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The Amherst Cauldron
We have been fortunate to be outside the United States for these past three months, and able to take our news unfogged by the media cabal. The parallel universe occupied by US news is especially poignant when viewing something like the situation in the Ukraine. Lately we have been watching a rebel counteroffensive that had surrounded and slowly exterminated the NATO puppet army in the Donbass region, around the railway hub at Debaltsevo, in a military maneuver called “the cauldron.” It was executed by volunteer foot-soldiers who, armed with small arms and trophy mortars and rockets, scored a massive victory against attacking battalions of Empire’s tanks and heavy artillery backed by NATO drones and AWACs.
The Russians remember “the cauldron” all too well. In the winter of 1941-1942, during the Wehrmacht Blitz on Stalingrad, Germany’s northern offensive was stopped and surrounded in the Valdai Hills near the town of Demyansk. There, nine of Stalin’s armies attacked Field Marshal Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb’s Heeresgruppe Nord (Army Group North) with the objective of breaking the siege at Leningrad and pushing the invaders farther west, away from Moscow. The Germans were facing a vastly superior enemy while freezing in their threadbare summer uniforms.
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| A cauldron |
Cut-off German units formed strongpoints in villages that were bypassed by Red Army assault troops, and follow-up Soviet units had to constantly siphon off forces to try and overcome them. Some of the strongpoints fell, while others held out for weeks. Hitler demanded Demyansk be held at all cost, so the German commanders were denied the freedom of action necessary to prevent a Russian flanking maneuver. On February 9, contact with overland supply lines was severed and the Demyansk Kessel (cauldron) was born. Fortunately for the Germans, the Luftwaffe, at the cost of 265 aircraft, was able to resupply the 100,000 troops trapped there until a breakout could be mounted in March.
Which brings us to the present moment. We have been scratching our heads for an analogy by which to explain the war in Ukraine, which is auguring in a new Cold War between the US and Russia, to USAnians whose only sources of information are The New York Times, CNN or Fox. It is easy enough to watch Russia Today or read blogs like Club Orlov, but most people don’t—and so absorb the sabre-rattling by senior Washington officials as if it were grounded in some actual facts. The analogy we concocted, while imprecise and awkward, nonetheless serves a purpose, which is to expose the psychotic break with reality that has taken place in the US media. Imagine, if you will, the region of New England plus New York in place of the Ukraine, with Albany in the role of Kiev, Maine in the role of Crimea and Canada in the role of Russia. To make the analogy work, we will have to assume that New York City will undergo a spontaneous existence failure at some point and leave that subject unexplored.
Wall Street Bankers watch warily from their penthouse eyries the power that populist movements like Occupy is gaining, especially in Albany but also in the New England States. Determined to thwart them, lest a revolt gather momentum against their interests, they decide to funnel millions of dollars to right wing rabble, to cause massive trouble… and to then wrest order out of the ensuing chaos (this part of their plan was always a bit sketchy, but they couldn’t think of anything better).
Unfortunately, the only psychologically normal right-wing rabble they can find wouldn’t pass the physical due to weight issues and is permanently glued to giant plasma TV screens with their mouths stuffed full of cheese doodles, and so they have to go with the rejects: skinheads, neo-Nazis, gun freaks and prepper wing-nuts. A State Department official is tasked with feeding and herding these rejects together.
After a sudden and severe downturn in the stock market, the economy goes into free-fall and events spin out of control. Anarchist rallies take place throughout New England. A prominent Goldman Sachs broker’s Connecticut estate is overrun and videos posted to YouTube show pearled chandeliers and gold faucets. Throughout New England, grassroots efforts drive legislators to enact sweeping reforms. A new “uniform code” of banking reforms, designed to break finance cartels and prosecute fraud, takes hold among the states, snatching the initiative away from the bureaucratic heel-draggers at the federal level.
