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Saudi’s deputy crown prince to visit US
Saudi Arabia’s powerful deputy crown prince is expected to visit Washington in mid-June for talks with top U.S. officials, possibly including President Barack Obama, amid growing friction between the longtime allies, three sources familiar with the matter said on Friday.
Mohammed bin Salman, son of Saudi Arabia’s King Salman, has been leading a drive to end the kingdom’s dependence on oil and liberalize its economy. He also serves as defense minister, and his discussions with U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter and other top U.S. officials are expected to include the conflict in Yemen, where a Saudi-led coalition last year began a military campaign against Houthi rebels who receive some Iranian support.
The civil war in Syria also is expected to be on the agenda. Riyadh is seeking to oust Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and has provided military support to rebels fighting him.
One of the sources said the deputy crown prince will be in Washington from June 14-16 and then will travel to New York for meetings with financial firms, and possibly to Los Angeles. This person spoke on condition of anonymity because the visit has not been formally announced.
A White House official said, “We don’t have any visit to announce at this time.”
Prince Mohammed’s talks in Washington will come at a sensitive time for U.S.-Saudi relations and energy markets.
U.S.-Saudi ties have cooled under Obama. Many Gulf Arab monarchies, including Saudi Arabia, have privately said they have been disappointed by what they consider the U.S. retreat from the region under Obama, allowing Iran to expand its influence, especially after a nuclear deal was reached last year.
Saudi Arabia’s campaign in Yemen has also been a focus of concern. This week, the United Nations added the Saudi-led coalition to an annual blacklist of states and armed groups that violate children’s rights during conflict.
Separately, the Saudis have mounted a campaign to defend the kingdom’s counter-terrorism record in advance of the expected declassification this month of 28 pages from a 2002 congressional report on the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
Critics say those documents could implicate Saudi officials in the attacks on New York and Washington. Riyadh denies that, and has called for the documents to be made public.
In oil markets, OPEC again this week failed to adopt a clear oil-output strategy at a meeting attended by the new Saudi energy minister, Khalid al-Falih.
Prince Mohammed, whose father has delegated him unprecedented powers, has launched a plan aimed at ending the kingdom’s oil dependence by 2030. But it would require shaking up a bureaucracy that has stymied changes in the past, challenging powerful religious conservatives and building up a private sector currently reliant on state spending.
Obama and Prince Mohammed, along with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, met in the Oval Office in May 2015. Obama visited Riyadh in April when he attended a meeting of the Gulf Cooperation Council.
80 Comments on "Saudi’s deputy crown prince to visit US"
shortonoil on Fri, 3rd Jun 2016 7:52 pm
That picture captures the pure, absolute essence of a Royal AssHole. I hope they gave the photographer a raise.
Newfie on Fri, 3rd Jun 2016 8:39 pm
He’s still a baby.
makati1 on Fri, 3rd Jun 2016 9:01 pm
Assholes having a meeting. So what?
“America’s Greatest Threat Is Its Crazed “Leadership” And Its Brainwashed Population”
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/03/41522/
THAT is the real problem for Americans.
makati1 on Fri, 3rd Jun 2016 9:12 pm
I might add:
“…We are absolutely and categorically certain that Russia will never attack the US, nor any EU member state, that Russia is not at all interested in recreating the USSR, and that there is no “Russian threat” or “Russian aggression.” Much of Russia’s recent economic success has a lot to do with the shedding of former Soviet dependencies, allowing her to pursue a “Russia first” policy. But we are just as certain that if Russia is attacked, or even threatened with attack, she will not back down, and that the Russian leadership will not “blink.” With great sadness and a heavy heart they will do their sworn duty and unleash a nuclear barrage from which the United States will never recover. Even if the entire Russian leadership is killed in a first strike, the so-called “Dead Hand” (the “Perimetr” system) will automatically launch enough nukes to wipe the USA off the political map. We feel that it is our duty to do all we can to prevent such a catastrophe.”
This article should be a sobering read, but many here are too “patriotic/blind” to understand what these five men are trying to tell them. The next war will be over in an hour and you will be dead.
