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Steve Bannon Believes The Apocalypse Is Coming And War Is Inevitable
In 2009, the historian David Kaiser, then a professor at the Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, got a call from a guy named Steve Bannon.
Bannon wanted to interview Kaiser for a documentary he was making based on the work of the generational theorists William Strauss and Neil Howe. Kaiser, an expert on Strauss and Howe, didn’t know Bannon from Adam, but he agreed to participate. He went to the Washington headquarters of the conservative activist group Citizens United, where Bannon was then based, for a chat.
Kaiser was impressed by how much Bannon knew about Strauss and Howe, who argued that American history operates in four-stage cycles that move from major crisis to awakening to major crisis. These crises are called “Fourth Turnings” — and Bannon believed the U.S. had entered one on Sept. 18, 2008, when Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke went to Capitol Hill to ask for a bailout of the international banking system.
“He knew the theory,” Kaiser said. “He obviously enjoyed interviewing me.”
Bannon pressed Kaiser on one point during the interview. “He was talking about the wars of the Fourth Turnings,” Kaiser recalled. “You have the American Revolution, you have the Civil War, you have World War II; they’re getting bigger and bigger. Clearly, he was anticipating that in this Fourth Turning there would be one at least as big. And he really made an effort, I remember, to get me to say that on the air.”
Kaiser didn’t believe global war was preordained, so he demurred. The line of questioning didn’t make it into the documentary — a polemical piece, released in 2010, called “Generation Zero.”
Bannon, who’s now ensconced in the West Wing as President Donald Trump’s closest adviser, has been portrayed as Trump’s main ideas guy. But in interviews, speeches and writing — and especially in his embrace of Strauss and Howe — he has made clear that he is, first and foremost, an apocalypticist.
In Bannon’s view, we are in the midst of an existential war, and everything is a part of that conflict. Treaties must be torn up, enemies named, culture changed. Global conflagration, should it occur, would only prove the theory correct. For Bannon, the Fourth Turning has arrived. The Grey Champion, a messianic strongman figure, may have already emerged. The apocalypse is now.
“What we are witnessing,” Bannon told The Washington Post last month, “is the birth of a new political order.”
Strauss died in 2007, and Howe did not respond to requests for comment. But their books speak for themselves. The first, Generations, released in 1991, set forth the idea that history unfolds in repetitive, predictable four-part cycles ― and that the U.S. was, and still is, going through the most recent cycle’s tail end. (In Generations, Strauss and Howe became perhaps the first writers to use the term “millennials” to describe the current cohort of young people.)
Strauss and Howe’s theory is based on a series of generational archetypes — the Artists, the Prophets, the Nomads and the Heroes — that sound like they were pulled from a dystopian young adult fiction series. Each complete four-part cycle, or saeculum, takes about 80 to 100 years, in Strauss and Howe’s reckoning. The Fourth Turning, which the authors published in 1997, focuses on the final, apocalyptic part of the cycle.
Strauss and Howe postulate that during this Fourth Turning crisis, an unexpected leader will emerge from an older generation to lead the nation, and what they call the “Hero” generation (in this case, millennials), to a new order. This person is known as the Grey Champion. An election or another event — perhaps a war — will bring this person to power, and their regime will rule throughout the crisis.
“The winners will now have the power to pursue the more potent, less incrementalist agenda about which they had long dreamed and against which their adversaries had darkly warned,” Strauss and Howe wrote in The Fourth Turning. “This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Where leaders had once been inclined to alleviate societal pressures, they will now aggravate them to command the nation’s attention.”
Cyclical models of history are something academics kick around every now and then, said Sean Wilentz, an American history professor at Princeton University. But the idea has not caught on among historians or political actors.
“It’s just a conceit. It’s a fiction, it’s all made up,” Wilentz said about cyclical historical models. “There’s nothing to them. They’re just inventions.”
Michael Lind, a historian and co-founder of the New America Foundation, a liberal think tank, has called Strauss and Howe’s work “pseudoscience” and said their “predictions about the American future turn out to be as vague as those of fortune cookies.”
But Bannon bought it.
“This is the fourth great crisis in American history,” Bannon told an audience at the Liberty Restoration Foundation, a conservative nonprofit, in 2011. “We had the Revolution. We had the Civil War. We had the Great Depression and World War II. This is the great Fourth Turning in American history, and we’re going to be one thing on the other side.”
Major crises “happen in about 80- or 100-year cycles,” Bannon told a conference put on by the Republican women’s group Project GoPink that same year. “And somewhere over the next 10 or 20 years, we’re going to come through this crisis, and we’re either going to be the country that was bequeathed to us or it’s going to be something that’s completely or totally different.”
The “Judeo-Christian West is collapsing,” he went on. “It’s imploding. And it’s imploding on our watch. And the blowback of that is going to be tremendous.”
War is coming, Bannon has warned. In fact, it’s already here.
It’s war. It’s war. Every day, we put up: America’s at war, America’s at war. We’re at war. White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon, 2015
“You have an expansionist Islam and you have an expansionist China,” he said during a 2016 radio appearance. “They are motivated. They’re arrogant. They’re on the march. And they think the Judeo-Christian West is on the retreat.”
“Against radical Islam, we’re in a 100-year war,” he told Political Vindication Radio in 2011.
“We’re going to war in the South China Seas in the next five to 10 years, aren’t we?” Bannon asked during a 2016 interview with Reagan biographer Lee Edwards.
“We are in an outright war against jihadist Islamic fascism,” he said in a speech to a Vatican conference in 2014. “And this war is, I think, metastasizing far quicker than governments can handle it.”
In a 2015 radio appearance, Bannon described how he ran Breitbart, the far-right news site he chaired at the time. “It’s war,” he said. “It’s war. Every day, we put up: America’s at war, America’s at war. We’re at war.”