Then comes the great day that changes everything. It starts as a small protest march in Albany, to which the State Police predictably overreact. But then a group of snipers, of unknown provenance, kill a hundred or so people, both protesters and police among them. After that incident, a group of rioters, some secretly in the pay of Wall Street and coordinated by the US State Department, seize the Capitol in Albany. Much to everyone’s surprise, the New York National Guard defects to the rebel side. Despite impassioned pleas from the Canadian Premier, Washington does not send in troops to restore order.
In the anarchy that is Albany, a slate of fresh faces wins a statewide referendum and forms a new state government. It is quickly endorsed by other parts of the emergent “New England Federation” of states, all of which want to push back against the Wall Street bankers and their corruption by enlarging the scope of the uniform code. But the federally-funded wing-nuts also move quickly to consolidate their power, pushing through a wide-reaching agenda of oppressive laws. Some states in New England try to distance themselves, while others serve as apologists. Maine surprises everyone when it decides that it wants nothing to do with any of this and votes to secede and join Canada. Washington vows to take Maine back but it is trying to walk a narrow line with Canada, whose fossil fuel resources it views as indispensable.
Instead, Washington imposes sanctions. Céline Dion is denied a visa and has to cancel her Las Vegas shows. Steven Colbert, Justin Bieber and other Canadians suffer similar indignities. Downward pressure is exerted on gold and silver prices, hurting the largest Canadian pension funds, and a speculative attack on the Canadian dollar drives down its exchange rate temporarily.
But now things get interesting. Having installed its hand-picked crazies in Albany, Washington can no longer control them. It is a textbook example of blowback. Aghast, the states to the East look on as their civil rights are revoked, non-New York residents are openly discriminated against and draconian rules and taxes are levied. All New Yorkers between the ages of 15 and 65 are conscripted into the New York Militia. Over 700,000 of them refuse to serve and flee into Canada, while another 100,000 or so flee to other states. With anyone with two legs and a brain heading for the border, Albany’s recruits can only be described as “bottom of the barrel.” Many of them turn out to be quite interested in pillaging and terrorizing the population, but when it comes to fighting they are very quick to abandon their weapons and either run away or surrender.
Massachusetts, Vermont and New Hampshire start to protest the heavy-handed Albany laws and begin withdrawing their support. Albany overreacts to this and sends its National Guard troops to take part in an “Anti-Terrorist Operation” to crush a large protest march in Boston, claiming that Massachusetts invited its help. When the tear gas and the pepper spray only enrage the crowd, the Guard escalates by going block-by-block with tanks and armored personnel carriers. When this tactic fails due to extreme hostility from the locals, the Guard withdraws to the outskirts and starts lobbing shells into the city from a safe distance.
The National Guard also digs in at Logan International Airport and from there commences a methodical shelling campaign of the city, laying waste to a number of symbolic, non-military targets such as the Boston Symphony, the Museum of Fine Arts and Faneuil Hall. This shelling campaign backfires massively: when a ballistic missile destroys Boston Latin School in the middle of the school day, entire neighborhoods of Boston line up to enlist with the Massachusetts Minutemen. The dispirited draftees and assorted wing-nut rejects fielded by Albany now face off against the entire professional class of Boston, which is determined to obliterate them.
In addition to the residents, numerous alumni of Boston’s many colleges and universities filter in to take up arms in defense of their alma mater. The MIT grads specialize in interfering with and shutting down Albany’s communications, which they can do more or less at will, while the Harvard grads launch a publicity campaign which defeats Albany’s efforts at spreading propaganda and disinformation. The graduates of Boston University’s College of General Studies work clandestinely to destroy the enemy’s ability to spell, punctuate and do sums. The graduates of Berklee School of Music do their patriotic best by “embedding” themselves with the enemy and giving them a wide assortment of venereal diseases. And that’s just four from a list of over a hundred local institutions of higher learning!
