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The Real Reason the Climate Movement Has Failed
If you think that climate change is turning out to be worse than anyone had thought, it’s not hard to find people who agree with you.
Just check out some recent headlines:
- “Scientists Have Been Underestimating the Pace of Climate Change” says Scientific American
- “The Oceans are Warming Faster than Scientists Thought,” says CNN
- “Destruction from Climate Change will be ‘Worse, Much Worse, than You Think’,” says the Washington Post
And after reading all those, the obvious question arises — “Climate Change: Why is it So Often ‘Sooner than Predicted’?” Fortunately, you’ll find the answer at Resilience.org: Climate science is still an inexact way of predicting the future. But mostly it’s because scientists are trying to spare us from hearing the worst, so they edit out some of the doom from their reports.
Which, to me at least, is not a particularly reassuring fact to discover. And it makes it seem as if the climate movement has failed to achieve anything significant.
Thirty Years of Climate Activism with Nothing to Show for It
After all, ever since the late 1980s, the governments of the world, along with the news media and the public, have known the basic facts about climate change: that unseen pollution mostly from humans burning fossil fuels was heating the atmosphere to dangerous levels that would lead to worse storms, floods and droughts along with rising seas that would flood many coastal cities. That in turn will put human civilization at risk.
For the last three decades, environmental groups have lobbied their governments to slow carbon and methane emissions. Activists have put pressure on industry too.
Yet, despite several big international treaties — especially the Kyoto Protocol and the Paris Agreement — and some accomplishments including holding up pipelines and getting institutional investors to divest from fossil fuels, the pollution and the warming have not stopped.
Quite the opposite. In the last three decades since the climate movement has gotten active, the world’s economy has released more greenhouse pollution than in the years previously since the Industrial Revolution.
Clearly, whatever progress on public policy it has made with governments and businesses, the climate movement has failed in its goal of saving the climate.
Why? Common explanations include:
- Scaring people too much
- Not scaring people enough
- Giving too many boring PowerPoints filled with scientific data in charts and graphs
- Making it about polar bears instead of people
- Making it about Bangladesh instead of Bozeman, Montana or Birmingham, Alabama
- Too much lobbying by insiders in national capitals and at the U.N. and not enough building support in the broad public
- Plain old selfishness of the public that isn’t willing to drive less or otherwise give up their wasteful consumer lifestyles
While I agree that these may have been challenges for the climate movement, I respectfully disagree that any of them, or all of them combined, were fatal to the movement’s success.
After all, just speaking for the United States, we’ve solved problems that are pretty techy before (ie, reaching the moon through the Apollo Program). We’ve successfully dealt with problems that are hard to see or far away (like World War II). And our citizens have shown great ability for self-sacrifice in a good cause (I remember the grape boycotts that my white, midwestern mom joined in the 1970s to support the movement of Chicano farm workers in California for better working conditions).
No, the real problem is much easier to understand: the world’s biggest, richest and most powerful special interest has thwarted the climate movement at every step.
I mean, of course, the fossil fuel industry.
Led by oil companies, dirty energy producers have not only stopped governments from acting against climate chaos. Those companies have also covered up their own role in the problem.
With enough money to burn and enough money to bribe, as Naomi Klein has put it, oil companies have used their massive political influence to reward their friends and punish their critics in government, all the while hiring pliable scientists and PR flaks to confuse the public about the real science.
Worst of all, oil companies have used their massive stores of cash to defeat promising legislation for climate solutions. For example, reports the Intercept, in 2018 an industry lobby group called the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers “mobilized over $30 million to defeat the carbon tax proposed in Washington State, easily outspending an environmentalist campaign funded by philanthropist billionaires and small donors.”
As the Intercept article explains, the same oil industry group has now started bragging about how they’ve managed to criminalize protest against new oil and gas pipelines in several states.
So, stop worrying about greedy consumers or apathetic voters. They’re not the reason the climate movement has failed. The oil industry is the real obstacle to climate action. To have any hope to save the world from climate chaos, we must first get oil companies out of politics. And then we must phase out their product, once and for all.
The challenge of course, is massive. Dirty energy companies claim ownership of reserves of oil, gas and coal worth between $10 and $20 trillion worldwide.
