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Russia, China eclipse US in hypersonic missiles

Russia and China are outpacing the United States in the development of super-fast missile technology, Pentagon officials and key lawmakers are warning.

Russia says it successfully tested a so-called hypersonic missile this month, while China tested a similar system last year expected to enter service soon.

“Right now, we’re helpless,” Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in advocating for more investment in hypersonics, along with missile defense.

Hypersonics are generally defined as missiles that can fly more than five times the speed of sound.

Gen. John Hyten, commander of U.S. Strategic Command, last week described a hypersonic as a missile that starts out “like a ballistic missile, but then it depresses the trajectory and then flies more like a cruise missile or an airplane. So it goes up into the low reaches of space, and then turns immediately back down and then levels out and flies at a very high level of speed.”

In November, China reportedly conducted two tests of a ballistic missile with a hypersonic glide vehicle that U.S. assessments expect to reach initial operating capability around 2020. The country had already conducted at least seven tests of experimental systems from 2014 to 2016.

Meanwhile, earlier this month, Russian President Vladimir Putin delivered a flashy state of the nation address to tout a slate of new weapons, including a hypersonic missile he claimed was “invincible” against U.S. missile defenses. About a week later, Russia claimed it successfully tested a hypersonic.

At the time of Putin’s announcement, the Pentagon said it was “not surprised” by the report and assured the public that it is “fully prepared” to respond to such a threat.

But in congressional testimony last week, Hyten conceded U.S. missile defense cannot stop hypersonics. He said that the U.S. is instead relying on nuclear deterrence, or the threat of a retaliatory U.S. strike, as its defense against such missiles.

“We don’t have any defense that could deny the employment of such a weapon against us, so our response would be our deterrent force, which would be the triad and the nuclear capabilities that we have to respond to such a threat,” Hyten told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

To bolster missile defenses against hypersonics, Hyten advocated space-based sensors.

“I believe we need to pursue improved sensor capabilities to be able to track, characterize and attribute the threats, wherever they come from,” he said. “And, right now, we have a challenge with that, with our current on-orbit space architecture and the limited number of radars that we have around the world. In order to see those threats, I believe we need a new space sensor architecture.”

Asked if the U.S. is really falling behind Russia and China on hypersonics, Thomas Karako, director of the Missile Defense Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said flatly: “Yes.”

“And the reason is the U.S. hasn’t been doing anything near the same pace both in terms of developing our own capabilities but also failing to develop sensors and shooters necessary to shoot down theirs,” he continued.

Terrestrial sensors are limited in their ability because of the curvature of the earth, Karako said, but “you can’t hide from a robust constellation of space-based sensors.”

Yet while the last five administrations have identified space-based sensors as a critical need on paper, nothing has come to fruition, he said.

“One of the reasons that we haven’t prioritized the hypersonic threat is we were slow to kind of appreciate not merely the Russia and China problem, but the Russia and China missile problem,” Karako said.

In that regard, he credited the National Defense Strategy and the Nuclear Posture Review, both of which were unveiled by the Trump administration earlier this year, for their renewed focus on a “great power competition” with Russia and China.

Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.), chairwoman of the Senate Armed Services Strategic Forces Subcommittee, likewise cited them as helping the U.S. get back on track in the area of hypersonics.

“I think we are aware of the capabilities that our adversaries have, and … whether it’s the Nuclear Posture Review, National Defense Strategy, these are all laid out because of the identification of the threats we have,” she said.

Fischer added that there “probably will be” something about hypersonics in her subcommittee’s portion of this year’s annual defense policy bill.

But the Nuclear Posture Review, in particular, has been controversial for its call to develop a sea-launched nuclear cruise missile and a “low yield” warhead for submarine-launched ballistic missiles. Those new capabilities are part of the deterrence that Hyten cited, but critics say the document is poised to fuel an arms race.

“Calling for the addition of new weapons and weapons capabilities to our arsenal and expanding the role of nuclear weapons in U.S. national security strategy imposes significant economic burdens and undermines decades of United States leadership to prevent the use and spread of nuclear weapons,” more than 40 House Democrats, led by Reps. Earl Blumenauer (Ore.), Barbara Lee (Calif.) and Mike Quigley (Ill.), wrote Monday in a letter to President Trump.

“We oppose this approach and will continue to support maintaining an effective nuclear deterrent without wasting taxpayer dollars, inciting a new arms race or risking nuclear conflict,” they said.

