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Preface: We believe that Soviet communism was an abomination. Stalin was certainly a tyrant: he killed countless political enemies or threw them into insane asylums. We also have littler tolerance foruseful idiots who defend communism as a force for good. In short, we hate Soviet era communism.

And Putin also runs Russia like it’s plaything, with little regard for the desires of his people.
But U.S. warmongers have also been hyping the Russian threat with self-serving lies – and committing atrocities and telling lies – for some 70 years. As an American, my concern is keeping America from destroying itself. And – unless we learn our history – we could get in a lot of trouble.
America Launched the Cold War Even Before World War II Had Ended
Joseph Stalin and the Soviets were key in helping the U.S. to defeat the Nazis. 20 million Russians died fighting the Nazis in World War II.
And yet the U.S. started competing against Stalin – and treating him like an enemy – before WWII had even ended.
Specifically, dropping atomic bombs on Japan had a duel purpose: defeating the Japanese, and sending a message to Stalin that the U.S. was in charge.
History.com notes:
In the years since the two atomic bombs were dropped on Japan, a number of historians have suggested that the weapons had a two-pronged objective …. It has been suggested that the second objective was to demonstrate the new weapon of mass destruction to the Soviet Union. By August 1945, relations between the Soviet Union and the United States had deteriorated badly. The Potsdam Conference between U.S. President Harry S. Truman, Russian leader Joseph Stalin, and Winston Churchill (before being replaced by Clement Attlee) ended just four days before the bombing of Hiroshima. The meeting was marked by recriminations and suspicion between the Americans and Soviets. Russian armies were occupying most of Eastern Europe. Truman and many of his advisers hoped that the U.S. atomic monopoly might offer diplomatic leverage with the Soviets. In this fashion, the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan can be seen as the first shot of the Cold War.
New Scientist reports:
The US decision to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 was meant to kick-start the Cold War rather than end the Second World War, according to two nuclear historians who say they have new evidence backing the controversial theory.
Causing a fission reaction in several kilograms of uranium and plutonium and killing over 200,000 people 60 years ago was done more to impress the Soviet Union than to cow Japan, they say. And the US President who took the decision, Harry Truman, was culpable, they add.
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[The conventional explanation of using the bombs to end the war and save lives] is disputed by Kuznick and Mark Selden, a historian from Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, US.
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New studies of the US, Japanese and Soviet diplomatic archives suggest that Truman’s main motive was to limit Soviet expansion in Asia, Kuznick claims. Japan surrendered because the Soviet Union began an invasion a few days after the Hiroshima bombing, not because of the atomic bombs themselves, he says.
According to an account by Walter Brown, assistant to then-US secretary of state James Byrnes, Truman agreed at a meeting three days before the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima that Japan was “looking for peace”. Truman was told by his army generals, Douglas Macarthur and Dwight Eisenhower, and his naval chief of staff, William Leahy, that there was no military need to use the bomb.
“Impressing Russia was more important than ending the war in Japan,” says Selden.
John Pilger points out:
The US secretary of war, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was “fearful” that the US air force would have Japan so “bombed out” that the new weapon would not be able “to show its strength”. He later admitted that “no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the bomb”. His foreign policy colleagues were eager “to browbeat the Russians with the bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip”. General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project that made the bomb, testified: “There was never any illusion on my part that Russia was our enemy, and that the project was conducted on that basis.”
University of Maryland professor of political economy – and former Legislative Director in the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate, and Special Assistant in the Department of State – Gar Alperovitz says:
Increasing numbers of historians now recognize the United States did not need to use the atomic bomb to end the war against Japan in 1945. Moreover, this essential judgment was expressed by the vast majority of top American military leaders in all three services in the years after the war ended: Army, Navy and Army Air Force. Nor was this the judgment of “liberals,” as is sometimes thought today. In fact, leading conservatives were far more outspoken in challenging the decision as unjustified and immoral than American liberals in the years following World War II.
