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Putin Exploits Europe’s Divisions in Bid to Dominate Gas Supply

KARLSHAMN, Sweden—This small port town offers a textbook case of how Russian President Vladimir Putin has thwarted U.S. and European efforts to rein in Moscow’s most powerful source of leverage and cash: energy.

Karlshamn’s local leaders in January opened its port to Russia’s state-owned energy company, PAO Gazprom, in defiance of Swedish national authorities alarmed by a growing Russian military presence in the Baltic Sea. A subcontractor for a Gazprom subsidiary is now allowed to store pipes here for an $11 billion undersea natural-gas pipeline from Russia to Germany, easing the path for a project opposed by Sweden’s national government, the European Union and the U.S.

“We are not afraid of the Russians,” said Per-Ola Mattsson, Karlshamn’s mayor, who supports the agreement. “But in Stockholm, I think they are.”

Sweden is a prime example of Mr. Putin’s divide-and-conquer strategy as he attempts to maintain Russia’s status as an energy powerhouse and a geopolitical force in Europe. The Nordic country has reinstituted a military draft and moved troops to a strategic Baltic Sea island in response to Russian military moves, but it can’t stop Karlshamn from helping Gazprom because local governments in Sweden have strong authority over local affairs.

The pipeline, called Nord Stream 2 and expected to be completed at the end of 2019, is a priority for Moscow, which depends on pipeline gas sales for more than 10% of its export revenues. It would double the capacity of the existing Nord Stream pipeline to Germany and allow Russia to bypass Ukraine to reach its most lucrative European markets.

U.S. and European authorities have worked against Nord Stream 2, saying it deepens Russia’s influence. The EU and the Obama administration have said it would deprive Ukraine of economic leverage and a crucial source of income in the wake of Russia’s invasion there. The Trump administration’s position isn’t clear. The State Department didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Moscow is moving forward by exploiting disjunction and competing priorities in the EU, which can’t block the pipeline outright.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has been a driving force behind EU economic sanctions against Russia over its intervention in Ukraine, but she has also supported Nord Stream 2, calling it a commercial project. Germany, the largest importer of Gazprom’s gas, is shepherding the project through the EU despite opposition from more than a half-dozen members. Nord Stream 2 will make Germany the main hub for gas imports into Europe.

European energy companies were blocked from helping to build it because of Polish antitrust claims but are actively trying to find a way to stay involved.

European countries to Germany’s east such as Slovakia and Poland call Nord Stream 2 a political venture designed to increase Russia’s leverage. They worry about reduced income from Russian gas flows through their countries, as well as a recurrence of the 2009 natural-gas crisis, when Russia restricted gas flows in a dispute with Ukraine over energy payments.

“It is about politics and influence,” Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite said of Nord Stream 2 at a conference in Munich last month.

The Kremlin, Gazprom and Nord Stream 2 executives say the project has nothing to do with politics. The pipeline “isn’t directed against any of our partners,” Mr. Putin said at a meeting on March 22 with the leadership of German chemical group BASF SE. He said rising consumption and falling production in Europe made it an “absolutely natural project” and that the pipeline is of “a purely commercial nature.”

While EU members are debating, Russia is developing: 600 kilometers of pipes, around a quarter of the total needed for the project, have been delivered to ports in the Baltic Sea region, and 5 kilometers more are sent every day. The project’s onshore component in Russia is under construction.

Building Nord Stream 2 would hand Mr. Putin an important victory in demonstrating the limits of Western efforts to restrain him economically. Despite U.S. sanctions that pushed Russia into a recession, Mr. Putin and Russian companies allied with him have secured funding for an enormous natural-gas project in the Arctic and sent oil-production levels to post-Soviet records.

The EU has in recent years managed to curb the power of Gazprom to dictate gas prices. New regulations and pipelines allowed neighbors to share gas, and countries built plants to allow imports of liquefied natural gas. Gazprom has offered to change the way it does business in response to an EU antitrust case against the company. Europe is looking to the U.S., Australia and Africa for future gas imports.

Still, Russia has cemented its grip on supplies to Europe anyway, largely through cheap pricing and readily available supplies. Last year, Gazprom said it exported record amounts of gas to the EU, accounting for more than one-third of imports.

Even EU members who don’t rely on Russia for gas are unnerved, including Sweden. Leaders of this northern European nation of some 9.5 million say Russia’s moves to control Europe’s gas supplies coincide with Mr. Putin’s aggressive military moves in the Baltic Sea. Russia will hold large-scale military exercises near the Baltic states in September, which will take place at the same time as military drills by Western forces in Sweden. Russia is building up military forces in the Kaliningrad exclave and has increased conventional and cyber espionage, Swedish officials say.

In response, Sweden is sending a battle group of 300 troops, including a mechanized infantry and a tank company, to the Baltic Sea island of Gotland. Sweden isn’t a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, but it is stepping up coordination with the military alliance.

The pipeline became a divisive issue in Sweden when a subcontractor of Nord Stream 2 AG, which is wholly owned by Gazprom, had wanted to use two Swedish ports: one on Gotland and the other in Karlshamn. The defense ministry raised security concerns, and Gotland rejected the proposal.