GregT on Fri, 3rd Jun 2016 10:03 pm
“He’s still a baby.”
He’s still young!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwsqoTugSK8
Go Speed Racer on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 12:06 am
Pull-starts.
Survivalist on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 12:28 am
Saudi Arabia is so far past screwed that the light from screwed won’t reach them for 1.3 billion years.
They’re past peak and are currently constructing a narrative to explain away any future decreases in production as being out of choice because they’re ‘moving away from oil’, they’re transitioning from the second generation of sons to the third generation of grandsons of kingdom founder Ibn Saud, with US blessing and assistance they created mad dog salafists to oppose the USSR and they can’t get the crazy back in the box, they’ve had a population explosion of uneducated and entitled half wits, and they’ve encuraged a war in Yemen with no exit strategy and no chance of success. Did I miss anything?
Once the pillars of Saudi rule start to crack it’s gonna get very messy very fast. And you just know Iran will be there to kick them while they’re down.
Survivalist on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 12:34 am
On Saudi Arabia
https://youtu.be/9tHwvZ9XDLU
Survivalist on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 12:35 am
The four clans of the House of Saud.
Palace Coup
https://youtu.be/hh8isVX3H9w
Survivalist on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 12:36 am
The Saudi Dynasty
Pillars of power
https://youtu.be/KjUMB8taEYY
Davy on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 6:57 am
“Violent California Protesters Play Right Into Donald Trump’s Hand”
http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2016/06/03/violent-california-protesters-play-right-into-donald-trumps-hand/
“When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game. The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don’t know how to handle is non-violence and humor. – John Lennon”
“Ultimately, public perception matters a lot, which is why politicians spend virtually all of their energy managing it. Despite the twisted and corrupt nature of our political system, the fact of the matter remains that there will be an election in November 2016, and Donald Trump will be on the top of the Republican ticket. If your goal is to deal with this reality and defeat him, the last thing you want to do is make him and his supporters look good in front of the entire planet. Yet that’s exactly what these mindless imbeciles did. For the first time in this election cycle, they made Trump and his supporters look decent and upstanding, particularly compared to some of their opponents.”
Davy on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 7:05 am
Headlines that mark the death of a boxer as a headline event show how far into denial of the real issues our world has become. A boxer is held as a great person to be mourned. Pathetic!
“Boxing legend Muhammad Ali dies at 74”
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-16011175
Stuifzand on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 7:59 am
Americans are well-advised to pause a little and begin to wake up to the situation they are in and observe history and their own place in a broader perspective:
– Fall of Rome (Christianity against Roman patricians)
– French revolution 1789 (Jacobins against French aristocrats)
– Petersburg 1917 (Bolsheviks against Russian aristocrats)
– USA 201x (BLM, La Raza en white lefties against the core of European America)
What all these four cases have in common is a certain ethnic-religious minority that functioned as a hidden hand behind the overthrow of these civilizations. Common denominator: “kill the best gentiles”.
For Rome read Friedrich Nietzsche (Antichrist, Genealogy of Morals), for the French revolution read Archibald Maule Ramsay (The Nameless War), for Petersburg there are endless sources to be found on the internet of who was behind that slaughter party. For instance Vladimir the Great himself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBHXEusG4Pk
And now America is next.
And the American Lenin is going to be George Soros as the figure head in the coming revolutionary attempt to ram European America into the role of slaves after a century of preparation, or in the context of Orwell’s Animal Farm, with European America in the role of Boxer & Clover the cart horses.
Here is the future map of the world as per George Orwell in his “1984” :
http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1984-thumb-465×215-17701.jpg
pink is totalitarian Ocenia (“Judaic State”), purple is Eurosiberia (“Christian State”), yellow is the “Islamic State”, green is “Confucian State”.
This map represents the future, the fate of America if it won’t get outside help (from Europe) during the transition that is now immanent, just like the fate of Russia was sealed because it didn’t get outside help (from Europe).