In addition to the nuclear review, Pentagon officials have been touting budget proposals that would put more money toward hypersonics and missile defense that they say will help close the gap with Russia and China.

Hyten told the Senate Armed Services Committee that there’s $42 million in the fiscal year 2019 budget for the Air Force and the Missile Defense Agency to work on a prototype for space-based sensors.

Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson, meanwhile, told the House Armed Services Committee last week her fiscal 2019 budget includes $258 million for hypersonics.

And Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) Director Steven Walker touted his $256.7 million fiscal 2019 budget for hypersonic missile development the same day as Putin’s press conference. Still, he said, DARPA needs more money for infrastructure to test the missiles, as most of the agency’s testing is done out of one facility.

“The dollars that were allocated in this budget were great, but they were really focused on adding more flight tests and getting some of our offensive capability further down the line into operational prototypes,” he told the Defense Writers Group. “We do need an infusion of dollars in our infrastructure to do hypersonics.”

Inhofe, the senator from Oklahoma, said he’s most worried about the missile defense issue, adding there “appears to be no defense” against hypersonics. To him, the answer is reversing defense budget cuts, which Congress has taken steps to do in a two-year budget deal and a recently passed appropriations bill for fiscal 2018.

“We need to make up the losses that we had during the Obama administration by putting a priority, which we are doing now, on the military,” he said.

The Hill

169 Comments on "Russia, China eclipse US in hypersonic missiles"

JuanP on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 9:01 am

Micromind will be around soon telling us all that his delusional mind thinks that Putin’s days are counted and the USA will perpetrate a preemptive nuclear first strike on Russia and the US will control the Russian oil fields and sell Russian oil to China. That guy’s mind makes up better fantasies than any movie. That is what the American educational system does these days, raise brainwashed ignorant fools. LOL!

Russia is the biggest country in the world and the best air defense systems, but the Imaginary Neuron and other deluded Americans think we can beat them. Never mind the fact that the USA hasn’t won a war in living memory.

fmr-paultard on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 9:22 am

this doesn’t matter. supertards will come up with something faster, more stealthy.
the news from china nad russia is not good. it’s all weapons development, all the time. this is a shogun policy and it will bankrupt them as reagan did with help of fathertard votayja. once fathertard francis is gone (due to old age) we will have our polish fathertard.

fmr-paultard on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 9:26 am

the enemies of russia (former ussr republics and uke). the enemies of china are too numerous. this is due to dictatorship. supertards have maintained linkage with these fractions who have legitimate and existential fear for their own safety.

The speed and efficiency supeartards conducted war against isis and iraq in falujah, rahqa, mosul is top notch. destruction is total and efficient. this can happen in russia and china. dont’ worry

Mark on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 9:33 am

WWIII is going be entraining…and brief!

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 9:59 am

Missiles, while important don’t win wars. It takes air, sea, and land combined with training, logistics, and finally morale. China and Russia are formable forces and should not be underestimated. The US forces are highly competent. If you remove the agenda in these conversations and understand the real issues then one can shoot holes in the emotions of sensationalism found in these articles.

pointer on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 10:07 am

It’s all an illusion. Worrying about missiles, Trump, who’s right, who’s wrong, WWIII, mispellings, Davy’s pontification — they’re all just distractions that keep us from remembering that everything is meaningless while we wait to die.

deadly on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 10:20 am

Sheeeee…. it.

Hypersonic missiles and no defense to stop them, damn.

Holy Moses. The US needs to invest another 40 quadrillion dollars in the defense industry. Russia can’t have better offensive weapons than US offensive weapons.

It must be fixed. It is an outrage.

Just buy a Tesla and then watch it self-immolate with you in it.

Tesla is toast, pun intended.

fmr-paultard on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 10:22 am

there’s no such thing as “us” because it’s a victimhood mentality and that’s in the neighborhood of eurotard and SENTAPBs and greg. it’s a funnel for cults and zakat giving to people like mollyneux and alt-tard media. i’m so sick of alt-tard media ..gold this gold that as a former paultard my walet is empty and i’m out to destroy the alt-tard media because they destroyed my $$$ in gold.

“us” also sent jihadists to syria and iraq to fight for their caliphate. dissention is death.

supertards allow us luke 22:36 so we can ensure our liberty. our compact is not cultish since luke 22:36 can ovrride harmful measures of pyschopaths.

even permacultism is not a cult. it’s only a scam to get women to do backbreaking labor, something i oppose vehemently.

fmr-paultard on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 10:37 am

if a a shift to KSA’s kinetic wars portend troubles then why would eurotard greg and sentapBs cheer uptick of shogun development for china and russia?

logically this is not correct. trobule in KSA is trobule in Putinland/Xiland

GregT on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 10:58 am

“Missiles, while important don’t win wars. It takes air, sea, and land combined with training, logistics, and finally morale.”

