condition — the last stage before collapse. The court of Muhammad Shah, last of the Mughals to control the entirety of their empire, lost itself in music and dance while the Persian army rode toward the Red Fort. But as American decadence is distinctive, perhaps America’s fate may be, too. Even if it is written in the stars that China will supplant the United States as the world’s greatest power, other empires, Britain being the most obvious example and the one democracy among them, have surrendered the role of global hegemon without sliding into terminal decadence.
Can the United States emulate the stoic example of the country it once surpassed? I wonder.
Can the United States emulate the stoic example of the country it once surpassed? I wonder.
The British have the gift of ironic realism. When the time came to exit the stage, they shuffled off with a slightly embarrassed shrug. That, of course, is not the American way. When the stage manager beckons us into the wings we look for someone to hit — each other, or immigrants or Muslims or any other kind of not-us. Finding the reality of our situation inadmissible, like the deluded courtiers of the Shah of Iran, we slide into a malignant fantasy.
But precisely because we are a democracy, because the values and the mental habits that define us move upward from the people as well as downward from their leaders, that process need not be inexorable. The prospect of sending Roy Moore to the Senate forced a good many conservative Republicans into what may have been painful acts of self-reflection. The revelations of widespread sexual abuse offer an opportunity for a cleansing moment of self-recognition — at least if we stop short of the hysterical overreaction that seems to govern almost everything in our lives.
Our political elite will continue to gratify our worst impulses so long as we continue to be governed by them. The only way back is to reclaim the common ground — political, moral, and even cognitive — that Donald Trump has lit on fire. Losing to China is hardly the worst thing that could happen to us. Losing ourselves is.
137 Comments on "The United States of America Is Decadent and Depraved"
Makati1 on Mon, 25th Dec 2017 6:35 pm
Gee! Where did I just see that title? LMAO
Cloggie on Mon, 25th Dec 2017 7:08 pm
Oh my, a “New York intellectual” attacking the president of European America, what else is new. At least the Traubster jabs against co-tribalist Harvey Weinstein as well. Don’t do this to yourself, James.
DerHundistlos on Mon, 25th Dec 2017 7:24 pm
This article exemplifies why Democratic politicians must learn to fight the Republicans with the same win at any cost tactics, instead of always waiting for a public epiphany that sees through the mean-spirited, zero-sum politics of the Republican party.
Makati1 on Mon, 25th Dec 2017 7:42 pm
“…why don’t Americans understand how poor their lives have become?”
“So just as Americans don’t get how bad their lives really are, comparatively speaking — which is to say how good they could be — so too Europeans don’t fully understand how good their lives are — and how bad, if they continue to follow in America’s footsteps, austerity by austerity, they could be. Both appear to be blind to one another’s mistakes and successes.”
https://popularresistance.org/what-do-you-call-a-world-that-cant-learn-from-itself/
“There is a myth of exceptionalism in America that prevents it from looking outward, and learning from the world.”
BINGO!
Sissyfuss on Mon, 25th Dec 2017 7:55 pm
Consider this article a Christmas gift, Mak. Or should we call you James Traub? Nice pen name, dude.
Bloomer on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 12:34 am
The Robber barons are clearly at the helm. However, they will be the architect of their own demise. Problem is as we have learn from history it ends ugly with financial panic and possibly war. If the missles are launched I hope I am at the epicenter of the first city that is incinerated.
Makati1 on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 1:53 am
Sissy, I laughed when I saw it here. I had read it the day before. Not that some here will take it seriously. They are too delusional and confrontational. But, it is so true.
Jh wyoming on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 2:45 am
Derhun, you nailed it. Exactly my same opinion.
Theedrich on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 3:24 am
The Brits could be “stoic” because of America. By themselves they are nothing but blowhards unable to function without external support. To this day they rely on their “special relationship” with the anglophone U.S. to keep them afloat. But Jimmy Traub is simply regurgitating the usual anti-White, hate-filled blather of his Tribe, which views itself as the Master Race. He and his fellow tribesmembers want nothing less than the extinction of the White race, which they have been demonizing ever since they chose Yahweh.