When the Minutemen finally regain control of the airport, where there is now hardly any above-ground structure left standing, they discover its numerous sub-basements and communications tunnels clogged with corpses. In addition to the usual wing-nuts from upstate New York, they identify quite a number of members of Blackwater/Academi, a few Navy Seals, some members of Homeland Defense, plus a few known Islamic terrorists. They let them rest where they lay and backfill the entrances.
When support rallies break out in Burlington and Brattleboro, Albany sends massive “anti-terrorist” strike forces there as well, clandestinely equipped by the Pentagon with missile batteries, tanks and artillery. However, not wishing the secret hand to become too obvious, operational control is left with to the Albany wing-nuts, who, not being adept at military maneuvers, get lost and find themselves encircled at Amherst, in Western Massachusetts and being slowly decimated by the Massachusetts Minutemen.
The New York National Guard now finds itself snow-bound, trapped in the cold, but killing whatever local residents they can find because that’s all there is for them to do, while Washington faces a dilemma. Does it send the 82nd Airborne to relieve them, as John McCain is demanding? Canada steps forward and brokers a ceasefire between the rebels and the encircled NY Guard, but either Albany fails to give the orders to extract its stranded force, or their orders are ignored, and so fighting in the cauldron resumes.
As the National Guardsmen eventually surrender or flee, they abandon to the Minutemen 80 or so tanks that only lack fresh batteries, mended track or diesel fuel, hundreds of armored personnel carriers in similarly serviceable condition, railroad car-loads of ammunition, lots of artillery and mortars and countless heavy machine guns. The Massachusetts Minutemen now have all the weapons they need to equip 100,000 fighting men and march all the way to Albany, but disgruntled National Guardsmen may blow it up before they can get there.
What is Washington’s response now? In what amounts to group psychosis, the Canadian Prime Minister is personally blamed for everything that has happened. The Norfolk fleet is moved to just off Halifax, where it spends its time steaming about on random headings. More stars of film and music, including Anna Paquin, Seth Rogan, Ellen Page and Mike Meyers, are singled out and denied visas. There are rumors of plans to seize the Alberta Tar Sands if Canada does not stop arming the rebels, despite zero evidence that the Massachusetts Minutemen are using anything more than what was in their own National Guard armories, plus whatever they took as trophies in the many battles they won.
Albany is portrayed as the region’s defender of freedom and rightful government, with the implication that it will bring the whole region back into Washington’s fold if given more time, money and weapons. No reporters can be bothered to interview Vermonters or to go to Maine and find out how things are going there now that it is a province of Canada. Certainly no one ventures anywhere near Amherst, which has become a heavily mined free-fire zone and a junkyard for abandoned tanks and APCs. No effort is made to find out what happened; instead, every effort is expended in presenting the Canadians as bloodthirsty criminals with imperial ambitions.
The Canadian reaction to all this remains predictably low-key. It seems that an extreme northern climate does not easily give rise to tempestuous expressions of public will. In spite of being sorely provoked, and in spite of continuous non-payment, the Canadians decline to shut off the electricity supply from HydroQuébec. After welcoming Maine into the Confederation, the Canadians limit their involvement in the conflict to provision of humanitarian aid via endless convoys of white maple leaf-emblazoned tractor-trailers, unconditional acceptance of all refugees from south of the border, and very active diplomacy with the aim of bringing about a cessation of hostilities.
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| The Debaltsevo cauldron |
This is by no means a perfect analogy, but consider what the US media was saying as the Debaltsevo cauldron scenario unfolded. There was almost no mention of the cauldron, or why the latest ceasefire, which took 17 hours to negotiate, lasted just a few minutes—until the Ukrainian forces opened fire again, openly ignoring their orders. MSNBC just read the State Department press releases and the remainder of the media mainly recycled talking points from delusional windbags like Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh.
One obvious difference between the two narratives is that it is unlikely that the twerked-out populace of US states could ever organize an effective opposition to their ruling oligarchy, so our account is likely to remain fictional. But in the Ukraine the nightmare is real, ongoing and will not end well for anyone—not even for the oligarchs who started it.