Swedish Defense Minister Peter Hultqvist said in an interview that the government wanted legislative changes that would give central authorities power to decide on matters concerning national security at major infrastructure sites.

“We are against Nord Stream 2,” said Mr. Hultqvist, calling it “a problem from a European perspective.”

Karlshamn, a 350-year-old port town of some 20,000 people, was gripped by debate. Allowing pipes to be stored in its harbor would bring around $10 million in revenues and 30 jobs, but it would also lend a hand to Russia.

“For me, what is obviously not good for Sweden and the EU cannot in the same sentence be good for Karlshamn,” said Magnus Gärdebring, leader of the local opposition.

Mr. Mattsson, the mayor who supported the project, argued Karlshamn already services ships with Russian crews and stores Russian crude oil, so why reject the pipeline? His office received heated emails accusing him of being a Russian stooge, an aide said.

“If we have to stop business like this, do we have to stop all business that has to do with Russians?” Mr. Mattsson said. “We can’t decide for Sweden and the European Union.”

Write to James Marson at james.marson@wsj.com

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52 Comments on "Putin Exploits Europe’s Divisions in Bid to Dominate Gas Supply"

shortonoil on Sat, 1st Apr 2017 7:54 pm

RUSSIA: one of the largest storehouses of useable hydrocarbons remaining on the planet! In a couple of years the EU will be begging the Russians to increase their pipe laying rate. A storehouse, for which Europe will very soon need desperately to survive. EU policy hasn’t emanated from the sharpest tack in the box lately. Their immigration policies are testament to that!

Anonymouse on Sat, 1st Apr 2017 8:53 pm

The Wall st urinal, aka fake ‘news’.

dissident on Sat, 1st Apr 2017 9:48 pm

To war, to war! We’ll be back by Christmas.

Drivel agitprop. The EU-tards want to force Russia to ship its gas via Banderastan (formerly known as Ukraine) and be subject to routine extortion by the Kiev regime. Russia has every right to bypass Banderastan.

The EU-tards better cool down, since by 2019 Russia will given them the middle finger and send the gas it currently ships via Banderastan to China once the new pipeline is completed. I’d like to see these haters replace the Russian supply.

And this Putin, Putin, Putin BS. It is all about messing up Russia and its people. EU-tards think they can pull off what Napoleon and Hitler couldn’t.

rockman on Sat, 1st Apr 2017 10:41 pm

Thwart Europe’s dependency on Russian NG??? A little late to worry about that now:

“The largest importers of Russian gas in the European Union are Germany and Italy, accounting together for almost half of the EU gas imports from Russia. Other larger Russian gas importers (over 5 billion cubic meter per year) in the European Union are France, Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland, Austria and Slovakia. The largest non-EU importers of Russian natural gas are Ukraine, Turkey and Belarus.”

Sweden can afford to hinder the EU importers of Russian NG. Even though Swedish NG consumption has increased almost 70% in just the last 6 years and has virtually no domestic reserves they also don’t import Russian NG: they get 100% from Denmark. So unlike other EU countries (some of which depend 100% on Russian NG imports) the Swedish people don’t give a f*ck about the Ukraine destabilizing NG imports.

q on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 4:13 am

Solution is easy: Find lots of gas in EU countries. Or steal it in Russia as NATO warmongers are hoping. There is only one slight problem, unlike Saddam Hussein Russia really has weapons of mass destruction.

Anonymouse on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 4:35 am

Russia could defeat amerika’s fat, inept weekend warriors, w/o having to resort to such extremes. Germany couldn’t, and the they had better troops, generals, and technology than the uS did, and they still couldn’t win. The only way the uS could ‘win'(lose), v Russia, is nukes.

Valid point, all the same.

Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 5:32 am

Poor Wall Street Journal, corner stone of the US empire, hates to see that the US can’t block North Stream, vastly increasing German-Russian co-dependency, which is what every hard core European loves to see happening.

Having said that, if I were a Bulgarian I would spit on the hypocrisy of this Merkel monster as well as the EU, that caved in to US orders that South Stream, a pipeline connecting Russia and Bulgaria, was to be blocked. Interestingly the pipeline is now going to be built anyway and will land in Turkey only a few miles from the Bulgarian border. If geopolitical circumstances change, it will be very easy to construct a new leg of a few miles and connect Russia to Eastern Europe any way and avoid Turkey compeltely:

http://tinyurl.com/m8khlda

But Germany has much more clout and Ukraine more than once blocked/tapped the existing pipeline through Ukraine, giving Germany enough arguments to let North Stream 2.0 happen.

Funny to hear the WSJ foam about “aggressive Russian naval maneuvers in the Baltic”, nota bene bordering Petersburg, while at the same time the US navy navigates the Black Sea, 8000 km from home, near the Russian shore. As we remember, the US spends 9 times as much as Russia on military, the EU four times as much, making any notion of a perceived “Russian threat” a joke.

Won’t be necessary to “beg”. There is a co-dependency here, as Russia wants to be part of the European world, provided it can be a member on an equal footing and not as a Western vassal. Thanks to foolish neocon behavior, Russia was driven into the arms of China, where it doesn’t really want to be as it fears the seemingly unstoppable rise of the Dragon.

