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Saudi Arabia: 1 Beheading Every 4 Days
Oppression is extreme in Saudi Arabia, which has strong ties to U.S. politicians
As long as Saudi oil is seen as a valuable resource for US oil corporations, the US will maintain relations with the feudal regime regardless of what that means for the rights of Saudi people, Sara Flounders, of the International Action Center, told RT.
RT: Time to time we hear about executions and human rights violations in Saudi Arabia. How do you see the situation the country at the moment?
Sara Flounders: Saudi Arabia from the very beginning has had a very special relationship with the US based on oil, based on huge military support for a completely corrupt feudal regime. The punishment, the absence of any rights for the people go hand and hand. It is not covered here and it should be known because there is one beheading on average every four days in Saudi Arabia, it is so common. Along with other horrendous forms of punishment, of course the beheadings are absolutely outrageous, offensive around the world, [there’s] great outrage when it is carried out by ISIS, but when it’s done in Saudi Arabia it’s not even publicized. And other punishments, to sentence someone to 1000 lashes, that is almost a death sentence. It is so horrendously torturous. And these are common punishments in Saudi Arabia.
It is important to know that women have absolutely no rights in Saudi Arabia: not to work, not to drive, not to have any funds of their own, not to travel, not to step foot out of the house without the permission and accompaniment of a male family member. The immigrants have no rights whatsoever in Saudi Arabia. Although that’s a third of the population, doing everything from the highest level technical jobs to the lowest level housekeeping, garbage, and so on.
At every level Saudi Arabia is dependent on these foreign work force, and this woman is from Burma, I don’t know her exact circumstances, but certainly as a woman and as a non-Saudi, as an immigrant she would be absent any kind of appeal or rights. And other way there are no rights, there is no appeal within Saudi Arabia even for the Saudis. There is a great deal of poverty although there is extreme wealth. There is an enormous amount, the highest in Arab world, of illiteracy in Saudi Arabia and this is what unending US military support has meant to the population of Saudi Arabia.
RT: We know about Saudi’s close ties with the US. Why does the US support such a cruel regime and at the same time in the past influenced overthrows of many other less brutal regimes in the Mideast? Why don’t we hear at least of US disapproval of the executions, etc?
SF: The whole regime is a feudal regime. Back to US support, the largest number of people facing execution in the world right is here in the US. The use of lethal injection and electrocution has also been found to be excruciatingly painful. The last couple of lethal injection executions in the US turned out to be completely botched and a great torture, great torment to those facing execution.
So there is no good way to kill people, but the Saudi form because of the outrage that it raised when it was carried out when the US wanted to whip up its right to bomb, strafe, and use cluster bombs, white phosphorus and horrendous forms which are also torturous and deadly against ISIS. Then they made much of the decapitation, the execution of two journalists. They made no mention of how routine this is in Saudi Arabia, where they plan to train what they say are their new forces to be used in Syria. That is very interesting that Saudi Arabia would be heading up a UN sponsored counter terrorism conference, where Saudi Arabia would be chosen for the training of forces to go into Syria. Yet, their own record is the worst in the region.
RT: How do you see this recent horrible “blogger” case? What was the US reaction?
SF: First of all, the blogger who was charged, committed no crime, this is a thought crime, a violation of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to put forth ideas. And for that he is facing 1000 lashes, carried out 50 at a time because that is all that a human being could bear and live. So this means this excruciating torture will take place over many, many months again and again. It is absolutely inhuman, a degrading form of punishment and intended to be that.
It is so well and good for US senators to call for the end of flogging, but really they should call for an end to the support of this corrupt Royal family who are named the House of Saud, they have named the very country after themselves, expropriated its entire wealth, is in the hands of this one clan, this one grouping. And the rest of the population has no rights whatsoever.
It is held in place in a straightjacket by US support, financial support, technical support, and every way military support, especially because Saudi Arabian oil is considered an extremely valuable resource and contracts favor US oil corporations. They want to keep that relationship regardless of what that means for human rights, for millions of people in Saudi Arabia.
