Once Roosevelt perpetuated Acheson’s trade embargo, the planners in Japan’s imperial military headquarters knew that oil to fuel their fleet, as well as rubber, rice and other vital reserves, would soon run out.

By the end of the year at the latest, Japan would need to capture new supply sources in the oil-rich Dutch East Indies, which the United States would surely oppose. And to protect its long exposed flank as it moved south, the Japanese Navy would have to deliver a knockout blow to U.S. naval and air power in the Pacific.

Without oil, Japan could not survive a long war. The blow would be delivered at Pearl Harbor.

Throughout the summer and autumn, the First Carrier Division of the Japanese Navy secretly practiced low-level torpedo bombing in Kagoshima Bay, which bore a resemblance to Pearl Harbor. The plans for the Pearl Harbor attack were being developed by Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku, an innovative thinker with what the historian Gordon Prange has called “a gambler’s heart.”

In September 1941, Japan’s prime minister, Prince Konoye Fumimaro, who had been urging a personal meeting with the president to reach a peace agreement, was almost assassinated by pro-war fanatics wielding ceremonial knives. Weakened by the attempt to overthrow him and losing power and influence to militarist elements, Prince Konoye’s government fell on October 16, less than two months before the attack.

That day, meeting with Harry Hopkins and his top military advisors, FDR expressed concern that the new Japanese government would be “much more anti-American” than the old. Sure enough, two days later General Tojo Hideki, leader of the militarists and the minister of war, became Japan’s prime minister.

Anticipating a move southward by the Japanese, the United States began reinforcing its air forces in the Philippines and constructing a chain of airfields from Hawaii toward Australia and the Philippines. These moves provided hard evidence to support Tojo’s arguments for war as soon as possible.

In Washington, Ambassador Nomura begged to be relieved after Tojo took over the government. He was ordered to stay on and continue to offer elaborate proposals for settling the looming crisis, proposals that Tojo knew would be rejected by the United States.
The Japanese offered to reverse their aggressive designs on Indochina and to begin to withdraw troops under two conditions: first, if peace with China was achieved without interference by the United States (in other words, on Japan’s terms) — and second, if the United States restored trade in oil and other resources.

The United States could not possibly agree to this because it would amount to an abandonment of China and its Nationalist government. For its part, the Roosevelt administration, as the price for lifting trade sanctions, continued to insist that Japan withdraw its troops from China and Indochina and reconsider its commitment to the Tripartite Pact (by which Japan would declare war if the United States joined in the European war against Germany).

In the final days before the attack on Pearl Harbor, U.S. Secretary of State Hull also proposed that in any settlement with China, the United States and Japan would agree to recognize no Chinese government other than that of the Nationalists led by Chiang Kai-shek. There was not the slightest chance that Tojo would accept these proposals.

Nomura pleaded with Tojo for more time to negotiate, but he refused, saying a settlement agreement with the United States must be signed by November 29. “After that, things are automatically going to happen.”

At a cabinet meeting on November 7, Hull warned that Japan might attack at any time. Roosevelt ordered him to keep the negotiationsgoing and to “do nothing to precipitate a crisis.”

On November 22, Admiral Yamamoto ordered the First Carrier Division at Hitokappu Bay in the Kuriles, north of Japan’s main islands, to “move out…on 26 November and proceed without being detected to the evening rendezvous point…set for 3 December. X-day will be December 8 [Japanese time].”

At a large rally in Tokyo on November 30, Prime Minister Tojo incited the crowd, claiming that the United States and Britain, in order to “satisfy their greed,” were preventing development of the “East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.”

“We must purge this…practice from East Asia with a vengeance,” Tojo said.

It was this speech that caused Roosevelt to cut short a belated Thanksgiving in Warm Springs, Georgia, and return to Washington the next day.