Once we rid ourselves of all the religious tripe from the Middle East, we can adapt ourselves to the needs of Gaia as she requires. But until that time, the name of the game will be suicide, as directed by the Traub tribe.
Davy on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 5:14 am
This is an interesting but extremist and exaggerated article. People here fail to see how in the US being critical of ourselves is part of the fabric. You don’t see this at all in Asia and much less in Europe. If you don’t know you have a problem you can’t work on the problem. Take mad kat and other extremist here who never look in the mirror as an example of entrenched hypocrisy.
Davy on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 5:19 am
“This article exemplifies why Democratic politicians must learn to fight the Republicans with the same win at any cost tactics”
LOL, der hund, this means trying to nullify the election through political corruption? It is all coming to light now what the Obama administration and Hillary together with the MSM and intelligence services were up to during this election. WOW, lets win at any cost, ”break the law” to save the country. No wonder the Democrats are a total failure these days.
deadly on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 5:27 am
Oh for Christ’s sake. Doesn’t matter who, people become decadent and depraved. It has been happening for eons.
Jesus H. Christ on a Crutch, there is nothing new under the sun.
Stupid schmuck should know better.
Give me a fucking break, Good God Almighty.
baha on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 6:27 am
This will be our undoing.
Show me one narcissist who grows his own food. Dependency requires cooperation.
Makati1 on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 7:12 am
baha, you are correct. Survival is only going to happen in a tight community. Individualism is not going to work for long.
Davy on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 8:03 am
Right mad kat and this is why your fantasy farm is going to be overrun by bands of young Filipinos hungry and desperate. They will be the tight community overrunning your small individualism of your fantasy farm. SCREWED
MASTERMIND on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 9:18 am
Bloomingdale’s Santa Detects Surge in Stressed-Out Adults
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-22/bloomingdale-s-santa-claus-detects-surge-in-stressed-out-adults
Santa knows…
MASTERMIND on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 9:24 am
They have it all set up now..To take the grids down in a faux terror EMP attack and blame it on NK…Then there will be plenty of oil for the world to use for another 20 years..US economic problems solved, angry US population neutralized.
https://imgur.com/a/DVSNt
Dredd on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 9:38 am
“In the Study Toynbee examined the rise and fall of 26 civilizations in the course of human history, and he concluded that they rose by responding successfully to challenges under the leadership of creative minorities composed of elite leaders. Civilizations declined when their leaders stopped responding creatively, and the civilizations then sank owing to the sins of nationalism, militarism, and the tyranny of a despotic minority. Unlike Spengler in his The Decline of the West, Toynbee did not regard the death of a civilization as inevitable, for it may or may not continue to respond to successive challenges. Unlike Karl Marx, he saw history as shaped by spiritual, not economic forces” …
(Etiology of Social Dementia – 18).
Anonymouse1 on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 1:49 pm
I wouldn’t be flinging poo like that exceptionalist. You and your make-believe ‘farm’ in your fetid, backwater swamp are not going fare any better. You know, that ‘farm’ (aka goat pen), that you never actually do any work on as you spend *all* of your time on the internet ranting about mak, the Philippines and China. Usually in that order.
Davy on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 1:55 pm
Mouse1, Did you come back to get slapped around again. I sure too care of you good last time you challenged me. Lol. You are dumb as a box of rocks.
DerHundistlos on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 3:22 pm
Davy is on a new make-believe Republican generated scandal just as he did with Pizzagate (the Democrats were operating a pedophilia club in New York) and Seth Rich (Seth was assassinated by his own Democratic party). His source for the newest bullshit is none other than a right-wing rag. Oh I forgot, Davy says he’s always objective and unbiased.