Today the chances are now much better to sabotage the intended revolution, because Europe is now unified and not in a state of war, like it was in 1917. And there is China standing by to “de-Americanize” the planet. And there is this unwritten historic law: “first time a tragedy, second time a farce”.
– The preparation for the Russian revolution began as early as 1848 with the publication of the Communist Manifesto (slogan: workers of the world unite against oppressors like bourgeois, entrepreneurs!).
– The preparation for the coming American revolution began as early as 1965, after JFK was murdered, by the same people, after he had publicly warned against the “ruthless conspiracy” and the borders were opened for mass immigration from the third world for importation of the proletariat necessary to carry out the intended revolution (slogan: races of the world unite against oppressors, the white race!)
JFK – the ruthless conspiracy speech, pointing at those who would shortly after kill him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhkjYJAHCjM
makati1 on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 8:22 am
Stuifzand, while the map may have changed some since he drew it, the rest seems to be right on. All the signs are there for another American revolution.
Stuifzand on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 8:23 am
@Davy – he was the greatest.
Don’t expect this to be very prominent in the commemoration of Muhamed Ali:
http://www.amerika.org/politics/muhammad-ali-on-race-patriotism/
Louis Farakhan backs Trump and Muhamed Ali would have done the same.
Stuifzand on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 8:34 am
@Makati – yes, Britain and Australia are correct. You can debate about South-Africa and South-America.
But the biggest mistake is Turkey.
The map was drawn in 1948 and the secular Kemalists firmly in the saddle. Even Orwell did not foresee that Turkey could become fundamentalist, like Iran, as is happening before our eyes.
The rest of the map is correct.
joe on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 8:47 am
To Americas eternal shame and weakness did it embrace those whoes barbaric (i say reading but they couldnt read, most of them) reading of the Holy Koran is allowed to spread unchallanged whereever Nato goes, so the minerets pop up, the beards grow and fear instills.
We are f***ed.
Davy on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 9:40 am
Stufi, you are lost in a previous century thinking like Makati Billy. You guys fail to appreciate the convergency and interconnected nature of the global economy. This interconnected nature is only skin deal and a false sense of security.
You Stufi fail to see the unnatural unity of Europe for no other reason than a false sense of prosperity. Your Europe will come apart in the same slaughter of the 19th and 20th century once a collapse process enters the depression stage. Europe is in clear population overshoot with the desperate masses being let in on top of it. Europeans can’t get along unless they are living well. They easily get jealous of their neighbors because of cultural self-importance.
The worst of what was given to the world is from the so called European Enlightenment. We are doomed because of European “ism’s” and Europe’s industrial revolution. The US is just the final symptom of this ugliness Europe started.
Stuifzand on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 9:47 am
“Louis Farakhan backs Trump and Muhamed Ali would have done the same.”
Oops was wrong about Ali, because of Allah.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/10/9885616/muhammad-ali-donald-trump-muslims
Davy on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 11:48 am
“Anonymous’ Declares War On Mainstream Media: Attacks Fox, CNN, NBC And More”
http://theantimedia.org/anonymous-war-mainstream-media/
Apneaman on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 1:03 pm
‘Anonymous’ another group of useless over-privileged white kids that will be among the first to go.
Anonymous on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 5:16 pm
Needs a caption:
Why is this asshole smiling?
The jewnited states has his back and stands by to give him all the us dollas and weapons he needs.
Rooters says
“Mohammed bin Salman, son of Saudi Arabia’s King Salman, has been leading a drive to end the kingdom’s dependence on oil and liberalize its economy.”
Really? Is that whats hes been doing lately? By conspiring with JewSraelis to tank oil prices, and then flat out refusing to lower production. If that’s how you end dependence on oil, it’s a strange way to go about it. Or maybe not. Maybe the plan is to get rid of whats left@rock bottom prices and hope and then pray to allah and jehovah that that ushers in the new post-oil ‘saudi’ Arabia.(AKA the saudi arabia no one will give a shit about any longer). And WTF does ‘liberalize’ mean in this context? I know what it means here in the free-world order. FTAs, police state surveillance, wealth concentration, overt corporate control of..well, everything. In true orwellian fashion, there is nothing ‘liberal’, in ‘liberalize’. What exactly is there to ‘liberalize’ in saudland anyhow?
