The real, measurable impacts of Trump’s decision to pull out of the Paris climate agreement are going to be few and far between, but the first one we’ve seen thus far has been a drop in the price of oil. This won’t hurt Trump with his voters: market participants think that the U.S. will now pump more oil, leading to long term lower oil prices. Reuters reports:
Crude fell more than 1 percent on Friday, heading for a second straight week of losses, on worries that U.S. President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw from an international climate accord will spur further domestic production and contribute to a persistent global oversupply. […]
“Trump seems to be removing any barriers he can find that would obstruct growth of crude oil or natural gas,” said Stewart Glickman, energy equity analyst at CFRA in New York.
Let’s not give the White House too much credit here, though. The Obama administration, for all of its gesturing towards renewables, was remarkably friendly towards the shale industry. The recent growth we’ve seen in American production is the result of innovation and falling costs in shale drilling, rather than the rolling back of regulations.
But perceptions matter to markets, and Trump’s announcement yesterday has further strengthened analysts’ belief that this Administration will do everything it can to help out America’s oil and gas industry (even though the natural gas boom is responsible for knocking Old King Coal off his throne in the U.S.).
Russia is paying close attention to U.S. oil production these days, and the CEO of the state-owned oil company Rosneft, Igor Sechin, publicly expressed concerns that surging American supplies could overcome petrostate efforts to cut production and push prices back up. We certainly saw evidence of that in trading today.
rockman on Sat, 3rd Jun 2017 11:10 pm
“…on worries that U.S. President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw from an international climate accord will spur further domestic production and contribute to a persistent global oversupply.”
Just amazing, funny and sad…all at once. I don’t know if the writer is that clueless about the very little impact any POTUS has on US production. Or he does and just wants to get some attention even if he has to put out an obvious large pile of bullsh*t. LOL.
For years I’ve teased about President Obama (the “greenest” POTUS in history) has done more to help the fossil fuel industry then any other national leader. Consider the huge surges in drilling, oil prices, oil/NG production, oil exports by withdrawing the oil export ban (which actually never existed), a 300% increase in the export of refinery products, importing more of the “dirtiest oil on the planet” then ever before in history, publicly supporting the southern leg of the Keystone XL pipeline that helped eliminate the choke point at Cushing thus increase the profit potential, making more federal offshore fed acreage available for lease then any POTUS, huge increase in coal exports from fed lands that was aided by his expediting permits to expand Texas export terminals as well as LNG export terminals, etc, etc.
I can play this stupid game all day. Just as I can guarantee the fossil fuel industry will never experience the gains made under President Trump that it did under President Obama.
So was President Obama the most powerful fossil fuel national advocate of all time? Or was he just in the right place at the right time? Just as President Trump finds himself NOT in a good place with respect to US oil development.
And one last point about his huge 1% decline in the price of oil being sold because dropping out of the Paris Accord will least to more oil in the market place. First, oil sold last Friday didn’t earn 1% less. That decline was in the bids for oil future contracts. And even more rediculous: that’s the bet on the price of oil contracts in 30 days.
DerHundistlos on Sat, 3rd Jun 2017 11:24 pm
Life in Trump Country:
It is no longer uncommon in rural America to find households with multiple generations of people living off of disability. Follow this Missouri family with four generations living off of the federal disability program.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2017/06/02/generations-disabled/?tid=pm_local_pop&utm_term=.2a80bd3a7641
Plantagenet on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 12:14 am
@DerHund
Obama loosened the requirements for getting on SSI disability at the start of his administration. Many people who lost their jobs in the Great Recession and then ran through their unemployment benefits then went on SSI disability.
Cheers!
joe on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 12:14 am
Yeah, it Terrible. The Democrats fault for supporting welfare for decades instead of supporting self – sufficiency.
Anonymouse on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 12:21 am
Narravtiveman, farts this out.
“I don’t know if the writer is that clueless about the very little impact any POTUS has on US production”
I dont know you if you are clueless, about what you spent the entire? obomber regime claiming here, that uS presidents have a profound effect on uS production, or at least someone called Barak Obomber did at any rate. You didn’t really specify the vast influence exerted by any other uS ‘presidents’ had in uS oil production, but that just could be because you tend to have a very now-oriented set of narratives to spin. The past can always be re-written, or re-spun to suit current narratives in any event, right?