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Instead [of allowing other options to end the war, such as letting the Soviets attack Japan with ground forces], the United States rushed to use two atomic bombs at almost exactly the time that an August 8 Soviet attack had originally been scheduled: Hiroshima on August 6 and Nagasaki on August 9. The timing itself has obviously raised questions among many historians. The available evidence, though not conclusive, strongly suggests that the atomic bombs may well have been used in part because American leaders “preferred”—as Pulitzer Prize–winning historian Martin Sherwin has put it—to end the war with the bombs rather than the Soviet attack. Impressing the Soviets during the early diplomatic sparring that ultimately became the Cold War also appears likely to have been a significant factor.
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The most illuminating perspective, however, comes from top World War II American military leaders. The conventional wisdom that the atomic bomb saved a million lives is so widespread that … most Americans haven’t paused to ponder something rather striking to anyone seriously concerned with the issue: Not only did most top U.S. military leaders think the bombings were unnecessary and unjustified, many were morally offended by what they regarded as the unnecessary destruction of Japanese cities and what were essentially noncombat populations. Moreover, they spoke about it quite openly and publicly.
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Shortly before his death General George C. Marshall quietly defended the decision, but for the most part he is on record as repeatedly saying that it was not a military decision, but rather a political one.
General Dwight Eisenhower said, “Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary” and “the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”
And Truman’s chief of staff, Admiral William Leahy, who chaired the meetings of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,claims:
The use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.
America Has Waged a Brutal Dirty Tricks Campaign for 70 Years
Right after the end of WWII, the U.S. backed Nazi fighters in Ukraine in an attempt to dislodge Soviet control of that country.
In late September 1947, [George] Kennan urged Forrestal to establish a “guerrilla warfare corps”—a suggestion Forrestal heartily endorsed—although the [Joing Chiefs of Staff] recommended against establishing a “separate guerrilla warfare and corps.” In December, Truman approved secret annex NSC 4-A, authorizing the CIA to conduct covert operations. He had dismantled the OSS’s covert parmilitary operations capabilities in September 1945, but now he brought them back in force. In the summer of 1948, he approved NSC 10/2, which called for “propaganda, economic warfare, preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground movements, guerrillas and refugee liberation groups, and support of indigenous anti-Communist elements in threatened countries of the free world.” These activities were to be done in a way that would always afford the US government plausible deniability. In August 1948, Truman approved NSC 20, which authorized guerrilla operations in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe ….
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Beginning with Truman’s first day in office, his receptiveness to the views of hard-line anti-Communists, his denial of Roosevelt’s understanding with Staling, the provocative and unnecessary dropping of the atomic bombs, his spreading a network of military bases around the world, Churchill’s speech at Fulton, Truman’s call for fighting Communism in greece, the division and remilitarization of Germany, the continued testing of bigger and bigger atomic and hydrogen bombs which he used to threaten the Soviet Union, Truman’s deliberate exaggerations of the Communist threat both overseas and at home and his persecution and silencing of those who challenged these distortions. In all these matters, with few exceptions, the United states, after successfully liberating Western Europe, was now signaling fear and aggression ….
The U.S. also admits that the U.S. and NATO also used false flag terror attacks to discredit the Soviets. For example:
The U.S. and NATO Have Been Trying to Encircle Russia Militarily Since 1991
President George H. W. Bush promised Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev that – if the Soviets broke up the Soviet Union and dissolved the Warsaw Pact – then NATO would not move into those former Soviet countries. This assured the Soviets that NATO would not encircle Russia.
Similarly, Germany promised Gorbachev that NATO would not expand “one inch to the east.” As Andrew Gavin Marshall explains:
The fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 prompted the negotiated withdrawal of the Soviet Union from Eastern Europe. The ‘old order’ of Europe was at an end, and a new one “needed to be established quickly,” noted Mary Elise Sarotte in the New York Times. This ‘new order’ was to begin with “the rapid reunification of Germany.” Negotiations took place in 1990 between Soviet president Gorbachev, German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, and President Bush’s Secretary of State, James A. Baker 3rd. The negotiations sought to have the Soviets remove their 380,000 troops from East Germany. In return, both James Baker and Helmut Kohl promised Gorbachev that the Western military alliance of NATO would not expand eastwards. West Germany’s foreign minister, Hans-Dietrich Genscher, promised Gorbachev that, ” NATO will not expand itself to the East.” Gorbachev agreed, though asked – and did not receive – the promise in writing, remaining a “gentlemen’s agreement.”