EU-tards think they can pull off what Napoleon and Hitler couldn’t.

Germany couldn’t, and the they had better troops, generals, and technology than the uS did, and they still couldn’t win.

Perhaps some US-tards (or wherever dissident comes from) don’t understand history not well. Napoleon did in fact make it to Moscow and spend the Winter there. But the Russians couldn’t be won for “French revolutionary values” Liberté, égalité, fraternité (words, words, words) and set their own city on fire, causing the French to retreat. Nevertheless, Anglos love to joke about the perceived French military incompetence, the French did overrun most of Europe before they began their Russian campaign:

http://tinyurl.com/maw5s95

Oh and the French did actually conquer Vietnam and the rest on Indo-China for several decades, where Americans failed majestically to even conquer North-Vietnam:

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/seasia/indochina1930large.gif

Regarding the German campaign in Russia: the Germans where ill-prepared to invade Russia… because they never wanted to invade Russia to begin with. The reason why they did anyway was because German intelligence detected that secretly Russia was in a state of full mobilization and would have attacked Germany anyway a few weeks later. That was the dirty secret behind the desperate flight of Rudolf Hess to Scotland, to at least make peace with the British. But Churchill wasn’t interested; he had decided upon the destruction of Germany, together with Stalin and Roosevelt during the thirties. Don’t believe me, here a Soviet defector spilling the beans in front of an American audience:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbBnRZoTHFs

So unlike other EU countries (some of which depend 100% on Russian NG imports) the Swedish people don’t give a f*ck about the Ukraine destabilizing NG imports.

F* Sweden. Sweden is even more leftist, feminist, communist and NWO than New England and Canada combined.lol They hate everybody with a strong sense of national identity, like the post-communist Russians.

Here Swedish cabinet ministers openly mocking Trump:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/03/sweden-criticises-us-climate-stance-as-it-reveals-ambitious-carbon-emissions-law
And here the very same Swedish women creeping for Muslims in Iran:
https://www.unwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/women-Swedish.jpg

rockman on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 7:46 am

Cloggie – In a decade or so Sweden may be in for a bit of a shock if they don’t get the alt energy act together. Which doesn’t appear to be happening yet given their huge increase in NG consumption in just the last 8 years.

As pointed out Sweden’s NG future will be a function of Denmark’s NG future since it imports all of its NG from the Danes. And Danish NG reserves aren’t much to brag about: current production would deplete their reserves in just 10 years…or less. The Swedes might be begging for Russian NG by 2027. Today Denmark is “energy independent” but eventually the Danes will be faced with a choice of continuing to supply the Swedes or preserve its resources for domestic consumption. Maybe you know some Danes: what do you think they’ll choose?

“Denmark is not a major holder of proved natural gas reserves. Additionally, they are not currently a major producer or consumer of natural gas. However, they are a noteworthy country in terms of natural gas due to the fact that they are a natural gas exporter.

As of 2014, Denmark only held 35 bcm of proved natural gas reserves. Denmark’s fields in the North Sea are mainly responsible for the country’s proved natural gas reserves and have allowed them to become a natural gas producer. Denmark’s natural gas production was only 4.6 bcm in 2014. Denmark is self-sufficient in regards to natural gas as evidenced by their consumption level of 3.2 bcm in 2014.

Denmark also is a net exporter of natural gas. The country currently exports natural gas through pipeline trade. In 2014, Denmark exported 2.1 bcm of pipeline natural gas to other European countries.”

Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 9:26 am

Rockman says In a decade or so Sweden may be in for a bit of a shock if they don’t get the alt energy act together. Which doesn’t appear to be happening yet given their huge increase in NG consumption in just the last 8 years.

Oh but the Swedes have already their alt-energy act together, as 60% comes from renewable sources, mainly hydro:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_renewable_sources

If you look at overall alt-energy, Sweden is now at 50%, which is extremely good:

https://sweden.se/society/energy-use-in-sweden/

Sweden is a big sparsely populated country with a lot of wood. Sweden seems to me heading in the right direction. Well, as far as renewable energy is concerned.

Could not find any data concerning natural gas consumption increase, other than a 9% decrease in 2015:

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Natural_gas_consumption_statistics

Perhaps they swapped coal for natural gas?

Sweden has a low carbon footprint:

ton/capita

Sweden: 4.2
EU: 6.9
USA: 16.1

Oil share total energy bill declined from 75% in 1970 to 20% today.

Wind is the fastest growing energy source (3100 turbines to date).

Sweden is doing excellent. They will be one of the first to be carbon free.

dissident on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 10:28 am

@Cloggie

Rockman’s point stands. Swedish Russophobes don’t get to speak for the EU. They are the ones sowing the division and not Russia. All this yapping at Russia is a pathetic attempt to divert attention of their sheeple away from the massive migrant crime problems they have and the PC repression being cemented in their laws.

Putin should stop bending over to please EU-tards like Sweden. They will never be reasonable and fair. It is 100% hate, 100% of the time.