Of course, you only began to claim, it was all a ‘big joke’ of yours, haha, after the fact, never before, or during. At no point, did you ever claim the that position you took was anything other than one of your core beliefs, or narratives really.
DerHundistlos on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 2:30 am
Planters Wart-
You imbecile, obviously you failed to read the article or you flunked elementary school math. The article reports on multi-generational households and how many years in office was Obama? Your stupidity known no bounds. Obvious attempt by you, once again, to deflect responsibility.
Obama inherited an economy that was hemorrhaging 750.000 jobs a month. He turned a deficit into an economy growing jobs in a matter of months.
DerHundistlos on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 2:49 am
WART-
Deplorable USA aka Trump Country:
If you bothered to look at the statistics rather than speak about a subject about which you know nothing, then you would learn that the greatest growth in SSI occurred during the Bush years. During the Obama presidency, a precipitous decline started in Obama’s second term as the economy improved. Whereas the average growth during the Bush admin. was 5.79%, by 2012 the number declined to 2.94%, followed by 1.13% 2013, .13% 2014, -.50% 2015, -1.13% 2016.
Thus proving PLANTERS WART is an unqualified buffoon.
In rural communities, on average 9.1 percent of working-age people are on disability — nearly twice the urban rate and 40 percent higher than the national average . Areas with the highest rates spread from Appalachia into the Deep South and out into Missouri, places called “disability belts.” The highest of of all can be found in 102 counties, mostly within these belts,
Cloggie on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 4:19 am
With Trump’s decision to play the fossil card, America again lost a significant amount of credibility in its claim to be the world’s exceptionalist leading light.
Trump’s move was in line with his election promise to stand up for America’s forgotten workers and he is to be commended for living up to his campaign promises, where most politicians break promises as soon as they occupy office.
Nevertheless Trump did NOT act in the interest of America. There are currently more people employed in the US solar industry than in coal, oil and gas combined!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/01/25/u-s-solar-energy-employs-more-people-than-oil-coal-and-gas-combined-infographic/#57ac5fd12800
Although there will be many US state level and city initiatives that will will remain loyal to the “spirit of Paris”, most visible the mayor of Pittsburgh.lol, fact is that the required discipline to make the transition really work will be lacking in America and the development of the energy base of the 21st century will be left to Eurasia (China solar and Europe offshore wind).
For the entire post-war period America and the Anglo Seven Sisters powered Europe. Are you sure Donald that you want to wait for European Seven Brothers to power America in the 21st century?
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/30/the-seven-brothers-europe-taking-lead-in-us-offshore/
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/22/wind-power-and-electric-vehicles/
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/the-enormous-energy-potential-of-the-north-sea/
Davy on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 4:36 am
“Life in Trump Country: It is no longer uncommon in rural America to find households with multiple generations of people living off of disability. Follow this Missouri family with four generations living off of the federal disability program.”
Yeap, I see it all the time around here in MO Ozarks. I pay a guy to run a chain saw to help me out occasionally with brush clearing. He is on disability and he works. I know of several people on it. One guy is a functional alcoholic. I guess he got it from being a drunk because you know being drunk is an illness.
Look at it this way though this support is nothing compared to the free money the east and west coasters are getting through opportunity, privilege, and a system rigged in their favor. The fed is dishing out money at very low cost and the Wall Street’ers reinvest this money for nothing into handsome yields. The liberal left academia has just benefited from 1TRIL in student debt with excessive job growth, wage growth, and brand spanking new buildings. The medical field has seen huge increases on the backs of everyone. WTF, and you are complaining about a small payment of a few hundred a month to poor people. You can talk welfare but do you really know what welfare is?
Davy on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 4:51 am
“Obama inherited an economy that was hemorrhaging 750.000 jobs a month. He turned a deficit into an economy growing jobs in a matter of months.”
Obama, did what liberals like to do and that is pad their east and west coast people with plenty of money and opportunity. Obama, through moral hazard policies participated in huge wealth transfer polices as the Main Streets of America were gutted for the rich and connected in the elite enclaves’. Obama didn’t do shit with turning around the economy. He just rearranged the deck chairs for his rich constituents by supporting financial easing and rate repression policies. WTF you think is going to happen when you blow economic bubbles. He did help the oil patch though this support which is odd because he is supposed to also be a green liberal. He talked alligator tears for the poor but who does he hang out with at the golf course? He talks global warming and flies around on private jets. He was supposed to be a beacon of change but instead he boosted drone killings and NSA surveillance. Obama participated in the horrible example of a candidate Killer Klinton. He did do the affordable care act which was a big effort for the poor I will give that to him but that was a compromise with the insurance and big pharma industry. Liberal left is a failure and Obama was the best example of that failure. Go howl in the wind somewhere else Der Hund.