Propaganda is too a nice a word I think. ‘western’ MSM ‘news sources’ like rooters, AP routinely print flat-out lies, many swallow these lies whole still, (like the exceptionalist), and no one with any authority calls them on it. And why would they?
Apneaman on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 6:37 pm
Not to worry though. All is for the best in this best of worlds. I’m a big supporter of Trump and he will fix this big mess!
Stuifzand on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 6:50 pm
“Stufi, you are lost in a previous century thinking like Makati Billy. You guys fail to appreciate the convergency and interconnected nature of the global economy. This interconnected nature is only skin deal and a false sense of security.”
Americans and history always has been a bad marriage, Americans see it as a waste of time that only interrupts business. As a consequence you miss a thousands year old agenda that is determining your fate. A well, even a four star general like Patton found out that he had been fighting the wrong enemy, only when he was in Berlin and had to celebrate victory with despicable Mongols from Siberia and began to feel sorry for the Germans and he finally began to found out who is running America…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW5TWYbgMGQ
…and began to act upon it, which got him killed, on orders of Eisenhauer, in Westpoint nicked as the “Swedish kike”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJaxlHk3xkA
“You Stufi fail to see the unnatural unity of Europe for no other reason than a false sense of prosperity.”
The natural unity is 1200-2000 years of Christian heritage, 1000 years of Roman heritage and classical Greece. Don’t worry about “unnatural European unity”. Nationalism was only a brief intermezzo, introduced by the French revolution. European unity achieved after 1945 is not going to be reversed and Russia is going to be added to the mix.
“Your Europe will come apart in the same slaughter of the 19th and 20th century once a collapse process enters the depression stage.”
– There were no real slaughters in the 18th century apart from Waterloo.
– WW1 was the result of British resentment that their global supremacist position was threatened by German unity in 1871 and they began to organize the destruction of Germany since 1891. I don’t consider Britain European.
– WW2 was a setup by American and Soviet Jews, who used the Versailles situation to mobilize Britain and France and set them up against Germany and forcing them in a war guarantee for Poland. When that was in place all the American ambassador to Poland had to do was to instigate the Poles to pose maximum demands and go after the Germans forced to live in Versailles-Poland (in 2014 the US tried to achieve war in an almost equal situation as in 1939 in Donbass). Don’t take it from me, take it from Chamberlain, who was in the middle of it all:
http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/2141aee9270ba15befc04a49ffe2c656.jpg
“Europe is in clear population overshoot with the desperate masses being let in on top of it.”
These masses are currently mobilizing the Europeans against the invasion and the US satraps who soon will be ousted from office, like Moscow satraps Honecker and Ceausescu were in 1989.
“Europeans can’t get along unless they are living well.”
European civilization is very real as any non-European will acknowledge.
“They easily get jealous of their neighbors because of cultural self-importance.”
Ha, haha, hahahahaha
http://www.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/BwnCM9OCYAAJfu9-1-e1449202145292.png
That’s not ‘self-important’ me saying that, but your own Charles Murray.
“The worst of what was given to the world is from the so called European Enlightenment.”
You can’t wait to go back to the Middle Ages, now can you? Back to Jeezass.
“We are doomed because of European “ism’s” and Europe’s industrial revolution. The US is just the final symptom of this ugliness Europe started.”
Don’t forget to fill up your VW Passat when you travel back to Hermann. And I really loved your bravura when you posted from a plane from Lake Michagan. And say hello to your parents when you fly to the Bahamas.
JuanP on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 7:37 pm
My intuition tells me that Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman will be his country’s ruin. He looks like a prototypical narcissistic psychopath.
Davy on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 7:41 pm
Stuif, I am not denying the negatives of the US but you on the other hand are way too upbeat about Europe and I don’t see it. Europe has a long way to fall as does the US.