But Bill Clinton broke America’s promise, and the U.S. has pursued a campaign of encircling Russia ever since:


And NATO has also broken its promise, and now largely encircles Russia:

In 1997 – as part of the strategy of encirclement – former U.S. national security advisor and high-level Obama policy advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski called for the U.S. to take Ukraine away from Russia.
Cheney Has Controlled U.S. Policy Towards Russia with a Strategy of Global Domination For Decades … And Continues to Do So Today
The U.S. has also long exaggerated the “Russian menace” in order to justify its military spending and expansion.
For example, Dick Cheney made false claims exaggerating the threat posed by Russia’s weapons in the1970s to ramp up cold war fears and justify huge increases in military spending.
Subsequent instances of fear-mongering by Cheney and his subordinates include:
Todd E. Pierce – Major (ret.) U.S. Army Judge Advocate General – notes in a must-read article that“Cheneyism” has driven U.S. policy towards Russia for decades:
Dick Cheney’s ideology of U.S. global domination has become an enduring American governing principle regardless of who is sitting in the Oval Office, a reality reflected in the recent Ukrainian coup ….
The final form of this ideology took shape in 1991 with the collapse of the Soviet Union when the world was then to be subjected to eternal U.S. military dominance, as revealed in the leaked “Draft Defense Planning Guidance” (DPG) devised by Cheney’s subordinates when he was Defense Secretary under President George H.W. Bush.
Since then, Cheney has been so successful in propagating this ideology of permanent U.S. domination abroad and rule by a “unitary executive” at home that it has now survived multiple changes of U.S. presidents largely intact. It is so much attributable to Dick Cheney that it merits his name: Cheneyism.
As unprecedented as Cheneyism may be – not even history’s most power-mad conquerors ever envisioned anything like “full-spectrum dominance” – President Obama has cemented Cheney’s ideological legacy by continuing his unilateralism and even expanding it ….
Cheney’s ideology combines militarism under a state of permanent war with an un-American, anti-constitutional authoritarianism. It also embraces an aggressiveness toward past, present and possibly future adversaries, especially Russia.
Robert Gates, who was CIA director in 1991, has written in his memoir Duty that with the collapse of the U.S.S.R., Cheney “wanted to see the dismantlement not only of the Soviet Union and the Russian Empire but of Russia itself,” so “it could never again be a threat to the rest of the world.”
Little wonder that Russian President Vladimir Putin concluded that denying Russian access to Crimean ports via the coup in Ukraine was just one step in a larger U.S. plan to deny Russia a means of naval defense, just as he might have seen the Kosovo War in the late 1990s as a move against a Russian ally.
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There is virtually no deviation in the United States from the core of Cheney’s ideology. That is, the unrelenting pursuit of total U.S. global military domination as outlined in the Defense Planning Guidance.
This February’s successful subversion of Ukraine’s democratically elected government by Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland is merely the latest example of U.S. policies first conceived and promoted by Cheney and like-minded ideologists, including Nuland’s husband, renowned neocon Robert Kagan, a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century.
If there was any doubt about the continuation of Cheneyism under Obama, the activities of Nuland – a Bush-43 holdover who was promoted by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and then Secretary of State John Kerry – shows there was no real break in foreign policy with the change of administrations in 2009.
As revealed by Nuland, there has not been a Russian policy “reset” by the U.S.; it was a mere subterfuge. And as Putin is learning, any objection to U.S. strategic expansionism is treated as “terrorism” or “aggression” and becomes a pretext for U.S. diplomatic, economic and military suppression of the “threat.”
In 1991, as conceived by Cheney and other Pentagon ideologues, such as Paul Wolfowitz and David Addington, this strategy of constantly violating other nations’ sovereignty has been waged both by military and political means ….
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For Cheney, it was as if he saw the Cold War as having been a winner-take-all contest for global domination. When the U.S. “won,” the countries of the world were to submit to global U.S. domination. As stated in Harper’s Magazine, the United States would move from “countering Soviet attempts at dominance to ensuring its own dominance.”
