The Covert Origins of ISIS

20 Comments on "The Covert Origins of ISIS"

penury on Mon, 1st Sep 2014 10:19 am 



Another excuse for the USA USA crowd to claim that this site is anti-American

Davy on Mon, 1st Sep 2014 11:56 am 



Pen, come on, if you think this site is pro USA you are hurting in the IQ. I have no problem criticizing the USA for many reasons. I just get sick of the expats and non American’s that think they have shit that don’t stink. They love to bash America but then are unable to man up and admit to where they are from. It amazes me those that can dish out shit but can’t take it.

M_B_S on Mon, 1st Sep 2014 12:39 pm 



Putin knows why the Ukraine is important.

He read B. book too…:)

M_B_S

Poordogabone on Mon, 1st Sep 2014 1:23 pm 



Pro american, anti american? This is painting what is going on with a stupid broad brush.
It’s like saying that people who are against Israel policies are anti-Semite.

I love America but don’t think much of the cartel of thugs that do not represent 99% of people’s interests here but still make the policies. I was firmly against invading Afghanistan and Iraq. Does that make me Anti american? I don’t think so.

Nationalism plays right into the hands of TPTB.

Aire on Mon, 1st Sep 2014 1:44 pm 



I kinda can see why this video may seem pro- Assad tho. It talks about how to stop ISIS – support Assad ? Common Assad is just as evil as ISIS … so why would this video suggest this ? Personally, these people are fighting no matter what. They are oppressed hence the Arab spring – sure there is religion involved and ideology but the truth is that people in these regions are hungry a lot if the time, treating unjustly by their governments to the point armed conflict is the result. American corporations and government know this and decide to profit from it. One day I’m sure there will be a small group profiting from the American Spring Uprising. Also I believe the western world will turn more into Latin America before scaling to right out chaos like the Middle East.

Makati1 on Mon, 1st Sep 2014 7:11 pm 



Poordoga bone, my sentiments exactly. I never claimed to hate the US but I am also not a blind, flag waving, American “patriot”. I have mentioned many times here that I am a 14th generation American (1734) and have been an American, by ancestry, longer than most on here.

I served in the US military 11 years. Nine as an officer. I am one of the expats that Davy likes to put down, because I no longer support the DC Mafia in their goal of ‘world domination at any cost]. If that is “anti-US” so be it. There are other, better, places to live in this world besides the USSA. I have found mine.

Theedrich Yeat on Mon, 1st Sep 2014 7:33 pm 



Much of this is already known to those of us who have been awake and not hypnotized by the Ministry of Propaganda (the MSM).  But the U.S. has long had a massively corrupt central government.  From before Abraham Lincoln to Barack Obama, its aim has been to control the globe, with the end justifying the means.  Domestically its message is “American values,” which are determined by the current ringmasters.  Abroad its message is “Submit or we will kill you.”  We are going to see whether this grab for planetary power will continue as we come face to face with the results of Peak Oil.

redpill on Mon, 1st Sep 2014 7:47 pm 



Mak, how many Americans do you consider as part of the “DC Mafia”? You think the DCM is reading/posting here?

Many in America think as Pdog but you seem to paint the entire country with a very broad brush in almost everything you post. You make no attempt to suggest how things could be done better, you just talk shit.

“but I am also not a blind, flag waving, American “patriot”. Yeah, you sure as shit are not. But guess what, if most of us were then Obama wouldn’t be the first president since Eisenhower to win re-election by a majority.

steve on Mon, 1st Sep 2014 9:32 pm 



“Domestically its message is “American values,” which are determined by the current ringmasters. Abroad its message is “Submit or we will kill you.” We are going to see whether this grab for planetary power will continue as we come face to face with the results of Peak Oil.” A bit melodramatic…Theed….but the U.S will slink back to North America and South America and the rest of the world will have new bullies to deal with…I doubt they will be much better probably in a peak oil crises think ten times worse…Makati think Japan before ww2…not a very pretty site….

Plantagenet on Mon, 1st Sep 2014 9:42 pm 



There is no doubt that Obama covertly supported the Syrian rebels against Assad. However, Obama didn’t set out to create the Islamic State —- He was simply ignorant about the nature of the Islamist opposition to Assad, and too stupid to understand what his policies would ultimately lead to.

Keith_McClary on Mon, 1st Sep 2014 10:23 pm 



I read the transcript, didn’t watch video.
Not much new there if you’ve been following these things.

