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System Change will not be Negotiated
We frequently hear calls for system change, at public mobilisations, in conference halls and even in negotiation halls. The calls come as slogans, they come in anger and they come as a strong rebuke to the systemic scaffold on which our pains, our exploitation and the denial of our voices and rights are hung.
The necessity of system change is inescapable. The present system is dependent on the extreme exploitation and enslavement of nature and labour, built around an inherently unjust core. We are in the dying days of a civilisation driven by fossil fuels. This end is not coming merely because of the recorded and predicted severe species extinction, or by peak oil. Its end is being heralded by a looming climatic catastrophe and by the reawakening of social forces realising that slavery persists as long as the enslaved is unaware of his state.
As Oilwatch International highlight, there are:
‘similarities in the current pattern of resource exploitation in countries of the Global South, and affected peoples in the rest of the world which reflects historical legacy of disempowerment of peoples, plunder of natural resources and destruction of environment, and [Oilwatch] considers the recognition of the right of peoples to self-determination and cultural integrity as primary in the resolution of environmental problems.’
Our urgent task is to reclaim the future, and this will not be attainable if the current system persists.
Green Capitalism
Green was once a colour. Today it has turned into a silencing code that lulls us into accepting that Nature cannot be protected unless financial value is placed on her. The Rio + 20 summit served as a platform for the elevation of the concept of Green Economy as a major plank for global environmental governance, especially with regard to climate change. ‘Green Economy’ permits the financialization of everything, through a plethora of instruments such as those intended to reduce emissions from deforestation and forest degradation (REDD, REDD plus), emissions trading schemes (ETS), clean development mechanisms (CDM) and the like.
Green economy is a neo-liberal idea that hoists the financialization of Nature and carbon offsetting as ideal tools for nature protection. It has been cooked up to entrench current capitalist production modes and power relations where might is right. Poor, vulnerable and cash-strapped nations that contribute little or nothing to global warming see the trickles that drop into their empty bowls from market mechanisms, while their citizens are displaced from their territories, forced to bear a disproportionate level of real climate actions. With climate change neatly ‘boxed’ as a matter of means of handling carbon emissions, the world conveniently ignores the root cause of the crises: the origins of those emissions.
This entrenched situation is neo-colonial and imperialist. It upturns every notion of justice, including the common but differentiated responsibilities anchor of pre-2011 climate negotiations.
A just climate regime ought not to scratch for funds to tackle the emergencies already throwing up climate refugees. A clear solution for climate finance can be found in the Peoples Agreement, which demands that countries cut their emissions by at least 50% at source between 2013 and 2017, without recourse to offsets and other carbon trading schemes, and that developed countries commit 6% of their GDP to finance adaptation and mitigation needs. The payment of climate debt is not seen as a mere demand for reparations, but as a means of decolonising the atmospheric space and redistributing what meagre space or carbon budget is left. It is a means towards obligating humans to take actions to restore disrupted natural cycles of Nature
Climate change negotiations offer us a clear lens to see that market environmentalism approaches are merely means of escape from responsibility and measureable action. A look at the Paris Agreement reached at COP21 reveals that the major cause of global warming – fossil fuels utilisation in production and transportation – is not recognised in the process of tackling global warming. The notion that any carbon, emitted anywhere, can be offset by carbon absorbed anywhere else has given rise to the concept of net emissions, offering polluting nations the ultimate escape hatch through which to retain their levels of pollution and consumption, while grabbing lands, forests and waters elsewhere to compensate.
It is now well known that at least 80% of currently known fossil fuels reserves must be left untapped and unburned to keep temperature increases to below 2°C. What’s troubling is that not only is this not being discussed at climate negotiations, but that new reserves are being sought, and extraction methods are being intensified. A clear throwback to fiddling while the city burns.
The fact that fossil fuels are not renewable does not deter the fossil addicts. In order to remove the cloud of dust (and doubt) over fossil fixations, the industry came up with the term clean coal, and the notions that carbon pollution can be tackled through carbon capture and storage or sequestration, or through types of geo-engineering. These unproven technologies are all ways of resisting the need for change and ensuring business as usual. The best possible outcome would be to postpone the evil day and build an uncertain future for our children. Unfortunately, that day cannot be postponed much longer.