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Clinton preserved the general outlines of the force structure and strategy that had been worked out under Cheney and Wolfowitz. Cheney’s ideology of permanent U.S. dominance achieved its purest form under President George W. Bush, with Cheney as his influential Vice President. But Cheneyism also has maintained a strong foothold in the five years of the Obama administration.
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Cheney’s geopolitical ideas have become the consensus of both Republicans and Democrats and have assumed a permanent place in “mainstream” American political thought and governance under Obama.
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For a foreign government to anticipate how the U.S. will act, their analysts need to understand Cheneyism as a controlling ideology in U.S. policy, just as American intelligence analysts were steeped in theories of Marxism and Stalinism during the Cold War. U.S. citizens should understand the tenets of Cheneyism, too, since this arrogant ideology has the potential for disastrous consequences.
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Indeed, there is a German precedent for Cheney’s ideology that is not Nazism. Following the failure of the Imperial German Army in World War I, philosophical militarists such as Ernst Junger and authoritarian legal philosophers like Carl Schmitt came together in the “Conservative Revolutionary Movement.”
Celebrating war and authoritarianism, they believed that Germany was the “exceptional” nation of Europe, deserving of military expansion in both eastern and western Europe. The German Conservative Revolutionaries didn’t all become Nazis, but they created a hospitable culture for them. With hindsight, they could have been called proto-Cheneyites.
Not only are Cheney and Neocons back … they never actually left.
The neoconservatives planned campaigns of destabilization all over the world 20 years ago, and Obama isimplementing the same plans today.
The Bottom Line: Putin’s No Angel … But Americans Need to Gain a Little Perspective
Putin is no angel, and Stalin really was a murderous tyrant.
But Americans also need to understand that the U.S. and NATO have been seeking domination even before WWII ended.
Dick Cheney has dominated U.S. policy towards Russia for decades, and Obama is following Cheney’s playbook.
America needs to gain a little perspective.
See this for other interesting and little-known facts about Russia.
24 Comments on "The Secret Back Story to Russia and Ukraine that Americans Never Learned In School"
Makati1 on Fri, 9th May 2014 9:36 am
“… The Bottom Line: Putin’s No Angel … But Americans Needs to Gain a Little Perspective …”
Truer words were never written.
J-Gav on Fri, 9th May 2014 10:15 am
A dense and pertinent overview of certain aspects of U.S. policy over the last 70 years. Overblowing the Red Menace and pumping the Cold War rhetoric for all it was worth were key features of it – well after it was clear that the Soviet Union had no chance of rivalling American power.
To see chunks of that rhetoric re-surfacing today is not reassuring. The fact that it can still take in a substantial portion of the educated population (think Plantagenet on this board) is disheartening.
Davey on Fri, 9th May 2014 11:36 am
Amen Gav
Plantagenet on Fri, 9th May 2014 12:03 pm
Trying to blame Dick Cheney for current Obama administration policy is really stupid. The person who wrote this drivel mentions Cheney 33 times– but Cheney is now irrelevant—he has been out of office for five years now. The author clearly has a neurotic obsession with Dick Cheney combined with a total lack of understanding of how the US government actually works.
Boat on Fri, 9th May 2014 12:08 pm
Cheney’s geopolitical ideas have become the consensus of both Republicans and Democrats and have assumed a permanent place in “mainstream” American political thought and governance under Obama.
As an American I was happy we threw Cheney and GW out of office. Most of us don’t believe in torture, preventive wars, and/or nation building. To say Obama act the same way as McCain would have over the last 6 years is crazy. In fact the very idea that a black man would become president just shows how pissed off the American public was about Afghanistan and Iraq.
It is true Americans don’t trust their government and rightly so because of all the mistakes. But we only get the chance to vote for red or blue and neither is capable. But then again humans as a whole aren’t capable either.
I look around the world and don’t see systems doing much better except maybe a few small ones. Not any large ones.
Who would have thunk S Korea would be the worlds largest ship builder. Then look to the north and see how other systems work.
Plantagenet on Fri, 9th May 2014 12:41 pm
Dick Cheney is not a member of the Obama administration. He is not responsible for current US policies.