Is there any precedent for fighting such wealth and the political power it can buy?
The Most Successful Political Movement Ever
Fortunately for them, none of the big social movements of recent decades — whether civil rights, women’s rights or LGBTQ rights — had to face anything like a $10 trillion enemy. That very fact means none of these movements are a good model for fighting the economic and political power of oil companies.
But if we go back into history a little further, we do find one movement that did face off against such wealth and power. This was the most successful social campaign of the last two hundred years and perhaps ever — the movement to abolish slavery.
Active on three continents, but especially in Britain and the United States for nearly a century from about 1780 until the end of the American Civil War in 1865, the abolition movement worked tirelessly and intelligently to win freedom against great odds for millions of enslaved people.
And most importantly of all, abolition triumphed not merely over emotional or cultural attitudes like racism among white people but against the largest monied special interest of its day.
Whether it was the West Indian sugar planters that British abolitionists had to overcome or the southern cotton planters who ran slavery in the United States, at the height of its power, the constellation of wealthy interests that abolitionists dubbed “the Slave Power” was the biggest and most powerful political force on both sides of the Atlantic.
MSNBC journalist Chris Hayes has noted that, in the amoral financial accounting of the slave economy, the asset value”of enslaved people in the U.S. alone right before the Civil War would equal about $10 trillion in today’s money.
Coincidentally, that’s about the same as the low estimate for the amount of fossil fuel reserves held by oil, gas and coal companies worldwide today: $10 trillion.
Of course, there’s no moral equivalent between human beings and molecules of fossil fuels, as Hayes notes. The main point is for today’s climate movement to learn the rules of success from the history of abolition.
To break a political power with that much wealth, we would do well to follow the only example in modern history when it’s happened before. To break the $10 trillion Oil Power today, we should study what abolitionists did in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries to break the $10 trillion Slave Power.
And that’s what I’ll do in the book I’m writing now, Abolish Oil Now: Our Last, Best Hope to Save the Climate, Stop Endless Wars and Live in Freedom.
My publisher is planning to put the book out in January, but you can read the book’s outline now. And of course, I’ll publish updates here over the next few months.
I reposted this piece from my author website.
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56 Comments on "The Real Reason the Climate Movement Has Failed"
Chrome Mags on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 2:47 pm
It can be watered down to this; Greed, BAU, self involvement to have as much as possible now VS. Care for people suffering already, future generations and the planet as a whole.
Whenever there are two factions arguing their perspective strongly enough, full consensus cannot be achieved and the response is muddled and inadequate. Until the consequences become obviously disastrous enough to achieve consensus, we’ll continue burning massive amounts of FF.
Of course once it reaches that point it will be completely out of our control and we’ll have to live with a weather system having shifted into a different, much more turbulent state.
Mo PopKorn on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 3:27 pm
Jeesh, another deluded activist thinking that getting off fossil fuels is just a matter of beating Big Oil/Gas/Coal. And the same tired, erroneous comparisons to WWII, the cold war space program and abolition. None of those are apt and all occurred long before the US population became full on narcissists. Abolition in particular owes much to the mechanization of cotton production, ie. fossil fuels.
Welcome to the Collapse; enjoy the planet while you still can.
dave thompson on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 7:42 pm
The “real reason”? To many people, destroying the life giving planet earths biosphere.
dissident on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 9:17 pm
Don’t blame the majority of humans. Blame the 1% that makes all the economic decisions including what all the “excess” population consumes.
All you idiots who think that cutting down the current global population by 90% will save the planet need a brain transplant. The remaining 1% and their 9% of serfs will maximize entropy and destroy the planet anyway.
dave thompson on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 10:55 pm
Speaking as an “idiot”, collectively at scale, humans are destroying the biosphere. Whether you are part of the .1% or 99.99%. We are all accountable in some way. have another plastic bottled water on humanity, or put another way on the biosphere.
Davy on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 11:15 pm
This guy is just barking up a tree at something beyond management. Sure, there are some things that can be done. Some things are being done and many things are not being done. This planetary situation is not going to be adapted much from the human point of view. This is because the urge to populate is beyond much control and the drive to being affluent and comfortable is not being confronted. Fake Greens like this individual are honest about the climate science but not the solutions. They think it is about investment decisions and the right tech. We need to end fossil fuels they say and go carbon neutral. The science of doing this is not honest. It is not even close. This individual wants his cake and eat it. Peace on earth, fairness, and more happiness without fossil fuels but more comfort. These things don’t add up. Also the blame game is everywhere.