Air, sea, and land forces, do not win wars where both side have nuclear tipped missiles. That’s exactly the kind of stupidity that threatens mankind’s very existence.

Idiots such as yourself need to be removed from the human gene pool.

GregT on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 11:05 am

I might add, the only people who win wars, are those who finance them, supply arms for them, and who do not fight in them.

Plantagenet on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 11:16 am

The Obama administration was asleep at the switch while China and Russia were developing these new weapons.

Now the US faces a hypersonic missile gap.

GregT on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 11:25 am

The Obama administration was too busy surrounding Russia with a missile “defence” system Planter.

The very reason why Russia developed these new weapons. As a deterrence.

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 11:42 am

“Idiots such as yourself need to be removed from the human gene pool.”

Funny I feel the same about you.

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 11:45 am

“The very reason why Russia developed these new weapons. As a deterrence.”

greggie, you have no military weapons background and you have no inside knowledge of why the Russians developed these missiles. All sides are developing them because all sides are developing them.

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 11:49 am

“I might add, the only people who win wars, are those who finance them, supply arms for them, and who do not fight in them.”

BS, greggie, it depends on what type of wars. Quit generalizing.

GregT on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 11:56 am

“greggie, you have no military weapons background and you have no inside knowledge of why the Russians developed these missiles. All sides are developing them because all sides are developing them.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_WPk6Rxx00

GregT on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 11:57 am

“BS, greggie, it depends on what type of wars. Quit generalizing.”

Humanity doesn’t want, or need, anymore of your wars Davy.

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 12:04 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_WPk6Rxx00

greggie, of course Putin is going to say these things. What a gullible sissy. No wonder you are afraid to go on so many sites. You don’t have the ability to digest what is being said.

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 12:05 pm

“Humanity doesn’t want, or need, anymore of your wars Davy.”

greggie, no shit sherlock. What does that have to do with you habit of generalizing the reasons for war?

GregT on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 12:22 pm

Make your last stand in your “promised land” Davy, and leave the rest of us out of it.

pointer on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 1:38 pm

Good grief, guys.

Here’s an assignment: Take out a pad of paper. Fill a page by writing over and over again, “Me being right is very important!” Keep going until you feel a shift, a kind of “aha!” moment. If you don’t, turn the page and continue writing. Keep filling pages until you feel a shift.

If you succeed, this will become a most boring forum. There will be nothing to say.

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 1:48 pm

Greggie, you bumbling incoherent idiot who care about what you think and who it the we? Mr always bitching about “we” stupidities. You really need to get back in therepy. Get off this forum before you lose all your marbles. You are not stable enough to handle the rigors of debating

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 1:50 pm

Pointer, this is what greggie wants to do so this is what he gets. I have asked him to respect the group but greggie is concerned with his place as board policeman.

Cloggie on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 2:09 pm

Russia and China may have hyper-sonic missiles and shit, but the US has time-tested 1940s technology carriers.

Match made in heaven.

Cloggie on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 2:28 pm

One would always feel sorry for the good senator. Almost.

The solution is simple of course and would begin with drawing hard conclusions about the absolute uselessness of a surface navy in the 21st century, where a 1 million hypersonic missile almost always beats a multi-billion, slow maneuvering sarcophagus, aka a ship.

But here is the kicker, the US doesn’t want to draw that inevitable conclusion because, you see, a navy used to be an instrument to “project power” far away from your own borders and the US is very reluctant to accept the idea that it won’t be easy anymore to threaten countries on THEIR doorstep.

The US navy: effectively a Chinese/Russian asset, because it is a useless drain on US fiscal resources (40% “defense” budget).

The situation is the same as in 1940. The military in general is always busy fighting the last war and is usually blind for new developments. There was only one French general, the illustrious Charles de Gaulle, who perfected foresaw that the Germans had the superior strategy with their very fast, flexible tanks, where the French were still thinking in terms of static fronts:

https://www.amazon.fr/fil-l%C3%A9p%C3%A9e-Charles-GAULLE/dp/2262050201

(1932)

It could that the new naval reality will become obvious when the US attacks Iran. Expect Russia and China to use the conflict to experiment with their new weapons on US vessels, using the good services of the Iranian proxy.