I challenge the people posting here to think deeply for a second and then identify the person in the Obama administration who is responsible for Obama administration geopolitical policy right now? You can’t do it can you?—you don’t know who is currently in charge in DC so you fall back on to blaming Cheney because that is a name that you know. SHEEESH! thats just so pathetic!!!!
Boat on Fri, 9th May 2014 12:55 pm
I don’t have to many problems with the Obama geopolitical policy. I didn’t like the surge in Afghanistan and thought we should have left earlier but over all he has been much more subdued than most of our presidents.
I don’t like the fact he hasn’t cut the military a lot more a lot faster but I think that is more political than ideology. I wasn’t impressed with Libya but at lease he supported Europe rather than take the lead.
There are a lot of Hawks in Washington and a lot of political pressure to do much more like in Syria and Iran. McCain is freaking out because we haven’t already armed the Ukraine. So yes, over all he has showed constraint, much more than a Republican would have.
Northwest Resident on Fri, 9th May 2014 1:12 pm
I’m fairly certain that the policies implemented and the actions taken by both the Bush and Obama admins are those being mandated by the consensus of a large number of powerful individuals who operate behind the scenes.
I never saw Cheney as anything other than the sometimes official spokesperson and always front line consigliore of that powerful group of individuals.
And who are those powerful individuals? Good question. Chances are excellent that they include representatives from the U.S. Military and intelligence services, from global finance and from industry.
If you get elected on a platform of “hope and change” but then, once in office, this group sits you down for a private talk and explains why there is no hope and certainly not enough money for “change”, and tells you exactly what must be done to insure the survival of all that you hold near and dear, then I guess you just say whatever you need to say to keep up appearances and then implement the policies and take the actions that the powerful group directs you perform.
Obama and Bush were/are nothing more than figureheads, the public face of a massive machine with a million moving parts, most of which are completely invisible to you and I.
Boat on Fri, 9th May 2014 1:35 pm
I agree with you somewhat NR. But there are differences in the parties and their leaders. I am fairly certain we would be at war with both Syria and Iran if McCain would have won. The US would have taken the lead and we would have had many more troops in Libya. We would still have 130 thousand troops in Afghanistan. We would have plane loads of weapons and troops in the Ukraine by now.
The Hawks think that any show of weakness will only invite more problems. Obama ain’t no Hawk. He is just trying to do the minimum to keep the hawks at bay and hopes the rest of the world doesn’t drag him into more conflict. Just one opinion. He wants health care to be his legacy and renewable energy and cafe standards, not war. Let’s throw in cogeneration CHP while were at it. Even a big oil company with lots of profits can get a $450,000 tax break on a CHP system till 2016.
Northwest Resident on Fri, 9th May 2014 1:54 pm
I agree with you also somewhat Boat. I totally get where you’re coming from with the points of view you expressed. A couple of years ago I would have thought the same exact thing. Since then, I have become more and more aware of just how scripted the political game is, and more aware that it is unseen forces behind the curtain that are writing those scripts. The idea of McCain or Mr. Bain Capital himself as POTUS gives me the shivers, and I do believe that things would be somewhat different if either of those had been elected. But the fact that TPTB allowed Obama to win both elections tells me that he is the tool that TPTB decided would work best for their game plan, versus the other two. Also, keep in mind, that there are serious doubts that Bush actually “won” either of his two terms as president, and plenty of evidence to suggest that he didn’t. Regardless, my impression is that TPTB needed/wanted Bush as POTUS and they made it happen by hook or by crook. In other words, I am totally and completely disillusioned and cynical about the “democratic process” in America. And as we slide further and faster down the backside of peak oil, I expect that we will reach a point in time where “they” don’t even try to pretend that we’re a democracy anymore.
Boat on Fri, 9th May 2014 2:19 pm
I understand the limits of a president. I no longer have many expectations of them. I don’t this our system is designed for quicker changes even if they make sense. It’s the people as a large group that make change happen and with people there comes a lot of noise. With the internet I think the process is improving though. Am not ready to give up yet.
Northwest Resident on Fri, 9th May 2014 2:36 pm
Boat — I’m not ready to give up either. I still vote, every time. But my expectations are wayyy lower than before to protect myself from inevitable disappointment.