RT: How should US senators act in your opinion?
SF: I think that the senators…are asking to put a good face on a totally rotten situation. Really they should call for a break and end to all support for this Saudi regime. It will collapse tomorrow; it has existed by totally repressing the entire population and acting as a police force in the whole region. Also constantly arming and fomenting the most reactionary jihadist forces throughout the region.
RT: Is there any chance of changing the situation within Saudi Arabia?
SF: Because the oppression is so harsh, so extreme – immediate execution – …. the very idea of trying to unionize or organize in any way whatsoever is punishable by death. As we can see even writing something in anyway critical of the regime – 1000 lashes is a penalty. In Saudi Arabia, the royal family keeps their position of total power by mass terror, and they have brutally put down in the past any kind and every kind of resistance. This is not in any way a democratic regime and it’s far harsher even than military dictatorships that are known around the world. This is really a form of terror against the whole population.
59 Comments on "Saudi Arabia: 1 Beheading Every 4 Days"
Makati1 on Mon, 19th Jan 2015 7:23 pm
The Saudis have China as their best customer now and China does not interfere with government policy. It is strictly business.
The ME is a powder-keg on a short fuse. Oil could be $200 by September…
alokin on Mon, 19th Jan 2015 9:23 pm
The law of karma applies to Muslim as well and to American presidents.
theedrich on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 4:53 am
Way back when, while Illuminatus-in-Chief Franklin Deleano Roosevelt had the American and British air forces busy mass-murdering White civilians in Dresden over the three days of February 13-15, 1945 following a friendly meeting in Yalta with Uncle Josef Stalin, FDR himself meandered down to the Great Bitter Lake northeast of the Red Sea. There, savoring his genosuicidism on St. Valentine’s Day, he held an even friendlier meeting with King Abdulaziz, also known as Ibn Saud, of Saudi Arabia. (How droll that an entire country should be named after the family that controls it!) FDR had already engineered the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor so he could blame it on the Axis of Evil and get into WW II. Now he obligated the U.S. in perpetuity to back the Saudi family in their subjugation of the Arabian masses as long as Their Royal Graces supplied the U.S. and its allies with oil from their kingdom. To this day that family has slurped off trillions (with a “T”) of dollars of the natural wealth of Araby while intoxicating the Neanderthaloid masses with superheated Islamic fanaticism.
Let us bear in mind that this reliance on “Saudi” Arabia is the basis for American control of the world. No one talks about it, because any mention of the truth of Saudi barbarism is incompatible with the myth of U.S. virginity. Even with all of the other types of corruption and criminality endemic to the American Way of Life, this ghoulish foundation of our post-1945 global domination curdles the blood. But then, the mainstream media will make sure to keep the myth of American righteousness prominent in the minds of the low-information voters (i.e., the majority). Because the entire house of cards is built on it. Horror and death are the underpinnings of U.S. hegemony. Without them, there would be no Yankee motherhood and apple pie.
Dredd on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 5:03 am
“Saudi Arabia: 1 Beheading Every 4 Days”
When nations lose their heads.
hculliton on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 5:21 am
Theedrich: you make quite a few bold statements. Care to back them up by disclosing your sources?
TIKIMAN on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 6:37 am
Now if only the US could execute criminals with such efficiency life would be good.
Davy on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 6:47 am
Theee said – Let us bear in mind that this reliance on “Saudi” Arabia is the basis for American control of the world.
Theee, bear in mind control is a two way street. KSA, has had significant influence and control of US policy and military doctrine over many years. IMA, which has been an important counter influence to the Israeli influence. Imagine the ME with a foreign policy completely Israeli dominated. I would call this a KSA/USA codependence. This codependence has over the years allowed the US to go all in on a car and oil culture to the detriments of sound sustainability and resilience. It has led to enormous sums of money being spent on foreign wars and military postings in a hostile theater.
