Dr John Bates’ disclosures about the manipulation of data behind the so-called ‘Pausebuster‘ paper is the biggest scientific scandal since ‘Climategate’ in 2009 when, as Britain’s Daily Mail reported, thousands of leaked emails revealed scientists were trying to block access to data, and using a ‘trick’ to conceal embarrassing flaws in their claims about global warming.
Britain’s Mail on Sunday today revealed astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.
A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.
The report claimed that the ‘pause’ or ‘slowdown’ in global warming in the period since 1998 – revealed by UN scientists in 2013 – never existed, and that world temperatures had been rising faster than scientists expected. Launched by NOAA with a public relations fanfare, it was splashed across the world’s media, and cited repeatedly by politicians and policy makers.
But the whistleblower, Dr John Bates, a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation, has shown The Mail on Sunday irrefutable evidence that the paper was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data.
It was never subjected to NOAA’s rigorous internal evaluation process – which Dr Bates devised.
His vehement objections to the publication of the faulty data were overridden by his NOAA superiors in what he describes as a ‘blatant attempt to intensify the impact’ of what became known as the Pausebuster paper.
In an exclusive interview, Dr Bates accused the lead author of the paper, Thomas Karl, who was until last year director of the NOAA section that produces climate data – the National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI) – of ‘insisting on decisions and scientific choices that maximised warming and minimised documentation… in an effort to discredit the notion of a global warming pause, rushed so that he could time publication to influence national and international deliberations on climate policy’.
The scandal has disturbing echoes of the ‘Climategate’ affair which broke shortly before the UN climate summit in 2009, when the leak of thousands of emails between climate scientists suggested they had manipulated and hidden data. Some were British experts at the influential Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.
His disclosures are likely to stiffen President Trump’s determination to enact his pledges to reverse his predecessor’s ‘green’ policies, and to withdraw from the Paris deal – so triggering an intense political row.
As The Mail continues, whatever takes its place, said Dr Bates, “there needs to be a fundamental change to the way NOAA deals with data so that people can check and validate scientific results. I’m hoping that this will be a wake-up call to the climate science community – a signal that we have to put in place processes to make sure this kind of crap doesn’t happen again.
“I want to address the systemic problems. I don’t care whether modifications to the datasets make temperatures go up or down. But I want the observations to speak for themselves, and for that, there needs to be a new emphasis that ethical standards must be maintained.”
He said he decided to speak out after seeing reports in papers including the Washington Post and Forbes magazine claiming that scientists feared the Trump administration would fail to maintain and preserve NOAA’s climate records.
Dr Bates said: “How ironic it is that there is now this idea that Trump is going to trash climate data, when key decisions were earlier taken by someone whose responsibility it was to maintain its integrity – and failed.”
NOAA not only failed, but it effectively mounted a cover-up when challenged over its data.
After the paper was published, the US House of Representatives Science Committee launched an inquiry into its Pausebuster claims. NOAA refused to comply with subpoenas demanding internal emails from the committee chairman, the Texas Republican Lamar Smith, and falsely claimed that no one had raised concerns about the paper internally.
Last night Mr Smith thanked Dr Bates “for courageously stepping forward to tell the truth about NOAA’s senior officials playing fast and loose with the data in order to meet a politically predetermined conclusion”.
He added: “The Karl study used flawed data, was rushed to publication in an effort to support the President’s climate change agenda, and ignored NOAA’s own standards for scientific study.”
Professor Curry, now the president of the Climate Forecast Applications Network, said last night: ‘Large adjustments to the raw data, and substantial changes in successive dataset versions, imply substantial uncertainties.’
It was time, she said, that politicians and policymakers took these uncertainties on board.
aidan on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 12:28 pm
If you want to know the genuine scientific view on this take a look at the Great White Con.
Yes, the climate change issue is highly politicised, but it is not right versus left – it is angry ostriches versus reality
Go Speed Racer on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 12:59 pm
I like global warming. My heating bills are getting lower.
Everybody burn up lots of coal and gas.
Then my heating bill gets even lower.
Anonymous on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 2:41 pm
Yes, plantatard. Thats what obomber promised. He also promised all you retards flying cars, vacations on the moon, and a robot maid in every living room. Don’t you remember?
Fucking moron.
Cloggie on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 4:19 pm
Currently watching an over the top climate change catastrophe movie on the German ZDF, funny all these German talking Americans.