57 Comments on "The Amherst Cauldron"
Plantagenet on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 1:39 am
Orlov has turned out to be a Russian propagandist. He seems to be plagiarizing much of his material directly from RT and other state-controlled Russian media outlets.
hiruitnguyse on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 1:45 am
Twerked out….Al Bates must be inspired by JHK.
Sinnycool on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 2:27 am
Plantagenet,
When it comes to a credibility contest between you and Dmitry Orlov, you are diminished by your comment, not him.
How do you dismiss this article of Ron Paul’s?
Makati1 on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 3:29 am
Orlov once again comes thru with the truth about the situation and a great story putting it into American context.
Americans have not had bombs exploding in their towns for 150 years and will soon be reminded what they are putting the rest of the world through when it comes home to “Albany”. As it eventually will. Oceans no longer are protection…
hculliton on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 5:41 am
I like the analogy! As a Canadian , can I command the drive south from Kingston into New York? Wait a sec: there isn’t really anything south of the Great Lakes that we want.
Davy on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 5:55 am
You agendist and Russian propagandist here amuse me. You have an inferior intellectual level of understanding. You are in a delusion of the mind that comes from the good guy bad guy syndrome. You are consumed with hatred and resentment hence the inability to rise above the filth.
I can understand your hackles being up and I can understand the anti-American sentiment. The DC thieves and Wall Street parasites are so well funded and organized that it is probably a good thing that this extreme alternative news is generated by the anti-Americans. Anyone that think life is this simplistic is low IQ. Orlov has drifted into a fantasy state that good minds often get lost into. He once preached a fine and useful message but now he has become a propagandist.
Those who are preaching the Russian’s are great are just as bad as the American flag waivers. Russia is a mafia state and Putin a criminal with a cable of criminals under his control. BAU is criminal and the DC thugs are fascists that are bent on a neocon vision of total world control. All of you will be consumed by your hatred and resentment in a war to end all industrial man wars.
When one preaches like I just did he opens himself up to the same criticism he just spewed. I accept this and acknowledge I become part of it by trying to balance out other pitiful anti-Americans like Mak. It is the blame game and the agendas that ensure the global world will go through a shit storm of war and conflict.
So really there is no hope for a top down arrangement of peace, collapse mitigation, and adjustment i.e. plan B. The mad dogs in Russia and the US will play their war games. They are nothing but war pigs. You can try to justify the Russians for this or that reason but come on please these Russians are criminals and war pigs. You can’t put lipstick on a coyote ugly and call her cute. You can drink a package of beer and through the fog of alcohol see a hot babe. Then the morning comes and you wake up to a nasty night of sex. Enjoy your war porn boys while it lasts.
Cloud9 on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 6:24 am
The caldron is the result of the people finding themselves caught between the hammer and the anvil. There is a distinct possibility now that the great game players have reignited the cold war that a mistake will be made. A careful review of the last confrontation reveals several moments when providence saved us and nothing else. Providence may not come down on the side of humanity this time. The great players are in an echo chamber listening to themselves pontificate. Their control of the situation is an illusion. Fools damn fools all of them.
Davy on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 6:45 am
Cloud, if the NUK’s fly I will be hearing the detonations with a major army base 40mi as the crow flys. Mak has me on that one. That is far enough to maybe survive. It will be a site to behold
Dredd on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 8:31 am
War and oil do mix in a cauldron.
GregT on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 9:59 am
The Eastern Ukrainians are fighting for their homes. The Kiev forces are being drafted into this war and many have been defecting to Russia, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia or Poland. Kiev is now on it’s fourth round of forced conscription and has signed into law that defectors can be shot.
“Ukraine’s parliament has passed a law which authorizes commanding officers to use physical force against army defectors. It comes as the latest military draft has seen a lack of enthusiasm on the part of potential soldiers.”