To confront this threat, Bannon argued, the Judeo-Christian West must fight back, lest it lose as it did when Constantinople fell to the Ottomans in 1453. He called Islam a “religion of submission” in 2016 — a refutation of President George W. Bush’s post-9/11 description of Islam as a religion of peace. In 2007, Bannon wrote a draft movie treatment for a documentary depicting a “fifth column” of Muslim community groups, the media, Jewish organizations and government agencies working to overthrow the government and impose Islamic law.
“There’s clearly a fifth column here in the United States,” Bannon warned in July 2016. “There’s rot at the center of the Judeo-Christian West,” he said in November 2015. “Secularism has sapped the strength of the Judeo-Christian West to defend its ideals,” he argued at the Vatican conference. The “aristocratic Washington class” and the media, he has claimed, are in league with the entire religion of Islam and an expansionist China to undermine Judeo-Christian America.
This sort of existential conflict is central to Strauss and Howe’s predictions. There are four ways a Fourth Turning can end, they argued, and three of them involve some kind of massive collapse. America might “be reborn,” and we’d wait another 80 to 100 years for a new cycle to culminate in a crisis again. The modern world — the era of Western history that Strauss and Howe believe began in the 15th century — might come to an end. We might “spare modernity but mark the end of our nation.” Or we might face “the end of man,” in a global war leading to “omnicidal Armageddon.”
Now, a believer in these vague and unfounded predictions sits in the White House, at the right hand of the president.
“We’re gonna have to have some dark days before we get to the blue sky of morning again in America,” Bannon warned in 2010. “We are going to have to take some massive pain. Anybody who thinks we don’t have to take pain is, I believe, fooling you.”
“This movement,” he said in November, “is in the top of the first inning.”
100 Comments on "Steve Bannon Believes The Apocalypse Is Coming And War Is Inevitable"
onlooker on Sun, 12th Feb 2017 5:30 pm
historical cycles, Islam against Christianity, Apocalypse haha, where do they find these stooges. How about we are yeast who pooped our own petri dish and used up finite resources in becoming too overpopulated. Boring uh.
Boat on Sun, 12th Feb 2017 5:35 pm
So the media is now in league with Islam. Holy cow, what happened to the deep state. Did Soros die? Koch brothers give up their billions? Will the black swans fly in a new formation or maybe the red queen will switch to a new brand of sneaker. Even the clog has us in a civil war. Lol
Cloggie on Sun, 12th Feb 2017 5:41 pm
George Soros talks:
http://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-essay-on-trump-defending-an-open-society-2017-1?international=true&r=US&IR=T
makati1 on Sun, 12th Feb 2017 6:17 pm
Making fun of the Forth Turning is to ignore current events. History rhymes, it does not repeat, however. Apocalypse will NOT be as in the fairy tale bible. It is happening all around us now. A real world war is very likely in the near future and as before, it will be worse than the last one as we now have the ability to destroy all life on the planet.
To deny it is to put blinders on when you should be using binoculars to try to see the future and prepare for it. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going: “LALALALA … I can’t hear you!” is to commit suicide or to just endure a lot of unnecessary pain, if you are lucky.
I would prefer to be wrong, but I doubt I will have that luxury. And this time oceans will not protect America. They are only minutes to an ICBM.
So, keep being distracted by the fluff and bullshit that passes for news today and dream of those techie toys you want to have. Not one of you has put the time and research and thought into the possibilities as has Strauss and Howe. When you have come back with a real argument, if you have one.
As for Bannon and his ideas? Well, he has the ear of the President and is not stupid. Whether he is instrumental in causing the events to happen as he predicts or whether his suspicions will prove out. only time can tell. This regime is only slightly less likely to take us to war than the one who lost. As the Boy Scout Motto says: “Be Prepared!”
Plantagenet on Sun, 12th Feb 2017 6:55 pm
Millenials are supposed to be the next “hero generation?”
hahahah!
CHEERS!
Apneaman on Sun, 12th Feb 2017 7:07 pm
I think they should add a new cycle specifically for merica.
THE RETARD CYCLE
They’ll need an * to include eurotards like clog.
Retard cycle is perfect for a bunch of fucking rationalizing morons who know nothing but circular reasoning.
Bla bla bla bla drool drool bla bla bla and that’s why climate change isn’t real.
Bla bla bla bla drool drool bla bla bla and that’s why Cheeto will make merica great again…drool drool
Apneaman on Sun, 12th Feb 2017 7:14 pm
Planty, what generation raised and taught millennials? On whose watch did so many of them become helpless and fragile? Or did they raise themselves? With the internet because their parents all but abandoned them to the corporate state?
Lucifer on Sun, 12th Feb 2017 7:19 pm
Yes the Apocalypse is coming, and War is already here lurking in the shadows, but right now everybody has a few more years to party hard like there is no tomorrow. So my hot tip is just to enjoy what time you have left.
Apneaman on Sun, 12th Feb 2017 8:03 pm
WATCH VICIOUS CANADIAN COPS ROUGH UP ILLEGALS.
Is Trump’s refugee crackdown threat pushing asylum seekers into Canada?