Centrality of Nature
The call for system change is a call to a common-sense path that would secure the survival of the human race. It is also a call for humans to recognise their humanity as just one of the species on planet earth. Studies and observations have shown that species stand better chances of survival when they cooperate, live and work in solidarity rather than in competition; when we build bridges and not walls, when we give up some space and allow others to breathe.
The Earth speaks. The sky speaks. The trees speak. All of Nature speaks. Communication is a vital tool for survival. Let us take one example of how certain trees in the African savannah communicate in order to avoid having their leaves eaten up. Researchers found that when giraffes start to eat the leaves of umbrella thorn acacias, the trees release some toxic substances that offends the taste buds of the giraffes. That was a direct defence line. The researchers noticed that the giraffes would then skip the next umbrella thorn acacia trees, and move by about 100 metres before resuming their dinner.
Why did they move over such a distance before resuming their feast? This is the explanation (Wohlleben, 2016):
“The acacia trees that were being eaten gave off warning gas (specifically, ethylene) that signalled to neighbouring trees of the same species that a crisis was at hand. Right away, all the forewarned trees also pumped toxins into their leaves to prepare themselves. The giraffes were wise to this game and therefore moved farther away to a part of the savannah where they could find trees that were oblivious to what was going on.”
Trees communicate by a variety of other ways, including through their roots systems, affirming metaphorically that indeed, it takes roots to weather the storm.
Re-Source Democracy
We speak of the gifts of Nature as re-sources. Yes, re-sources, intentionally hyphenated because we are speaking not of commodities, but of the vital need for humans to return to the source, to reconnect to Nature, to think of the source before lifting the chisel, hammer, shovel, drill or rig.
Re-source democracy is a call for the recognition of the rights of Nature, including her right to regenerate and maintain her cycles. It is built on a clear understanding of the uses and intrinsic values of the gifts of Nature. Re-source democracy demands the interrogation of the meaning of progress and development, to help us draw the line between what we can accept or reject in our environment. Navdanya further gives clarity to this idea:
‘We need a new paradigm to respond to the fragmentation caused by various forms of fundamentalism. We need a new movement, which allows us to move from the dominant and pervasive culture of violence, destruction and death to a culture of non-violence, creative peace and life…the Earth democracy movement…provides an alternative worldview in which humans are embedded in the Earth Family, we are connected to each other through love, compassion, not hatred and violence and ecological responsibility and economic justice replaces greed, consumerism and competition as objectives of human life.’
Convergence of Movements
System change will be birthed by a convergence of movements. It will not be a matter of either or, it will be a matter for all. We have to continually remind ourselves that our lives and realities are formed by a web of relationships, issues and realities, and that we require diversity of approaches to effectively confront and overcome them – with the diversity of movements coalescing around common organizing principles. For example, in the case of ecological resurgence, movements can come together using the Precautionary Principle as a pivot. Another basic impulse will be the recognition of the leadership of communities of peoples – especially indigenous women – on the frontlines of ecological defense and system change struggles.
System Change will not be Negotiated
The present fossil-based civilization is running out of gas and its terminal point is imminent – whether planned or not. Our task is to hasten the demise of this destructive system, in which unjust relations are seen as opportunities for amassing profit. This is the time for drastic actions to bring about ecological health for all our communities and relatives on planet Earth. It is time to change the narrative that we can measure well-being by aggregating gross domestic product. The struggles of First Nation brothers and sisters in North America, the Ogoni in Nigeria’s Niger Delta, the Yasunidos of Ecuador and many others show that the battle can be tough and abrasive. But we have no options: industrial growth societies have been built on the platforms of gross injustice.
Those who benefit from the unjust, disruptive and unsustainable system – the handful of men that have more financial means than billions of men and women – will not listen to logical needs for system change. They have heard it over and over again. It is a system where the poor, no matter how wise, cannot sit at the official negotiation tables. It is a system that believes that, with the right financial means, one can make a dash for safety to another planet if apocalypse happens.
History will judge the present generation very harshly if a transition is not made to a Life-Sustaining Society – a society in which humans and the environment are linked, not ranked. This society will come about only if we stand together with Earth Protectors and denounce the criminalisation of dissent and the constriction of democratic space that is fast becoming the norm.