Speaking of pedophilia, here’s a news report with verifiable sources:
Watch the shocking Discovery Channel/BBC/ITN documentary posted to YouTube titled, “Conspiracy of Silence” about the widespread sexual abuse of the boys at Boys’ Town by numerous national Republican politicians and wealthy financial donors (Note: my cousin was sexually abused by these perverts when he was 14/15 and was so disturbed that he committed suicide at age 17- he was bright, athletic, kind, and good looking with his whole life in front of him). You will hear former Republican Nebraska State Senator and chairman of the state committee charged with investigating the affair, Loran Schmit, state that the pedophilia reached the highest levels of the Republican Party. Despite tremendous pressure from the Reagan Whitehouse and RNC to bury the scandal, Senator Schmit refused to be intimidated. The senator was so shocked and disgusted by the findings of the investigative committee that he resigned from the Republican party and returned to farming. Thank you, Senator Schmit, for your integrity.
The Republican National Committee attempted to whitewash the Boys’ Town scandal by purchasing the documentary’s publication rights for a monumental sum; fortunately, a few copies were leaked before the evidence could be destroyed. Sadly, few people are aware of the Boys’ Town tragedy, which is why I am doing everything possible to make the public aware of the facts.
Here is the YouTube address for the documentary, “Conspiracy of Silence” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DquLnRycZms
DerHundistlos on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 3:24 pm
@ JH wyoming
Great minds think alike!!!!!
Davy on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 4:03 pm
Der Hund, you are fascinated by pedophilia. That could be a sign of a problem. Just saying
Makati1 on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 5:15 pm
Davy is blind to his own problems but likes to accuse others of having them. Makes him feel superior, I guess. Americans have to feel superior or they would be unable to cope with life.
Davy on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 5:31 pm
Mad Kat, are you still hurting from the bitch slapping I gave you? I bet it was hard to fall asleep last night after being neutered. You probably should go back to ignoring me because you are really looking stupid.
Makati1 on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 7:14 pm
World War Three
Did you hear about the nuclear war?
It was over by half past four.
Most of the planet
went out the door
in that very short nuclear war.
While some folks were swelling with pride
a couple of billion died.
Bombs and radiation
swept over each nation
in that very brave nuclear war.
The people were dumber than dumb.
They never got rid of The Bomb
so it got rid of them—
women children and men—
in that one-hour nuclear war.
With a slightly different perspective
there could have been a corrective
but the people fell for Trump’s invective
in that terminal nuclear war.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/timeline-of-trumps-path-to-nuclear-war/5623937
The clock is ticking…
Makati1 on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 7:15 pm
Davy, YOU are the one looking not only deluded but also insane. YOU need help but I think ti is too late. So be it. No loss.
Makati1 on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 7:20 pm
Worth re-posting as a reminder:”America Has Been at War 93% of the Time – 222 out of 239 Years – Since 1776″
https://www.globalresearch.ca/america-has-been-at-war-93-of-the-time-222-out-of-239-years-since-1776/5565946
And Americans wonder why they are hated. LMAO
MASTERMIND on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 7:51 pm
Madkt
OMG America has been at war…Meh..meh feelings!!!Snowflake who cares..Chimps, wolves and humans constantly kill other members of their own species to dominate their own environments.
Makati1 on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 7:59 pm
The US in the news:
“Cities, volunteers clash over feeding homeless in public”
“Now That Xmas Is Over – Mapping The US States With The Most People In Debt”
“GE’s Nightmare Year: The Decline of an American Icon, in Charts”
“”Wealth Effect” = Widening Wealth Inequality”
“Crumbling America: Disasters Strike Roads, Bridges And Airports”
“Trump administration moves to boost homeland missile defense system despite multiple flaws” (Sleep well kiddies! lol)
“Store closures rocked retail in 2017. Now 2018 is set to bring another round of them”
http://ricefarmer.blogspot.fr/
And the slide continues…
Makati1 on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 7:59 pm
MM, you are over the edge. Get help.
GregT on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 8:31 pm
He’s already admitted to being suicidal Makati. It’s probably already too late.
fmr-paultard on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 9:32 pm
mm genital farmer. youre disturbed ok dude. chill out and learn from supertards. its gonna be alright
love u
Makati1 on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 9:47 pm
Greg, it’s too late for Davy, but MM is still young enough to get help and maybe change. I doubt he is intelligent enough to do that.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 10:02 pm
The MSM media said the economy is doing great this year.
https://imgur.com/a/llTy1
MASTERMIND on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 10:08 pm
Greg
Dont be mad at me because I debunked your unreasonable and childish survival fantasy. And Madkat you will be in diapers soon and in no condition to survive post collapse.