The US is now naked because of oil, ME and a huge military industrial complex. There is no turning back with this codependence for either party. The “den’s” inhabitants in DC know this and are determined rightly or wrongly to maintain influence in this vital area. The US will not leave the ME until BAU is dead. KSA is “all-in” also but in different ways. The propaganda board bitch on PO claims China controls KSA but this is not the case. China is an important customer but China does not project military power in the region. This codependence could end with the destruction of the corrupt feudal KSA regime or the end of BAU.
Makati1 on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 8:26 am
Davy, Love your twisted interpretation of my remark. If I was the target but then who else? ^_^
Enjoy your farm there in the back lands of America while you can. The sheeple are going to wake up one of these days and the blood shed will make The Battle of Gettysburg seem like a Sunday picnic. I am glad I am not in the land of armed, brainwashed zombies.
I hate to even have to come back to see my parents, but I owe them that much. But, if it seems like the Us is about to implode, I will not come back. My new passport is good until 2025 so I am free to stay here. By that time, passports will not be even needed as there will be no one interested in them.
Davy on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 8:49 am
Makster, the only number you need to know when sitting up in your jungle hang eating bananas with your pet monkey is:
“100MIL people in an area the size of Arizona.”
Sounds like the Philippians will be renamed Zombie land. This Zombie land probably will be worse than what you claim I face knowing what I know about carrying capacity overshoot
Or try this Mak:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_rankings_of_the_Philippines
Environment World Risk Index 2013: ranked 170 out of 172
bobinget on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 8:51 am
“I don’t care what all the other boys are doing,
as long as you are under this roof, you will be home from the beheadings by ten”.
Plantagenet on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 9:43 am
Different countries have different cultures. In KSA they have Sharia law.
Americans who are shocked that KSA beheads and flogs criminals need to turn off their TVs and travel the world a bit. Educate yourselves, dudes
bobinget on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 9:54 am
I fear Davy is bang on. Pun Intended.
That US has going along with insane dictatorships for monetary or influence gain is nothing new.
Before mass communications, all so called democracies (UK’s Parliament, 700 years old)
managed some atrocious, ongoing criminal behavior themselves. Slavery depended on doing business with local ‘militias’ not so different from today’s oil wars.
Slavery, misogamy, genocide, suicide bombing, exploitation, if practiced for greater ‘good’ is excusable, even encouraged by paid high priests.
We apparently value immediate comfort more then moral considerations despite praying for forgivness, once, twice or six times daily. How else can we excuse State terrorism as practiced by Saudi Arabia or Israel for that matter?
AS Davy infers, The Saudis, Israelis, have disproportionate US political influence.
The fact is however, to ‘grow’ the US’ need for Mideast oil is greater now then before this ‘oil glut’ high drama.
There are several ways to quiet political instability.
The Saudis, choose cheap imported food, air-conditioning, over large flatscreen TVs, beheading and thrashing for disloyal rule breakers.
The West should follow Germany and Denmark’s lead when dealing with the disenfranchised, ignorant, energetic Islamic youth.
Instead, we keep throwing ‘Hail Mary’ drones at the problem, expecting but not getting, different results..
Plantagenet on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 12:56 pm
It isn’t the job of the USA to go around the world and change governments and cultures so that they more resemble our own. Its a dumb idea and it doesn’t work.
Bush and obama spent hundreds of billions of dollars in Afghanistan trying to “help” them and they’ll be back under Sharia law as soon as the door hits the last US soldier on the way out the door.
Let other cultures run their own affairs.
bobinget on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 2:16 pm
But HRH, where are we to get oil? Lay pipelines?
bobinget on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 2:41 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/20/yemen-houthis_n_6507070.html
Yemeni government overthrown. Coup de Ta
successful.
We await Saudi INTERJECTION to save puppet
leaders.
Saudis, I assure you are not taking this news well.
Watch for troops, Saudi troops or US forces
attempting coup reversal.