20 Comments on "Oil led to Pearl Harbor"

Bob Inget on Thu, 5th Dec 2013 9:48 pm 



“Roosevelt was not ready to cut off Japan’s oil lifeline for fear that such a move would be regarded as tantamount to an act of war.”

Ah yes, life then was simpler.

Nations actually needed genuine reasons to go to war. Not selling oil to Japan
was considered casus belli.

Would Iran be justified in declaring war
if another nation FORBID it from selling
it’s prime export?

How about a classic sneak cyber attack on Iran’s energy sector?
Assassinating nuclear scientists?
WW/1 began with far less.

In Yemen today literally a HUNDRED doctors and nurses were murdered in one suicide bomb, sponsored, indirectly, by the Royal Oil Family. But these are Saudis, no reason here to become alarmed.Keep moving folks nothing to see here.

Arthur on Thu, 5th Dec 2013 10:46 pm 



Few people realize that it was oil — the shortage of oil — that precipitated the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.

Exactly right. And when you realize that the economy of the US in 1941 was ten times that of Japan, it is easy to deduce that the attack was an Japanese act of desperation. And as such was foreseen and provoked by the Roosevelt government.

However, Roosevelt did not want to trigger a war with Japan.

Absolute lie by the lefties of Salon, that was exactly what he wanted.

In September 1940, Japan joined the German-Italian Axis. On October 7, 1940, one of Roosevelt’s advisors Arthur McCollum presented Roosevelt with a (secret) memorandum, showing how Roosevelt could get his desired war with Germany, via the Japanese backdoor, now that Japan was linked to Germany. Obviously, the Salon empire apologists pretend to never have heard of the most crucial document in the run up towards Pearl Harbor. The memo says:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/McCollum/index.html

at the present time the United States government stands committed to a policy of rendering every support short of war the changes rapidly increasing that the United States will become a full fledged ally of the British Empire in the very near future.

In other words, against all election promisses, stating that the US would remain neutral, in reality the communist Roosevelt government was looking for a way to join the war in Europe and attempt to add European territory to the emerging US world empire, in close cooperation with comrade Stalin and that other war monger Churchill, that latter of whom plotted for world war together with Roosevelt and Stalin even before September 1, 1939, all behind the back of PM Chamberlain, toghet with Hitler the only two halfway decent chaps in the entire drama. Central figures in that plot were the three Jews Waley Cohen, chairman of Royal Dutch Shell (who paid Churchill and wrote all the war inciting speeches that ‘Winny’ read aloud in Parliament), William Bullitt (the one responsible for the unique diplomatic recognition of that human abatoir called USSR by the US as a first act of government by Roosevelt in 1933), ambassador to Paris and Soviet ambassador to London Maisky. For all those who think that the US got accidently in planetary pole position after 1945, they should read another land mark document, this time for public consumption, just google [Time Life Henry Luce the American Century]. That article from Feb 17, 1941 (that is 10 months BEFORE Pearl Harbor) contains exactly 72 references to “war”. And it was exactly that: the US elite wanted to prepare the US public for war and empire via a war that was yet to be engineered, but every member of the elite knew it was coming. For another but similar relatively neutral perspective on what was going on in the US at the time, read the observations of the Polish ambassador to Washington, Count Potocki who describes the war fever in the US, long before PH, google [ihr.org Potocki Roosevelt campaign to incite war in Europe]

Next Salon tries to put the blame for the oil embargo on Acheson, in an attempt to keep Saint Roosevelt out of the wind, with very weak arguments (“Roosevelt on holiday”, highly unlikely, but irrelevant for the rest of the story).

the planners in Japan’s imperial military headquarters knew that oil to fuel their fleet, as well as rubber, rice and other vital reserves, would soon run out.