Davy on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 5:09 am
Something is very wrong in this world with such extremes of reactions with public policy and social reality. In the US gun violence is horrendous but look at the resources dedicated to terrorism for a very small amount of violence. Now look what is going on in London. A normal London weekend sees many times the knife violence to what these Muslims attackers did. It is this kind of dysfunction that bring down civilizations.
“1,000 knife crime victims in London each month, shocking new figures show”
http://tinyurl.com/kepcflh
Today’s news on BBC
http://www.bbc.com/news/0
Cloggie on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 6:20 am
Significant innovation from Purdue University, Lafayette, USA:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/06/04/ifbattery-instantaneous-recharging-a-battery/
Instantaneous recharging a car with fluid electrolyte as if it were petrol.
This lowers the threshold of e-vehicle adaption as you don’t need a nation-wide charging system with outdoors power outlets to recharge your car at night.
Davy on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 6:41 am
Cool stuff clog, keep it coming.
rockman on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 8:53 am
Cloggie – “America again lost a significant amount of credibility in its claim to be the world’s exceptionalist leading light.”
Who has ever supported such a claim? More important: who would be so foolish to accept such a childish claim that the US was a “leading light” with respect to dealing with climate. The US that has always consumed a disproportionate share of global oil production. The US that is the 4th largest coal exporting country including a big increase from govt lands. The US that is the largest supplier of refined fossil fuels to the world. And also imports over 1 BILLION bbls per year of the “dirtiest oil on the planet” from Canada to make those products. The US that funds the single largest consumer of fossil fuels on the planet…the Dept of Defense. The US that produces 2X as much CO2 per capita as China and more then 10X as much as India. The US that produces more CO2 by burning NG then any other country: 2X as much as the #2 EU or the #3 Russia. The US that has rewarded foreign oil producers with more then $3 TRILLION in just the last 10 years.
I could go on with many similar stats but I’ll stop there and ask you a simple question: did you really mean to imply that the US was a “leading light” in the battle against climate change PRIOR to President Trump took office? And now we’re going to suddenly become a much worse shepard of the planet’s environment?
Granted the antitrumpers will bang that drum loudly. Many of whom had nothing bad to say against President Obama when much of that long stats of stats I pointed out above.
So what’s next: promoting China as the new “leading light” that has stolen the crown from the US? LOL.
Cloggie on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 9:08 am
the world’s exceptionalist leading light…. Who has ever supported such a claim?
Washington, the media and Hollywood, for decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism
More important: who would be so foolish to accept such a childish claim that the US was a “leading light” with respect to dealing with climate.
I didn’t say that America claimed it was a leading light in matters of climate change.
Oh wait, they actually did.lol:
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/president-obama-climate-action-plan
THE UNITED STATES IS LEADING GLOBAL EFFORTS TO ADDRESS THE THREAT OF CLIMATE CHANGE. ON DECEMBER 12, 2015, PRESIDENT OBAMA AND WORLD LEADERS SECURED A GLOBAL AGREEMENT TO COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE.
The US that produces more CO2 by burning NG then any other country: 2X as much as the #2 EU or the #3 Russia.
You almost make it sounds as if you are proud of it, which of course with you being an oilman is understandable.
But you have to admit that China beats you with a street length in overall CO2 emissions (29% vs 14%).
Seriously…
So what’s next: promoting China as the new “leading light” that has stolen the crown from the US? LOL.
No I don’t see neither the US nor China as leading lights in fighting climate change. Who I do see as a leading light, that my friend, I am not going to reveal on an American-centric forum.lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7PTwXtmp2E
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/06/02/us-withdraws-from-paris-agreement-on-climate-change/
Cloggie on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 9:17 am
P.S. I’m not an expert on climate change and Paris Accords. I can’t even rule out that Trump had a point that the US had a bad deal in comparison with China and India. After all, Obama notoriously represented the interests of the globalists (#ConspiracyTheoryAlert!), not those of the American workers.
Food for thought:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/01/08/what-countries-are-the-most-energy-efficient/
Fortunately there are still countries giving the good example.