Pointing the fingers at the 1% by a 1% is hypocrisy. Everyone reading these words is a type of 1%. An aboriginal in the jungle is a TRUE Green none of us are. The minute you turn on your devise and read theses words you are in a way guilty. Sure, there are psychopathic trends in the rich and powerful but not really as a group. The system allows it so some do it. Any of you can instantly be rich and these rich poor. This is a systematic condition of overshoot. It is about a self-organizing force of a civilization of intelligent humans seeking survival and happiness. No different than our ancestors but what is different is the tools within our reach. What is also different than in the past is we have been delocalized and now are helpless to live differently in aggregate. Some can make the effort to live differently but not much. Globalism has meant comfort and high populations but also loss of freedom to live differently. We are prevented by choices and fate. Our choices are survive economically or be consumed by a system and become destitute. Fate is being delocalized.
Fake greens will whine about the planet being ruined by fossil fuels as they use tech and talk about tech that has a fossil fuel basis at lunches that were brought to them via fossil fuels. This is all brought to them via a basically high energy civilization which can only run on messy energy, tech, and resource exploitation that come from such a large and consumptive population locked in economies of scale and comparative advantage. This fake green individual should be talking about efforts we can make for when nature ends this process. This is ahead because honest science tells us this. We can mitigate and adapt but most will not or cannot. We won’t for many reasons because we compete to be better than others and we cooperate to allow others to do what we want to do within a frame work of laws. Until procreation has draconian rules and consumption is rationed out in a draconian way any other approach will fail.
Talking about what is not possible over and over is insanity. Instead you acknowledge what is wrong and accept what must be done. This is not to say we should not leave fossil fuels as best we can. We should also build out as much efficiency and renewable energy as we can but be honest about what we can do. Man should know his limitations. He should be honest about his footprint. He should be strong enough to face pain, suffering, and death that is inevitable for many. Instead we pursue comfort and pleasure in the here and now and read about these horrible things with our morning coffee and then go about our business. If you were to dwell on this issue of planetary destruction you risk going mad. If you are in a trap with a predicament that is beyond fixing then you adapt and mitigate as a life system.
We also have those who make a living on this. Our modern-day journalist make a living on talking about these tragedies and fantasies. Climate people have careers based upon these discussions. This is hardly a real solution with flying and driving to seminars and conventions to talk about what cannot be fixed. This is where wisdom comes in. Wisdom in this situation says the best one can do is adapt locally and individually and hope this effort will gain support in ones immediate environment. It is also true those who are gifted with leadership can make large impacts on bigger levels but nobody is going to change this situation until a power of fate and reality steps in. Fate and reality work at different levels of time and space. The planet and the web of life may adapt and change because of what we have done but not in our life time. We may have initiated a hot house world who knows in that case the time and space is actually space time as in a new planet eons from now somewhere among the billions of stars.
qutbthehatermuzziealameriki-akafmr on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 12:23 am
sorry, if you want to be big muzzie love enforcing malthusian on half the population and self by walking around with a muzzie dress and of course that’s not how you put food on the table then you have to go on jihad to rob non muzzies. then nature will be better off.
but seeing that you enjoying the comptuer and the innerweb that supertards built for me to enjoy, you aren’t a big muzzie FGM NASTY love.
pointer on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 6:35 am
We will continue to use fossil fuels and to destroy our home until we understand who we are and why we behave as we do.
Robert Inget on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 7:30 am
There’s no ecologically viable liquid fuel yet developed to replace diesel, jet fuel, gasoline.
WHEN not if, oil becomes far too expensive, alternatives, none as powerful as oil will replace
oil.
A few inventions are slowly replacing hydrocarbons, LED lighting, storage batteries for BEV’s and soon aircraft of all sizes.