“Ukraine’s parliament voted on Thursday with 260 MPs in favor – only 226 votes were needed to pass the law. The new article 22(1) added to the charter regulating service in the armed forces of Ukraine states that commanders “have the right to personally use physical force, special means, and weapons when in combat” against soldiers who commit “criminal acts.”
“Under criminal acts the law lists “disobedience, resistance or threat to use force against the commander, voluntary abandonment of military positions and certain locations of military units in areas of combat missions.”
“In late January, a new Ukrainian military draft for 2015 came into effect. This one is the fourth wave of mobilization since Kiev launched a military operation against militias in eastern Ukraine in April 2014.”
“It was expected to see 100,000 people joining the army in three stages throughout the year. However, the country’s Defense Ministry said on January 31 that nearly 7,500 Ukrainians are already facing criminal charges for evading military service.”
http://rt.com/news/229739-ukraine-army-shoot-defectors/
drwater on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 11:42 am
Cloud9 +1
Plantagenet on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 12:49 pm
The Germans invaded Ukraine from the west in 1941.
The Russsians invaded Ukraine from the east in 2014.
History repeats itself. The first time is tragedy— the second time is farce.
Don on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 1:09 pm
Got it, so if you grab your Russian rosetta stone and chant, “S Nami Bog!”, you are a good peace loving person and if you grab an AR and chant, “Wolverines!” you’re a neo-nazi. Spasibo Tovarisch!
Apneaman on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 1:14 pm
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend”
Western governments have turned their non 1% citizens into enemies.
GregT on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 1:15 pm
Russia fought with the West against the Germans in WW2.
Russia is now fighting against the bandarites that supported Hitler’s Germany during WW2.
History repeats itself, except that this time the West is supporting the fascists that we and the Russians fought against together in WW2.
Nigel on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 1:25 pm
I favour the East.
GregT on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 1:27 pm
I favour the rights of the people to self determination, without the threat of being exterminated by the very governments that are supposed to be representing them.
Nigel on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 1:38 pm
Hear, hear… well said.
Plantagenet on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 1:59 pm
@Gregt
The USSR started out as a Nazi ally—Russia and Nazi Germany jointly invaded Poland, for instance.
It was only after Hitler invaded Russia that Stalin changed sides and started fighting Hitler.
This Russian invasion of Ukraine reminds me of the Nazi+Russian invasion of Poland in 1939—the Nazis said they invading Poland to protect the ethnic German minority and now the Russians are invading Ukraine to supposedly protect ethnic Russians.
Putin has stolen his current game plan from Hitler and Stalin—this is just like 1939 all over again.
GregT on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 2:09 pm
There has been no evidence presented supporting Russian military involvement in Eastern Ukraine. Only Western media propaganda. If there were Russian military columns in Eastern Ukraine, you can be sure that photos would be front page news on every news source throughout the entire Associated “free” press.
Plantagenet on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 2:46 pm
@gregt:
If you actually believe the Russian propaganda that there is no “Russian military involvement in eastern Ukraine” then excuse me a second.
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
Goddam thats funny.
Jeez….people are so funny.
Thanks Greg. I needed a good laugh.
CHEERS!
Plantagenet on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 2:53 pm
hahahahahahahahah!
One has to laugh. You must live in a cave not to have seen the news reporters interviewing Russian soldiers and officers inside Ukraine?? The Russian artillery, tanks, anti-aircraft missiles etc. in eastern Ukraine are invisible to you? You missed the Russians shooting down a passenger jet? Really?
And did you also miss it when Putin himself admitted he had sent Russian soldiers into Crimea during that part of the invasion?
Of course you did. You poor puppy—you didn’t see anything did you?
OK….I’ll help you out, dude.
Check this out—here’s a good summary of the Russian invasion with lots of references and citations that provide evidence of the involvement of the Russian military.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine
Cheers!
jjhman on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 3:06 pm
It’s fascinating to realize that even from the grave Stalin is still a force in the Russian sphere of reference. Does anybody here know why there are so many Russians for Putin to “defend” in so many non-Russian nations?