GregT on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 2:31 pm

“Greggie, you bumbling incoherent idiot who care about what you think and who it the we?”

Anybody care to take a wild stab at translating the above comment into English?

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 2:36 pm

Here we go again nedernazi is mistaking the usefulness of military assets. Carriers are well worth the investment. Does the US need as many as they have, I would say no. The US has hypersonic technology. It is not an extreme technology. Carriers have always been vulnerable to ballistic missle attack. Hypersonic is just adapted ballistic missile technology.

Cloggie on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 2:40 pm

Anybody care to take a wild stab at translating the above comment into English?

Just put it in Google Translate to arrive at:

“I have been cornered again, I know no way out, I am desperate and now I have started drinking again. It sucks to be a 1-percenter-wannabee”.

Where would we be without Google Translate, I’m asking you.

Cloggie on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 2:44 pm

The usual empty bluster from the Prozark, totally ignoring the core argument made by senator Inhofer (a Natzi? Must be), namely that there is no defense for a surface ship against an attack by a hyper-sonic missile.

But tell me, Meathead, which part of…

Right now, we’re helpless

…don’t you understand? Remember that I’m here to help you.

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 3:00 pm

Right nedernazi, tell us again how many men are under arms on the Korean Peninsula? For you this whole discussion is about winning and losing instead of the real issues.

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 3:02 pm

One thing about Nazis they sure stick together. It is a brotherhood thing I guess.

Anonymouse1 on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 3:22 pm

I guess that explains the deep, enduring bond you and your kosher-buddy cloggraham share, right exceptionalist? Or do you consider it a 3-way if you include your sock?

JuanP on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 3:34 pm

Board’s tard (whatever that means, retard? Please explain fmr) “even permacultism is not a cult. it’s only a scam to get women to do backbreaking labor, something i oppose vehemently.”
I just got back from the urban organic Permaculture farm where my wife and I grow food here in NE Miami. I couldn’t help but laugh at your comment because there is some truth to it. The only place in the USA where I have come across more young, fit, beautiful women than in Permaculture farms and courses is in Hot Yoga classes. If I were single and looking for awesome sex and/or smart female company I would practice Hot Yoga and learn and practice Permaculture.

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 3:47 pm

The struggling to be an engineer, weasel, speaks but is unable to say anything. Waste of time millennial is all I see. No wonder Canada is little more than an American Reaource Farm. With young people like the weseal being bred there appears little in the way of future.

JuanP on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 3:55 pm

Pointer “they’re all just distractions that keep us from remembering that everything is meaningless while we wait to die.”
Well said!

DerHundistlos on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 5:18 pm

Plantagnet aka Planters Wart as predictable as stink on shit.

Sure, I believe every word spoken from the leading AGW is a hoax cheerleader in congress, Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.). No need to take action as the good Lord will solve all problems.

MASTERMIND on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 7:12 pm

Poland signs $4.75 billion deal for U.S. Patriot missile system facing Russia

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-raytheon-poland-patriot/poland-signs-4-75-billion-deal-for-u-s-patriot-missile-system-facing-russia-idUSKBN1H417S?il=0

At no time during Cold War was one side surrounded by anti-ballistic missiles ie Russia..There is no comparison. The old game could only end in a draw. The new game can played to win by the USA….If was Putin I would be packing my golden parachute about

MASTERMIND on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 7:13 pm

Poll: Majority of Americans say they are not seeing change in paychecks due to tax cuts

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/380598-poll-majority-of-americans-not-seeing-change-in-paychecks-due-to-tax-cuts

MASTERMIND on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 7:16 pm

A new Cold War with Russia? No, some experts say — it’s worse than that

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/world/2018/03/28/A-new-Cold-War-with-Russia-No-some-experts-say-it-s-worse-than-that/stories/201803260208?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1522241361

The wood has been slowly dried for some major future event, and a false flag event will be
like a lit match on the kindling. The media will pick it up and run with it full-throttle, and people will be herded by fear toward the war door.

makati1 on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 7:38 pm

Greg, I see that the Missouri Mule is even worse than before. He wants to be nuked. It would take all of us sane people with him.