Sissyfuss on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 8:34 am
Yes, the fossil fuel Illuminati are clinging tightly to their power just as the masses are clinging tightly to their ICE autos. When Joe Schmo learns of the amount of sacrifice needed to guarantee viability of the natural systems that makes life possible, he has another beer and gets back to the football game. Humans have been tragically successful because of their curiosity and their big brains. But no amount of wisdom or optimism can alter our path while in overshoot that continues to expand. There is a new world coming but it will be a traverse through Hell to arrive there.
forbin on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 8:55 am
To break the $10 trillion Oil Power today, we should study what abolitionists did in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries to break the $10 trillion Slave Power.
so Nuclear it is then
Cloggie on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 9:29 am
“Thirty Years of Climate Activism with Nothing to Show for It”
Absolutely rubbish. We have:
Paris Accords
Energy policy EU
Mature solar and wind electricity generation
E-vehicles beginning to mature
“Going Green” is a globally accepted meme.
Robert Inget on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 9:57 am
It took Russians 17 years to build a floating nuclear plant now on its way to Siberia.
Said to be the first of its kind.
To date I’ve heard no contradiction for that claim.
EVERY aircraft carrier, modern ice breaker and submarine, nuclear powered.
If cargo vessels, (container ships) were nuke powered it would cut GHG by at least 15%.
I don’t believe nuclear reactors based on the sea
could overheat given all that water under the hull.
In the event of a meltdown the entire reactor’s fuel containment could be flooded.
Davy on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 10:10 am
“Energy policy EU”
Cloggo, I have been here in Northern Italy between Belluno and Falcade region for almost 10 days now. There is a lot of solar water heating. Most burn wood for heat in their homes in the mountains. I have seen no electric cars. There is very little solar power and no wind power. Most of the vehicles are diesel with some small gas models. This renewable energy Europa is not everywhere yet.
Robert Inget on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 12:04 pm
Trump administration to roll back regulation on methane, a major cause of climate change
PUBLISHED 4 HOURS AGO UPDATED AN HOUR AGO
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/29/trump-to-roll-back-methane-climate-change-regulations.html
Serial Killers Strike Again:
KEY POINTS:
The Trump administration announced plans on Thursday to weaken regulation on climate-changing methane emissions.
The Environmental Protection Agency’s proposed rule would lessen restrictions on oil and gas sites to monitor and repair methane leaks from pipelines and storage facilities.
The rule would be the latest move by the Trump administration to roll back Obama-era emission regulations on major oil and gas industries, which are the main source of methane emissions in the U.S.(much more at link)
Robert Inget on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 12:28 pm
So far, in spite of a Labor day hit on mid FL,
oil markets are showing almost no reaction.
Once Dorian crosses flat Florida and deep throats 90 degree GOM H2O, all heck breaks loose.
In any event, 2 events most certainly take place next week.
1)GOM rigs will be shut in, further
diminishing crude inventories.
2) Alaska Pipeline shuts down for ‘planned repairs’
If little or no damage in GOM, oil and gas resumes
mid week.
Alaska pipeline work expected to take 10 days.
With zero evidence, I’ll predict, the Great Pipe won’t reopen in time.
I was going to say won’t reopen at all, but changed it to ‘late’.
(Alaska is suffering some really major permafrost
melting)
https://weather.com/weather/today/l/Anchorage+AK?canonicalCityId=8eebad166971ce0374edb4da72e162c8f01436407ed8cb993429662
Cloggie on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 2:16 pm
“I have been here in Northern Italy between Belluno and Falcade region for almost 10 days now. There is a lot of solar water heating. Most burn wood for heat in their homes in the mountains. I have seen no electric cars. There is very little solar power and no wind power. Most of the vehicles are diesel with some small gas models. This renewable energy Europa is not everywhere yet”
Not up north in the mountains perhaps, but Italian renewable electricity is at 37% currently, only slightly behind Germany:
https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2018/10/italy-on-a-clear-path-to-renewabledominant-future.html
“Italy on a Clear Path to Renewable-Dominant Future”
2030: 46% expected.
Sissyfuss on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 2:25 pm
A double hit, Robt. Trump will allow methane emissions free reign on the atmosphere and guess what the melting permafrost will be releasing? More of the same. The world is losing its mind and it wants us all to join in. I can still refuse at this point but there is so much more to come.