😉
Apneaman on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 9:20 am
Thanks gossip monkey clog.
Why You Were Born to Gossip
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/talking-apes/201502/why-you-were-born-gossip
Gossip makes up 80 percent of our conversations – and that might be OK: experts
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/gossip-80-percent-conversations-experts-article-1.403005
See, you are no more in control of your behaviour than your monkey cousins gossiping away in their monkey tree – just a bigger tree and a more complex method of gossip. Same as sex and violence and reward seeking – not in control. That feeling you have that you are in charge is called an illusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksJ6QP8BYn0
Cloggie on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 9:29 am
Well, you ain’t known as Ape around here for nothing. You are the most talkative around here with your off-topic weather reports.
What’s next? Pancake recipes?
Davy on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 9:34 am
“the world’s exceptionalist leading light…. Who has ever supported such a claim?” “Washington, the media and Hollywood, for decades.”
So what cloggie that is not most people I know. Quit you hazing the US and praising your dumbass Europe. Europe is the leading killer of the world historically from intellectual dumbass and civilized killing. European damage can never be undone. On our species tombstone we need a RIP “here rest the human species that chose the European path. It lead humans to a hell and they took the entire planet with them.”
“Who I do see as a leading light, that my friend, I am not going to reveal on an American-centric forum.lol”
Clog, why are you here on (your words) “American-centric” and my words “doomer” forum? BTW, you comment more “per Capita” than anyone else on this board. I post plenty but nowhere near what you do and at all hours. Do you friggen sleep. I love Europe but you are making me feel less love daily.
Apneaman on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 9:34 am
clog, China is an old “leading light” and if not for human overshoot leading to exhaustion then extinction, they would regain their long held crown.
Cloggie on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 9:58 am
So what cloggie that is not most people I know.
Yes, but these people don’t matter in international affairs.
Europe is the leading killer of the world historically from intellectual dumbass and civilized killing.
Is that so?
https://www.quora.com/Which-country-has-killed-the-most-people
The USSR and China clearly beat us.
And then there is the US:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051
And I have explained here numerous times what really happened in WW1 (British organized) and WW2 (American Jews organized). I don’t consider British or American Jews as European.
It lead humans to a hell and they took the entire planet with them.”
Well that remains to be seen. Meanwhile the Europeans (including their American offshoot) created quite a comfortable world. My guilt complexes are limited.
BTW, you comment more “per Capita” than anyone else on this board. I post plenty but nowhere near what you do and at all hours. Do you friggen sleep.
Yes Europeans are productive indeed and have a lot of interesting information to share with their fellow human beings.
clog, China is an old “leading light” and if not for human overshoot leading to exhaustion then extinction, they would regain their long held crown.
You say it: “old” and “would”.
rockman on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 11:26 am
Cloggie – “You almost make it sounds as if you are proud of it, which of course with you being an oilman is understandable.” You seem to have it backwards: why would someone who has spent his lifetime hunting for petroleum be proud of how the US has wasted so much of a critical and finite resource? Why would a true patriot be proud of spending $trillions in taxes and thousands of our military lives on “oil wars” so we can continue our gluttony? Fortunately the Rockman et al keep doing what they are trained to do. So try this thought experiment: so some folks don’t like how the US injects itself into ME affairs today. Now imagine what it would be like today had not the shale and Canadian oil sands boomed. IOW what would you envision happening today had the US not been getting that combined 7 million bopd back in 2014? Some folks think we are selfish and cruel assholes now. Imagine what we would be like if the world denied us “our” oil. LOL.
But seriously: Americans have a fairly well established history of getting what we want regardless of what it costs…someone else.
Proud? Look at my posts: other then sprinkling in a little silly humor, the Rockman tends to leave emotions out and tries to stick with the FACTS. Facts that might come across in a misunderstood emotional context as you just did.
rockman on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 11:34 am
Cloggie – “Yes Europeans are productive indeed…” Hey! There are some very productive Texans around here too. Not mentioning names, of course. And posting at all hours? Not a problem for those of us with trigeminal neuralgia. Easy to post every few hours since you’re awake anyway and need the distraction.
What? Oh, OK: https://www.mstrust.org.uk/a-z/trigeminal-neuralgia
jawagord on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 12:11 pm
Hate to be a nit picker but the referenced article does not say/support:
“There are currently more people employed in the US solar industry than in coal, oil and gas combined!”