By the way, Sweden will get a natural gas price shock if Nord Stream II is sabotaged effectively. The missing supply would be about 18% of the EU’s imports. There is no slack in the system and LNG would be required, which is much more expensive than Russian piped gas. This will put a large price pressure on the EU market.

Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 11:08 am

Swedish Russophobes don’t get to speak for the EU. They are the ones sowing the division and not Russia. All this yapping at Russia is a pathetic attempt to divert attention of their sheeple away from the massive migrant crime problems they have and the PC repression being cemented in their laws.

I fully agree with your resistance against Russophobia. But Sweden does not plays a significant role in geopolitical matters. The country is run by women, which means they destroy it.

Sweden will get a natural gas price shock if Nord Stream II is sabotaged effectively.

Why? Nordstream is between Russia and Germany. Has nothing to do with Sweden.

rockman on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 11:35 am

Cloggie – “Could not find any data concerning natural gas consumption increase, other than a 9% decrease in 2015.”

Prior to 1984 Sweden consumed virtually no NG. By 1993 it increased to around 30 bcf/year. Probably switching from coal to NG. And then jumping to around 57 bcf/year by 2010. And then falling to 37 bcf/year by 2013 by last data from link:

http://www.indexmundi.com/energy/?country=se&product=gas&graph=consumption

Found this:

“Few countries consume more energy per capita than Sweden, yet Swedish carbon emissions are low compared with those of other countries. According to the latest statistics from the International Energy Agency (IEA), the average Swede releases 4.25 tonnes of carbon dioxide (CO₂) per year into the atmosphere, compared with the EU average of 6.91 tonnes and the US average of 16.15 tonnes. Sweden has found a way to reduce emissions while the economy is growing.

The reason for this low emission rate is that 83 per cent of electricity production in Sweden comes from nuclear and hydroelectric power. Cogeneration from combined heat and power (CHP) plants accounts for 10 per cent of the electricity output in Sweden, and these are mainly powered by biofuels. About 7 per cent of the electricity comes from wind power.”

https://sweden.se/society/energy-use-in-sweden/

Which is all good for Sweden. But given it began commissioning LNG import terminals a couple of years ago they would appear to be anticipating significant future NG consumption while losing pipeline imports from Denmark.

And about that NG consumption decrease after the 2010 NG peak: Swedish coal consumption increased 22% in 2011 and has remained above the average consumption from 2005-10.

https://www.indexmundi.com/energy/?country=se&product=coal&graph=consumption

Apparently as NG prices increased for NG while coal prices decreased significantly the Swedes chose saving money over saving the planet. Not very “socially responsible” of them, eh? LOL.

Boat on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 3:34 pm

Clog,

Can you put this migrant crime perspective. Like crime rates for the last 10 years compared to the last 3.

Boat on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 3:40 pm

Looks to me the Swedes are more responsible with CO2 emissions than most countries. WTG ancestors.

Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 4:31 pm

Can you put this migrant crime perspective. Like crime rates for the last 10 years compared to the last 3.

Crime rates are of secondary importance. Of primary importance is identity. That’s the stuff that decides over civil wars.

Want to know about the next big war in the Middle East?

https://southfront.org/iraqi-kurdistan-to-hold-referendum-on-independence-from-iraq/

“IRAQI KURDISTAN TO HOLD REFERENDUM ON INDEPENDENCE FROM IRAQ”

The Kurds have exploited the Syrian civil war and gained a lot of independent territory in Norther Syria. They are also expanding in Norther Iraq at the cost of IS. Obviously the intention is to combine these territories in a single state. And then the real “fun” begins. Obviously every Kurd should be “Heim ins Reich” as the Germans of the thirties used to put it. The largest chunk of Kurds are situated in Eastern Turkey. And then there is Iran:

http://tinyurl.com/movvtlh

If that time bomb goes off, nobody will be interested in Kurdish crime rates.

The potential for a real slaughter is immense. Such is the power of identity. Ethnicities can remain dormant for many decades if not centuries and all of a sudden awaken.

Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 6:05 pm

According to Russia-Insider, the US and its Kurdish allies are blocking Assad’s army to advance towards the IS capital Raqqa:

http://russia-insider.com/en/prepare-partition-us-forces-block-syrian-armys-advance-raqqa/ri19344

If this is true and the US is indeed supporting the Kurds to take Raqqa, somebody is really going to be pissed off: Erdogan.

Originally Turkey supported the “Syrian” rebels in the expectation of a Sunny takeover of Syria. Instead Assad is likely not to fall at all but instead the Kurds are getting rapidly more powerful.

The US are now effectively operating against the interests of their Turkish NATO ally.

rockman on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 6:34 pm

Cloggie – Maybe it’s the Alamo memories and the Texican fight for independence from Mexico but in general folks in these here parts have some sympathy for the Kurds. That and we admire women that can handle firearms. LOL.

Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 6:46 pm

Interesting factoid:

https://www.rt.com/business/382934-russia-nord-stream2-eu/

When Nord Stream’s capacity is doubled to 110 billion cubic meters a year, it will cover Germany’s and France’s combined annual consumption of gas.