Robert Inget on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 3:11 pm
If Mara Largo takes a hit Monday Trump will blame Obama or H. Clinton for not doing more to stop
sea level rise.
Looks like Dorian comes ashore further north.
Look out for major flooding around Lake Okeechobee and Everglades Park.
Cat 4 storms, nothing to laugh at.
Get to higher ground even if you are inland.
(Spent my first 37 years in S. Fl)
This will be the first test since ocean levels went 2 CM higher 2017/2019.
Anonymouse on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 5:44 pm
Hey Clogggkosher, when you in ‘Northern Italy’ (lol sure you were), you didn’t happen to run into Davytard and his goa….’wife’ did you? You could take him for a spin over the Alps in your Israeli electric autonomous flying aircraft, and he could, in turn, reciprocate by taking you on a tour of his European doomstead. Show off the solar panels, the vineyards, the goat, the wife, and then swap spit all day long about I dont know, Brexit and Hitler?
I mean, if you were in Northern Italy, I dont see how you could not have bumped in the exceptionalturd at some point. He would kind of stand out in Italy. Just look for the loudest, most boorish, obnoxious Amerikan A-hole present, and that would be him.
Well, second only after you of course kloggkike.
makati1 on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 5:51 pm
Isn’t it fun, in a macabre sort of way, to watch Trump single-handedly destroy everything? Well, at least what is left of the country once called “America”. Not that there is much left of the “American Dream”.
Now he is trying to speed up the extinction of humanity because he is too stupid/arrogant/greedy to understand/care about the consequences. But then, at 73, he is not going to live to see the results of his actions, is he? Was he put in office to do just that? Think about it. Armageddon anyone?
Cloggie on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 11:17 pm
OK, anonymouse, I admit, I was lying, I was never in Italy. As a poor jew from Jerusalem, I never in my life was further from the Wailing Wall than 10 km. Ever.
Mazzeltov!
https://youtu.be/sGUNPMPrxvA
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 12:23 am
Annoy, you realize your routine stalking and attacking with mindless stupid comments shows just how shallow you are as a human…don’t you? Your comments are an attempt at cute, clever, and funny?? LOL. Your prose is an example of a “dork”. Your humor stale and stupid. I consider it an honor to be attacked daily by you and Juanpee. I mean come on you can’t argue a point in a debate so you do ad homs or in the case of the lunatic Juanpee, use elaborate socks and ID theft. You are anonymous for a reason and that reason is your life is a failure. People with a life and self confidence will talk about their experiences. You don’t because you don’t have anything of worth to share. You are one of those self-centered egotistical people who are so angry and unhappy about life you seek out people to focus that unhappiness on. You are a cyber stalker without much intelligence. If we met in person you would be silent out of fear IOW a pussy. Your comments occasionally try to rise to intelligent but are always tripped up on the attitude part. You are unable to be objective and fair which honest science demands.
I can’t understand why you hate cloggo so much. You both hate Jews with a passion. It is like the second thought in your heads. Do you remember the time Ape Man trashed you and you whined back to him like a 4 year old. LOL. He called you out as a stupid Canadian millennial with a Jew complex. You are also a stupid Canadian anti-American loser with little knowledge to contribute. Thankfully most of your Anti-American Canadian friends are gone these days. You are one of the last except for dissident but he hangs out on the moderated section most of the time. Makato calls you affectionately anon. double lol. Juanpee is always there to do his protective sock puppet response if ever you are attacked. I have some respect for makato because he does contribute information. You and Juanpee I have zero respect for. The both of you could be banned and there would be a big jump in quality here. This is an unmoderated forum so it goes with the territory to have background noise from participants like you and Juanpee with personality dysfunction. You belong on Xbox live with 13-year olds. That is your speed.
eqqutbthehatermuzziealamerikiakafmr on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 12:33 am
anontard, why u attacking supertard
don’t be jealous of him having italian wife. it’s a sin.
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 12:42 am
juanpee, maybe part of your problem is you don’t sleep properly. You are up most of the night then up early for a full day of stalking and socking. Work on a good sleep pattern and possibly you will have more of a chance at normalcy.