What the article describes is employment in power generation industry with a further caveat that most of those green jobs are of the temporary manual type for the installation of solar panels. Keep reading the article and it mentions the million plus people working in the oil, gas, coal industries.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/01/25/u-s-solar-energy-employs-more-people-than-oil-coal-and-gas-combined-infographic/#57ac5fd12800
Apneaman on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 1:27 pm
Sorry puny humans, but the inertia is unstoppable and your monkey politic arguing over “climate deals” is as fucking meaningless as the rest of it.
Iran’s Sistan in crisis mode as mercury shoots up 56 °C = 132.8 Fahrenheit
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/06/04/524162/Iran-Sistan-Baluchestan-Rouhani-Chitchian-Kenarak
In a decade or so there will be a few days of 56 °C during the growing season and it will turn the grain proteins into goo (denature).
Kenz300 on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 1:56 pm
Peak oil consumption will happen sooner than most people think.
We went from land lines to cell phones in a very short time period.
The transition to all electric vehicles form the ICE Internal Combustion engines will be just as fast.
Better technology at cheaper prices with less environmental impact win in the end.
DerHundistlos on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 4:23 pm
Davy-
admonishes me, “and you are complaining about a small payment of a few hundred a month to poor people. You can talk welfare but do you really know what welfare is?”
Clearly, you know just as little otherwise you would appreciate that few hundred a month equals annual expenditures of $192 billion, more than food stamps, welfare, housing subsidies, unemployment benefits COMBINED. The ONLY reason you are shedding tears is because it supports your pro-Republican meme. It’s so obvious. You see nothing wrong with creating communities wholly dependent for generations on government hand-outs because it helps YOUR Trump constituency. So sad.
Your comments demonstrate the fundamental problem with the Republican mentality. Any and all deficiencies are the fault of others, insert {gays, Blacks, Mexicans, non-Christians, Liberals, Democrats, non-Red states, East Coast states, West coast states, environmentalists, teachers, universities, students, feminists, Planned Parenthood, etc, etc.} IOW any group not associated with the Red team.
You never consider the possibility that state and local Republican policies in these areas are a failure.
The idea of personal responsibility is anathema.
I say let the states of the South and Appalachia secede and accept responsibility for their actions or lack there of.
Cloggie on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 5:57 pm
Not a problem for those of us with trigeminal neuralgia. Easy to post every few hours since you’re awake anyway and need the distraction.
Rockman, I was aware of your condition. Good that you manage to keep spirits high, at least on this forum and remain stoic under sometimes vicious attacks and generally remain good-humoured.
Apneaman on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 6:42 pm
April marked the 388th month in a row that the global temperature was warmer than average
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2017/05/18/april-was-the-388th-consecutive-month-that-global-temperature-was-warmer-than-average/
Apneaman on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 6:45 pm
How Fast Is Permafrost Thawing?
“A vicious cycle
It is believed that there are more greenhouse gases trapped beneath the permafrost than are present in our atmosphere currently.”
https://www.envirotech-online.com/news/environmental-laboratory/7/breaking-news/how-fast-is-permafrost-thawing/42642
They’re coming – can’t be stopped – game over.
Davy on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 8:02 pm
I am not Republican Der hund. I am a doomer so your message doesn’t gain traction with me. I do not find any meaning in the liberal or conservative way. The reason I was critical of your comment is I stick up for the little guy. I support the underdog. I stand up for the people that are considered inferior. You are a left wing liberal elite type and your grounding is political identity violence. I am especially sick of liberals who are high and mighty. These Self-righteous and pompous types that talk down people they consider inferior. Liberals with the double standards and who talk a talk you don’t walk. Go howl in the wind some maybe it will make you feel better.
DerHundistlos on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 8:14 pm
Yea right, Davy. Save it for someone who does not know better. In addition to me, you have heard the same observations from other posters as well, but everyone else is flawed, not Dear Davy.
You are delusional and transparent.
Davy on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 8:23 pm
Der hund your idea of finding meaning and strength because of the number of people who might support your thinking does not interest me. I think for myself not because of others opinions. For someone like you who has a weak spirit I can understand this. I have always steered clear of majorities. Majorities are magnets for morons.
DerHundistlos on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 9:22 pm
Davy-
Instead of spending your time criticizing others, your time would be better spent on self-reflection.