It is time to speak up and let a thousand solutions bloom. It is no time to be silent. System change will come about when the power of We the People becomes a rallying call and a pivot of action. We the People can redefine energy and own our clean, localised, energy generation and production systems. We the People can reclaim our streams, creeks and rivers and deny industry their privatisation and use as sewers.
As the saying goes: freedom is not something that is given, it is taken. System change will not be negotiated. Change will come as fists burst through the cracks in the pavements just like saplings spring from hardened soils.
This is an abridged version of the Keynote Presentation given on February 15, 2017 at the Ecological Challenges Conference 2017, Faculty of Social Sciences, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway. Read the full paper here.
41 Comments on "System Change will not be Negotiated"
Davy on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 1:53 pm
I like this guy’s talk on a certain level. My spirituality is with nature. I am against the status quo. I am anti-modern. I am anti-modern not because modern is necessarily bad but because humans do not possess the wisdom to be modern. I am looking for what fits and modern does not fit the human condition. Yet, we are stuck modern so I will ride this one off the cliff with everyone else. What choice do we have really? Live with it or die by it. The sad truth is living modern will kill you and there is little you or anyone can do about it.
I am as honest with myself as I can manage. I believe in being a realist and facing the truth no matter how bad it appears. The truth appears very bad on all fronts. Nothings at all shows promise. Some things will be helpful but only temporarily. We may skate along a few years before things get really bad but we are now in those times when at any moment things can go from bad to very bad.
This article’s idealism is empty. The reason it is empty is we are not going to system change except with a destructive bifurcation that will land us at a lower carrying capacity level. We are in overshoot so a lower carrying capacity equals some kind of die off. At this point in time you are not going to change things by organizing at the system level and expect to get solutions. You as an individual or small community may do a little better but that is another subject. This article is talking about changing our common system. We are going to get a lot less once the status quo is disrupted.
One important point with destructive change is when is the right time to pull the trigger? Do we wait and maybe get the worst by delaying the inevitable or do we self-destruct now as a common effort? That common effort at self-destruction is not going to happen but you get my drift. Waiting may make things worse but the reality is the status quo will practice self-preservation at all costs.
It’s OK to talk this talk but be honest about it. The so called “people’s agreement” of cutting emissions by 50% will kill people and destroy economies. Developed economies should devote 6% to mitigation but that is a burden that will have consequences and those consequences are other problems are not dealt with. The pie is shrinking and the human tribe is growing larger. The math does not add up. This article is dressed up collapse talk so be honest and say what it is. I am OK with the message just say what it is. I can’t stand all the various groups today who want solutions but want to ignore the consequences. There are no solutions only Band-Aids to predicaments. There are some solutions around the edges and with niches but no system solutions that don’t involve horrible trade-offs.
It sounds great to talk about cooperation but the reality of decline means we will have no choice but to accommodate conflict. Get used to it. People will fight if that is their only option and increasingly that will be all they have. I would rephrase this from the article: “let a thousand solutions bloom” to: Prepare your hospice and lifeboats the time is near for a civilization to unwind. When civilization unwinds we are going to be the sensitive creatures caught in the cogs of a system self-destructing. Flesh and bones will be ripped up in a meat grinder. There are many things we can do but most of what is coming can only be endured. Get a grip and get tough because what is ahead will test modern man like he has never been tested. WWII was horrible but there were outs. There is no place to hide today. The entire planetary system is involved.
Apneaman on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 2:13 pm
Tis true that most of those big environmental NGO’s were used like whores. Gatekeepers whose top management people live very comfortable lives. If the big corporations are the enemy and you take “sponsorship” money from them, they own you.
None of this bullshit can stop the trainwreck in progress. Strange to me how so few people understand the implications of the mass extinction underway. Caused of course by human systems. 7.5 billion and growing techno industrial humans are a cancer to the biosphere. There is just no way to argue against that.
Fish Under Threat As World’s Oceans Continue To Deoxygenate And Acidify
“Oldspeak: “Acidic oceans, caused by a drop in PH levels as carbon is absorbed, threaten creatures’ ability to build their calcium-based shells and other structures. Warming waters have also caused reproductive problems in species such as cod, and triggered their migration to colder climates. Lower oxygen levels in larger parts of the ocean are expected to force animals to seek out ever shrinking patches of habitable water, with significant impacts on the ecosystem and food web.