“All the King’s men and al the King’s horses””
Speculawyer on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 2:42 pm
I think a lot of the crazy nutty parts of Islam are only allowed to continue in the modern world because we are all addicted to the Saudi oil. 🙁
If Belgium cut off people’s heads and treated women and gays the way the Saudis do, the EU and the USA would not put up with it . . . but the Saudis? Just keep selling us cheap oil. :-/
Plantagenet on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 2:49 pm
@speculawyer
What do you want us to do? Invade KSA and order them not to follow Sharia law?
They are Muslims, for crissakes. They think Allah wants them to follow Sharia Law. They have their own history, traditions, religion, and cultural norms. They’ve been following Sharia law in KSA ever since Muhammad set up Islam 1400 years ago.
bobinget on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 2:59 pm
Oil War Updates:
BEIRUT (AP) — An airstrike on a crowded market in a Syrian village controlled by the Islamic State group killed dozens of people on Tuesday, activists said.
Two activist-run monitoring groups, the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and the Local Coordination Committees, said the attack occurred in the village of Khansaa, in far eastern Syria near the Iraq border. Khansaa is held by the Islamic State militant group.
The Observatory said “dozens” were killed and wounded. Other activists gave estimates ranging from 30 to 75 people killed. Conflicting tolls are common in the chaotic aftermath of violent incidents in Syria.
One activist reached over Skype in the nearby provincial capital of Hassakeh said he was given the names of 70 people presumed killed in the strike, and said another 13 bodies were too badly burnt to be identified.
One day, maybe this one, who knows, will bring about a Kosovo type intervention. Of one thing we can be sure. President O will not mention in tonight’s SOU address Syria’s ongoing slaughter, for which, we the US are partially responsible along with KSA, Russia and Iran.
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So far, oil markets have not reacted to the successful coup in Yemen. That comes when
traders come down off blow to recall where exactly Yemen is situated.
bobinget on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 3:04 pm
HRH, Speculawyer, everything will be made clear as history unfolds.
The most important thing is to keep senses open to observe these most historic times.
We truly are living through ‘the best of times and the worst .. …..’
Perk Earl on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 3:32 pm
“Who will sit with Michelle Obama at the State of the Union address?”
That’s the lead headline on Google news right now. Is there any wonder most people are unaware of our dire predicament.
Regarding the topic at hand, I actually agree with Spec on this one. The West turns a blind eye to SA because of the oil. Absent the oil they would repeatedly be sanctioned.
bobinget on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 3:48 pm
The Next Seven Days decisive IMO.
Fighters from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant group have seized a compound belonging to an influential tribal leader in Iraq’s Anbar province, killing nine police officers as they blew up buildings.
The attack on Sheikh Ahmed Abu Risha’s home occurred on Sunday night as he and other tribal leaders were visiting Washington DC to lobby for more US military support, Al Jazeera’s Jane Arraf reported from Baghdad on Tuesday.
The attack lasted for hours on the edge of the provincial capital Ramadi, she said.
After killing the police officers, who were members of the local tribe, the ISIL fighters moved into Abu Risha’s compound, laid explosives and blew up the buildings, she said.
“It’s a very powerful message from ISIL,” our correspondent said.
She said the attack marked the first time that ISIL forces had made incursions into Anbar.
While Baghdad remains under the control of police, about 70 Percent of Anbar is already under the control of ISIL.
Pinpointing military and humanitarian aid from nations in the international struggle against the armed group.
Abu Risha led the Sunni Awakening, when tribes teamed up with the US military against al-Qaeda in Iraq.
He and other tribal leaders have said that unless they get direct weapons from the US, “they don’t stand a chance” of defeating ISIL, Al Jazeera’s Arraf said.
Meanwhile, violence continues to take its toll in Anbar and beyond.
Two bombings targeting Shia neighbourhoods in Baghdad killed eight people on Tuesday.
Police officials told the Associated Press news agency a bomb blast near a clinic killed five people and wounded 11 others in the New Baghdad district.
A second bomb attached to a minibus exploded in the city’s Sadr City neighbourhood, killing three passengers and wounding seven others, the police said.
Hospital officials confirmed the casualty tolls.
Nobody immediately claimed responsibility for the attacks, but Sunni groups such as ISIL frequently target the country’s Shia majority, whom they consider heretics.