I detest bullshit and I call it out. Most recently your admonishment that I am, “complaining about a small payment of a few hundred a month to poor people. You can talk welfare but do you really know what welfare is?” Clearly, you know just as little otherwise you would appreciate that the small payment you reference equals annual expenditures of $192 billion, more than food stamps, welfare, housing subsidies, and unemployment benefits COMBINED. Even worse, you entirely ignore the fact that disability payments are creating in rural America entire communities wholly dependent for generations on government hand-outs. If it helps the pro-Trump constituency, who cares about the financial ramifications for the nation nor the harm it does to people.
makati1 on Sun, 4th Jun 2017 9:56 pm
DerHund, Davy doesn’t own a mirror, glass or mental. He knows what he would see there, if he was brave and honest enough to look closely. A brainwashed !%er with no idea of the real world outside the mental one he surrounds himself with. He prefers to put down anyone who tries to tell him about it or disagrees with his clouded and warped viewpoint. He is a perfect example of the Missouri Mule. You can lead him to education, but you cannot make him think. Good luck!
Davy on Mon, 5th Jun 2017 5:53 am
“Instead of spending your time criticizing others, your time would be better spent on self-reflection.”
You know you won the argument when they resort to the usual psychological help advice or talk about meds. That is a tell tail sign of defeat. Der Hund, I don’t need your advice. You are no of that caliber to give advice in this situation. In fact you need advice and counselling or better yet consoling from mom.
If it makes you feel better der hund around here there are some solidly conservative types. There are some that are not well educated but act educated. They are not stupid or retarded just not book smart. I give them a rash of hell when I hear them spout off stupidity. I attack stupidity as an affront to the truth. It is my nature. When I am corrected I learn something. Maybe you need to learn something.
I am not denying your stupid welfare argument. It is an old and worn out argument. What I am saying is welfare permeates all aspect of society including the welfare of privilege to your dumbass liberal left. The big money that goes to your elite connected liberal left that cries alligator tears for the poor. That shit makes me sick. You are like most extremist here you can dish the shit out but when it comes back you are all gut shot about it.
Davy on Mon, 5th Jun 2017 5:59 am
Makati, I wish for once you would say something new. Same old shit another day. This is what happens to old people when their mind starts to give. They repeat things. They embellish things. They eventually become partially incoherent like child’s talk. It’s funny sometimes but in your case it is sad. You are somewhere in that process.
GregT on Mon, 5th Jun 2017 8:01 am
“Better technology at cheaper prices with less environmental impact win in the end.”
“We went from land lines to cell phones in a very short time period.”
Right Kenz. Cell phones are not cheaper than land lines, and their environmental impact is far greater.
Technology requires energy and resources. The expoitation of both, is destroying the natural environment.
JuanP on Mon, 5th Jun 2017 4:46 pm
Derhund “Life in Trump Country:
It is no longer uncommon in rural America to find households with multiple generations of people living off of disability.” You are very late to the party and very easily brainwashed. I have been reading about and witnessing this crap going on for more than a decade. Also, here in Miami it has become quite common to divide single family homes and put up to five families in one house. And people have been increasingly living in garages for at least 15 years, too. Welcome to the Fourth World, Derhund!
JuanP on Mon, 5th Jun 2017 4:49 pm
Cloggie “With Trump’s decision to play the fossil card, America again lost a significant amount of credibility in its claim to be the world’s exceptionalist leading light.” I wasn’t aware that the USA had any credibility left. LOL!
JuanP on Mon, 5th Jun 2017 4:53 pm
Anonymouse “I dont know you if you are clueless, about what you spent the entire? obomber regime claiming here, that uS presidents have a profound effect on uS production, or at least someone called Barak Obomber did at any rate.” I beg to disagree. I have been reading Rockman’s comments for more than a decade, both here and at TOD, and his position on this subject has consistently been that US oil production is based on prices and markets and not politicians’ actions.
JuanP on Mon, 5th Jun 2017 5:11 pm
Cloggie “The USSR and China clearly beat us.” Please! The USSR was never a country. And comparing the USSR and China with any puny Western European country is ridiculous. Besides, the Europeans have been murdering people abroad for millenia. There is absolutely no doubt that the most violent, aggressive, and murderous humans have been Western Europeans and their descendants. How many native Americans did white people kill? More than 90% of them. Considering how insignificantly small Western European countries are the damage they have caused all over the world through time is without parallel.