Maybe it’s the Alamo memories and the Texican fight for independence from Mexico but in general folks in these here parts have some sympathy for the Kurds. That and we admire women that can handle firearms. LOL.

The Kurds don’t take the Koran too seriously. They seem to be still more interested in Marx:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-marxist-allies-against-isis-1437747949

It is not difficult to feel sympathy for woman you can actually see 😉

Boat on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 8:23 pm

Clog,

The US does not like anybody attacking the Kurds and will support their interests in Syria and Iraq if and when peace agreements are made. What form or shape of land areas is anybody’s guess. Turkey could easily be dropped from NATO.
Iran? They are going to have problems with Isreal and the US if a large force is anywhere near the border of Israel.

rockman on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 10:11 pm

Cloggie – “The Kurds don’t take the Koran too seriously.” And despite being Christians the Texans don’t take the bible as seriously as the pretend. Especially that “thou shalt not kill” part. LOL.

And we didn’t care much for those Russian commies claiming half of Berlin. But did have a soft spot for all those female Russian snipers that capped so many of the Third Reich. A woman that can print a tight group at 500 m is soooooo hot. LOL.

GregT on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 10:19 pm

Boat,

“The US does not like anybody attacking the Kurds”

Define “The US”.

joe on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 10:26 pm

Cloggie, its the Potomac two step, you need to learn your history. Raqqa is not some place on a map, its the biggest oil hub in Syria, Palmyra wasnt about stupid ruins, its the biggest electrical interconnector in Syria, Dier Ezzor is the biggest oil hub in Southern Syria, Mosul and Aleppo would be two pillars on either side of the controling the access of the last remaining big oil country (Iraq) to its market, Europe. Erdogan and Clinton worked together to set it up, Israel would get security, Turkey would get rich by controling IS access to market, the kurds would be politically weak.
What messed it up was muslims! Their barbaism and violent intolerance and genocide made the whole project so unpalatable to western values (yeah I know) that IS became political poison. Somthing has to be done when people declare the values of the future state will involve crucifixion and a return to slavery! In this case then the Syrian war became a side show once IS were no longer viable partners, thats why the US allowed Russia to put Syria back together and switched sides to the Kurds, at that point its become a game of political and physical survival for Erdogan, who probobly was aware of coup plotters and probobly used assets he had amoung them to prematurely attempt the coup before it could succeed and he knows the US doesnt want him there anymore, hes just lucky hes not a US ambassador otherwise he would be dead.

Boat on Sun, 2nd Apr 2017 11:48 pm

greggiet,

I stand corrected. Who knows what Trump thinks.

Anonymouse on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 1:27 am

Or you for that matter retard, or if you are even capable of what we commonly refer to as’thought’

Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 2:08 am

Yeah, Americans and Soviets are great colonizers. The trouble with these folks is that their egalitarian ideologies have a tendency to blow up their home base, so sad. But you have to congratulate the Americans, Soviets, French, British, Polish, Canadians, Norwegians, Dutch, Belgians, Yugoslavs, Greeks, to name just the white ones, with their grandiose victory over German nationalists. What is especially touching is the enormous concerns the Soviets and Americans had with Human Rights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piBtBsAQJJ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1tf8lv_yak

With tears in their noble eyes they organized the Just Trial so the world could witness what a monsters the Germans had been in their fight against becoming an American and Soviet colony.

And also thank you very much for noticing that the evil Germans had gassed six million Jews, otherwise perhaps nobody had noticed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Ae8T0FmFg
(Here the new master of Europe injecting the holotale before the victors trial had even began)

And how right the Alllies had been to intervene and restore humanitarian values, freedom and apple pie. And just to be on the safe side, colonized the rest of Europe as well and western Europe until today. And how wonderful it is that the population of western Europe is gradually being replaced by wonderful Muslims on orders of the US deep state. Again thank you very much for showing us that there is value in committing demographic suicide as you give the good example yourself. Where would we be without the Anglos, I am asking you?

Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 2:49 am

Cloggie, its the Potomac two step, you need to learn your history.

There is absolutely nothing you can teach me on history.

What messed it up was muslims!

Not to mention the Russians.ROFL But hey, the Allies got ample opportunity to learn from Iraq and Afghanistan… but didn’t.

But at least you are honest in admitting that the West sought to exploit jihadists to overthrow a regime that was not yet a meek member of the US empire. And your concern with Israel is touching as well, but predictable. After all, isn’t the #1 purpose in the life of an Anglo to bring these people to victory on a global scale, even at the cost of wiping out Anglo society itself and the rest of Europe? Joey boy has no problem in sacrificing his capital for uncle George Soros. Touching, this servility. No wonder you spell you name with a lower case “j”.

thats why the US allowed Russia to put Syria back together and switched sides to the Kurds

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

You are priceless, joey boy, you honestly are, even more than Boat and that says something:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-02/theyre-hopping-mad-us-and-saudi-arabia-russian-strikes-syria-spark-epic-western-medi

What the US likes about the Kurds is that the latter prevent Iraq from completely becoming an Iranian client state, after the US was so kind to remove a solid Sunny dictator, in the hope to be able to introduce demockressy, wimmin’s rights as well as gay parade’s in downtown Baghdad; an undertaking that somewhat failed and instead turned a pretty well-organized secular socialist dictatorship into a 7th century nightmare. And Iran saw that it was good, now that a Shia Crescent…

http://imgur.com/3eD8Ubp

…had been formed from Tehran all the way to the Mediterranean and the first thing the folks in the Iranian capital did was planning a pipeline to lucrative European markets:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq-Syria_pipeline

And then, out of the blue, the “Syrian” Civil War began (with at least 50% foreign fighters).