GregT on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 8:04 pm
“Americans and history always has been a bad marriage, Americans see it as a waste of time that only interrupts business. As a consequence you miss a thousands year old agenda that is determining your fate.”
Not so much about business, but indoctrination.
Davy on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 8:12 pm
Stuif, were you Arthur in a previous life on the board? I was wondering when you would come back to us.
Boat on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 9:21 pm
Many more enlightened Americans resist racism, gender bashing etc. as a waste of time. Kick the world’s ass in making money. Use the proceeds to live in comfort and prepare your family’s next generation to do the same.
GregT on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 10:26 pm
Are you on drugs Boat?
makati1 on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 10:36 pm
GregT, I added Boat to my ignore list as a waste of time. He is either on drugs or something equally brain destroying like American Koolaid.
onlooker on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 10:57 pm
“Not so much about business, but indoctrination.” Yep, we Americans are seen only as good working consuming slaves. All other considerations past, present or future are secondary and banished from the American exceptionalism narrative just like the Elites want. We, Americans made a deal with the Devil. We got to live our relatively comfortable life at the expense of a planet devouring/ people assaulting Empire with absolutely no scruples or conscience.
makati1 on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 11:03 pm
Well put, onlooker. The Devil is getting his due.
GregT on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 11:39 pm
“European unity achieved after 1945 is not going to be reversed and Russia is going to be added to the mix.”
Sounds like you still believe that the NWO will fail Stuifzand. One thing for certain, Trump isn’t going to throw them out on their asses like Putin did. At the very least, I would expect War.
GregT on Sat, 4th Jun 2016 11:53 pm
And also Stui,
Have you watched any of the UNSC meetings over the last couple of years? I have, and it’s blatantly obvious as to where the manipulation originates from.
Stuifzand on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 6:00 am
“Sounds like you believe that the NWO will fail Stuifzand.”
You don’t?!
They are with their backs against the wall, thanks to Drumpf, who meanwhile has usurped most of the GOP. Even Megyn “red knickers” Kelly has molten:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/megyn-kellys-guide-to-surrendering-to-donald-trump
(At times she looks like Clair from the US remake of the British ‘House of Cards’)
A lot has happened over the last 2 years. The exceptional successful Russian intervention in Syria with the aim to block pipelines from the Gulf to the Mediterranean designed to hurt Russian vital interest, namely sabotage income from Russian oil & gas deliveries to Europe. Additionally the Russians could show to the Americans that they have a functioning military and cruise missiles. The first thing the Americans did in response to the cruise missile attack was retreating their carriers in the Indian Ocean southwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2TQ0wAfRts
It remains to be seen what the outcome in Syria will be. Assad is here to stay, that’s for sure. The aim of Turkey and Saudi-Arabia is to connect their countries via a Sunni corridor running through Raqqa… with the quiet backing of Washington, that merely pretends to fight IS… in order to block a Shi’ite corridor Tehran-Baghdad-Damascus. I don’t think the latter is going to happen as the Russians don’t want an Iranian pipeline to the Meditarrenean either. In the end Erdogan will have his Caliphate anyway.
And of course there is the “refugee” crisis in the wake of the US engineered Syrian civil war. That’s massively backfiring as well. The Soros bunch used the occasion to put pressure on Angela Mürkül to take in as many Islamic invaders as possible, but the German population is now resisting. These massive demonstrations are happening everywhere in Germany, not just in the east:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id3z6EW9pjg
And of course there is the unstoppable rise of China. The clock is ticking for a showdown in the South-China Sea (life could become really interesting in the Ps). For China there is much more at stake than merely depriving the Americans the potential of blocking sea lanes. The main prize for China is Australia, exactly as Australia’s most senior politician is fearing most and as a consequence has advised Australian politics to dump the Americans like a hot potato, because the alliance could cause Australia to end up in Chinese hands in case of war, which he thinks the US is going to lose. The Chinese can double their territory by acquiring Australia and solve their overpopulation problem in one stroke:
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/america-australias-dangerous-ally-11858?page=show
Nobody is going to defend Australia and Fraser knows it. Russia and rightwing Europe after the takeover will give China the nod and quietly think: “let them expand into Australia rather than Siberia”.