It’s because good ole’ Uncle Joe put them there for this very reason. There are enough Russians in every country controlled by the USSR to give a proto-Tsar like Putin an excuse to re-assemble the old Russian empire.
I started to read this article and suspecting the worst skipped to see who the author is. In spite of a huge sympathy for the long suffering of the Russian people under 500 years of bad government I refuse to read crap by a Tsarist sympathiser such as Orlov has become.
Northwest Resident on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 3:21 pm
Push the glutster’s button to invoke a heavy burst of maniacal laughter and an obscene rendition of a thoroughly distorted view of the world as seen through the lens of his muddled mind. Fascinating, in a morbid kind of way. But that button works every time.
Apneaman on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 3:55 pm
Plant, that’s the same kind of evidence I see for aliens and ESP. Your tardness knows no bounds.
Apneaman on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 3:58 pm
I’m sure they gave them weapons, but that’s what everyone does so it goes without saying. “Fuck the EU” says potty mouth Vicky.
dissident on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 4:35 pm
All this yapping about Russian support for the rebels. What a retarded joke! NATO was the KLA’s airforce in secession war in Kosovo during 1999 and NATO was the airforce of the militants who overthrew Qaddafi in Libya 2011.
If Russia acted like the airforce of the Donbas rebels, they would have taken over Kiev already.
Dredd on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 4:49 pm
Pivot to the Pacific for refreshment:
“There’s no easy way to say this, so I’ll just say it: We’re no longer No. 1. Today, we’re No. 2. Yes, it’s official. The Chinese economy just overtook the United States economy to become the largest in the world. For the first time since Ulysses S. Grant was president, America is not the leading economic power on the planet.
It just happened — and almost nobody noticed.”
(http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2014/12/economic-war-of-pacific-4.html“>quoting Market Watch).
That is what spending more than the industrial nations combined, on war waste will do to anyone.
Especially if they are exceptional.
Apneaman on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 5:20 pm
Propaganda, mass psychology, and the Ukraine
Prof. Jerry Kroth dissects the high level of mainstream propaganda over the crisis in the Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VqxOQ6b5gE
GregT on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 5:52 pm
There are Russian citizens fighting on both sides of the civil war in Ukraine. As all Russian men are required to do mandatory military service, all Russian men were/are military soldiers, or officers.
The donbass region in Eastern Ukraine is an industrialized area. They manufacture both military equipment and arms for Russia. Also, Ukraine being a former Soviet state, happens to have stockpiles of former Soviet era heavy military equipment. If not for the Budapest memorandum (the one that the US State department violated), Ukraine would still have stockpiles of nuclear weapons as well.
Crimea was not invaded. Under the Kharkiv Pact Russia had an agreement with Ukraine to maintain a naval base with as many as 16,000 troops stationed there. The Russians stopped a bloodbath in Crimea. No military gunfire was exchanged.
Davy on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 6:04 pm
We can be sure the Russian’s are in Ukraine. If they aren’t they are idiots. This is a serious war for the Russians so you know there are Special Forces, advisors, spooks, and volunteers that are ex-regular army.
JJ, nice Orlov mention. Orlov is as bad as the folks he rants and rails about. He reminds me of the anti-matter of fox news and friends. Anti-Americans love him that is why he has become so extreme. He is just like a racist leader the more extreme the better. Extremist love extremist.
Lets face it the eastern Ukraine is a Russian zone. It should be allowed to be a part of Russia. Russia should pay Ukraine for it to compensate for the loss. The Native Americans solved many of their conflict with war bribes. Ukraine is going to be lucky to keep the rest of the country together let alone the east. Hell, give the Russians the land bridge to Crimea. Let’s be done with the stupidity and get ready for the end of BAU.