The Star watched as three groups of people walked across the border into Quebec. Despite RCMP officers warning they would be arrested all very willingly allowed themselves to be taken away.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/02/10/is-trumps-refugee-crackdown-threat-pushing-asylum-seekers-into-canada.html
makati1 on Sun, 12th Feb 2017 8:52 pm
The Boomer generation was greedy and making money was more important than raising a decent family. Both mother AND father were absent as responsible parents, relying on the brainwashing school system and the internet to do the raising. Now we get the Snowflake Generation to deal with and what will THEIR kids be like. That assumes that there will be another generation to be concerned about. I doubt it.
penury on Sun, 12th Feb 2017 9:54 pm
here are always people like Bannon,If reality frightens them they resort to thoughts of magical occurrences. It does not seem to matter how they arrive at their vision chicken guts, tarot cards or arcane writings. I think that this is the third coming of the apocalypse since the U.S. started “Operation Desert Storm”
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 3:02 am
Yesterday in Halle, East-Germany:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myw8RAaFJ3E
Archaic Islamic preacher saying in fluent German “Allah Hakbar”, “Islam is the Religion of peace” and “in a couple of years we have taken you over and we will have a majority in German parliament”.
The man is merely stating the obvious if we let these civilization destroying fake “refugees” in our country. This preacher is openly saying what all Muslims are quietly saying at home: we only have to wait and let demography do its work.
Why are these people streaming in our countries unhindered? Because unfortunately we in Western Europe were colonized by the US in 1945 and integrated in that George Soros empire, the ones who really organized WW2 and imposed multiculturalism on us and the “Open Society” baloney.
Now, for the first time in 57 years (JFK) we have a president who managed to hijack the country by breaking into the political system, because he brought his own money. The last time that someone tried to fool the kosher run deep state was Hitler admirer JFK, who as an extension of mastermind and father Joseph Kennedy tried to attack deep state interests, mainly by trying to abolish the Fed and preventing that Israel would acquire nukes. JFK played with fire and was killed because of it. In the US a majority of the population still believes that there is more to the story than lone wolf Oswald.
Back to today. Trump is the bulldozer, the tribune for the media appearances. Bannon is the brain, the new Karl Rove.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon
Bannon has an Irish background and comes from a pro-Kennedy family and still has an Irish accent. Like Kennedy with his “ruthless conspiracy” speech, Bannon correctly believes there is a “fifth column” operating in the US and the West who try to bring down western civilization.
It is interesting that the Dutch JFK, Pim Fortuyn, had said exactly the same thing in 2001:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvm6dYEZslw
Here an exalted Pim Fortuyn working himself in a rage. Until that moment he headed a party called “Leefbaar Nederland” (“Liveable Netherlands”), that wanted to do something against mass immigration, but did not had the nerve to move outside the boundaries of political correctness and attack immigration from the third world.
On that night, Pim Fortuyn decided to break with political correctness and “Liveable Netherlands” to begin to openly attack Islam as a religion/ideology. At [0:26] Fortuyn says that “we have a fifth column here in Holland that want’s to destroy the country”. At [1:22] he says, “I don’t care if I am going to be killed”. One year later, 14 days before the general election, with Fortuyn massively leading in the polls, he would indeed be assassinated. The gunman was a green libtard fanatic (who is at large again), but like with the JFK case, there are a lot of indications that this was a system hit, carried out by a secret service like CIA, Mossad and/or (Dutch) AIVD. Holland could have been the first Western European domino to fall in 2002. Fortuyn was not very pro-American establishment/MIC, to put it mildly. His political example was Berlusconi and Fortuyn was burried in Italy.
You only have to study the leftist hysteria in the US to know that like JFK and Fortuyn, Trump could be assassinated by some neo-Bolshevik-libtard Friday type.
It is true that the West is in a massive crisis and that there is going to be a watershed event, accompanied with massive violence, of which Trump is merely the catalyst, not the initiator. Trump represents the last belch of the old European defined America, who against all odds, managed to fool the kosher run deep state (hi George), that until 2016 had selected and delivered certified candidates only. For Bannon the enemy is the “establishment” and media (read: kosher run deep state). The only reason why the Trump revolution succeeded was Trump’s money and most of all the internet, bypassing the MSM. Bannon is right, we have an expansionist Islam (1.5 billion) and an expansionist China (1.35 billion) that will soon eclipse the US. We need a completely new political system and ideology that needs to replace liberal modernity. We need to get rid of the Soros types. We need to get rid of the “corporate” media. We need to get rid of cultural Marxism.
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 3:29 am
WATCH VICIOUS CANADIAN COPS ROUGH UP ILLEGALS.
Friday, who before the election opined that “Republicans needed to be killed”, feels a little cornered by the political change in the US and now wants to show how “tough” Canadians are.
[snicker]
First of all, the folks that stopped these illegals were French, not Anglo-Canadians or Canadians for short. The Quebecois have little allegiance with libtard Anglo airheads like Trudeau, despite the latter’s French name. The only political leader the Quebecois ever cheered for was the arch-conservative French president de Gaulle, who tried to tear off Quebec from Canada:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1EYNoHY1A
(Note the French flag on a North-American official balcony)
The Quebecois have a name of being “socialist”, so according to North-American standards they are leftist. But when it comes to continental European (blood & soil) left/right standards, catholic Quebec is far more right-wing than liberal protestant Anglophone Canada:
http://induecourse.ca/is-quebec-more-left-wing-than-the-rest-of-canada/
The part of Canada that I grew up in – Saskatchewan – was far more left-wing than Quebec has ever been.
http://tinyurl.com/j4fm75f
Expect Trudeau-Canada to import in 2017 a new batch of Chinese to the tune of 1% of the population, gradually building a Chinese bridge-head in North-America that in case of a “Fourth-Turning” (a military showdown between the American Heartland Right versus the communist NE-US), could lead to Chinese government controlled colonization of parts of NW-North-America (Vancouver area) and the establishment of a Chinese naval base.
joe on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 3:54 am
its pretty obvious that America will lose Europe to Islam or its political influence in the 20 years. That’s unfortunate because France and likely Germany has nukes. Um Merkel the Holy Mother of Islamic Europe should have done more in her political life to oppose destabilising Syria and Libya and her mistake is that she allowed satan to whisper to her that she must save these people by creating a more unstable Europe. So the EU will die, leaving in its wake a system of half-integrated paranoid neo-Balkans. Perfect for the leftist media to show more pictures of Alan Kurdis but never suffering Christians. Oh well.