Obviously the Americans knew that as well and were anticipating the inevitable next move. The US had imposed impossible conditions on lifting the embargo, namely that Japan should completely withdraw from the Asian continent. What Salon ‘forgets’ to mention that Roosevelt ordered a large part of the fleet to expose itself in a very vulnerable position in PH, against the warnings of his commanders. In chess term the move was to be seen as a pawn sacrifice, that is sacrifice a minor chess piece in order to win the game (that is get into war). Meanwhile the Americans and British intercepted every possible move the Japanese made and the attack was no surprise at all. The tricky thing was how to hide that information for the commanders in PH, in casu Kimmel, who later got all the blame (he was rehabilitated posthume in the nineties).

December 6, 10:40, Roosevelt received a message from the American ambassador in London that 2 Japanese naval units, as observed by the British, had crossed the line that should trigger action as agreed upon with the British and the Dutch. This meant that the US, UK and The Netherlands were at war with Japan, even before one shot was fired. Roosevelt was now in a precarious situation (9:35). He was at war on the basis of a secret agreement, without knowledge, let alone aprovement of Congress. A huge scandal now threatened to occur, unless of course if the Japanese would fire the first shot. For this reason alone PH could not be warned. Because that would have meant big alarm and ships sailing out of the harbor.

On December 6 Roosevelt got an intercepted message on his deks meaning that war was inevitable. Advisor Harry Hopkins, who was with Roosevelt, said that it was inacceptable that the war would start with an advantage of the Japanese. Roosevelt replied that we cannot hit first. ‘We are a democracy. We are a pieaceloving nation. We have a good reputation’.LOL

Read Robert Stinnett (Day of Deceit), nota bene a Roosevelt groupie, who admirers how his hero managed to manouvre the Japanese in the attack. Interview:

youtube . com/watch?v=d2dWqoWM_k0

Pearl Harbor meant mission accomplished, exactly as prof. David Ray Griffins’ ‘9/11, The New Pearl Harbor’, a trick to get into war and nothing else.

rollin on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 12:09 am 



Yes, the dependency on oil helped kill many millions of people in WWII. Dependency on imports has led to the death of hundreds of thousands and the starvation of many, through war and blockade.
Maybe that should be a lesson to the world, stop being dependent and be afraid of those who are, they attack rather than change.

PrestonSturges on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 1:35 am 



Is this going to go into another Nazi apology thread of comments?

The Japanese signed the Axis treaty in September 1940, joining with Germany and Italy. Germany was already at war with various American allies and had started bombing London several weeks earlier to mark the start of “The Blitz.”

Signing a pact with Germany put Japan on an almost certain collision course with the US, except everyone would have guessed it would have been Germany that drew the US into declaring war on “the Axis.” Instead it was Pearl Harbor that led the US to declare war on Germany.

BillT on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 1:38 am 



And the beat goes on…

DC on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 1:48 am 



When Salon says ‘few people’ are aware, do they mean amerikans? Most educated people are aware that the US had imposed a crippling oil embargo in Japan. The idea being, it would stop Japan from trying to do what the US and the Uk had been doing for years, build an empire in the Pacific. Well, it had exactly the opposite effect, instead of preventing war, it started it. Japan now had no choice,literally, but to secure oil sources in the region. Which incidentally were all controlled by Europeans and amerikans. Asians were definitely not in charge of Asian oil!

Whether the war-criminal FDR knew this would be the outcome is an interesting question. But either way, they amerikans got the Pacific war they wanted.

Does any of this sound familiar? The US embargoed Iraqi Oil for years-and then started a war. The US embargoes Iran today,in the hopes of restricting China and other emerging powers access to oil on the open market, and hopes to start, you guessed it, another war. They started a war in Libya to destroy Chinese and Russian investments in that nation.

The more things change…

Northwest Resident on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 3:00 am 



DC writes: “Japan now had no choice,literally, but to secure oil sources in the region.”

Yeah, NO CHOICE, given their goal of raping and murdering and plundering and beheading and disembowling their regional neighbors into total submission. No choice whatsoever.