“One thing for certain, Trump isn’t going to throw them out on their asses like Putin did. At the very least, I would expect War.”
Perhaps, but what Trump has already achieved is giving European America [*] hope again and a foretaste to escape from Washington. But indeed, Trump’s enemy is far more powerful than Putin’s enemy was in 2000. In the end a civil war in the US is inevitable, which the US power elite (if Drumpf fails) will seek to prevent by creating a war outside the US. Ukraine most likely failed. Perhaps they will shift their attention to Poland or the Baltics. The Americans succeeded triggering WW2 via Poland in 1939. They could attempt to try to do it again by now sicking the Poles against the Russians over Konigsberg. But as they say: “first time a tragedy, second time a farce”.
[*] – I know the Americans prefer the term “whites” over “European American”, probably because they smell an imperial rat.lol I don’t like the term “whites”. Gives associations with vitamin deficiencies and too many hours of screen time. And it creates the false impression that skin color is decisive. Brain-software is.
Davy on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 6:36 am
Arthur, you are back that was classic Arthur. Now my question to you is why Swedish. When you were Arthur you were Nederlander? Not an issue because you are a playful lad. How is the garden coming?
Davy on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 6:50 am
OK, now I get it “Stuifzand”
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Stuifzand,+Netherlands/@52.6709038,6.2857696,10z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c81a41492c6409:0x1bef99a2c33e041b!8m2!3d52.7474721!4d6.49875
Glad you are back Arthur we need your thought provoking comments!
Boat on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 6:51 am
Y’all apparently don’t believe in the family unit and love. Some of us think that is the #1 priority.
Davy on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 7:05 am
Preaching today Boat. It is Sunday and maybe church day for you. You might reflect on your embrace of the evils of capitalism while you are at it. Self-reflection and humility are a must for anyone who is religious.
Boat on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 7:18 am
Stuifzand,
China takes Austraila? My god, another greggiet, mak twilight zone escapee. China won’t even take Taiwan.
I am not sure what Hillary will do in the middle east but rest assured it will have more to do with fear of leaving the area than fear of Russia. In fact as the first woman president she will look for a way to show she is strong.
Look out N Korea? Taking out the nukes in China and Russia’s back yard would send a message.
There have been rumors of the US, India and Japan patrolling together to keep the shipping lanes open.
Boat on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 7:31 am
Davy,
Capitalism isn’t a problem. Just overpopulation.
Davy on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 7:49 am
I know Boatie, just like guns are not the problem people are. So I guess to solve the gun problem we kill people. In line with your thinking we can solve the excesses of capitalism by culling the herd. Go back to church and give me some more wisdom. I love some good insight into life.
Stuifzand on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 8:02 am
“Stuif, were you Arthur in a previous life on the board? ”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
“OK, now I get it “Stuifzand””
Stuifzand is Dutch for “drift sand” and was spelled “Stuyvesant” in the 17th century. Like the first American politician who happened to be governor of Nieuw Amsterdam, sometimes misspelled as “New York”.
http://www.newamsterdamhistorycenter.org/media/images/frontpage-background.jpg
Now I am obviously too modest to call myself directly like that. After all the world’s lunatic asylums are filled with Napoleon’s… and Plantagenet’s 🙂
But of course you want to keep the link Holland-America alive, the deepest root of the American republic, hence the nick.
http://gallivant.com/p/2013/05/old-dutch-church-1.jpg
makati1 on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 8:02 am
Stuifzand, I’m not too worried about China doing something to the Ps. The Ps is not a threat to anyone. Not likely to attract nukes as there is nothing here that is that important to China. Chinese own most of the big stuff here. No need to invade.
The new P’s Prez is not an American asshole kisser like the one who is leaving. He is interested in negotiating with China over the S.China Sea dispute. It is too early to tell, but he may overturn the latest military agreements with the Us if he thinks they are anti-Filipino. Should be interesting.