In northeast Diyala province, medical sources in Saadiya hospital told Al Jazeera that they have received 11 dead bodies, and the victims appear to be summarily-executed with gunshots to the head and chest.
The hospital added that all victims were Sunnis, and were refugees who fled the clashes between Shia volunteer forces and ISIL.
And in al-Karma and Fallujah, five civilians were killed among them three members of one family.
Two civlians were killed, and two others were injured in an Iraqi army artillery shelling that targeted Falluja
bobinget on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 3:55 pm
Baghdad Cops Holding Off ISIL
I feel safe, now.
“While Baghdad remains under the control of police, about 70 Percent of Anbar is already under the control of ISIL”.
IF ISIL takes Baghdad? This was unthinkable only
weeks ago.
Worse then that….
ISIL can now go round Baghdad where they would face stiff opposition. Instead, go after Iraq’s Southern Oil Fields.
bobinget on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 4:04 pm
Any number of foreign oil workers will doubtless be flocking to airports. A person can always get new luggage, heads up guys. You have but one of those…. GTFO.
Because oil markets no longer react to World Oil War news, no matter how dire, people need to make judgments on their own safety.
ISIL advances only predict even greater numbers of conflict related refugees, ignored.
Davy on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 4:15 pm
Bobby, chill man, Baghdad won’t fall. Baghdad has 7MIL people of which 80% are Shia. There is no way a small rebel force can take a city that big. The US military never controlled Baghdad. Maybe the bellow scenario is more likely and just as dangerous to stability.
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/07/11/zero-hour-256974.html
An estimated 80 percent of Baghdad’s population is Shia, so it would be difficult for ISIS to overrun it in a conventional way. “It would be very hard to take Baghdad,” says Adnan Hussein, editor of the city’s Almada newspaper. “What is going on now is psychological warfare to frighten people.”
“They will not take central Baghdad,” says Hisham al-Hashimi, a security strategist there. “I am not even sure they want it.” Instead, he says, the Islamic insurgents will take “the Baghdad belt”—a series of towns ringing the city, from which they will wage their brutal war. The main Baghdad belt towns are Tarmiyah and Taji, to the north, and Abu Ghraib, site of the notorious prison, to the west. The southwest towns of Yusufiyah, Lutufiyah and Mahmudiyah are also vulnerable, as is Salman Pak to the southeast.
apneaman on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 5:05 pm
Plant. Get yer jug of lube out and have yourself an all-niter on me.
27 Facts That Show How The Middle Class Has Fared Under 6 Years Of Barack Obama
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/27-facts-show-middle-class-fared-6-years-barack-obama
Plantagenet on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 5:09 pm
@Apneaman
The last thing I’m going to do is celebrate the economic destruction of the middle class.
You go ahead and party on by yourself.
apneaman on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 5:41 pm
Well aren’t you Mr concerned all of a sudden. Fuck the middle class.
It was a self inflicted, Plant. A large middle class was an undeserved one off in human history and collapse is built into civilization. I look at the middle class the same way I look at a junkie that has destroyed himself – all too human. Think it was worth it? Was there ever a choice?
Plantagenet on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 6:28 pm
As I said, you go ahead and party on without me.
Cheers!
GregT on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 7:18 pm
“The West turns a blind eye to SA because of the oil. Absent the oil they would repeatedly be sanctioned.”
Absent the oil, the West wouldn’t have the capability to sanction anybody.
Makati1 on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 7:31 pm
GregT, the ability to ‘sanction’ is about to end, and not well, for the USSA. Be patient.
Makati1 on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 7:34 pm
Davy, do you believe “facts” published by the CIA? Do you live here in the PS? Are you really so afraid that I might be right?
Don’t bother to answer. I will not come back to read it because it will drop below the line and that is history as far as I am concerned.
Makati1 on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 7:45 pm
America executes one every 10 days. Sometimes after 30 years in prison. ( The “for profit” corporations gotta make a buck on their crimes first.)