And you see, FDR was the “war criminal” because being the leader that he was, opposed to world domination by the murdering Nazis and marauding Japanese, he wanted to mobilize American sentiment to fight these twin evils. Yeah, FDR was the war criminal, got it, DC… (snark)

Keith on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 4:24 am 



Who in War is innocent? Whatever the reasons, all sides kill the innocent, the women, the children. Does anyone want to see there children killed? WW 2 was nothing special, humans did what humans do, it’s our genetic programming. The toys we use just get better at doing it. The trigger of these toys are connected to are nervous systems, which are connected to are brains. Will follow through the same way our ancestors did 100 000 years ago.
We are no more superior then they were, except, we’ve had cheap plentiful energy. There is one difference with humans today, we are very smug.

Bob Inget on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 1:28 pm 



Arthur’s dad always said “that damn Jew loving bastard Roosevelt wanted this war”
Preston Sturges’s mom always said what a great man Roosevelt was.
(as did mine to tell the truth)

I tried, and failed obviously, to point out historical similarities between the US entry in 1941 of the SECOND world war
and the so called ‘civil wars’ raging in Africa and the Middle East.

President Obama came close when he stopped short of intervening in Syria.

Leaders in Israel and Saudi Arabia are hopping mad, callin US diplomacy with Iran a ‘Munich’like event that will lead to a larger conflict.

What in future years will you tell
kids about Obama born during these tumultuous times? “as the beat goes on”

Will you tell them about Iraq’s WMD’s?
How about two major oil powers locked in a death spiral in Syria? Can you explain
Israel and Saudi Arabia double teaming Iran? (neither side being too embarrassed either) Keep in mind, I’m not for a second going off topic.

Airwicky on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 1:29 pm 



What Keith said is very true. As much as some human psyche has improved in terms of peacefulness, it can easily be torn down by a few wanting war.

Arthur on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 3:00 pm 



NWO guy and self-described China-cut-throat wannabee Preston says: “Is this going to go into another Nazi apology thread of comments?”

Yep, it is one of those threads again. And just to provoke you: I claim that once you understand the finesses of WW1+WW2, even you will realize that Herr Hitler had more decency in his little finger than Roosevelt-Churchill-Stalin combined, but that’s not really that difficult an achievement. For Westerners audio-visually ‘edumecated’ by Steven Spielberg this sounds like cursing in a church, but not for that tiny minority that actually reads books, that can all be ordered from Amazon or better reads the naughty texts on the internet.

To understand the WW2 drama here are the aims of the leaders at the time:

– Hitler: getting all German territorities that were cut off from Germany in Versailles back into Germany, in line with the wishes of the vast majority of said territories (Saar, Rheinland, Sudentenland, Memel, Austria, Danzig) , prevent Jews and their horrible communism from taking over Germany, like they had done with Russia and get Germany accepted as a normal European power, preferable in alliance with the British. Succeeded initially and failed miserably in the end.

– Chamberlain: grudgingly accept that the post-Versailles order in Europa was untenable and that Germany exists at all and resist American pressure to get entangled in a war in Europe, knowing very well that the British empire would not survive yet another major war. Failed, not in the least because of a very costly stupid unnecessary mistake Hitler made by invading former German capital Prague, when Versailles designer state Czechoslovakia collapsed, after the Sudeten-Germans abandoned Prague. This gave warmonger Churchill the upper hand against Chamberlain. The Czechs btw never fired one single bullet for their own independence and had never in history been independent anyway and always had been part of either Austria or Germany. A little bit of sensitive diplomatic manouvering would have given Prague to the Germans without embarrassing Chamberlain, simply because there was no real alternative for Prague than become part of Germany. But lack of diplomatic skills is THE major Achilles heel of the Germans, for which you need to be a real professional liar and deceiver and has everything to do with the lack of centuries old German national culture, in contrast to British and French. The Germans were terribly naive. They enjoyed their magnificent explosion of national culture between 1871 and 1914 without any bad intention other than feeling good about themselves, until they found out the hard way that they had unintentionally stepped on a lot of sensitive toes, that is British and French toes, who had run the show in Europe for centuries and now found themselves sidelined.