Hello on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 4:52 am
Demographics almost always win. And if the change is slow enough. It won’t be opposed. Stop 3rd world shit hole immigration into europe for a few year to calm the populace. Then, after 20 years, pick it up again. There’s no stopping it.
The sad condolecense is for the west to get what it deserves for utter stupidity.
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 5:03 am
its pretty obvious that America will lose Europe to Islam or its political influence in the 20 years.
Really joe? Why don’t you worry about London instead, the only “European” capital with a non-white, mostly Muslim, majority.
http://www.informationliberation.com/files/london_fallen_khan.png
John Cleese on British culture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J80AGEvRQOg
John Cleese: “not sure what is happening to Britain and London”
Cloggie: “you are losing your country, that’s what’s happening, you liberal fool”
…or worry that you can keep Scotland from defecting from the UK to the EU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8HoKUaVXkQ
(Scottish MPs singing Euro-hymn in London parliament out of protest against Brexit; Scots are Europeans, English not so much)
After Brexit, a lot of white Europeans will leave the UK building and you are all alone with your Muslims and your Muslim mayor. Where is Hitler when you need him, right joe?
America is btw demographically further down the road than Europe [*] and will subsequently likely “fold” before Europe does. Europe from Atlantic to Ural is still whiter than America ever has been (90+ %) and from Elbe river to Ural is zero political correct (because never part of US empire, apart from 1991-2000). Eastern Europe is the most important asset Europe has for survival: non-pc, 100% white and armed with nukes.
[*] America majority non-white below 5 years old. Overall roughly 2/3 white, 1/3 non-white, but interestingly not 100% equally dispersed. The Heartland is much whiter than the Mexican majority West Coast and dark East coast.
EU has 500 million citizens and merely 19 million Muslims or 3.8% (2010) and even fewer Africans. Meanwhile that figure must have increased with perhaps 5 million or so, resulting in massive populist reactions. The worst in continental Europe is France with in the 0-5 age bracket 2 white, 1 non-white. That’s bad, but nowhere nearly as bad as in the US. Furthermore, because Europe, unlike America, is historically not a set of nations of immigrants, we have far more right-wing identitarian potential underneath (“fascism”) than North-America. British colonial resource Anglo-Canada is completely hopeless, but in the US a still very fragile form of nationalist potential does exist of people who call themselves “European” but want to remain loyal to North-America, comparable to the Dutch Boers in South-Africa, who want to remain loyal to South-Africa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq-LnO2DOGE
…and with sufficient support from the 700 million of the future Paris-Berlin-Moscow confederation…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gvbS09gN80
(Putin in 2014 after Euro-Maidan at 16:39 says: Francois Mitterrand spoke of a European confederation with Russia as a member. I think this opportunity still exists. We will have it in the future.)
…can be hoisted in the saddle after a wave of secession’s from Washington and a 1776-style European intervention in North-America, after chaos has set in.
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 5:28 am
Demographics almost always win. And if the change is slow enough. It won’t be opposed. Stop 3rd world shit hole immigration into europe for a few year to calm the populace. Then, after 20 years, pick it up again. There’s no stopping it.
The sad condolecense is for the west to get what it deserves for utter stupidity.
There is only one fundamental reason for why this is happening in the first place and that is that self-defeating coward Christian cancer we have in our bones. The only fundamental remedy against our demise is to start a war against our Christian heritage and begin to reorient our-self towards the Roman part of our heritage.
Dredd on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 6:10 am
These kinds of trances bring dark ages, because they become self-fulfilling prophecies.
Civilization’s addiction to oil is the result of that Apocalypse trance:
“From the moment he arrived at the Admiralty, a young man of destiny, Churchill started to prepare the fleet for the Battle of Armageddon he believed was inevitable.
…
Then, in 1911, the German Kaiser provoked the Agadir crisis … Churchill went to the Admiralty and his outlook transformed. He was immediately confronted with the decisive question: to convert the navy from coal to oil … the “fateful plunge” was made … in April 1912 … five oil-burning battleships were approved.
…
Britain was well supplied with coal [but not oil]. It was the Royal Navy which was the impetus for the development of the oil industry in Britain. The problem was supply and the security of that supply. Initially, the British government purchased shares in the Anglo-Persian Oil Company, subsequently, British Petroleum [BP].
…
Then, to prevent further disruptions, Britain enmeshed itself ever more deeply in the Middle East, working to install new shahs in Iran and carve Iraq out of the collapsing Ottoman Empire.
Churchill fired the starting gun, but all of the Western powers joined the race to control Middle Eastern oil.”
(The Universal Smedley – 2).
One counter measure is obvious (Choose Your Trances Carefully).
Davy on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 6:41 am
The problem with the apocalypse and fourth turning talk it is status quo talk. This talk is civilization centric talk from our recent human history. We are returning to pre-civilization in orientation by forces of nature. Civilization narratives fails to include the underlying reality of multidimensional decline. Civilization decline or evolution is not it. This is complete planetary change. Civilization is in systematic decline within all human subsystems but it is the changes to the planet that make this beyond human metrics. There is no escaping this and no turning for the civilization into a new civilization with its current realities. This is about a paradigm shift of the human with the natural not just a human story. Climate and ecosystem decline will mingle with economic and social failure.