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/execution-list-2014
America has the highest number of incarcerated in the world: ~2,000,000.
With ~5,000,000 on probation. 5% of the population, 25% of the incarcerated in the world.
Not to mention the ones shot by the cops because of hate or just the opportunity to kill. 2014: 592 people or almost 2 per day, but I am sure they will exceed that number this year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2014
Davy on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 7:56 pm
Philippines-100MIL-116,000 sq/mi
Arizona-6MIL-114,000 sq/mi
Mak, this is reality telling you something not the CIA. Where does the CIA fit into the above Makster?
GregT on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 8:23 pm
See what allegiances to flags do to people? It divides them, and it gets them fighting amongst one other. The oligarchs are very well versed in these tactics. They have studied, and deployed them for thousands of years. Divide and conquer, the oldest strategy in the book.
To the Victors, go the spoils. The rest of us, just argue about which one of their flags is the best.
Speculawyer on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 11:04 pm
“What do you want us to do? Invade KSA and order them not to follow Sharia law?”
No, that is ridiculous. But I think it would be great if the rest of the world were not so beholden to them and had the power to stop buying their oil. They’ve spend billions supporting Whahabbist views of Islam around the world and that has caused problems. I think they’ve backed off a bit lately but they are still terrible IMHO.
I don’t care if you’ve had a certain culture for a 1000 years . . . if you are jailing or killing gay people, that is wrong and we should not support that in any way. You want to worship a tree or rock or sun . . fine. But when your religion affects people who don’t subscribe to it, that is wrong.
Eventually, the oil will run out or we won’t need it anymore . . . and KSA is going to collapse. They’ll become like their neighbor Yemen . . . a near failed state with no economic relevance.
GregT on Tue, 20th Jan 2015 11:42 pm
Spec,
THEY are entitled to do whatever THEY believe to be right. Just like us. WE have incarcerated, jailed and killed more people than they have. WE are terrible as well. THEY have a culture that has existed for more than a thousand years. WE do not. If WE want to worship lust, greed, consumerism, and gay sex, fine. But when our lack of religion and morals affect people who don’t subscribe to them, that is wrong.
The KSA IS going to collapse, and when it does soon, our society is going to fall hard. We need the oil more than they do. We’ll become like our neighbour Mexico, with 250 million personal firearms.
Speculawyer on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 1:07 am
“THEY are entitled to do whatever THEY believe to be right.”
No, they are not. They are entitled to believe whatever they want. But they are not entitled to DO anything they believe to be right. Murdering people that leave their faith or are gay is a violation of basic fundamental human rights.
I’m glad you not in a position of power to that allows you to enforce your retrograde view.
theedrich on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 4:07 am
hculliton: I am not sure just which of my “bold statements” you are referring to. Perhaps FDR’s meeting with Abdulaziz at the Great Bitter Lake in 1945? Look it up on Wikipedia or anywhere else in Google, Bing, etc. FDR’s ensnaring of the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor? There are many, many books on this little trick. The Freedom of Information Act has made a lot of the records available in recent decades. Robert Stinnett’s Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor is a good place to start, although of course the propagandists will never stop sanctifying their favorite presidential murderer. As it was, I omitted to mention that our popular cripple also handed over half of Europe to that nice Mr. J. Stalin. Yes, hculliton, many other contributors on this site have pointed out the incredible hypocrisy and cruelty of the U.S. throughout its history, all perpetrated just to keep BAU growing. Unfortunately, the list of our democracy’s benefactions is far too long to document here.
theedrich on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 4:27 am
Davy – Of course there is a sick symbiosis between the USA and the KSA. That is precisely what FDR and King Saud set up, even though the protocols of that Satanic pact were hidden from the public at the time and remain hidden to this day. FDR promised to protect Allah’s murderers in perpetuity in return for easy oil. It is what has brought about the current death spiral of planetary evolution.
But nature has her own laws, independent of the fantasies of American TV-hypnotizees or their megalomaniac leaders. As many analysts have shown (cf. especially Gail Tverberg), the walls of reality are now closing in on our Disneyland, despite our most fervent wishdreams.