And, our farm is 100 miles, across a mountain range, from any military target here if it would lead to such actions. Americans in America should be more worried. It is US leaders who are beating the bear and dragon with big sticks. The Ps doesn’t even have a twig. ^_^
Stuifzand on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 8:19 am
“China takes Austraila? My god, another greggiet, mak twilight zone escapee.”
Dream on, boat. The world as it is will never change and everything will remain the same until the sun will be burned up in 2 billion years.
Seriously, that’s not me saying that, but the most senior Australian politician, Malcolm Fraser. Should give you reason to pause.
“Now my question to you is why Swedish. When you were Arthur you were Nederlander?”
Pardon me? Swedes are currently the most despised Europeans. It’s a country taking over by despicable feminist cry-babies and hen-pecked metro-sexuals, foaming against ‘racism’ around the clock…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKXEUalVsWc
…ruining the future of the children of Sweden via mass immigration, turning the country in the current world’s rape capital.
Swedes may have been Vikings and conquerors (“Rus” of Russia means “Viking”), but they are not a shadow of their formidable former selves:
The average Swedish male:
http://www.50ish.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/henpecked-man.jpg
Disclaimer:any resemblance with boat is purely coincidental.
Stuifzand on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 8:29 am
“Stuifzand, I’m not too worried about China doing something to the Ps. The Ps is not a threat to anyone.”
That’s true, but if the US and China clash in the South-China Sea, the Ps are certain to feel the consequences, even without being attacked directly. For starters that the flow of goods, food and fuel will be interrupted. And then there are these 5 large US bases in the PS, two of which near Manilla:
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2016/03/21/us-plans-use-five-new-bases-philippines/82072138/
Here an article from today where the US warns China not build yet even more artificial islands:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/inselstreit-usa-warnen-vor-neuen-baumassnahmen-a-1095886.html
But China has already decided that the South-China Sea is her sphere of influence.
Tik-tok-tik-tok…
Boat on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 8:42 am
My particular sWede family immigrated to the US, dug a hole in a hill proceeded to produce six children. Built a stick house and then proceeded to have seven more children. My grandpa tilled 320 acres with the help of my dad, his brother, a team of horses and a two bottom plow. I wasn’t around to know if much hen-pecking was going on but respect for country, hard work and self reliance were certainly passed down.
Boat on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 9:08 am
Davy on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 7:49 am
I know Boatie, just like guns are not the problem people are.
I own guns, grew up with guns, hunted in my youth. I have never shot anyone. I do have a story. On a vacation I went to visit a brother. He had a new shotgun and wanted to teach me how to shoot skeet. I had not held a shotgun in 20+ years. He had a couple of buddies there who had blue rock throwing machines. We all took turns shooting and loading the contraptions. The best of the three was 30 out of 45. I hit 40 out of 45. That was a fun day.
So Davy, why would you want to deprive me of my fun.
makati1 on Sun, 5th Jun 2016 9:13 am
Stuifzand, “Plans to use”, is not actually in place yet and may never be. And that means nothing if the war actually starts, the Us will be denied access to the Ps. The US Navy will stay on the eastern side of the Ps and out of the South China Sea, because the Chinese carrier killer missiles have a range of 1,000+ miles. And I would not give the Us air force much chance either. Most of their planes are antiques or don’t work. Guam is also within range of their missiles now. The US is nothing but bluff and China and Russia know it. This is not WW2 in 1945. This will be a missile war. China is not Iraq. Nor is Russia the Afghanistan. The US cannot even win in those 3rd world countries. How do you expect them to win against a real military? LOL
As for imports, the Ps get a high percentage of it’s important imports from … China. Not going to miss a few from America or Europe. Not saying it will not be noticed, but the Ps is not America where most everything comes from … China.
Using a propaganda rag (Military Times) to prove your assertion is a joke. That is all porn for military junkies. “Feel good” bullshit for the brain dead sheeple in America. Spiegel is not much better.