We want to put a human touch on this with our human religious undertones. Modern man likes to use his economics, ideological and religious orientations to it. We want to look back to our earlier civilization history and project into the 21st century. This is especially true of our unnatural 20th century experience of abundant fossil fuel power. This is a false projection because there is a great paradigm shift in progress natural and human. Human civilization will not turn it will likely devolve into a post human arrangement. We can call this the interlude that is a turning because man will follow his beliefs and attempt to turn in his own image but nature will sweep this away into a great shift. It is likely this human turning will be relatively swift once a collapse initiates. We are likely in the prelude now on a bumpy plateau of limits and diminishing returns.
The natural shift of decline will be epochal. We have rearranged life, geology, and the climate. The human part of this will be so swift as to be insignificant. It may only be a few decades to a century of change but life itself has been altered. Since this change is destructive with decay there is little hope of a techno turning of man leaving earth. A refuge for modern man here on earth is also unlikely. There will be no byzantine alternative energy world of solar power and permaculture complete with walls protecting it from the savages. This will be the dawning of a new man or the end of our species. We may leave earth but that journey will be the good old fashion way through extinction.
The status quo has its apocalyptic and epic narratives but these will be little compared to the natural shift of a planetary system in decline. I would greatly discount any talk here of the coming turning of civilization. These predictions are based upon human civilization evolution. Human civilization will devolve back to our hunter gatherer social arrangements most likely. In the process we will likely go from industrialized agriculture back to pastoral agriculture in surviving locals. This will likely continue to devolve in tandem with localized agriculture and seminomadic hunter gathers in a disrupted planetary system of extreme climate and ecosystem failure. That is the shift. The turning will be a few years of the prelude to the shift.
We humans are so deluded by our exceptionalism we fail to connect with these realities. We are one dimensional playing board games of grand human intentions as the multi-dimensional planetary shift takes place. Bannon is just one more of the human priests to sit atop the pyramid of civilization looking down on his workers just like was the case in the Mayan times. This human power he represents will crumble not by human hands but by the denial of nature’s acquiescence. Play your human games of intrigue but remember they are but a small facet of the reality in play today.
We are a global civilization on the threshold of change. Sustainability and resilience have been pushed to extreme levels leaving minimum operating levels of functionality exposed to failure. How this failure unfolds is beyond linear thinking of our books and ideologies. The closest we can come to it is spirituality combined with science to witness something greater than human. This is beyond human civilization so if you want to relate to it then you must connect to the current. The status quo has its own pseudo current that is an illusion. This means anyone like Bannon is an illusion for the deeper reality at work presently. He is in a sense small players of a greater story playing out at a planetary level.
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 7:06 am
Rearguard fight. The encyclopedia of the NWO, Wikipedia, has banned the rare right-wing British newspaper the DailyMail as a “reliable source”:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website
yoshua on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 7:16 am
Well… The end of the oil age will at least be an interesting event… crazy but interesting.
onlooker on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 7:20 am
Yes thank you Davy for highlighting the deeper ecological inbalance behind this uniquely epic period. I need not remind some here that our level of overpopulation is unprecedented as is our foray into an energy and technologically dependent society. Concomitantly, most people on Earth now have forgotten how to live in a purely naturally self sufficient manner. The other factor is the denuded and deterioated status of our planet. So that is why I am calling BS to this article. Our situation is uniquely perilous. Also by using the word Apocalypse he is pandering to religious conservatives
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 7:29 am
Then, in 1911, the German Kaiser provoked the Agadir crisis …
BS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agadir_Crisis
The Agadir Crisis or Second Moroccan Crisis (also known as the Panthersprung in German) was ban international crisis sparked by the deployment of a substantial force of French troops in the interior of Morocco in April 1911. Germany reacted by sending the gunboat SMS Panther to the Moroccan port of Agadir on 1 July 1911. Negotiations between Berlin and Paris resolved the crisis: France took over Morocco as a protectorate in exchange for territorial concessions to Germany from the French Congo, while Spain was satisfied with a change in its boundary with Morocco.
Apneaman on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 8:40 am
Clog, did you know that one obvious indicator of an individual with cognitive disabilities is their inability to spot sarcasm? It’s often an early sign of dementia in older folks. About time you went in for a checkup eh?
joe on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 8:48 am
Clog can’t face reality. He thinks his techno green future is ISIS resistant. He’s an idiot.
joe on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 8:54 am
Oh and Clog, no I’m not worried. Unlike you and Bannon, I do realise the world is fucked. Either Peak Oil or GW or WW3 will get us at some point, the only question is if we will forced to wear beards or not when we do go. Right now it’s looking like probobly will. As for London, it was fucked years ago so no I don’t care. As a major city, its likely to die quick and early, don’t you realise it’s designed like that you fool. East Aleppo is an empty shell after a few years of war, imagine what can happen after serious armies fight.
onlooker on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 8:58 am
Yep, Clog thinks that an area with a poor resources per capita area, with no large fossil fuel resources, without a superior military force and in the proximity of the super populated Asian land mass is in a nice position to ride it out. Dream on
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 9:16 am
Oh and Clog, no I’m not worried. Unlike you and Bannon, I do realise the world is fucked. Either Peak Oil or GW or WW3 will get us at some point, the only question is if we will forced to wear beards or not when we do go.
Yeah, that’t the convenient attitude: fool yourself into thinking that the world is over (please no questions over details). And why should we even consider being forced wearing a beard if you can grab a gun and shoot the invading basterds? But you have a green-leftist-pacifist beautiful soul, right joeyie boy?