– Churchill: headed the war party in Britain with Vansittard, Eden and Duff Cooper, entirely funded by (mostly American) Jews like Waley Cohen, Samuel Untermeyer, Samuel Wise, Bernard Baruch, Henry Strakosh in a group that called themselves ‘The Focus’, with the explicitly aim of Churchill replacing Chamberlain as PM and bring Britain into war with Germany. Churchill essentially was a foreign agent and nobody has ever done more harm to British interests than him. It says a lot about the state of the British that they choose him as the Man of the 20th Century. Succeeded big time.

– Stalin. Just have a look at the official coat of arms of the USSR to read the intentions of that sordid empire:

http://tinyurl.com/n7cgpq7

No reference to Russia at all, these communist parvenues had no other intention than world conquest and nothing else. And to the eternal shame of the Anglos, they volonteered to make the world safe for communism, for the simple reason that the US at the top had already been taken over by the same people that enabled communism in the first place in 1917: Jewish dominated Wallstreet. Grass roots Americans did NOT support this. In overwhelming majority the ordinary Americans were pro-Hitler and against war. In the end, in his own judgment, Stalin failed and did not show up at the victory celebration parties in 1945. His aim had been to conquer Europe but was prevented from doing so, because the Germans, in an act of desperate heroism decided to attack the USSR 3 weeks before the USSR planned to launch the final attack against Europe. Had Stalin conquered Europe, he would have controlled Eurasia and with it the world.

– Roosevelt – The Americans were the only true winners of WW2. The US at the time were the largest single tax farm filled with Europeans (now it is the EU) and as such were punching way below their true potential weight. The US were a geopolitical backwater and the US elite was keen to change that and boy did they succeed alright. They managed to set Europe on fire via their paid stooge Churchill and foolish self-overestimating Polish hot heads playing the usefull idiots and afterwards divided the European loot together with comrade Stalin. They tortured the Germans into fake holocaust confessions that likely never happened. Jews were deported either into pure labor camps like the Schwitz or into the Ukraine and Russia and trapped in the USSR after Stalin took over again and as such were missing in action, until they got permission in the seventees to emigrate either to Israel or the US. Unlike the Gulags the Red Cross had access to all German camps and in 1948 they wrote a report that they had never witnessed anything special. That report was withdrawn under heavy allied political pressure. The infamous Wannsee deportation conference took place in January 1942 BECAUSE the territorial gains in the USSR of the previous summer opened up new possibilities to get rid of the European Jews here instead of Madagaskar or Palestine. If this was really the case (and I strongly suspect it is), we are going to find out for sure when finally the allied archives will open up in 2017 in Britain, but I suspect that Putin will open his archives before that date. Russian client state Iran already is post-holocaust, the rest of the world will follow soon.

Preston says: The Japanese signed the Axis treaty in September 1940, joining with Germany and Italy. Germany was already at war with various American allies and had started bombing London several weeks earlier to mark the start of “The Blitz.”