JuanP on Mon, 5th Jun 2017 5:19 pm
The Paris Climate Accord was a load of crap. All talk and no walk. It contains no enforcement or penalties. I expected it to be a waste of resources and it was, but, hey, a lot of assholes got a free vacation in the city of lights. Paris was humanity’s last chance before it was too late and we missed the train. Trump’s decision is meaningless. We will destroy the biosphere and no amount of talking or farting will change anything. It is already too late. Focus on saving yourself and your loved ones because the biosphere and human civilization can’t be saved.
makati1 on Mon, 5th Jun 2017 7:51 pm
Davy, ever reread your echoing crap? Same thing, different long winded drivel. I didn’t notice anything posted from the site manager about no repeating allowed. I only point out the obvious to those with an open mind. The U$ MSM propaganda mills use repetition all the time to brainwash the masses and it works. Look in the mirror. Oh, I forgot, you don’t own one. LMAO
Davy on Mon, 5th Jun 2017 8:12 pm
Read my comment again Makati. The point still holds. Your just a blowhard old man and a waste of time.
GregT on Mon, 5th Jun 2017 10:53 pm
“You know you won the argument when they resort to the usual psychological help advice or talk about meds.”
When “‘they’ resort to the usual psychological help advice or talk about meds”, it might be a good time to take a long hard look in the mirror.
There is no conspiracy here Davy, and there is no imaginary gang. Just individual human beings speaking their minds, and many bright ones at that.
makati1 on Mon, 5th Jun 2017 11:05 pm
Davy, why read your crap again? It wasn’t worth reading the first time, but it is fun to pull your chain. It is soooo easy! I keep hitting that same old ‘patriotic’ nerve. Soon even you will realize that you now live in the 3rd or, maybe even, the 4th world.
GregT on Tue, 6th Jun 2017 12:47 am
“There is absolutely no doubt that the most violent, aggressive, and murderous humans have been Western Europeans and their descendants.”
No doubt at all.
Cloggie on Tue, 6th Jun 2017 3:54 am
Cloggie “The USSR and China clearly beat us.” Please! The USSR was never a country.
Now that’s a smart strategy! If we are busy making a country ranking according to murder rate, we are going to declare a country not a country, just because we have already political correct decided who will be on top of that ranking.
And comparing the USSR and China with any puny Western European country is ridiculous.
Em, you forgot to explain why comparing China with western Europe is “ridiculous”. Again, for the same reason: whitey these days is an easy target and you already admitted you would love to see the West fall (but you will make sure as hell that if the US goes down, you will get your ass moved to very white Uruguay, we are not going to harm our own interests, now do we JuanP?).
Here the truth about these communist regimes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
(and this is NWO publications Wikipedia that hates to say anything bad about communism)
Besides, the Europeans have been murdering people abroad for millenia. There is absolutely no doubt that the most violent, aggressive, and murderous humans have been Western Europeans and their descendants.
Really? The point of course is that the non-Europeans hardly have a documented history, in contrast to the Europeans. But there is absolutely no reason to assume that these folks were any less murderous then the Europeans. And if they were, that was because they didn’t have the technical means to do so. South-American Indians practiced human slaughter. African tribes merrily went after each other. North-American “Indians”, same story. This ridiculous Chief Seattle story is a pure fabrication by a libtard from New England.
This whole idea of the “noble savage” is a typical product of (kosher dominated) North-American academia with zero relation to reality.
No doubt at all.
How can you live with yourself, Greg?
Davy on Tue, 6th Jun 2017 5:10 am
“When “‘they’ resort to the usual psychological help advice or talk about meds”, it might be a good time to take a long hard look in the mirror.”
The prick is back to pricking? Greg, I was referring to you also with the amateur advice and psychological help. People like you are usually the ones on meds and seeking help this is why you are always giving the advice and talking about meds. Have you got a job yet? That is my advice to you because I don’t think you do shit up there in those BC forested hills but walk your dog and play in the little greenhouse. How much wood can you cut? I think you are bored to death and that is why you are on this board bashing people you don’t like. I think you are a pathetic example of an old man without direction or productive future. You flipped your Vancouver house for a cool million to some money laundering China man and now you are up in your secluded enclave hiding out for the coming collapse You hypocritically talking climate change and social justice as you bash people unjustly especially Americans you hate with a passion. Why do you think you are so tight with makati? Because he is the worst of the worst for spreading hatred and discontent.