Davy on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 5:30 am
Thee, your conspiracy theories are beyond my ability to feel comfortable with solid belief. I have to take the point that some of it could be true. I just don’t get that warm and fuzzy feeling that these theories are true to the extent that they represent actual alter history in a major way. There are too many lose ends for me.
We know corruption, manipulation, and deceit are a part of history and mush more than the propaganda bitches tell us. The sheeples are easy to fool because they don’t give a shit. They want their comfortable life with happiness. Your conspiracy theories make America the Beautiful at the ballgame somehow less beautiful.
I am of the opinion that modern man is being directed by self-organizing forces of complexity. We are a cycling ecosystem within ascending natural ecosystems. Time space issues of history don’t reflect the dimensional reality of what people experienced then when we mention history now. Grand conspiracies theories I hear here on PO don’t jive well with self-organizing. Conspiracies represent too much top control for what I see as little human control.
You mention FDR gave Stalin Eastern Europe as a negative. Thee, this is the fundamentals of the political. You divide up the pie and distribute the spoils of the dead and conquered. Yours and others here that like secrets and conspiracies have an important place in our discussions because we can be sure of a reality below the surface that is only partially visible. If your conspiracies are true then we have truth issues to deal with.
Makati1 on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 7:40 am
The figures you like to quote for the Ps were provided by the CIA, or didn’t you bother to check? Why should they be any more accurate the any US gov’t numbers? If they came from an independent org outside the MSM Iron Curtain, they might carry some weight. Meanwhile, I live here and see first hand the situation. I don’t need to read about it.
Bullshit in … bullshit out.
Davy on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 7:56 am
Poor Makster can stand anything that diminishes his adopted homeland. That some pretty piss poor numbers right Mak: Environment (Philippians) World Risk Index 2013: ranked 170 out of 172
It would upset me too. You like to throw out CIA conspiracies when you read something you don’t like. The CIA is not concerned with the P’s Mak, they consider the P’s an ally against China. Sorry Mak for the cognitive dissonance reality causes you. Is Wikipedia a CIA sponsored site because that is where the numbers came from. I noticed you linked Wikipedia in an above comment. Isn’t that selective use of sources and facts?
bobinget on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 12:21 pm
More ‘pro-war’ news, just in.
US House Speaker John Boehner has invited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak to Congress on Iran.
The move is seen as a rebuke to President Barack Obama’s threat to veto any additional sanctions on the country during his State of the Union address.
The White House has said it believes new sanctions will be harmful to negotiations on its nuclear programme.
Mr Boehner also criticised the president’s other proposals, including a tax hike for the rich.
He confirmed on Wednesday he had invited Mr Netanyahu to speak to Congress “on the grave threats radical Islam and Iran pose to our security and way of life”.
The Speaker accused Mr Obama of “papering over” the threat of both militant Islamic groups and Iran’s nuclear programme in his speech.
During the address, Mr Obama had called on Congress to pass a resolution to authorise the use of force against the Islamic State militant group and said he would veto any bill that offered new sanctions on Iran.
On Wednesday a White House spokesman said the move breached “typical protocol” but the administration would reserve judgment until the Israelis had outlined their plans.
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HRH will call the upcoming Iranian disaster “Obama’s War”. Me, I think Speaker Boehner deserves more then a little credit.
bobinget on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 1:05 pm
We’ve been ignoring Libya for a few days. Distracted by Nigeria’s outrageous slaughter of 2,000 black folks. (who cares?)
News coming out of Libya and it’s THE most alarming in Africa.
http://www.vocativ.com/world/libya/isis-inviting-north-africans-syria-far-come-libya/
Islamic State organisers are offering North African supporters an easier way to join the caliphate—travel to Libya. Directions on how to enter Libya via its porous southern borders are circulating online, and a social media campaign with the hashtag #TheMigrationToTheStateInLibya is encouraging Maghreb supporters to fight in Libya in the name of the Islamic State. It’s still unclear whether the campaign was initiated by official ISIS outlets, but supporters have been circulating it widely.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/libya-becoming-hq-for-major-terrorists/
ISIL continues to recrute fighters at alarming rates.