And the out of the blue, when it seemed that the rebels could win, an alternative Sunny pipeline was planned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar%E2%80%93Turkey_pipeline

And this was something that uncle Vlad didn’t like too much. He btw can perfectly live with a situation that neither pipeline from the Gulf will make it to Europe, as he is happy to service European markets all by himself with North Stream and South Stream (make that Turk Stream) pipelines.

Now that Putin has ensured that Assad will survive at least in the Western part of the country, he can live very well with a destabilized situation. He can now lean back and watch how the Middle East blows itself up further, especially around the coming Turkish-Kurdish standoff and watch how Erdogan retreats from the West, threatening fossil fuel supply from the ME to Europe. Fortunately Russia is capable and willing to supply Europe, much to the chagrin of the Americans, who had organized the turmoil in Kiev in 2014, precisely to drive a wedge between the Europeans and Russians and escalate the conflict in Donbass, preferably to a European-wide war. But that failed. And now we have an anti-establishment president in the US who has no clear picture of what to do in both the Middle East or in the Ukraine, probably because he has to pay full attention to survive as a president in the first place in snake pit Washington.

Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 3:13 am

Boat,
“The US does not like anybody attacking the Kurds”
Define “The US”.

You haven’t been paying attention Greg, now have you?

Boat has patiently explained to you over and over again that the US is a monolith Force for the Good in this world, a benevolent hegemon, consisting of people who wave Confederate flags all day:

http://tinyurl.com/k2j8ggu
(the people ruling the US, according to Boat)

The very same people who, in Boat’s words, “hand over somebody else his ass” in case this somebody resists the benevolent hegemony.

Try to keep this in mind, Greg.

Theedrich on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 3:52 am

Politics has paralyzed the U.S. While global tech and weaponry advance with lightening speed, both the Demonics and the Repubs fight the last war and imagine that BAU is eternal. The “hacked by Putin” narrative is the only thing the Never-Trumpers can think of, while the rest of the Left is doing its best to shut down free speech. Ominous signals from every direction warn of collapse by war, electronics or parasitic mudslide, but the MSM ignores them.

This is the same path followed by the late western Roman Empire. The necessary measures were too painful to contemplate, and vicious power politics at the top levels finally led to Romulus Augustulus as the terminus. Maybe what is waiting in our wings is a feckless Columbus Washingtonulus to put a period to the American sentence in history.

Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 3:55 am

Trump changed his mind about the EU and backed down.

In previous months Trump had cheered Brexit and predicted that other EU member states would secede as well, no doubt under the influence of his buddy Farage. This caused so much anger with EU chef Juncker that the latter threatened last week that if Trump would not be more supportive of a consistent post-Brexit EU, Juncker would begin to advocate the secession of Ohio, Texas and others:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32z8jJxm6lc

Apparently Trump backed down and praised the work of the EU:

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump-lobt-zusammenruecken-der-eu-nach-brexit-referendum-a-1141568.html

And peace returned to the Great White World.

Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 4:39 am

South Stream far from dead:

http://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/eu-gazprom-deal-clears-bulgaria-of-south-stream-cancellation-claims/

In what appears to be a huge deal reached behind closed doors, the Commission agreed with the Russian gas export monopoly to remove restrictions for EU countries from Southern and Eastern Europe to re-sell Russian gas across borders… Bulgaria seems to regret having lost the South Stream project and the income from the transit fees. Russia keeps floating the idea of a “second pipe” reaching the Bulgarian Black Sea shore, but nothing has been decided yet… EURACTIV.com asked the Competition Commissioner Margrethe Vestager if the decision to clear Bulgaria from cancellation claims could be interpreted to mean that the Commission is giving approval to a new version of the project.

“That’s another issue,” Vestager replied, adding that the agreement was not about the future of South Stream.

So this Vestager EU type refuses to rule out a revival of South Stream.

Here are the South Stream pipes stored in the Bulgarian harbor of Burgas:

http://tinyurl.com/mpon485

EURACTIV asked what was going to happen to the pipes destined for the offshore section of South Stream, which are stored in the Bulgarian ports of Burgas and Varna… The proposal doesn’t deal with the ownership of the pipes, according to the expert.

Turkey is moving away from the EU and the West to follow the example of Iran and become a conservative Islamic state.

Once that is clear for all to see, the South Stream pipeline is going to be build after all. The pipes are patiently waiting in Bulgaria for the coming geopolitical changes to happen.

Davy on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 5:25 am

“Yeah, Americans and Soviets are great colonizers.”
Please Clog, Europe colonized the world and planted the seeds of its death. WTF, how are you proud of that? We are going to see a wonderful planet die because of the European white man.

Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 6:03 am

Please Clog, Europe colonized the world and planted the seeds of its death.

How is turning pathetic stone age cannibals into folks who can read and write and eat with fork and knife “planting the seeds of death”?

WTF, how are you proud of that? We are going to see a wonderful planet die because of the European white man.

Perhaps, but first we are going to decolonize Europe, just for the sport of it.

Davy on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 6:32 am

Ha ha, “stone age cannibals??? How about all those languages that have gone extinct. How about all the art and culture looted by the Euro-bandits? Please, nothing was sacred with the Euros. They were an invasive and destructive culture that cultural mentality is now reflected in the destructiveness of globalism.

Davy on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 6:34 am

“Perhaps, but first we are going to decolonize Europe, just for the sport of it.”

Euro’s are famously bad about reaching decisions so you better get with it. You are being overrun as you guys dither around.

Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 7:17 am

How about all the art and culture looted by the Euro-bandits? How about all those languages that have gone extinct.

Art and culture looted? Languages went extinct? From Africa? Like what? Perhaps a few Egyptian artifacts, respectfully stored in museums in Paris and London, for the whole world to see, but that’s about it.

They were an invasive and destructive culture that cultural mentality is now reflected in the destructiveness of globalism.

So explain to me why most Africans are sitting on their coffers to head to Europe if they are so proud of their own culture. They aren’t. They have no clue where to being with their own “culture”.

There was nothing to loot from Africa, other than resources, for which Africans themselves had no use, had no clue of what to do with it.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1713275,00.html

Btw the Europeans never used Africans as slaves, much in contrast to the Americans. So don’t play the great protector of poor Africans against evil Europeans. The Africans were much better off with the Europeans around, certainly in the last century of colonialism, who brought them infrastructure, health care and education. Europe gives substantial more to Africa than Americans, who prefer to build on their global empire, not even you believe in anymore.

The real looters were the Americans and Soviets, who took everything they could lay their hands on from Germany, including scientist, after they both raped every woman.

The Americans even looted the gold from dirt poor Ukraine in 2014.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570062/Ukraine-government-looks-missing-20billion-gold-dries-secret-papers-fleeing-president-threw-water.html

Just like these US kosher oligarchs looted everything from Russia after 1991, until Vladimir the Great kicked these kosher butts out of the country.

Euro’s are famously bad about reaching decisions so you better get with it. You are being overrun as you guys dither around.

Really? We ruled the world until these kosher run colonies USA and USSR came along. We are not nearly as overrun as you guys are. Europe is still more than 90% white and stiff resistance is developing against further dispossession. Even Kunstler thinks the Europeans are going to throw the Muslims out. In America in contrast it is something like 60-40. And what is worse, there is a group in the US lording over you, who are determined to use these 40% + white commies as a weapon against you. We in Europe are your last hope to keep you from the Gulag after Trump. Better keep that in mind.

Davy on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 7:30 am

You are off the deep end in makatiland clog:

Clog btw US = Europe. You made us

Euros perfected slavery, looted new world with it, and traded slaves. The only reason it fell out of use is industrialization. Besides your whole Euro culture is a culture of slaves. Today it is techno slaves. In earlier times it was about war and conquest.

Screw Euro praise and the horse it rode in on. Dead on arrival on all counts. The world is dying clog and you are part of it in your comfy Dutch clogs

What about all that new world gold you hauled off? The list is expansive for your culturally criminal looting.

You are one Jew obsessed MF. Get over it clog. This is the 21st century.

Zero defense of the US or Soviets. But I am sure the hell not going to listen to your Makati style praise of a rotten Apple Euroland as-is now and has been.

Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 7:30 am

Hopla, IS/CIA/Mossad strikes in Petersburg, while Putin visits the town:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4375518/Explosion-metro-St-Petersburg.html

Clear revenge for Russia acting in Syria.

Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 7:35 am

“Europe collapsing”

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/eurozone-niedrigste-arbeitslosenquote-seit-2009-a-1141633.html

Lowest EU unemployment since 2009: 9.5%
Germany: 3.9%

Spain and Greece highest (20%).

Employment is still way too high. Young women should be at home with their kids rather than sitting behind a computer.

Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 7:38 am

Live stream Petersburg attack:

https://www.pscp.tv/RT_com/1DXxyrRwAAYKM

joe on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 9:55 am

Go to a cafe and have a spliff cloggie man, go to sleep, brexit is not even real, England will come crawling back man…..

joe on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 10:01 am

Every radical muslim terrorist should be wiped from the face of the earth.

Apneaman on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 10:56 am

Hair Clog, “Clear revenge for Russia acting in Syria.”….. really?

Did you even read the fucking link provided?

‘WHO LAUNCHED THE ST PETERSBURG ATTACK? HOW RUSSIA HAS BEEN REPEATEDLY HIT BY TERROR’

WHO + ? means they have no solid proof at this time, but as per usual you “know”.

Conspiracy tards always jump to conclusions.

I thought you was a self proclaimed Russian expert? Long history of terrorism and disgruntled folks blowing shit up in that country.