One thing is clear, joe isn’t going to lift a finger to defend himself or his nation, let alone its poor children:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089
Yep, Clog thinks that an area with a poor resources per capita area, with no large fossil fuel resources, without a superior military force and in the proximity of the super populated Asian land mass is in a nice position to ride it out. Dream on
BS. Russia is bigger than the US and China combined and has all the oil and resources we in Europe are ever going to need. Uncle Trump has requested us to increase defense spending since he no longer wants to play empire, so we are going to set up an army of our own, eventually with Russia, directly after the US has openly stepped down as the global hegemon. Russia and France have nukes. Current global defense spending:
US 50%
EU 25%
Russia 13%
China 12%
Perhaps the US and EU can agree on 50/50 burden sharing, so:
US 37%
EU 37%
Russia 13%
China 12%
“without a superior military”???
https://www.rt.com/uk/367841-eu-army-ratification-brexit/
Europe has 500 million European, the East another 200 million. The US only 200 million.
So who do you think is going to dominate who after the US has become a third world country after 2024?
joe on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 9:51 am
Probobly the most politically active cult in Europe (no not Catholicism) will dominate. Sorry clogger, you just don’t sell me. It’s already too late, and stats bombing the three with pointless facts won’t stop the masters of Mecca and their friends in Europe from doing what they want. And the children of Europe won’t care what religion they are, except if it saves their lives in their future as neo-Balkans.
Apneaman on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 10:17 am
The Dutch will stick tulips in the barrels of the invading jihadists AK-47’s.
“Don’t shoot! we’re neutral! we’re neutral!………again again again”
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 10:22 am
Don’t want to sell you anything joe. Just do a Brexit, give us Scotland and next you can lay your head to rest and die.
Absolute nice empire, a pity though that you didn’t want to give the 97% German of Danzig back to the Germans, so Americans and Soviets could sick you and France in yet another devastating, completely unnecessary war:
http://tinyurl.com/zy69687
Can you find Danzig on that map, joey, for which you sacrificed the British empire and Europe?
https://deepresource.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/battle-of-britain.jpg
You may not want war, but likely war wants you. The proclaimed “End of History” just ended.
Wildbourgman on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 10:26 am
The cycle idea makes since to me, it seems simple. Every 80 to 100 years people forget the dumb shit that their great grandfathers did and then they repeat the dumb shit in a similar fashion.
For instance the reason we didn’t have a great depression again until 2008 is that the people who remembered the pain of the 1930’s had either died or retired. It was self regulation or banks, borrowers and investors alike that was the protector of financial prudence not some government agency. If you have never been burned or known someone with those deep scars, the reason for not playing with fire doesn’t exactly resonate with you.
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 10:33 am
The Dutch will stick tulips in the barrels of the invading jihadists AK-47’s.
That what Canadians do, sell their country to the highest bidder.
“Don’t shoot! we’re neutral! we’re neutral!………again again again”
That’s the official lie, in reality the Dutch had giving in to British and French pressure to abandon neutrality and allow overpass through Dutch territory to directly attack the Ruhr-area. The Germans had no choice but to invade. Proof here:
https://s23.postimg.org/ggoclz7yz/french_invasion_netherlands_1940.jpg
Internal secret French letter indicating that free overpass agreement with the Dutch government.
The German foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop was right in his motivation:
https://postimg.org/image/oxqfj4a87/
(front page NYT May 10, 1940)
The Dutch government got what it deserved, but the Dutch army and population had to fight and die by the thousands and had Rotterdam destroyed.
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 10:44 am
Der Spiegel praises Trudeau into high heaven in contrast to Trump:
http://www.spiegel.de/video/trump-vs-trudeau-staatsbesuch-der-gegensaetze-video-1742542.html
Trudeau calls himself a “feminist” and he is sooo in favor of Muslim intruders. They are all welcome. As well as the Chinese, by the 300,000 per year. Germans not so much. It is going to be one giant happy family and we are all going to love each other. Honest.
#GenerationSnowflake
joe on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 11:01 am
No, YOU are not getting it. Do you pay attention? Both sides of house support Brexit. The most radical socialist leader in history enforced a 3 line whip to support a Tory policy. I think its obvious that the EU is doomed. When UM Merkel asks Get Wilders or the 5 Star movement for extra billions to fill the hole Britain will make, then it’s over. They are already talking about a ‘two speed’ Europe. Its over dude. Thousands of miles of wire fence going up in Eastern Europe, next its going on their western borders. All because a bunch of ex commies loved muslim syrians more than Greeks, these idiots have no clue in Brussels. All the wind in the world wont save it.
GregT on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 11:11 am
The above comments are another reason why I got the hell out of dodge. Right vs left, brown vs white. It will never end. Human beings simply cannot get along. And anybody who honestly believes that it will end with racial discrimination, needs to give their head a shake. It won’t. As times get tougher, the violence and bloodshed will only get worse.
GregT on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 11:34 am
I’ve spent a great deal of my time over the years fishing the rivers of British Columbia. I drift fish with bait or lures, and I fly-fish with flies. Hundreds upon hundreds of days out in the pouring rain, with barely ever another group of fishermen in sight. In the last decade or so, the rivers began to get crowded. The fly fisherman were discriminated against by the gear fisherman, and vice versa. The fist fights began, and then the fishermen started stabbing each other with knives. The snobby fly fishermen purists think they’re so great, and they take up too much room on the river. The gear fishermen are not sportsmen like and they don’t give the salmon a fighting chance. It is now affectionately referred to as combat fishing.
The real problem, however, is the same as it ever was. Too many people, and not enough resources.
Apneaman on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 11:57 am
Clog is like Hitler in that he is a wannabe German who is embarrassed of his own country. Same strategy as attaching his wagon to Trump. Jumping on the bandwagon. Plenty of alt right retards do it with Putin too.