Callum Roberts, the author of Ocean of Life and a marine conservation biologist at the University of York, is unsurprised by the latest findings. “What we’re seeing is fallout from global warming,” he says. “It’s straightforward physics and chemistry playing out in front of our eyes, entirely in keeping with what we’d expect and yet another nail in coffin of climate change denial.”
https://theoldspeakjournal.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/fish-under-threat-as-worlds-oceans-continue-to-deoxygenate-and-acidify/
makati1 on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 5:26 pm
“The present fossil-based civilization is running out of gas and its terminal point is imminent”
The world seems to be full of dreamers/deniers these days. I guess reality is just too much for them. Where they are not dreaming and/or denying, they are encouraging chaos and destruction. The circus cannot last much longer. The clowns are getting tired and the lions are getting hungry. Exciting times, No?
Apneaman on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 5:49 pm
The Only Thing, Historically, That’s Curbed Inequality: Catastrophe
Plagues, revolutions, massive wars, collapsed states—these are what reliably reduce economic disparities.
“This equalizing was a rare outcome in modern times but by no means unique over the long run of history. Inequality has been written into the DNA of civilization ever since humans first settled down to farm the land. Throughout history, only massive, violent shocks that upended the established order proved powerful enough to flatten disparities in income and wealth. They appeared in four different guises: mass-mobilization warfare, violent and transformative revolutions, state collapse, and catastrophic epidemics. Hundreds of millions perished in their wake, and by the time these crises had passed, the gap between rich and poor had shrunk.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/02/scheidel-great-leveler-inequality-violence/517164/?single_page=true
penury on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 5:50 pm
Any person or group which thinks that “humans” will have any say in ‘System Reset” are unaware of reality. Systems are being reset, the world does not need our approval or cooperation. Humans will change and adapt or they will die. That is our choice, such as it is, and I think the choice has been made many years ago, and now we get to live (or die) with the decisions we and our ancestors have made.
makati1 on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 6:05 pm
Penury, that is why I pretty much ignore the oily articles as they are insignificant to our survival. Up. Down. Who gives a damn except those suckers still paying the game of numbers at the Market Casino. I don’t.
Mother Nature is holding all of the cards now, and she doesn’t differentiate between roaches and humans. All equal in her game. I have a large family in the States, but I cannot worry about their future. I have no control over it. Nor do you or anyone else on this planet. We played our cards decades ago and now have to wait for the end of the game.
Davy on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 6:17 pm
I have a feeling something similar is in all our futures one day.
“75% Of Venezuelans Lose “At Least 19 Pounds” In 2016”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-21/75-venezuelans-lose-least-19-pounds-2016
“the living conditions survey found that 75% of Venezuelans lost “an average of at least 19 pounds” in 2016 due to food shortages.”
“Meanwhile, lack of food and basic services is also creating an education crisis with more than 1 million children no longer attending school due to a lack of food, running water and/or electricity.”
Harquebus on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 7:50 pm
The system can not be changed. It must crash and burn so that we can rebuild something better.
Apneaman on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 8:33 pm
The humans biggest predicament is the natural systems they have changed. The carbon cycle being #1 on the list.
Long weekend brings record temperatures to Hamilton
“In fact, the Hamilton area smashed through some previous records, as reported by The Hamilton Spectator.
Saturday’s high of 13 degrees broke through the old mark of 9.7 set back in 1981.
Sunday also hit a high of 13 degrees inching by the record from 1984.”
http://www.inews880.com/syn/66/102705/102705
Record temperatures set Saturday and Sunday in New Philadelphia
http://www.timesreporter.com/news/20170220/record-temperatures-set-saturday-and-sunday-in-new-philadelphia
Record Warmth Continues
“CENTRAL ILLINOIS – The abnormally warm middle of February continues across the CI. Monday marked the 4th straight day of record breaking warmth in Springfield. This is the third time in February that the Capitol City has reached at least 70 degrees for a high temperature. This ties the record of 3 days in the 70s dating back to 1976. Lincoln tied the monthly record high of 74 Monday, which dates back to 1930.”
http://www.wandtv.com/story/34551352/record-warmth-continues
The new abnormal…for a bit then all the records will be broken again and again and the media people will still be saying, golly gee willikers we are sure having some unseasonably warm weather lately.