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 12:50 am
I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. I do want to thank all those who have attacked me with giving me material for growth. I have saved the best of my comments for my new blog. I have years worth of my own material that nobody else will ever read.
more dumbass juanpee insanity on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 12:53 am
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 12:42 am
The REAL Green davy vay-cayin in Italy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 12:57 am
I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. I do want to thank all those who have attacked me with giving me material for growth. I have saved the best of my comments for my new blog. I have years worth of my own material that nobody else will ever read
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 12:58 am
LOL, I love calling the juanpee out. juanpee, why not use this sock to make your point?
eqqutbthehatermuzziealamerikiakafmr
LMFAO..WTF is the “eqqutb” part. I get the rest of it. fuck nut.
More juanpee insanity on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 12:59 am
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 12:23 am
more low iq davy mindless iinsanity on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:01 am
eqqutbthehatermuzziealamerikiakafmr on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 12:33 am
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:03 am
Oops, sorry for getting all triggered and losing my widdle temper again everyone.
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:08 am
This imaginary juanpee thing of mine means everything to me. I really need to learn how to get a life of my own.
So easy to pull the juanpee chain. lol on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:10 am
“Davy said This imaginary juanpee thing of mine means everyth…
Davy said Oops, sorry for getting all triggered and losing m…
more low iq davy mindless iinsanity said eqqutbthehatermuzziealamerikiakafmr on Fri, 30th A…”
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:16 am
“Victory in Electric Cars Depends on Recycling. So Far, China’s Winning”
https://tinyurl.com/y6ymmtsp bloomberg
“Battery packs clamber up a conveyor belt before dropping into a flame-proof chamber, where they are crushed into gray metallic mush, a cocktail containing the car fuel of the future. The facility separates components like cobalt, nickel, graphite and lithium from waste plastic particles. Factory owner Duesenfeld GmbH is bracing for a tidal wave of spent batteries as carmakers move beyond combustion engines in huge numbers. Over the next decade, the pile of retired power plants will grow from almost nothing to 1.6 million tons annually”
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:24 am
“Builders Are Swapping Cement for Weed to Reduce Pollution”
https://tinyurl.com/y5bserks Bloomberg
“While architects and developers have traditionally concentrated on the energy used by their buildings once they’re are standing, it’s actually the materials required in their construction that represent the brunt of a structure’s lifetime carbon footprint. Replacing high-carbon-intensity materials like cement with greener alternatives like hemp can dramatically reduce or even offset greenhouse gas pollution. Hemp fields absorb carbon when they’re growing. After harvest, the crop continues to absorb greenhouse gases as it’s mixed with lime or clay. Hempcrete structures also have better ventilation, fire resistance and temperature regulation, according to their proponents. Numbers across the industry vary depending on the process, but JustBioFiber says that its hemp captures 130 kilograms (287 pounds) of carbon dioxide for each cubic meter it builds. Those structures made with their bricks will sequester more greenhouse gases than they emit in production. By contrast each ton of cement produced emits half a ton of carbon dioxide, according to the European Cement Association. First developed in France more than 30 years ago, hempcrete was initially used for renovating old houses since it mixed well with stone and lime. That has progressed to new build homes, offices and municipal buildings some as tall as seven floors, according to Quentin Pichon, founder of CAN-Ingenieurs Architectes who specialize in hempcrete buildings.”
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:24 am
REAl. Green Adaptation means I can do whatever I want whenever I want to and nobody else can.
So there.
dumbasses
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:26 am
I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. I do want to thank all those who have attacked me with giving me material for growth. I have saved the best of my comments for my new blog. I have years worth of my own material that nobody else will ever read
juanpee chained on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:33 am
“Davy said I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated f…
Davy said REAl. Green Adaptation means I can do whatever I w…”
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:38 am
Hay y’all. You guys think it’s normal for a caring husband to travel half way round the world for his wife, and still spend all this time on such a lame unmoderated forum?
Could I be out of my mind?
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:40 am
Fuck off juanpee.
I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. I do want to thank all those who have attacked me with giving me material for growth. I have saved the best of my comments for my new blog. I have years worth of my own material that nobody else will ever read
juanpee chained on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:41 am
I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. I do want to thank all those who have attacked me with giving me material for growth. I have saved the best of my comments for my new blog. I have years worth of my own material that nobody else will ever read
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:44 am
OK juanpee. Everyone knows I’m a dumbass. Time for me to grow some balls.