All uninformed BS. France and Britain were NOT official allies of the US, officially the US was neutral, in line with the wishes of the American population and Congress. And about ‘the Blitz’… that is another typical allied lie. On the very first day that Churchill replaced Chamberlain in office as PM on May 11, 1940, Churchill ordered the bombing of civilian targets in Germany, in casu Freiburg. It took the Germans full three months until they no longer could avoid taking counter measures and were forced to escalate a war they did not want. French leader general de Gaulle reported that he was standing in the garden of Downingstreet 10 in London, with Churchill waiving his fist against the sky shouting: “where are you, German bombers?”. Between 1940 and 1945, sixty-one German cities with a total population of 25 millions were destroyed or devastated in a bombing campaign initiated by the British government. All German towns and cities above 50,000 population were from 50% to 80% destroyed. Destruction on this scale had no other purpose than the indiscriminate mass murder of as many German people as possible quite regardless of their civilian status. It led to retaliatory bombing resulting in 60,000 British dead and 86,000 injured. The allies droppen 20 times as many bombs on Germany than the other way around. Anglo-American strategic bombers, according to official sources of the West German government in 1962, dropped 2,690,000 metric tons of bombs on Continental Europe; 1,350,000 tons were dropped on Germany within its 1937 boundaries; 180,000 tons on Austria and the Balkans; 590,000 tons on France; 370,000 tons on Italy; and 200,000 tons on miscellaneous targets such as Bohemia, Slovakia and Poland. By contrast, Germany dropped a total of 74,172 tons of bombs as well as V-1 and V-2 rockets and “buzz bombs” on Britain – five percent of what the Anglo-Saxons rained down on Germany.

Preston says: Signing a pact with Germany put Japan on an almost certain collision course with the US, except everyone would have guessed it would have been Germany that drew the US into declaring war on “the Axis.” Instead it was Pearl Harbor that led the US to declare war on Germany.

More BS. It was Germany that declared war on the US, fed up as it was with secret undeclared US warfage in the Atlantic. When was the last time that the US declared war anyway and starts a war regardless?
Since the invasion of the Mongols there has not been more barbarity in Europe than initiated by the Anglo-Soviet onslaught against Europe. Read the Canadian writer James Bacque (“Other losses”) if you can stomach that, to get a mindboggling impression about the unprecedented barbarity against a nation that merely wanted to exist but was not allowed to by it’s neighbours, a state of affairs taken advantage of by globalist Homo Sovieticus and Home Americanus. Forget about Jewish suffering, limited to less than 500,000 and mainly killed by conditions created by the allies from the air (Anne Frank was essentially killed by the Anglos, not the Germans), that simply tried to murder as many civilians as possible. Jews are amateurs compared to the Germans when it comes to suffering. 10 million Germans were killed under the most appaling conditions, driven from their homes, raped, mutilated as a result of Anglo and Soviet world domination schemes.
But all these tired old stories will evaporate soon. Yesterday I discovered that Turkey is trying to get onboard with SCO, which would mean the end of Western hegemony. The scenario that Brzezinsky feared most, namely that Eurasia is no longer going to be dominated by Anglosphere is unfolding before our eyes. Turkey is going to take over the Middle-East and will tilt the balance irreversible towards SCO and Eurasia. And Russia, that in the long term will need assistance from Europe against China, will have no interest in doing the US any favors and will open up it’s archives, in the sense as described above.

Arthur on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 3:01 pm 



To add to the last paragraph of my previous post:

http://deepresource.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/the-reversal-of-turkeys-grand-strategy/

Everything is going to change.

Arthur on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 4:10 pm 



Bob Inget/bobinget says “Arthur’s dad always said “that damn Jew loving bastard Roosevelt wanted this war”
Preston Sturges’s mom always said what a great man Roosevelt was.
(as did mine to tell the truth)”

One of the last words my dear father said to me on his deathbed was that I overestimated the Germans. Maybe I do.

My father would not recognize a Jew if he saw one. My father was very pacifist left, with crypto-USSR sympathies, where I was fanatical capitalist pro-American and in fact I had constant political quarrels with him, many of which I now regret. When he was 18 in 1944, the Germans entered his small town in the eastern Saxon part of the Netherlands and took them away for the Arbeitseinsatz in Silezia/Poland. I later managed to retrace the little castle near Oppeln, where my father resided for a couple of months with 30 other Dutchmen.