Apneaman on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 8:47 pm
British Antarctic Survey (BAS) recently captured this video footage of a huge crack in the Larsen C Ice Shelf, on the Antarctic Peninsula.
“Currently a huge iceberg, roughly the size of Norfolk, looks set to break off Larsen C Ice Shelf, which is more than twice the size of Wales. Satellite observations from February 2017 show the growing crack in the ice shelf which suggests that an iceberg with an area of more than 5,000 km² is likely to calve soon.”
https://www.bas.ac.uk/media-post/new-footage-shows-rift-in-larsen-c-ice-shelf/
makati1 on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 9:00 pm
Ap, my sister is in southern PA and is doing yard work in 70F temps. It is usually around freezing with a foot or more of snow this time of year. Crazy!
Sissyfuss on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 10:27 pm
Wow, the Venezuelan diet works better than Atkins. Gotta get the book if they haven’t eaten them all by now.
Muzzie on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 10:30 pm
You the people are gay fruitcakes. Until you destroy technology you will not change anything. and you never will.
Antius on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 11:00 pm
‘I like this guy’s talk on a certain level. My spirituality is with nature. I am against the status quo. I am anti-modern. I am anti-modern not because modern is necessarily bad but because humans do not possess the wisdom to be modern. I am looking for what fits and modern does not fit the human condition. Yet, we are stuck modern so I will ride this one off the cliff with everyone else. What choice do we have really? Live with it or die by it. The sad truth is living modern will kill you and there is little you or anyone can do about it.’
Excellent post Davy. It sums up the situation we are in. The pleas of concerned citizens inevitably hit a brick wall as soon as serious financial issues are involved. We are stuck in a driverless car, about to head over a cliff.
I have said it before and will say it again, the only happy ending for most people alive today would involve some means of getting off this planet. It doesn’t seem very likely, but the only other option would appear to be a massive die-off. We are like bacteria in a petri dish about to run out of agar.
GregT on Tue, 21st Feb 2017 11:51 pm
“You the people are gay fruitcakes. Until you destroy technology you will not change anything. and you never will.”
Sounds like another nut bar has joined the ranks……
GregT on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 12:03 am
“My spirituality is with nature.”
Right Davy. Spirituality and nationalism are mutually exclusive. You can’t have it both ways. The fact that you’ve been flag waving here for so many years, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you don’t have the slightest fucking idea what spirituality means. Not a clue, red white and blue.
makati1 on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 1:29 am
Bingo, GregT. Bingo!
Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 4:17 am
Yeah right Greg and makati. But you have to admit that it is difficult to be a nationalist if you don’t have a country, like in both your cases.
The Vancouver area is meanwhile majority Asian and makati fled from Philly to the Philippines to avoid the coming civil war in the US, that has gradually stopped being a nation (of white immigrants) between 1965 and now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPR_iNmc-2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61RQ8EG7IuM
Philly-2017 is the charming way the real rulers of the US said “thank you” to the “Greatest Generation” for bringing them Europe, so that said generation can now be phased out from history.
In the past Greg has called himself a “proud Canadian” once or twice; he even understands who behind the scenes runs the US and even openly said so, so apparently he was edgy latent alt-right.
But since a month or so he has gone full West-coast retard and even overtook our resident Swede-with-US-passport boat in lack of male resolve and began to glorify “noble savages” Margaret Meed-style, to the tune that he deceptively turned efficient killer and hardcore nationalist Chief Seattle into an environmentalist avant la lettre by putting words in his mouth, the good Chief never had said, but in reality were written by some libtard from New England (Ted Perry) in the seventies.
Diagnosis: total surrender.
Poor Greg (and Ghung), this is not their universe. Greg apparently has built himself a refuge in the wilderness to protect himself against “collapse” (read:diversity) and Ghung in his own words has “dug himself in” in the Appalachians, most likely not to defend himself against neighbors who are like him from English descent, but again against “diversity”. Greg will admit as much.
But nevertheless they both exasperatingly continue to advocate that we should strengthen the cause for their “inner immigration” by completely eradicating borders and “embrace our fellow human beings”, regardless of their origin.
If you want to observe the cause of the impending complete implosion of Anglosphere, look not further, it’s right under your nose. Total surrender. Total flower power. Anything but fighting. The total feminization of the West-coast male after decades of prosperity.
A nation too long at peace becomes a sort of gigantic old maid.