GregT on Fri, 9th May 2014 4:17 pm
“I’m fairly certain that the policies implemented and the actions taken by both the Bush and Obama admins are those being mandated by the consensus of a large number of powerful individuals who operate behind the scenes.”
“If you get elected on a platform of “hope and change” but then, once in office, this group sits you down for a private talk and explains why there is no hope and certainly not enough money for “change”, and tells you exactly what must be done to insure the survival of all that you hold near and dear, then I guess you just say whatever you need to say to keep up appearances and then implement the policies and take the actions that the powerful group directs you perform.”
Thanks NWR. Exactly the same conclusions that I have come to.
JFK was the last to find out exactly what power the money lenders have over the POTUS. He tried to stop them and the outcome is history. Of course many here will still believe that Oswald acted alone.
“The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is slave to the lender.” -Proverbs 22:7
I also would like to believe that the people can change the system, but that will not happen without a bloody, and violent revolution. Complacency, and a lack of patriotism, have allowed TPTB to gain too much control. They will not give up that power because people are talking about them over the internet. The system that they control must be dismantled first. IE, the Fed, wall street, and the US dollar.
Northwest Resident on Fri, 9th May 2014 4:29 pm
Oswald acted alone.
The war on terror is to protect U.S. citizens from further attacks.
Osama bin Laden and his henchmen acted alone to bring down the World Trade Center (and surrounding) buildings.
GWB was fairly and honestly elected to two terms as POTUS.
Iraq had WMD and yellow cake.
America is in economic recovery and GDP is expanding at a satisfactory rate.
Shale oil plays are the wave of the future, practically drowning America in a glut of oil not seen since the heyday of Texas gushers.
Global warming is a hoax.
Trickle down economics works!
Get your wading boots on fast guys, the shit is getting thicker and thicker all the time.
Boat on Fri, 9th May 2014 5:36 pm
GregT,
One thing to remember is the American recovery and investment act.
The package devotes $308.3 billion — or 39% — to appropriations spending, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That includes $120 billion on infrastructure and science and more than $30 billion on energy-related infrastructure projects, according to key congressional committees.
This was a once in a lifetime chance to blow a wad of money on green than anyone ever dreamed of. You know those CHP programs in TEX? They last till 2016 and will give 10% up to 50MW (=$450,000). Tex is projected to go from 20% CHP to 35% mostly using nat gas and combined power to heat tech. Coal is 30-33% average efficiency. CHP with nat gas can range from 60-88% depending on the set up. Even if we die tomorrow from a crash. Something was happening on the ground in a effort to do what we could.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/13/news/economy/house_final_stimulus/index.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_mostpopular+(Most+Popular)
GregT on Fri, 9th May 2014 7:08 pm
Boat,
There IS something happening on the ground, people are ‘opting out’ of the system. They are learning how to grow their own food, and are making a conscious effort to live more sustainably with less stuff.
I am not saying that all is hopeless. There are many things that a person can do to become more resilient. What I am saying is that the system currently in place is not sustainable. Infinite exponential growth is not possible in a finite environment. Continued use of fossil fuels is causing exponential population growth and is destroying the planet that we need for our survival.
If we could somehow crash the current ponzi system, and create a steady state economy in it’s place, it is entirely possible that we could create a sustainable society. I don’t see that as a probability though. TPTB are not going to go down without a fight, and the general public are not even aware of what is at stake.
Any movement will need to come from the bottom up, and judging from the reactions that I am getting from those that see what I am doing, it will be far too little, far too late.
We need to learn how to live within the confines of the natural world, with current natural solar energy. All other energy that we are putting into the mix, require finite resources, and are what has allowed us to overshoot the Earth’s natural carrying capacity. We either end growth, and face the consequences now, or continue to pursue growth, and face even more dire consequences later.
bandits on Sat, 10th May 2014 12:49 am
When species go into die off after overshoot, generally the result is a fall below sustainability. Maybe humans will be different who knows but seven billion plus is not going to cut it.
Maybe those (if like minded) that manage to squeeze through the bottle neck “can learn to live within the confines of the natural world” but it won’t happen with any meaningful consequence prior to that.