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 1:49 am
Oops, sorry everyone. I meant grow a brain. Thinkin with my balls isn’t working out so well.
makati1 on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 2:01 am
Any normal husband would be with his wife on her trips…unless she didn’t want him around. It would not take a hospital trip to be with her. IF, and that is a yuge “IF”, you have so much money and such a big farm, you also have a manager to run it.
One of my millionaire friends owned a very big motel in Hershey, PA and managed it from his den in Paradise Valley, AZ, pre internet. He made occasional trips back East, mostly to visit other family, but his contact was an AM phone call. He even went on month long safaris in Africa most every year with even less contact.
But then, you have it in the real world, not your imaginary one. LOL
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 2:58 am
“Any normal husband would be with his wife on her trips…unless she didn’t want him around.”
What do you know about wives, makato, you are all alone. My wife goes back to Italy yearly to be with her family and attend to her property. Got it? Maybe not, you are getting old and senile.
“ It would not take a hospital trip to be with her. IF, and that is a yuge “IF”, you have so much money and such a big farm, you also have a manager to run it.”
I come to Italy every three or 4 years. I am against travel but realize I have family over here. I came over here this time because she was very ill. In fact, I left the next day after I got the farm organized and someone to keep an eye on the animals. How much money do I have stupid? Show me some documentation on how much that is?? LOL and please if it is from Juanpee ID theft I will call that out as fake. I am the manager stupid. I have people to assist me occasionally. Got It?
“One of my millionaire friends owned a very big motel in Hershey, PA and managed it from his den in Paradise Valley, AZ, pre internet. He made occasional trips back East, mostly to visit other family, but his contact was an AM phone call. He even went on month long safaris in Africa most every year with even less contact.”
Who the fuck cares about the millionaire friend? BTW, you whine about money then you talk it up, which is it??
“But then, you have it in the real world, not your imaginary one. LOL”
I think you are jealous, makato. Get back to slurping your vodka and OJ on the beach and leave the intellectual work to smarter people.
makati1 on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 5:32 am
Davy, 28 years married. What don’t I know about wives? Your arrogance/stupidity is pathetic.
Me jealous of an overblown, under-educated, arrogant bullshitter that lives in the Ozarks? Who lives on PO for a life. Who probably has shit if reality be known.
Can’t stand being compared to a real person, Davy? He would eat you for breakfast. Self-made millionaire, not family leach. You are nothing. A nobody who deserves what is coming your way. Be patient. LOL
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 6:20 am
Blah blah makato, whine and moan. If you get your nose rubbed in shit stop the behavior. I routinely hand you a lesson but you keep returning. You must like pain
Davy on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 8:20 am
I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. I do want to thank all those who have attacked me with giving me material for growth. I have saved the best of my comments for my new blog. I have years worth of my own material. I have enjoyed moderating the worst of you and neutering your selfish useless agendas. I will still be here it is just I will be spending more time putting out a blog. I don’t expect much of a following with my blog. This is more a personal effort to assemble what I have learned over the last 10 years of formulating my REAL Green Deep Adaptation. Many of my ideas and lifestyles are not mine. I barrow what ever works. I do not claim anything either. It is an open source effort. Anyone can take what I am offering and use it however you want. Take my title if you like. For the stalkers here I hope you find my blog and visit the comment forum. It will be only lightly moderated to prevent juanpee identity theft and excessive cloggo spamming. LOL. There will be a prize for juanpee and annoymouse if you can stalk my blog. Double LOL. Anyway fuck my enemies and many thanks to those who contributed to my metamorphous.
I guess I could have joined the moderated section at PO dot com, but I knew I’d get my ass permanently banned. I’ll try not to let the door smack me up the backside on the way out.
Goodbye to ALL of you dumbasses.
Anonymouse on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 11:33 am
Dont be so hard on the exceptionalturd mak. He has had many deep, intimate and meaningful relationships throughout his long miserable life.
Now, all he needs to do, is try doing the same thing with beings that walk upright, are capable of human speech, and have less than 4 legs.
Nothing to do it right dumbass? Show mak and the rest of how to make the transition from the multi-species world to the human one. Or, quasi-human in your case.