H.L. Mencken
Davy on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 4:36 am
Greg, you wave your self-righteous Canadian flag of anti-Americanism how is that not flag waiving? You money laundered a house in Vancouver and talk about social justice? WTF. What I find disgusting about you Canadians is you are oblivious to this hate. You yourself obsesses over attacking Americans. You Canadians have been indoctrinated by it since birth and your identity is based upon it. Canada is nothing without the US. You are just a bunch of privileged whiners that have grown rich off a relationship with your larger neighbor to the south and hate that neighbor because of it. All the bad things that neighbor does you participate in. Greg, you are a poster child of hypocrisy.
Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 4:50 am
Muzzie says: “You the people are gay fruitcakes. Until you destroy technology you will not change anything. and you never will.”
Muzzie absolutely has a point regarding the feminization of the Western Christian male.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSv4vBcFyvo
Having said that, Muzzie needs to be warned that regardless how feminized, a IQ100 Euro-wimp with a machine-gun will always beat hundreds of IQ85 camel jockeys who made it into Europe and America with the approval of the Soros run deep state.
As a reminder: Muslim Albanians were completely cleansed from Kosovo within 48 hours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5Dc9P-W_Yo
Fortunately for the Muslims they got help from the US deep state, that wants to destroy white Europe:
http://wesclarkwarcriminal.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/agreement.jpg
Wesley Clark with KLA commanders. Clark said at the occasion that the days of a “white Europe were over”. Clark apparently thinks he can send his stinking Canadians again to “liberate us”.
But the days of the Clark bunch are over. The Muzzies of this world are going to function as a catalyst to destroy the post-1945 order aka the West, to destroy Steve Bannon-style the Western leftist establishment and to set up something new, something post-Christian, something post-modern, something “neo-Roman”…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yOZEiHLuVU
And oh Muzzie, that order is not going to be your Allah brain fart sharia order.
makati1 on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 5:10 am
Cloggie, we have a country. The one we live in. No flags required. You want to believe you and Davy are the only ones who are correct about were to live. Such belief is only proof of the constant brainwashing being successful, not reality.
The growing chaos in the EU and U$ is prof we made the right choice. Governments are failing in both places. Immigration is destroying both places. Debt is strangling any growth.
Yep, we are ‘fools without a country’. And, as for me, I like it that way. The show is much better when observed from another, really free, country. NOT the U$ or EU.
“The Illusion of Freedom: The Police State Is Alive and Well” (US)
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/the_illusion_of_freedom_the_police_state_is_alive_and_well
Yep, I really miss The Gestapo…
Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 5:26 am
Cloggie, we have a country. The one we live in.
That’s what you as an American like to think, those people with hands down the weakest sense of ethnic identity on the planet. But if the US descends into chaos your position in the Ps is going to change as well and not for the better.
The growing chaos in the EU and U$ is prof we made the right choice. Governments are failing in both places. Immigration is destroying both places.
Immigration is causing the old order to be overthrown and indeed makes civil war inevitable.
Yep, we are ‘fools without a country’. And, as for me, I like it that way.
OK, so you admit in the next sentence that you don’t have a country after all, ignoring that you are living in the last days of the US empire that still protects you. Until it stops and the Ps will seize to be a US colony. And just like you didn’t want to be a Dutchman in Indonesia of 1950, you don’t want to be an American in post-colonial Ps:
http://tinyurl.com/j8b9wx8
You are not looking further ahead as your nose is long.
Yep, I really miss The Gestapo…
You probably mean the NKVD. Americans keep confusing nationalists and communists. Your government until November was globalist, not nationalist.
Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 5:36 am
For the Canadian diversity dreamers Greg and Friday:
http://i.imgur.com/02T4V.jpg
Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 5:39 am
Chief Seattle took back his country, with a vengeance!
Davy on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 5:43 am
Makati you have run away from the US for emotional reasons and now you spend your last days enveloped in that personality disorder projecting your hate and anger because of it. Is it because you are gay? Nothing wrong with being gay. You have your boyfriend who I suspect has the condo and the farm you brag about. We know you can’t afford that on a Social Security stipend. You waive the flag of hate and brag about yourself like you are somehow special. All you did was desert your family for some delusional self-preservation which really was little more than you running away from your world in the US because of shame. There is nothing wrong with being gay. Get over it.
makati1 on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 6:42 am
Davy, now you are a psychiatrist? LMAO. You rant and rage at the ones who see real life. Who moved out of the U$ Police State for freedom and peace. Emotional reasons? Well if you mean liking the Philippines better than the U$, you are correct. You are the one who needs help.