These dudes haven’t the foggiest how to govern, except by fear tactics. Nevertheless IS is making fearful land gains. Here’s why…..
It’s simple really.
Islamic ideologues welcome hate, discrimination,
fearfulness in North American and European cities.
It’s true.
The greater the level of ‘Islamophobia’ the higher number of new recruits.
Young under educated, unemployed boys everywhere seek comradeship, a sense of belonging to a ‘great’ movement. The more young muslims feel isolated, rejected by society, greater adventure calls.
There’s no mystery why dirt poor African men
turn towards Islam. Everyone in IS get paid the exact same wage.
This day’s outrage shows two IS lads pushing a suspected homosexual off a tall building in Mosel.
Videos of crucifixions are a big hit. While we may see irony in a crucifixion video, most Iraqi or Syrians
aren’t amused.
GregT on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 1:28 pm
” Murdering people that leave their faith or are gay is a violation of basic fundamental human rights.”
So is murdering innocent civilians and referring to them as collateral damage. So is torture. So is imprisoning people without due process. So is maiming and killing hundreds of thousands of people all in the name of regime change. So is using depleted uranium munitions and chemical warfare. So is oppressing entire societies in order to take control over their resources. I could go on and on and on.
They are entitled to do whatever they believe to be right. It is their society, their culture, and their ideologies. It is up to them to make their own laws according to their own beliefs. Just as it would be against our rights for them to impose Sharia law on us, it is against their rights for us to impose our beliefs on them.
Apneaman on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 2:16 pm
bobinget and anyone else interested in varied sources and perspectives on ME and global affairs. I have found this site to be a very useful non MSM source. I’ll link to the about me page and leave the rest to y’all.
https://libya360.wordpress.com/libya-360/my-purpose/
bobinget on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 2:31 pm
GregT
I prefer to look at motive.
Oil certainly is a powerful lure.
WE need to ask, are we, ‘more enlightened ones’
using correct strategies? Coping with climate change, diminished energy, more to the point, Water Resources.
At some point it’s going to strike even the most ardent Republican, sending military traveling seven thousand miles to enforce timely petroleum resource deliveries has diminishing returns.
There needs to be public debate about policy.
Sure as shootin, most folks believe we spend billions in garden spots like Iraq because we are trying to impose democracy. A tiny minority understand how important low cost oil is to our economies. Most Americans were led and many still believe, we are ‘avenging’ 9/11 in Iraq and now Syria, soon Libya and Nigeria and Sudan on and on.
Posters here are not onboard a ‘proxy war’ reality
I’ve been selling. Too polite got say I’m nuts you all just glaze over and stick a demand/supply party line.
If I can’t sell the facts of life here, what hope is there with ‘the great washed’?
At this point of ‘The Big Muddy’ our only objective seems ‘just get to the other side, then we can figure out something’…
Apneaman on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 2:55 pm
‘the great washed’ or unwashed, sheep or plebs have always existed. There is simply no getting around that fact. Look at the Germans before WWII. They were arguably the most educated and advanced culture at the time, but it did not seem to matter in the end. Societies under pressure tend go insane in a hurry. All the more troubling in the new dumbed down world.
Amvet on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 4:01 pm
That the US government had a plan to provoke Japan into attacking us so that we could immediately declare war on Germany is well documented. See DAY OF DECEIT by Robert B Stinnett It got great reviews for being accurate and then was never mentioned.
GregT on Wed, 21st Jan 2015 4:45 pm
As I have mentioned here in the past before, I lived with a gal for a few years who really opened my eyes. She was a history professor at UBC. Her version of the history of both the first and second world wars, is VERY different from the versions that we were all taught in school. Everything is not as black/white, good/bad as we have been lead to believe. As always, there were ulterior motives behind the scenes. Let’s just say that ‘follow the money’ is a very good saying for a reason.