Talking about Roosevelt and the Jews… full name Franklin Delano-Roosevelt. Both family names reveal sefardic Jewish background. One of Roosevelt’s ancestors named Rossocampo, after being kicked out by the Spanish Inquisition, arrived in Holland in the 17th century, where he literally translated his name into the Dutch name Roosevelt (English Rosefield, German Rosenfeldt). He settled in the city of Haarlem, but apparently did not like the Dutch weather and moved to America in 1649, never to be heard of again. The New York Times of March 14, 1935, quotes the President as admitting himself: “In the distant past my ancestors may have been Jews.”. Sure.

Churchill similar story. His mother Jennie Jerome was from New York and Jewish, not exactly someone you would like to see ruling Britain if you care about British interests. He single-handedly destroyed the British empire, the largest in history:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/The_British_Empire.png

Britain had acquired 25% of the planet’s surface as a private little Lebensraum of their own. I gladly leave it to the reader to figure out on the map where exactly Danzig was located that convinced the British that it was necessary to declare war on Germany.

Kenz300 on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 4:31 pm 



Diversify….diversify….diversify……..

Every country needs to diversify its sources of energy and its energy types.

Locally produced energy creates local jobs, energy security and economic security.

Wind, solar wave energy, geothermal and second generation biofuels made from algae, cellulose and waste can all be produced locally and reduce the dependence on imports.

Even trash or waste can now be used to produce energy, biofuels and recycled materials for new products. Every landfill can be converted to produce energy from the waste or trash. This is an inexpensive input to the process because the trash is already being collected.

This is better than burying the trash…..

This is better than Wars for oil…………

baptised on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 6:29 pm 



Their is no such thing as WW1 or WW2. Their was a WW., part 1, part 2.

PrestonSturges on Sat, 7th Dec 2013 3:13 am 



Arthur syas:
“……Forget about Jewish suffering, limited to less than 500,000 and mainly killed by conditions created by the allies from the air (Anne Frank was essentially killed by the Anglos, not the Germans), that simply tried to murder as many civilians as possible…..”

Arthur is a Holocaust Denier? No surprise, that seems to be part of the package with the stories about mean old Roosevelt forcing Hitler into a war.

Arthur on Sat, 7th Dec 2013 8:28 am 



Until now you are not really putting up a fight against the notion, as detailed in my previous posts, that Roosevelt, via Churchill, forced Germany in WW2.

So you decide to attempt the flight forward into the ‘holocaust’.

PrestonSturges on Sat, 7th Dec 2013 4:06 pm 



Hey Arthur, what’s your favorite Holocaust Denial web site and authors? We’d all love some insights into your pathetic white supremacist beliefs.

Arthur on Sun, 8th Dec 2013 8:44 pm 



Hey Arthur, what’s your favorite Holocaust Denial web site and authors?

Preston, understanding very well that when it comes the WW2 issues, he is like a mouse, trapped in an unfurnished room, with no exits and a cat, descends into sneering, always a reliable sign that the sneerer is running out of arguments, even weak ones. But just not to spoil the party, the best sites to learn more about the holostory are youtube and inconvenienthistory.com. Great thinkers are Frenchman Robert Faurisson, Swiss Juergen Graf, even American Jews like David Cole, who had to flee into the underground after expressing his opinion and even had to change his name, until some vindictive gall outed him. To his credit, Cole until today holds the same views regarding the holocaust and did not apologize or retract.

theguardian . com/world/2013/may/03/david-stein-cole-holocaust-revisionist

A new rising revisionist star is the Brit Kollerstrom. Also instructive is the work of Caroline Sturdy Colls, who recently naively confident traveled to Treblinka in order to apply forensic science to locate the grave where 800,000 Jews were said to have been buried, in an attempt to silence the revisionists once and for all, in order to predictably find nothing, in line with what the Australian Richard Krege had already established more than a decade earlier. Mode of operation: scan the camp ground with soil penetrating radar to verify that most soil has not been touched since the last ice age. Treblinka most likely was a transit camp after all, a buffer for relocating West-European Jews into the Ukraine and Russia.