My move seems to be justified by the chaos that is engulfing America today. I live in a country still growing at 6% per year, not declining and using lies to prop up a failing economy. A country where family and friends are still important.
My family does not need me. They are all independent adults that do not want, or need, my help. They all agree that my choice was a good one. I am living an exciting life in a new part of the world and enjoying every minute of it. I paid my dues. Now it is my time to live in a new culture and place of MY choice.
Gay? LOL You maybe, not me. I have some gay friends. Everyone does. I also have some black friends. Does that make me black? I have Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, and Mormon friends. Does that make me religious? I have an ‘arrangement’ with my friends here that you cannot imagine in the U$ where everything is dollars, sex and power. BTW: Sex is not important to me. You may find that out, if you live long enough. Friendship is more important. Male and female. And the arrangement I have with the large family here is none of your business.
So, tell your bullshit to someone who cares. I don’t. And, I AM special. I am me and not you and I am very thankful for that blessing. LMAO
Apneaman on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 8:10 am
clogliar, again with the un-cited statements.
“The Vancouver area is meanwhile majority Asian”
Show a link to your stats or shut the fuck up.
Apneaman on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 8:26 am
clogturd, look how awesome life is in Vancouver.
Lunar New Year: Metro Vancouver couples reach across cultural lines
““We never think about it — but now, looking at the whole thing, we are pretty multicultural,” Jennifer laughed.”
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/chinese-new-year-metro-vancouver-couples-reach-across-cultural-lines
Don’t you find those multi cultural couples heart warming?
Too bad the humans will not be around in 100 years otherwise Vancouver would be the beigeist city in the whole multi cultural world.
Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 8:29 am
Do I hear a Llama shitting?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver#Demographics
Total visible minority population 305,615 51.8%
This includes 1% black, 0.5% Arab and 1.6% Latino, rest Asian.
And then there is:
Total Aboriginal population 11,945 2%
“Aboriginal” (Indian/Eskimo)=Asian
Or 50.7% Asian.
So I was right.
European Canadian 272,645 46.2%
On top of that, airhead Trudeau wants to import 300k Asians per year.
Don’t understand why Friday is so angry. Nothing better than that the Euro-Canadians disappear as soon as possible. That’s what they want themselves.
http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2017/02/trudeaus-cultural-crackdown-on-anglo-canada.html
http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2017/02/interview-with-canadians-for-donald-trump.html
Beer and popcorn. The Greeks have Golden Dawn, Canadians now have Northern Dawn:
http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2017/02/interview-with-northern-dawn.html
This is going to be fun!
Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 8:37 am
Lunar New Year: Metro Vancouver couples reach across cultural lines
Oh my, commie press celebrating diversity, what else is new.
She is too pretty for him. Passport marriage?
http://tinyurl.com/zp7gpp3
Inter-racial marriages are often reported as less stable and less happy than intra-racial marriages… Findings suggest that even after controlling religion and many other demographic variables, inter-racially married individuals report lower happiness than those in intraracial unions, especially women.
Davy on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 8:52 am
Makati, I know when I hit the mark because you have to have an elaborate BS rebuttal. LOL. Since I was last on the board yesterday you took jabs at me several times so like your asshole buddy from west coast of Kanada reference my finger DICK breath.
Apneaman on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 8:56 am
Well for the little hongcouver housing game you like to play those stats won’t do because there are vancouver proper. The metro area has around 2.1 million people. The Chinese house buying is all over the metro area. If a Canadian vacations to Holland and you ask him where he is from he does not say, Burnaby or Coquitlam or Surrey or Richmond or Port Moody, he says he’s from Vancouver meaning the metro area which the locals call The Lower Mainland. You’ll need to show stats for metro Vancouver since the majority of the population does not live in Vancouver proper. Official stats, not wikipedia.