“ISIS was allowed to carry this equipment out of Iraq and into Syria unimpeded. The U.S. military had the means to strike these convoys, but they didn’t lift a finger … Why would they do that?”

Do you have a better explanation than scg for US inaction??

Plantagenet on Mon, 1st Sep 2014 10:28 pm 



@KeithMcClary

Sure. Obama is an incompetent. He was on vacation and on the golf course when “ISIS was allowed to carry this equipment out of Iraq and into Syria unimpeded” and just didn’t want to think about ISIS until he got back to DC. Thats why when Obama got back to DC and was asked what his strategy was, he said he didn’t have a strategy.

theedrich on Tue, 2nd Sep 2014 3:31 am 



It is not just the current marionette on the throne.  Americans in general love committing genocide in order to bring beatitude to the world.  It’s really missionary work.  Fornicating for virginity.

It’s especially fun when you can have others do your dirty work — or even machines, with minumum human involvement.  More deaths for your tax dollar.  After all, the lives of others are meaningless if they do not do our bidding.  That’s why we have no compunctions about stirring up hornets’ nests in World #3.

As for Ukraine, we now know what Barry meant when he told Vlad that he would have more flexibility after the 2010 election.  The Russkies get their portion, we get ours, as we make a show of indignation over the actions of the new czar.  Then back to BAU.

Makati1 on Tue, 2nd Sep 2014 9:32 am 



redpill, if you are of b\voting age, you are guilty of the same things your master does. Without your support they cannot function. So, you all voting age Americans are guilty.

steve, so you support the US murders around the world because they benefit you personally? How do you know there would be problems if the world’s biggest terrorist country was destroyed? You don’t. The US has been the destroyer of peace since WW2.

Plant, the CIA created the ISIS faction, and are still in control. You have to remember that the US is trying to start a big war to cover the coming financial collapse of the dollar among other things.

Davy on Tue, 2nd Sep 2014 9:41 am 



The US has not been perfect and is descending into corruption like the rest of the world but it has been the stability that has brought world growth to where it is at. The alternative was Moa and Stalin. I am sure these guys are great role models for some anti Americans on the forum.

R1verat on Tue, 2nd Sep 2014 10:32 am 



I for one, resent the implication that I, as a US citizen, am somehow guilty of contributing to any of the US policies or that I concur with the direction the US gov’t is going.

Mak, I was an officer in the military too. So what?

I so wish the ‘contributors’ would stay on point on this site & knock off the US bashing (& any other countries). Is a waste of time for the writer & the reader.

JuanP on Tue, 2nd Sep 2014 11:31 am 



I found one particular tidbit interesting. According to this, Syria is the last secular country in the Middle East.
Religious fundamentalism is increasing in several areas of the world.
I think it is likely that religion will regain some of the popularity it has lost lately in a collapsing world.

Plantagenet on Tue, 2nd Sep 2014 11:50 am 



@Makatai

The CIA didn’t go rogue and independently decide to aid the Islamist rebels in Syria. It was Obama administration policy to bring down the secular Assad regime. Obama put sanctions on the Assad regime and gave speech after speech saying Assad had to go, and Obama also directed the CIA to covertly aid the rebels who were fighting Assad, the vast majority of whom were Islamists. Now the Obama administration has collapsed into failure—the Islamist rebels that Obama directed the CIA to assist have morphed into ISIS.

The chickens are coming home to roost.

Makati1 on Tue, 2nd Sep 2014 8:15 pm 



Plant, Obama only decides which golf club to use next. Nothing else. He is an actor on a stage, reading his lines. If you don’t realize that has been true for at least he and Bush Jr. You need to look again. The real masters don’t want intelligent leaders. They want scapegoats. The next one you ‘elect’ will be even worse. Wait and see.

Makati1 on Tue, 2nd Sep 2014 8:23 pm 



R1verrat, you are guilty, as am I. As are ALL other Americans of voting age. You are still armed. You outnumber the government bots 100 to one. Why hasn’t there been a revolt? Because you and everyone else like the goodies they get from the government. If you are still in the military, you are one of those living off of the few workers that are left in the country. There is no real threat to America other than to it’s wasteful lifestyle.

At least the East Ukrainians still have a backbone and are willing to die for what they truly believe in. Americans hire others to die for them so they can stay home and watch football.

No country in history has had 800+ military camps in over 100 countries. It is not fear, it is greed and the lust for power. Hitler would be envious of the US and it’s methods of war.