The latest state of the art revisionist thinking can be found in:
amazon . com/Extermination-Camps-Aktion-Reinhardt-Argumentation/dp/1591480353
(500p) or online for free (1500p)
scribd . com/doc/179172459/The-Extermination-Camps-of-Aktion-Reinhardt

I do not claim to know all the details about what happened to the Jews between 1942-1944, but I do know that accepting the results of the Nuremberg victors court at face value without verification is, well, unacceptable. The real truth is hiding in the allied archives and until they open up, which will happen in a few years time or earlier, if politically advantageous for notably Russia, nothing can be known for certain. And that is all I am going to say about this subject in this thread.

Although this thread is essentially about the events leading towards Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941, the official date of US war entry, where the real date of US war entry was 1933, when Hitler (January 30, 1933) and Roosevelt (March 4, 1933) came into office in their resp. countries almost simultaneously.

In the US the eight years between 1933-1941 were years of relentless beating the war drums, comparable to what the US did in that past decade vis-a-vis Iran. Timeline:

Three weeks after Roosevelt came to power, Jewish organizations officially started a trade boycott (comparable to the modern Iranian boycott), but in reality declared war on Germany, implied in this newspaper article title: “Judea declares war on Germany” (March 24, 1933):

holocaust-history . net/main/graphs/judea_declares_war_on_germany.jpg

In November 16, 1933, followed diplomatic recognition of the USSR by Roosevelt, what no civilized nation had done. From that day the US started building the future war coalition. During the days before September 1939 and December 1941 resp., the backroom dealings behind organizing the coming US-UK-USSR-French anti-German coalition, scheming to set up Germany for destruction, was done using this information channel:

Franklin Delano-Roosevelt William Bullitt Winston Churchill Ivan Maisky/Stafford Cripps Joe Stalin

Before the war started in 1939, Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin were secretly aligned in who the future allies would be and who the victim to be slaughtered and that coalition remained in place until in 1945 the two Anglo-Soviet concrete slabs fell onto Europe. After the death of crypto-communist and Stalin groupie Roosevelt, that coincided with the end of WW2, the former allies USSR and US estranged from each other.

Arthur on Mon, 9th Dec 2013 10:25 am 



Today in Libertarian Central, that is LewRockwell.com, two entries about Pearl Harbor, one old article from Pat Buchanan and a new one by Gary North. Buchanan refers to former US president Herbert Hoover, Gary North…

lewrockwell . com/2013/12/gary-north/pearl-harbor-historiography-a-lesson-in-academic-housecleaning/

…refers approvingly to the work of Robert Stinnett, who made a life work of unraveling Pearl Harbor, culminating in a book called ‘Day of Deceit’. Here a summary from 2000 by Stinnett of his own work, where my first post is based on:

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig/stinnett1.html

Here is a BBC documentary from 1989 that discusses the foreknowledge the US and UK had about the impending attack.

youtube . com/watch?v=7p1TOA99S88

Here is a presentation by the German revisionist historian Walter Post (in German) from 2009, with an Pearl Harbor interpretation predictably not very favorable for the US and incorporating every last detail there is to know about Pearl Harbor:

youtube . com/watch?v=j2ZxPJtei-Q

(lecture starting in part 10, at 04:38)

In the US, or should we say Orwell’s Oceania, any sort of Pearl Harbor revisionism is unthinkable in the official world of academia, Hollywood and media, only in the internet underground you can still say what you want. With the BBC and Britain, with one leg in the EU and the other in Anglosphere, things are a little different.

It is remarkable how *deafening* the silence here is in non-response, like with 9/11, towards the frontal revisionist attack in this comment section against the old self-serving US public myths regarding WW2 and everything connected to it, apart from our resident NWO guy and empire apologist and China-cut-throat wannabee Preston, who at least understands very well that said public myths are strongly connected with his own ‘minority’ group being allowed to punch at least three leagues above it’s real civilizational weight. Preston loves America and it’s myths, where the Euro’s remain silent as the grave.