We love our Chinese and other immigrant brothers and sisters here in Hongcouver. Inter racial marriages especially. New blood is good for the gene pool. That’s why whites are losing so badly now and, if not for the mass extinction that will wipe out all the humans, whites would go extinct due to inbreeding and lack of new and beneficial genes. Just like sickly and short lived pure bred dogs. Pure bred meaning inbred. It’s evolution in action old man. All your bunk century old pseudoscience racial theories fly in the face of evolutionary biologly.
Mixed-race relationships are making us taller and smarter: Children born to genetically diverse parents are more intelligent than their ancestors
Researchers analysed genetic information from more than 100 studies
These included details of 350,000 people from urban and rural communities
The team found that greater genetic diversity is linked to increased height
It is also associated with better cognitive skills and higher education levels
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3146070/Mixed-race-relationships-making-taller-smarter-Children-born-genetically-diverse-parents-intelligent-ancestors.html
Old man why do you think those of us with Euro genes also carry Neanderthal and Denisovan genes? Was it because the ancestors found Neanderthal chicks hot? No, they just intuitively knew that new genes would be beneficial and provide enhanced survival. It’s evolutionary bitch.
Davy on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 9:11 am
LOL Ape, “Mixed-race relationships are making us taller and smarter: Children born to genetically diverse parents are more intelligent than their ancestors.” With goats it’s called hybrid vigor and it is the basis of the meat goat industry. Yet, it is still important to have goats that are from pure bred lines or you lose control of the genetic traits you want to breed. Not sure if that works for humans…..
Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 9:44 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Vancouver
Data from 2006:
The 2006 census showed that 58.3% of the population was of European or indigenous heritage, while 41.7% of the population were of visible minority origin, the largest group being the Chinese followed by South Asians. Other prominent groups include Filipinos, Koreans, Japanese, Southeast Asian, West Asian, and Latin Americans. British Columbia is Canada’s most ethnically diverse province
That’s more than a decade ago. You can bet your last Hongcouver dollar that the Asians have replaced the Anglos there even more than in the inner city.
Apneaman on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 9:50 am
Davy, I guess the humans have been doing it for thousands of years with plants too – grafting.
If she was even remotely cute, I’d do a Neanderthal chick. I ain’t ashamed to admit it.
“Baby your extended brow ridge is sooooo fine – hot damn girl I just gots to have ya”
GregT on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 9:53 am
Wow,
Whoever wrote that wikipedia article was completely out of touch with reality, even back in 2006.
Apneaman on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 9:53 am
Clog, unlike you, I don’t bet/assume data results. You either have the numbers or you don’t. You don’t.
goat1001 on Wed, 22nd Feb 2017 1:44 pm
We are in a self-driving car heading toward a cliff with the blue screen of death showing on the dashboard.
Theedrich on Thu, 23rd Feb 2017 12:58 am
The Burnaby-Hongcouver creature keeps touting the benefits of White genosuicide. His own family is becoming afflicted with Asiatic jaundice as we write. Meanwhile Canadian politicians (especially those financially benefitting from stringpuller Bronson, the Kike firewater-maker) are gaining nothing but temporary cash from the Chinks. As China veers toward collapse, even more Mongoloid mafia dons will buy their way into B.C., to the delight of the man-ape and his fellow travelers.
But the slowly declining returns of the entire “sustainable growth” system are not going to stop their decline. Though the Demonic Party in the U.S. refuses to acknowledge it, that ongoing decline is the real reason for the defeat of the Demonics by Trump and the Repubs. The massive global overload of microcephalic and violent ThirdPlanetary parasites, the increasing global corruption and disguised crime, hidden planeticide, and the White man’s decision to commit hara-kiri rather than survive, are now all but unstoppable.
There is only one solution left. And the Christian religionists, various Utopians, the current power elites with their media pulpits, and the deluded herd cannot tolerate that solution. Extinction of the only planet in our part of the Milky Way to produce conscious intelligence is their preference.
Apneaman on Thu, 23rd Feb 2017 1:07 am
Douch, it’s your country that is in shambles, not mine. This is why you are so bitter, You’re just another nobody white merican loser looking to blame your shit hole country and your personal life’s failurs on others. You’re a fucking loser of monumental proportions. Enjoy the rest of your miserable and pathtic life faggot.
Apneaman on Thu, 23rd Feb 2017 1:12 am
Study sees U.S. life expectancy falling further behind other countries
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-life-expectancy-expected-to-fall-further-behind-other-countries/