Davy on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 6:12 pm
Dred, the US and China cannot be compared 1 on 1 because of the difference in the populations and economies. It is better to say the US is the biggest developed nation and China the biggest developing country or exporter and consumer nation. Typical statistical views that paint the picture you want to see are not reality. China and US are apples and oranges.
GregT on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 6:18 pm
Davy,
Watch the link supplied by Apnea above. Here it is again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VqxOQ6b5gE
GregT on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 6:20 pm
I’m not even going to waste my time with the idiotic board clown. We all know who he is.
Davy on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 6:26 pm
Yeap Greg, western anti-Russian agenda at its worst but kind of entertaining. The facts are Russia is a mafia state run by a criminal who has his thumb on a cabal of wealthy criminals. Putin is grandiose and dangerous. Yet, he is still slightly better than the DC fascists….just barely.
Apneaman on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 6:29 pm
Watch the video Davy and pay attention to the numbers about your bases and soldiers around the Globe and how you out spend everyone else collectively. All to promote peace and democracy? Stop defending your empire Davy. It is indefensible. You are starting to sound like the MSM whores. This is American empire aggression plain and simple.
GregT on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 6:33 pm
Two Mafia States run by criminals, both with their own cabals of wealthy criminals, both with huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons. One group of criminals is the aggressor, the other one is on the defensive. The aggressor, if not stopped, is going to plunge the entire globe into WW3. This is in no-ones best interests, including the citizens of the aggressor state, except for the criminals themselves.
This isn’t about choosing sides Davy. It is about telling the truth, and calling a spade a spade.
Davy on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 6:51 pm
OOOOoo Ap, you are the anti-matter MSM whore sounding defensive anti-American. I am not getting all bent out of shape because I agree with you just don’t blow your fart breath Russian lust love in my direction. I am not buying it. Give me something better than a Mafia state run by a criminal.
Makati1 on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 6:54 pm
You all DO realize that the Wiki site is edited by the CIA don’t you? That is common news. Do you really think that most info sites are NOT read and edited? If so, I have a slightly aged bridge I can let you have cheap in NYC.
Davy on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 6:56 pm
Sorry Greg, Russian is not the one on the defensive. Putin is on the attack why do you think the DC whores are so focused on the Ukraine and causing Russian pain. I agree with you the US is pushing a war button that could end it for all of us. It is a truly bad forign policy for the US and the world. But I am still not buying the fart breath Russian love lust that is the typical anti-American drum beat. Russia is a criminal state run by a criminal with a militaristic attitude before, now and in the future. Like I said Russia is slightly better than the DC fascist but just barely. This is not about choosing sides or flag waiving. Its about seeing filth.
Davy on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 7:00 pm
So What Makster. The whole friggen world is edited. Your wonderful China and Russia are on the bottom side of journalistic press freedoms. Talk about hypocritical talk. Come on Makster quit your agendas and show fairness and balance. You would have more respect here.
Makati1 on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 7:13 pm
GregT, Davy still pretends he is not blinded by the US flag waving in his face, but he is. Coming from a 1% background is like being raised Muslim. (I have had a few millionaire friends.) There is no chance of change at the basic level. The indoctrination is in his bones, even if he denies it to himself.
To admit that the US is the world’s premier terrorist organization is beyond his ability. He has to find something wrong with every other country in the world and it is always THEIR fault. Especially Asia. Doomed to a fate much worse than that coming to the UFSA.
As if Americans will somehow survive the Armageddon they are bringing on themselves by allowing their government to start wars for profit all over the world. Think Japan prior to Pearl Harbor or Hitler prior to invading France. Just change Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, etc. for China, Philippines, Singapore, etc.(Japan) or Poland, Denmark, etc.(Hitler) and you will see what I mean.
I have stopped reading his rants. But, I do read all of yours so I get the jist of his comments to you. Nothing new there.
Davy on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 7:35 pm
Now your talkin Makster. I just love when you lay into me. It means I got under your slimy skin. You know it shows more strength to ignore me but sometimes you just can’t take it. I have a way of shooting holes in your agenda that drives you nuty.