Germans don’t impress me much and why would they? A full time militaristic society that got it’s ass whopped by the Canadians who were just a bunch of miners, loggers and farmers who did what they had to do. Slapped together an army and went and kicked some kraut ass. Especially in WWI. The Germans lost every major battle when they faced the Canadiens. I once read a WWI history book by the Great Canadian historian, Pierre Berton that was mostly just excerpts of letters from the front. Many German soldiers talked about how they feared the Canadians and their new tactics (all of the adopted and now standards). One could make the argument that the Canadians successes shortened the great war and sealed the victory. Ya, I know there are not 1000 hollywood movies about this, but anyone can verify for themselves. No wonder the Germans were so pissed off after the war after getting such an ass whooping by farmboys from what was previously just some backwater colony. Scapegoated the jews, yet again.
Clog you ain’t got a leg to stand on when it comes to talking about other countries and especially not when it comes to fighting. No wonder you’re so embarrassed and want to be german. Why is beyond me since they are double losers of the last 2 big fights and their father shot himself in the fucking head like a pathetic coward. And your “United Europe” does not exist. It is yet another figment of your imagination. Not real. Why would you think such a thing is even possible when as far back as European history goes it has been nothing but one war after another for thousands of years with betrayal after betrayal and alliances shifting like the wind? You are a fantasist extraordinaire. A Dutch Walter Mitty. Ahh, what the hell, there could be worse ways to be in one’s final years eh? Not so bad – stupid, with creeping dementia, but happy.
Oh my Retard, Oh my Retard,
Oh my Retard Clog-entine.
You are lost and gone forever,
Dreadful sorry, Clog-entine.
Hello on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 11:58 am
GregT, is that right? They are stabbing each other over a fishing spot? I would have guessed there’s plenty of room in Kanada.
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 11:59 am
The reality you describe Greg is the daily reality for almost every animal on this planet. Life is Darwinian, cruel for most and there is no escape. The most peaceful life is the one in a homogeneous group in a well demarcated territory, like island Japan. Their problem is boredom btw.
Davy on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 12:22 pm
Please, friggen Canadians weren’t shit in WWI or WWII. Check out how many participants were Canadian in either war. Don’t you love how the Canadians always talk themselves up bigger than life. Pathetic, becuase they are always talking down others.
Sissyfuss on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 12:26 pm
Clogectomy, the planet is getting more Darwinian with each day that we add 300k apex predators to a shrinking resource base and an evermore polluted environment. The zeitgeist of today brings forth apex predator leaders like president Caligula and his Muse Biezilbub. That a warrior religion is set to replace a victim faith seems logical today. The question that remains to be answered is that will there be any fittest survivors to make it through the bottleneck or will the reset be total and Earth will 3D print new playmates in a couple of hundred thousand years.
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 12:58 pm
Clog is like Hitler in that he is a wannabe German who is embarrassed of his own country.
Not sure what this sentence means but I am indeed embarrassed what the Dutch (government) did to the Germans in 1940 and that they couldn’t say no against that filthy war monger Churchill and remained neutral, like in WW1.
Germans don’t impress me much and why would they? A full time militaristic society that got it’s ass whopped by the Canadians who were just a bunch of miners, loggers and farmers who did what they had to do.
Canadians always do what the British want them to do. They are a colonial resource and nothing else. Canadians are born to obey. Germans impress me far more than Canadians.
Germany was targeted as of 1933 by the US and USSR and the UK war party around Churchill, together owning an economy of 53% global GDP. Germany had 11% and never a chance to begin with. Those three wanted war, not Germany.
They were also set up for a slaughter by the British in WW1, for no other reasons that the Germans make better products.
The strategy of the USA and USSR was to play out the Versailles situation and push UK/F in war against Germany first, so they could later intervene and take the European joint over. And when the war started all the neutral domino’s fell (Norway, Holland, Belgium, Yugoslavia, Greece), all towards the allies and in the end the Germans were facing the Soviets, Americans, British, French, Norwegians, Dutch, Belgians, Poles, Canadians. They were set up for the slaughter, outnumbered 1:6. Although both the German and Americans counted 1 German = 2 Americans, by 1944 the Americans were often fighting children.
And in 1945 the All-lies organized a show trial and accused them of wanting to conquer the world and the holo-tale as well. Never mind that nationalists per definition don’t want to conquer the world, they want to keep the world out. The cruelty of the Anglos was unparalleled, every major city was bombed and burned and destroyed, for no other reason than to colonize Germany and the rest of Europe. Major Dutch industries were bombed as well to ensure that the defeat of Europe was total and America had a head start in its perceived “American Century”.
Germany that’s Bach, Beethoven and Mozart.
Canada, that’s fucking Justin Bieber.
http://c.directlyrics.com/img/upload/justin-bieber-calvin-klein-2016-underwear.jpg
Little homo’s all.
Germans are the core and backbone of the white race.
Canadians are designed to wipe themselves of the face of the earth. No identity. No pride. A huge piece of land with borders defined by French and English. Canada is a ship, passing in the night.
Canada got somewhat independent in 1982, in a decade or so it will fall apart and fought over by French, Anglos, Chinese, Hottentots, Indians, whatever.
Germans are people who are able to put a man on the moon, even after they have been raped, bombed, killed by the millions.
Canadians set beaver traps. Canada has just won the World Press Photo for the most gay-friendly football team. Snicker.
North-Americans (1900-2016) and Russians (1917-1953) were people who could not generate an elite that could withstand a certain minority and that minority used their Anglos and Soviet serfs to go get Europe for them. And so they did, Anglos always obey them.
1945 and the Nuremberg Tribunal, that was the kosher supreme moment. The victory of the Tribe over the white race. Or so they thought. After 1953 they lost the USSR and in 2016 they lost the US, at least temporarily, probably for ever.
People like Greg, makati and Davy have no illusions about what could happen next to “diverse” North-America. Trump is the silence before the storm. Civil wars in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Syria have shown that about 1% of the population gets killed in an all out war. That would be 3 million in North-America.