So wadda ya gonna do if Putin announces it was an attack that had nothing to do with Syria?

How about brush it off like all your other bunk predictions and lies?

Piece of shit

Apneaman on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 11:22 am

It looks like Russia hired internet trolls to pose as pro-Trump Americans

“It’s a brand of information warfare, known as “dezinformatsiya,” that has been used by the Russians since at least the Cold War. The disinformation campaigns are only one “active measure” tool used by Russian intelligence to “sow discord among,” and within, allies perceived hostile to Russia. ”

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

Apneaman on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 11:23 am

The Agency

From a nondescript office building in St. Petersburg, Russia,
an army of well-paid “trolls” has tried to wreak havoc all
around the Internet — and in real-life American communities.

By ADRIAN CHENJUNE 2, 2015

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?_r=0

Apneaman on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 11:35 am

Putin defends climate deniers and looks forward to the Arctic melting

The Russian president also praised “opponents” of climate action.

“Russian President Vladimir Putin praised U.S. EPA head Scott Pruitt during a television interview on Thursday, then went on to say Russia stands to benefit from global warming, despite the fact the country has already seen deaths, wildfires, and anthrax outbreaks related to climate change.

“Climate change brings in more favorable conditions and improves the economic potential of this region,” Putin said told CNBC while attending the International Arctic Forum in Arkhangelsk, Russia. “Today, Russia’s GDP is the result of the economic activity of this region.””

https://thinkprogress.org/putin-thinks-russia-will-benefit-from-climate-change-and-communities-will-adjust-35a2014c28b5

No wonder all the Alt right cock biters love him so much.

Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 11:35 am

Go to a cafe and have a spliff cloggie man, go to sleep, brexit is not even real, England will come crawling back man…..

Too late, we found our way to escape from the Anglo empire:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gibraltar-michael-howard-got-to-war-with-spain-falklands-brexit-hilarious-never-going-to-happen-a7664536.html

Former Tory leader threatening Spain with war over Gibraltar.

My advise to Brussels: demand an EU naval base in Gibraltar as well as in Dover, for dual use for British and EU-Russian ships.

Interesting factoid: 94% of the people of Gibraltar were against Brexit.

Since the Falklands we know that missiles trump ships, so all Spain needs to do is to ensure it has enough hyper-sonic missiles in store to sink British ships. Although on paper the British army is stronger than the Spanish one, Spain would be playing a home match.

Iin unrelated news, Anglo empty suits from UN demands that millions from Africa should be imported to Europe:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/15/migration-deaths-europe-davos-strategy?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Let’s cut the crap. It is high time for Europe to engage in secret talks with Russia and China to end this charade and design the contours of a new multi-polar world order after Trump will have left office and the old guard will attempt to come back. An armed conflict with Britain over Gibraltar could be just the suitable initiation point. China can have Australia, although perhaps Britain would volunteer to defend it?

Apneaman on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 11:47 am

Is it socially acceptable to challenge climate denial?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/31/is-it-now-socially-acceptable-to-challenge-climate-denial

Really?

If they took all the deniers and lined them up in front of a big ditch and shot them in the fucking head, I would laugh my ass off. Is that socially acceptable?

Civilizational suicide must be acceptable. Are we all not contributing to it, every minute of our meaningless lives? Humans must want to go extinct eh? The alternative is that they are not really in control of their own behavior just like every other biological entity that ever lived. Programmed by evolution.

Apneaman on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 11:52 am

Follow the money and the trail of ‘dead Russians,’ expert urges senators

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-follow-the-money-and-the-trail-of-dead-1490889366-htmlstory.html

Ok, I’m done with that bullshit. It should be enough to piss the Putin hero worshipers and fanboys off for half the day. Clog now has reason for living another day.

dissident on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 9:01 pm

Take your American bloody hypocrite bile and shove it, Ape-dick. The US, Canada, and the rest of precious NATO remain the all time leaders in CO2 emissions and contributors to global warming. Your pathetic attempt to project this guilt onto Russia is beyond sad, it’s retarded.

At least Russia is actually deploying new nuclear power technology unlike America which spazzed out in the 1970s. What is America doing? Burning more CH4 instead of coal. Wow. What an epic contribution to fighting global warming.

And before you and other hypocrite dicks start on about solar power and wind power, Russia is developing solar power projects too.

http://www.renewableenergymagazine.com/interviews/renewable-energy-in-russia-an-interview-with-20160304

http://in.rbth.com/economics/cooperation/2016/07/15/from-russia-with-solar-energy_611877

Apneaman on Mon, 3rd Apr 2017 9:31 pm

dissident, I’m not American. Speaking of dicks, I bet you stroke yours while imagining sucking on Putin’s eh? Fuck you, fuck Putin and fuck the Russians. The USSR and Russia today are as big as a fucking cancer as anybody. The commie record of environmental rape and torture is as horrendous as any country – ever. All that energy burnt and destruction and they still had to stand in a fucking bread line. Like with all you Russian fanboys, I say – move there. Put your money where your mouth is if you love them so much. You’ll be crying like a bitch to come home in a week.

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