Oh, Mak, Your life is a failure so anything is better than that. I made money and was successful. You are a bumb in a cheap condo in Manila. Nuff Said
^!^
GregT on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 7:39 pm
“why do you think the DC whores are so focused on the Ukraine and causing Russian pain.”
Because they are trying to initiate their NWO Davy. They are trying to crush Russia economically. They are attempting to shut down the BRICS. The East has already broadcast multiple times that they are not going to allow the DC oligarchs to unilaterally take control of the world’s financial interests. They have repeatedly stated that they are fine with international cooperation, a basket of currencies, whatever it takes, but the world is not going to sit back and let the DC mafia bring the entire globe to it’s knees.
It is the US that is the aggressor here Davy. Everyone from Beijing to Berlin knows this. This isn’t some secret conspiracy, it is very well known and understood.
Davy on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 7:48 pm
It takes two to tango Greg. Russia is an aggressive criminal state. Like I said the DC fascists are marginally worse. What is good for you is the DC fascist are in decline so why get bent out of shape your side is winning. Russia is achieving their objectives in the Ukraine.
redpill on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 7:56 pm
Who runs this site? Do they ever post?
Davy on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 8:03 pm
Red, good question. Whoever posts they are heavy on the anti-American agenda. Even the MSM cat piss from DC and WS posted here is actually anti-American showing the bad side of America. Rarely does this site actually post an article that is American positive. The whole friggen world is anti-American. America is not all bad. The whole world is looking for scapegoats for their failures and that turns out to be the Americans these days. Grow up world.
GregT on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 8:05 pm
One more time Davy. I really do not understand why you are unable to figure this out. I am not choosing sides. My country’s oligarchs are in bed with the DC mafia. The Canadian government is also on the wrong side of this dispute. My country is also supporting fascism, neo-naziism, ethnic cleansing and genocide in Ukraine. My country is also involved in a religious war against Islam. A war that will accomplish nothing other than to fuel international terrorism.
Russia does not have the US surrounded with missile silos. Russia is not systematically destabilizing the entire ME. Russia does not have military bases in 63 other sovereign nations around the globe. Russia does not have military personnel in 156 countries world wide. Russia did not instigate the overthrow of the democratically elected government in Ukraine in clear violation of the Budapest memorandum that the US signed. Russia is not empirical. Russia is not the aggressor.
Why do you support these people Davy?
Davy on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 8:22 pm
One more time Greg. I do not support the DC fascist. Russia is a criminal state with the most NUK’s in the world. It is run by a criminal dictator whose criminal buddies have looted their country. What you say about the US sounds pretty good but with a fair amount of agenda. Anyone who says they don’t have a side has a side. My side is doom and both Russia and the US are criminal in that respect because they are not allowing a plan B from the top down.
I chose neither side and find both disgusting as I do with most other nations. There is no way I am going to give Russia any sympathy. Russia is achieving their goals in Ukraine. They are winning Greg. Rejoice in the taste of victory. Russia should win in the Ukraine. The eastern Ukraine is historic Russia. Greg, why should you feel self-conscious for wanting Russia to win? Russia is a great country with reasons to succeed in the Ukraine.
That does not change the fact that the Russian leadership is criminal and the country has the same military industrial complex the US does but much smaller. Russians are becoming aggressive militarily. Putin is feeling his grandiosity. He is a chess bandit that revels in playing a dangerous game of global brinkmanship. He has every right because of what the DC fascists are up to. But please does that make him Saint Putin? No. He is a blue eyed devil that could easily kill us all with his finger on the trigger of Armageddon.
Apneaman on Tue, 24th Feb 2015 8:36 pm
Davy, If you would have watched the video instead of knowing it all you would have seen the good prof expose the Russian propaganda too. The time stamp shows you lasted a whole 6 mins before your patriotism kicked in again. Anyone who thinks nuclear war is not possible has no understanding of humans.