Most Russians meanwhile know who was behind communism, most Americans still have no clue who is ruling over them.
I have now worries about Europe. Now that the overlord has withdrawn, their vassals will soon be history as well and the populist clean up operations will begin.
But as Greg already indicated: peace, that’s behind us and war ahead of us. Everywhere in the West. That’s what always happens once an old order is going to be replaced by a new one.
It is going to hurt a little.
Cloggie on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 3:31 pm
Bannon is different:
http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.771269
Somebody pinch me, I can’t believe this is happening.
Apneaman on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 4:02 pm
Germany put a man on the moon? When did that happen? You mean the Nazi scientists who were furthering Robert Goddard’s work with the inexhaustible resources of the US government (AKA US taxpayer) and helped by thousands of US engineers and technicians. The best the Germans could do on their own is lob a few bombs on London, which the British and their “stiff upper lip” shook off like a bad case of fleas…..then fire bombed Dresden et al. Who came out on top in that exchange?
Robert H. Goddard
“Robert Hutchings Goddard (October 5, 1882 – August 10, 1945) was an American engineer, professor, physicist, and inventor who is credited with creating and building the world’s first liquid-fueled rocket[2] Goddard successfully launched his model on March 16, 1926 ushering in an era of space flight and innovation. He and his team launched 34 rockets[3] between 1926 and 1941, achieving altitudes as high as 2.6 km (1.6 mi) and speeds as fast as 885 km/h (550 mph).[3]
Goddard’s work as both theorist and engineer anticipated many of the developments that were to make spaceflight possible.[4] He has been called the man who ushered in the Space Age.[5]:xiii Two of Goddard’s 214 patented inventions — a multi-stage rocket (1914), and a liquid-fuel rocket (1914) — were important milestones toward spaceflight.[6] His 1919 monograph A Method of Reaching Extreme Altitudes is considered one of the classic texts of 20th-century rocket science.[7][8] Goddard successfully applied three-axis control, gyroscopes and steerable thrust to rockets, to effectively control their flight.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_H._Goddard
Goddard was a hero to all them German rocket boys and others as well and if the US government had sunk money/resources into rocketry earlier the story would be much different. As it stands Nazi & SS scum Wernher Von Braun and the others deserve their credit for making it happen when it did, but make no mistake, they never could have done it in Germany – same as the bomb and the Americans would have got there with or with out them.
Apneaman on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 4:14 pm
Clogdreamer, your idea of pure Germans is hilarious. Given the staggering number of Raped Nazi whores Germany must have one of the most mixed gene pools around. Who’s your daddy little Herman? A Soviet? A Brit? A Canadian? An American? Oh you don’t know? No worries there are hundreds of thousands of other little Herman’s who don’t know who their daddy is either. There is always rape in war and to the victor go the spoils and that includes vaginas. Been that way forever.
Rape during the occupation of Germany
” The wartime rapes had been surrounded by decades of silence.[1][2][3][4] According to Antony Beevor, whose books were banned in 2015 from some Russian schools and colleges, NKVD (Soviet secret police) files have revealed that the leadership knew what was happening, including about the rape of Soviet women liberated from labour camps, but did nothing to stop it.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany
Were Americans As Bad as the Soviets?
In the popular imagination, American GIs in postwar Germany were well-liked and well-behaved. But a new book claims that US soldiers raped up to 190,000 women at the end of World War II. Is there any truth to the controversial claim?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/book-claims-us-soldiers-raped-190-000-german-women-post-wwii-a-1021298.html
The Red Army’s WWII
Horror Orgy Of Rape
Worse Than Thought
“The Red Army’s orgy of rape in the dying days of Nazi Germany was conducted on a much greater scale than previously suspected, according to a new book by the military historian Anthony Beevor.
Beevor, the author of the best-selling Stalingrad, says advancing Soviet troops raped large numbers of Russian and Polish women held in concentration camps, as well as millions of Germans.”
http://rense.com/general19/redarmy.htm
Apneaman on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 4:21 pm
Troops fathered 400,000 children in post-war Germany
German historians say in a new book that at least 400,000 children were fathered by troops of the four allied powers that occupied Germany after World War Two. They resulted from widespread rapes as well as love affairs.
http://www.dw.com/en/troops-fathered-400000-children-in-post-war-germany/a-18237282
The rape of Berlin
The USSR’s role in the defeat of Nazi Germany World War Two 70 years ago is seen as the nation’s most glorious moment. But there is another story – of mass rapes by Soviet soldiers of German women in the dying days of the war.
Some readers may find this story disturbing.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32529679
Stalin’s army of rapists: The brutal war crime that Russia and Germany tried to ignore
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080493/Stalins-army-rapists-The-brutal-war-crime-Russia-Germany-tried-ignore.html
Death, rape, pillage and fire are the constants in war. No matter the millennia or century or local they are there again and again and again.
Apneaman on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 5:04 pm
clogo, Justin is an internet phenomena, so the blame for that goes to the worlds teenagers. No internet, no Bieber.
Canada actually has produced plenty of music that has probably out sold that boring German shit.
The truth of the matter is
Canada Rocks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8z1EzDouNs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAdtUDaBfRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7miRCLeFSJo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAZUsCONjIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auLBLk4ibAk
could go on all day.
Enjoy your boring old people music.
GregT on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 9:53 pm
“Please, friggen Canadians weren’t shit in WWI or WWII. Check out how many participants were Canadian in either war.”
A larger percentage of the Canadian population gave their lives in both WW1 and WW2, than the percentage of the American population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
Not that it’s something worth bragging about…..
makati1 on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 10:56 pm
GregT, the U$ only came into both wars when they were about over. Since few Americans know real history, they just suck up the propaganda Koolaid.