“The day after tomorrow”, 2004
Now I understand folks like Friday much better.
Cloggie on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 5:10 pm
Movie just ended, but not without some fine Hollywood propaganda… In North-America there is an ice age now and all Americans fled south-wards. The film ends with an American president, who with tears in his eyes, speaks on Mexican television about his remorse about attempts by some of trying to keep refugees out of America.
You can’t make this stuff up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After_Tomorrow
GregT on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 5:59 pm
“Hardly ever read do I read anything from you or other hysterics.”
Much more comforting to associate those ‘other hysterics’ with a Hollywood fantasy movie, than to actually read any of the literature presented from the global scientific community. There’s a word for that cloggie. It’s called denial, and you can’t make that stuff up either.
From your wiki link:
Paleoclimatologist and professor of earth and planetary science at Harvard University Daniel P. Schrag said, “On the one hand, I’m glad that there’s a big-budget movie about something as critical as climate change. On the other, I’m concerned that people will see these over-the-top effects and think the whole thing is a joke …
Apneaman on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 7:26 pm
Sydney heatwave: city uses more water in a day than any time in past 14 years
Sweltering weather drives demand for water to 2.215bn litres, or about 8.8bn glasses of water
https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2017/feb/06/sydney-heatwave-city-uses-more-water-in-a-day-than-any-time-in-past-14-years
Apneaman on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 7:50 pm
Clogdrool, you would need to install a second brain to even hope to understand me. On my worst day, I could run circles around you and not even break a sweat.
Isn’t it great fun to mock climate change when everyday people are getting the shit kicked out of them because of it? “Oh whats that your entire town burnt down – ha ha it’s all a hoax – I know because I have an internet connection.” Anything to push your agenda eh? Keep it up, but spare me and everyone else your moral superiority act – fucking cull.
Everyday, for 3 years running, I provide multiple, real world, real time examples of weather and fires and all the rest of the AGW consequences that are hammering people and much of it is record breaking or near record. What you got? A fucking movie review. See? like I said run circles around you old man.
Massive hurricane-force Atlantic storm to push abnormally mild air toward North Pole
“A gigantic, powerhouse winter storm is charging through the North Atlantic and promises to flood the high Arctic with abnormally mild air. Arctic temperatures have blown past previous record highs in recent months, and this surge of (relative) warmth is just the latest in a long series that has amazed scientists.
For the fourth time in just over a year, the North Pole may near the melting point in winter, a previously rare event.”
“Temperatures in Svalbard, Norway — an island located approximately midway between continental Norway and the North Pole — are forecast to be 27 to 36 Fahrenheit (15 to 20 Celsius) warmer than normal for much of the upcoming week.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/02/06/massive-hurricane-force-atlantic-storm-to-push-abnormally-mild-air-towards-north-pole/?utm_term=.d54f0aec640f
Here’s the thing dutch boy. We fucked. We did what we did and are all responsible to some degree and what’s done is done, but hell is coming and can’t be undone. Denial at this point prevents the politicians taking action to protect the humans. You know what that means? That means the humans and their little humans are going to suffer sooner and worse than if some of their tax dollars went to adaption. Far as I’m concerned that’s will be on you denier cunts. I notice you sling your mud from your nice cozy welfare state that has spent billions and billions on AGW adaption. You’re such a piece of shit you know.
Apneaman on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 8:26 pm
Storms preview ocean-rise damage to California cities, roads
“cean rise already is worsening the floods and high tides sweeping California this stormy winter, climate experts say, and this month’s damage and deaths highlight that even a state known as a global leader in fighting climate change has yet to tackle some of the hardest work of dealing with it.
The critical steps yet to come include starting to decide which low-lying cities, airports and highways, along with threatened landmarks like San Francisco’s Embarcadero, to hoist above the rising water and which to abandon—and where to start getting the many billions of dollars for those climate rescues.”
“In January, a series of powerful storms brought more than a foot of rain to parts of the San Francisco Bay, triggered record 34-foot waves off the state’s central coast, killed at least five people and prompted the evacuations of thousands around the state.”
Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-01-storms-preview-sea-rise-california-roads.html#jCp
makati1 on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 9:04 pm
Found this to be interesting…
“Renewable Lies And The Deception Of Dutch Commuters”
“Roger focuses on the railway system in the Netherlands, run by NS, which recently claimed that it operates on 100% wind power. This is of course, if you know anything about electricity generation and the grid, a preposterous claim, and that the company has the guts to make such a claim can only serve to prove how little the general public knows about the topic. Or they wouldn’t dare. Green is still so sexy in certain circles, and actual knowledge so poor, that companies like the NS feel no scruples about stretching their ‘greenness’ into absurd theater territory. I find that the electrified portion of the Dutch railway network (Nederlandse Spoorwegen, or NS) runs on grid electricity that comes dominantly from fossil fuel generation (natural gas and coal). NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction. Only a small fraction of the power delivered to its trains actually comes from wind…
First some details on the Netherlands’ electricity sector. As shown in the table below installed capacity is dominantly fossil fuel, with natural gas making up 61% of total installed capacity and coal 15%. Wind contributes 4,117MW, representing 13% of the capacity mix. (Data from ENTSO-E )”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-06/renewable-lies-and-deception-dutch-commuters
It appears that there is a lot of “wind” in the Netherlands, but it is the hot air kind. lol
Cloggie on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 10:14 pm
@makati – you have not paid attention, the topic has already been discussed earlier in this thread:
Cloggie on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 8:08 am
Cloggie on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 10:29 pm
Yeah Greg, I read the wiki articl about the movie too:
College instructor and retired NASA Office of Inspector General senior special agent Joseph Gutheinz called The Day After Tomorrow “a cheap thrill ride, which many weak-minded people will jump on and stay on for the rest of their lives” in a Space Daily editorial.”
He must be talking of Friday.lol
GregT on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 10:55 pm
Apnea is providing links to real time events cloggie. There is nothing weak minded about paying attention to reality. Ignoring, or being in denial of reality, however, is an entirely different matter.
Apneaman on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 12:00 am
Mak, all those Euroscum are lying fucks, especially the Germans and their VW scam and like the dutch their Energiewende claims are horseshit. European refinement? Thousands of years to refine their deceiving. Notice how clog can tell one lie after another, get shown up and just move on to the next one without blinking? That’s just part of his culture – Joseph Goebbels and all that.
Apneaman on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 12:12 am
Daily CO2
February 4, 2017: 406.47 ppm
February 4, 2016: 405.66 ppm
January CO2
January 2017: 406.07 ppm
January 2016: 402.64 ppm
November Temperature
Warmest November since 1880: 2015
Coolest November since 1880: 1907
Apneaman on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 12:17 am
Ugo Bardi
“David Rose popularized the concept of the “pause” in global warming in a 2012 article on the Daily Mail. There never was such a thing, but it became a highly successful meme (*), still widely cited today as proof that global warming doesn’t exist or it is nothing to be worried about. By now, the rapid rising temperatures of the past few years should have been consigned the “pause” to the oblivion it fully deserves. But a group of scientists offered to Rose the occasion to double down and to accuse them of manipulating the data.
“
http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.ca/2017/02/checkmated-on-climate-pause-mistakes.html
makati1 on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 1:32 am
Cloggie, tell me, does the truth hurt? If so, then this “fact” I posted above should give you a migraine. EVERY time you post a comment that the Netherlands is running on wind or solar, I am going to post this article. Fair warning.
makati1 on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 1:39 am
If you want to see the CO2 spread in real time go to:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/chem/surface/level/overlay=cosc/orthographic=-108.46,18.16,436
or
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/chem/surface/level/overlay=co2sc/orthographic=-108.46,18.16,436
or
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/chem/surface/level/overlay=co2sc/orthographic=-108.46,18.16,436
The last one is for sulfur dioxide the ingredient in acid rain.
Cloggie on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 2:07 am
Cloggie, tell me, does the truth hurt? If so, then this “fact” I posted above should give you a migraine.
You are probably too stupid to understand what this Dutch Rail (NS) story is about.
NS invested in new wind capacity to the tune of their own electricity consumption. For logistical reasons it is impossible/impractical to consume this electricity themselves; if they could, they would have. But the core business of NS is transporting people, not power production business.
Why did NS undertake this move? To give themselves a green image. Are they entitled to that image. YES. They are setting an example for other big enterprises to follow and as such help to speed up the transition.
Not that you and your commie nihilist butt buddy, who both got a rough deal in their lives, care about transition at all. All you want is too gleefully watch the world go under.