“we” becoming denizens of a new utopia are dependent on humans changing their nature. I don’t think half measures would get the job done. We either change or we wither and eventually go the way of the Dodo.
Ed Boyle on Sat, 10th May 2014 1:04 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland
Nuland seems to have masterminded this whole thing so lets see what Wikipedia has to say about her:
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Nuland is a career Senior Officer of the United States Foreign Service and has worked for both Democratic and Republican administrations. During the Bill Clinton administration, Nuland was chief of staff to Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott before moving on to serve as deputy director for former Soviet Union affairs. During the George W. Bush administration, she served as the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney and then as U.S. ambassador to NATO. During the Barack Obama administration, she was special envoy for Conventional Armed Forces in Europe before assuming the position of State Department spokesperson in summer 2011, which she held until February 2013.[3]”
She worked under Clnton and Bush, was adviser to Cheney. Her interest in Russia is that her grandparents emigrated from there.
“Nuland’s husband is historian Robert Kagan, Council on Foreign Relations member, and co-founders of the think-tank “Project for the New American Century” (PNAC). The PNAC called for, among other things, regime change in Iraq and a strategy for securing global control.”
This seals the story. NEOCON PNAC Co- founder is her husband. Global Control. This is One Worlder theory at work form all the conspiracy freaks. I have thought for a long time that they took out Japan and Germany in WWII and now somehow Chian and Russia have got to go down. Seems obvious but how to do it without nuclear war? Gorby gave up but Putin came. Perhaps he will go in 10 years and then a weakling pacifist will come and USA can move in troops and “capital investment”. The Empire abides and lurks. The Eye of Sauron searches for weaknesses of its enemies and then attacks. Will the combined enemies be able to destroy the evil empire of orcs (USA zombies)?
J-Gav on Sun, 11th May 2014 8:43 am
Northwest (and GregT) – “I’m fairly certain that the policies implemented etc.”
I think there’s very little doubt of that. Even Larry Wilkerson, ex-State Dept official in the Bush(W)admin recently said as much in an interview with Paul Jay of The Real News Network. When asked who actually set policy he said ‘the oligarchy.’ When asked who they are, while pointing out the complexity of the process, he answered that it was a mix: the big energy companies and major corporations, Wall Street and the major banks, the White House, some powerful members of Congress, the National Security Council and he even threw in the Supreme Court for good measure!
J-Gav on Sun, 11th May 2014 10:48 am
Northwest (again) – I like your list … but I’m not sure the wading boots will be enough. When STHTF, it’s likely to be flying around at eye level.
J-Gav on Sun, 11th May 2014 11:15 am
Back to the article though. Fà#rk Cheney – the blowhard, blow-yer-friend’s-face-off, fear-mongering, war-mongering, war criminal! He should be sitting in isolation in the cell where they put Manning for so long.
Have you caught the latest from Ukraine? Western media announcing 30 killed in Odessa! A guy on the spot says he counted 116 bodies! You can see a fair number of them for yourself on YouTube. These are not smoke inhalation victims! They were massacred by the Red Sector, our ‘friends’ there. I won’t actually recommend going to look at all the footage as it’s some of the most horrific shit I have ever seen. If you’re squeamish, please stay away from this, you will not sleep well.
The unbearable shame of it all.
J-Gav on Sun, 11th May 2014 11:58 am
Sorry, that should have been the ‘Right Sector,’ not the ‘Red Sector.’ It’s the ultra-nationalist group who, along with Svoboda, apparently count among our allies in the country. If this ‘alliance’ is not publicly and firmly denounced (and soon!) by the West, it’s Ukrainian policy will lose the last shred of credibility it may once have had (and even that’s debatable)!
Davy, Hermann, MO on Sun, 11th May 2014 12:26 pm
Gav, reminds me of the scene in the “Apocalypse Now” When Colonel Kurtz was chanting: “the horror, the horror, the horror” Is this what awaits us with collapsing BAU. Has the horsemen been loosed!! It is a slipper slope to chaos and disorder when these things get out of control.
J-Gav on Sun, 11th May 2014 12:45 pm
Davy – Yeah, I though of that exact same scene too though I didn’t mention it.