GregT on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 10:16 pm
“Dont be mad at me because I debunked your unreasonable and childish survival fantasy.”
More delusions. Do you ever stop?
GregT on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 10:27 pm
If I were you MM, instead of putting a bullet in my head, I’d be joining up with the local goons. After all, they’ll being doing just fine after the collapse, raping, plundering, and killing, for many years to come.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 10:33 pm
Gregt
The goons will will be coughing up their internal organs from radiation poising from the hundreds of nuke plants worldwide that will will meltdown and explode!
GregT on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 10:38 pm
Coughing up internal organs doesn’t sound like much fun.
Those poor goons. I actually feel sorry for them already.
Makati1 on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 10:39 pm
Greg, maybe he doesn’t want to be their “bitch”. Sounds like that would be all he is good for. “Bend over, boy!” lol
He keeps thinking I am some kind of feeble old man when I am probably healthier than he is. Certainly mentally.
Amazing how the young think anyone older than 40 is senile and unable to live a good life. They haven’t a clue. He probably will never reach anywhere near my 73 years to find out that it is actually a better part of ;life than at age 30. No real responsibilities. No job boss. No taxes, if you do it right. I am more free and enjoying life better than at any time in my early years.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 11:10 pm
Madkat
Soon you will be in diapers..There is no dignity in diapers…LOL You will be the first to be eaten post collapse. The low hanging fruit will be elderly people, children and disabled.
Makati1 on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 11:25 pm
Do I hear an echo again from MM? Diapers? Cannibals? ‘Feeble old man’? lol
Not intelligent enough to consider that he will be the one to be eaten, not me. Here in the Ps, the jungles are full of edibles (fruits, nuts, monkeys, birds, and assorted reptiles and fish), not of the human kind. Even the city is full of coconut trees. But he would not know that if he didn’t read it in some years old paper from the gods of academia. lol
If you are half as intelligent as you claim, MM, you would be researching preps and doing something intelligent to prepare for your future. I would recommend this site for a start:
http://readynutrition.com/resources/52-weeks-to-preparedness-an-introduction_19072011/
I would recommend that you start today. We may not have 52 weeks,
GregT on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 11:26 pm
“Soon you will be in diapers..There is no dignity in diapers…LOL ”
My great grandfather passed at 98 MM. His two brother died at 97 and 101. None of them wore diapers.
“You will be the first to be eaten post collapse.”
Eaten by whom? The goons? Didn’t you say that they would be coughing up their internal organs?
Grow the fuck up already, dumbo.
Cloggie on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 11:36 pm
“Soon you will be in diapers..There is no dignity in diapers…LOL”
The peakoil.com village idiot millimind is not only a useless 2010 peakoil fossil with retarded views, he additionally is a vile gloating sadist.
Cloggie on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 11:45 pm
“Those poor goons. I actually feel sorry for them already.”
Not just the goons, also the loons and baboons. And since all three descriptions fit millimind like a hand in a gloove, his fate is terrible. When millimind will be finished coughing, he will be lying on the ground like an empty balloon. Expect it to happen soon.
GregT on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 11:46 pm
millimind is another retard’s sock puppet Cloggie.
Cloggie on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 11:47 pm
During the next moon.
GregT on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 11:49 pm
BTW Cloggie,
Merry belated Christmas!
MASTERMIND on Tue, 26th Dec 2017 11:58 pm
Greg, Clogg, and Madkat
You three have no evidence to support your views. I have listed dozens of scholarly sources. And I am not going to waste my time prepping because without the rule of law and a prosperous society in place it is futile. That is why you only see right wingers who are preppers. Because right wingers tend to be imbeciles that you can not reason with. If you all want to team up on me that is fine.
Time makes more converts than Reason
-Thomas Paine