EVERY time you post a comment that the Netherlands is running on wind or solar, I am going to post this article. Fair warning.
I never ever said that Holland is running on wind or solar. In fact Holland is about the bottom of the barrel when it comes to renewable energy. And the reason for that is simple: Royal Dutch Shell and the #9 gas field in the world. The Danes deserve all the credit for the pioneering job and the Germans are the good second.
My folks, one of the most commercially skilled people on the planet…
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2004/11/gary-north/jews-scots-armenians-dutchmen/
…just waited for the moment that the prices for wind had come down to the level that it is now commercially attractive to seriously replace fossil with wind. And the North Sea is one of the most attractive places (shallow water and high average and persistent wind speeds) imaginable.
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/01/07/gold-mine-north-sea/
In 15 years time the Netherlands (together with Britain, Germany, Spain and Texas) will be a leading wind energy producer.
There is enough sunk investment to guarantee that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV9PykR5bHo
Cloggie on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 2:55 am
Apnea is providing links to real time events cloggie. There is nothing weak minded about paying attention to reality. Ignoring, or being in denial of reality, however, is an entirely different matter.
Greg, we have been through this before. I deny nothing. Global warming is real (1C average over 100 years), the shrinking contours of the North Pole ice sheet.
But then uncertainty kicks in. What is the cause? CO2? Natural climate variability? Is it really bad, 1-2 degree C increase?
What I do deny is the right of our resident nihilist to frame every “real time event” like flooding and forest fire as proof of climate change kicking in. That’s the hysteria I am making fun of.
We all blundered into fake peak oil stories, I’m not willing to blindly stampede into the next playground for nihilists.
Every climate scientist knows that over the past tens of thousands of years, climate has been anything but constant. I’m not too impressed with 1 mm sea level rise per year or 1-2 degree Celsius increase over 1-2 centuries. And if CO2 is the cause, well support the EU and join us in the transition. It’s good for your wallet also.
Obviously we should monitor events. We are transitioning into renewable energy for cost aspects alone. Battling major climate change (if any) is a nice side effect. And some extra CO2 in the atmosphere seems to be good for planetary vegetation, that’s nice also.
But this peak oil/climate change collapse is baloney and will be preceded by something far more sinister. Now be honest to yourself, Greg: why did you set up shop in the Canadian jungle? Not for peak oil or CC idiocy. You are correctly afraid of social collapse. Although you love to profess to be an “anti-racist”, you ran off into the woods regardless, just to be on the safe side if “races” don’t get along to well with each other “after the break”, most likely a collapse of the global financial system.
What we have witnessed over the past year with the rise of the Trump phenomena is the giant rift in US society between the globalists (“communists”) and the heartland deplorables (nationalists).
http://i37.tinypic.com/2jea15.jpghttp://i37.tinypic.com/2jea15.jpg
A country split in two is usually bad news for the geopolitical clout of said country. And the elites of the whole world know it by now. A situation that usually is a stepping stone towards breakup.
The lefties in charge in Europe correctly observe that the US under Trump is withdrawing from global leadership and that the western empire is almost dead. Trump to Euro’s: pay for your own defense. Euro’s to Trump: that’s ok.
https://www.rt.com/news/374055-france-nato-independent-defense/
The EU army is going to be realized. We have the largest economy on earth, we have Russia that is anxious to become part of Europe (and seek defense against a rising China), we have 640 million whites (US only 200 million) or even 700 million if a last-minute Brexit opt-out occurs, we have all the nukes, icbm’s, European produced fighter planes and we are not burdened by an obsolete 20th century fleet of expensive carrier sittings ducks.
Once these facts sink in, I predict that Europe could be more attractive for the deplorables after Trump leaves the building than a return to Soros-Washington.
Davy on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 3:46 am
“Apnea is providing links to real time events cloggie. There is nothing weak minded about paying attention to reality. Ignoring, or being in denial of reality, however, is an entirely different matter.”
Give me a friggen break Greg. His real time links are not without serious distortion being highly focused on an agenda of anti-Americanism of which you and makati partake glutinously. I like many of his climate change links but that does not mean they are balance. They are coming from an unbalance personality that is dedicated to tearing down without fairness that is found in reality.
DerHundistlos on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 1:18 pm
@ Planters Wart
It’s nice to see this clown’s comments are so predictable and facile that no one bothers to respond, except for myself.