Russia is not going to be invaded by anyone. They learned that lesson in 1941. They started to develop their antimissile shield and missiles right after they kicked out the Us puppet government and Putin took over. Russia is now virtually untouchable, thanks to the S-400 and the soon-to-be S-500, by any other power, including the Us.

https://orientalreview.org/2018/03/24/russias-s-400s-are-the-key-to-a-neo-nam/

The new hyper-sonic missiles are unstoppable. The Us carrier fleets are ducks in a bathtub. Accessible anytime, anywhere in minutes. The first to go in any conflict. Both China and Russia have that capability. And, the Us military knows it. It is just the insane DC idiots who believe different.

The next big war will be fought with missiles and be over, for the most part, in 24 hours. No winners. Just temporary survivors that will die in the nuclear winter or by cancers. The only question is if the total collapse of the Us can prevent it or will cause it? We shall see.

Davy on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 7:47 pm

Billy 3rd world believes missiles win wars. Billy, remember when you were telling us there are 10MIL men under arms on the Korean Peninsula? That is an example of the depth of your military understanding. What you are good at is lusting over war. War Pig!

MASTERMIND on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 7:47 pm

Madkat

We have Putin totally surrounded right now..He is the sitting duck! And Russia has an old 1980’s military..And China doesn’t want to go against the USA! Putin is going to die soon! He is just one false flag away! LIVE FREE OR DIE!

makati1 on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 7:59 pm

MM, you are as delusional/brainwashed as that Missouri mule. The Us systems are antique and will NOT save America from destruction by the new missiles and the subs that carry them by the hundreds.

The next big war will be fought with missiles, not WW2 style ground attacks. That is for 3rd world countries with no missiles. Why do you think the Us has not invaded N.Korea? Missiles. Or China? Missiles. Or Russia? Missiles. Iran? Missiles. It has only invaded weak countries with little or no means to fight back, but the US is still losing all over the world. It hasn’t ‘won’ in 150 years. (US Civil War)

It will be all over before you can get out of bed and pull on your pants after the flash over Chicago at 3AM. By the time you get to the basement, all of the major cites in the Us will be gone. You better hope that something bad happens in the Us to prevent it. This is NOT 1940, MM. This is the 21st century.

MASTERMIND on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 8:04 pm

Madkat

You think Russia can beat the US and our allies? And the UK is now on our side after that sky attack! And we got Israel bring up the rear you ignorant old prune! Russia wont know what hit their asses! Putin is a dead man walking! We got ant missile shields you fool that can stop anything. And he is totally surrounded by them! LOL Say goodnight Putin! Oh and whats that Poland how is pointing missiles at Russia as well. They are all alone! LOL

Poland signs $4.75 billion deal for U.S. Patriot missile system facing Russia

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-raytheon-poland-patriot/poland-signs-4-75-billion-deal-for-u-s-patriot-missile-system-facing-russia-idUSKBN1H417S?il=0

MASTERMIND on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 8:06 pm

And once we kill Putin and take over Russia we will have the oil and gas reserves to ourselves! Just like we did with Iraq! Say goodnight Vlad the bad!

makati1 on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 8:27 pm

Delusional….very delusional, MM. Join us in the real world sometime you feel brave. Maybe you and Davy can share a room at the funny farm? lol

Davu on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 8:30 pm

Billy 3rd world, you sound ridiculous when you act tough. Dorks are dorks and this is why you and the weasel look so stupid when you try to show manhood.

makati1 on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 8:32 pm

America is destroying itself from within.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/opioids-and-the-narcotic-fueled-genocide-of-american-workers/5633940

“The ongoing mass genocide by opioids may have started to arouse popular discontent among working people who do not want to continue dying young and miserable! Social services and child protective services for the millions of orphaned or abandoned children of this crisis have been demanding real policies. Unfortunately, the usual platitudes and failed policies prevail. Drug education and ‘opioid addiction treatment’ programs (currently among the largest expense in some union health plans) are pointless Band-Aids when confronted by the larger policy decisions fuelling this crisis. Nevertheless, thousands of health care professionals are beginning to resist corporate pressure to prescribe cheap opioids – and fight for more expensive, but less dangerous, alternative for addressing their patients’ pain. Even if all medical providers stopped over-prescribing narcotics today, there are still millions of addicts already created by past practice, who seek the most deadly street drugs, like fentanyl, to feed their addiction.”

Nuff said.

makati1 on Wed, 28th Mar 2018 8:37 pm

Davy, better than sounding insane and delusional as is typical of your non-rebuttals, childish name calling and stupid, not supported by any references, replies. I’m living in the real world. You are not. The Us is going down and it will take you with it. So be it. It couldn’t happen to a better deserving country or person.

Russia, China eclipse US in hypersonic missiles

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