Can you imagine what life might be like being stuck in a cabin with this buffoon for a long winter?
GregT on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 1:57 pm
“an agenda of anti-Americanism of which you and makati partake glutinously. ”
You and I have been down this road too many times already Davy. There’s no point in trying to get through to you. You don’t get it, and most likely never will.
The indoctrination is strong with you Davy.
Davy on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 2:01 pm
Funny I feel the same way about you. Maybe we are on to something.
Sissyfuss on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 2:23 pm
If nobody’s listening, nothing gets through.
GregT on Wed, 8th Feb 2017 11:44 am
Cloggie,
“Greg: why did you set up shop in the Canadian jungle? Not for peak oil or CC idiocy. You are correctly afraid of social collapse.”
I moved away from the city because societal collapse is inevitable due to the peaking of cheap oil, climate change, population density, and a monetary system that requires exponential growth.
Largely populated areas are not sustainable without just in time delivery systems (powered by oil), water security (dependant on climatic stability), food production (dependant on both oil and climatic stability), and a healthy functioning economy (dependant on exponential growth, climatic stability, and oil).
GregT on Wed, 8th Feb 2017 1:33 pm
cloggie 2,
“We are transitioning into renewable energy for cost aspects alone.”
Partially correct. People are transitioning to alternate electric power generation because the cheap fossil fuels that our economies rely on for exponential growth have peaked. What is making up for the shortfall has been more expensive and energy intensive to produce sources of oil.
“Battling major climate change (if any) is a nice side effect.”
Sorry cloggie, other than some pie in the sky pipe dreams of carbon sequestration, there is no known way to battle climate change. It is here, it is now, it is human caused, and it will continue to grow in magnitude and severity as time goes on. Too little too late. The science has been well understood for over a century. Past predictions are not only now demonstrable and measurable, they are occurring much more rapidly than initially thought. There were multiple feedback mechanisms that were not understood before, and the feedbacks that were understood were conveniently omitted from the intergovernmental reports botched together from the scientific studies.
“And some extra CO2 in the atmosphere seems to be good for planetary vegetation, that’s nice also.”
Not true, at all. Apnea has provided links to plenty of scientific literature that debunks this nonsense. The fact that you refuse to read any of it speaks volumes to the fact that you are in a complete state of denial.
“What we have witnessed over the past year with the rise of the Trump phenomena is the giant rift in US society between the globalists (“communists”) and the heartland deplorables (nationalists).”
What we are witnessing is a population that is finding it increasingly difficult to make ends meet, a growing divide between the haves and the have nots, and the expected finger pointing and blame on other groups of people because nobody is willing to admit that modern industrial society is not sustainable, and is on it’s way out.
Cloggie on Wed, 8th Feb 2017 2:50 pm
I moved away from the city because societal collapse is inevitable due to the peaking of cheap oil, climate change, population density, and a monetary system that requires exponential growth.
Not sure what the impact of climate change could be on a northern city like Vancouver. Calcutta perhaps.
Do you seriously claim to have insight in the future development of oil prices? We were all wrong with peak oil-2015.
Monetary system? The very same monetary system applies to every location in Canada, so that can’t be the reason.
So the only reason that would make sense to leave a big somewhat Anglo city like Vancouver is “population density”. And since XXL and sparsely populated Canada has no problems feeding itself, the only reason I can think of is that you are afraid of is “social tensions”.
But since you have a mild character and are not too deep into the latest “fashy haircut”, you have decided to bring you and your family into safety.
A rational decision. We both know the real reason, but it doesn’t fit too well in your world view, so you don’t want to talk about it. What happened to Aleppo, Donetsk and Baghdad, that happens only in barbaric Eurasia.
As a reminder, ethnic homogeneous Amsterdam experienced its worst period ever in the winter of 1944/1945, when the Germans attempted in vain to prevent the Anglo-Soviet colonizing of Europe. Even in those days there was zero tension in Amsterdam and a deep feeling of solidarity, something that gradually was lost after the war. It is likely that Vancouver will say poof during the first black swan event like a financial crash.
http://www.the-peak.ca/2015/01/racism-is-still-a-prominent-issue-in-vancouver/
“still” is good. Only incurable progressive Canadians (but I repeat myself) can say these things.
So now that you are in safety, we only need to worry about the fate of Friday, who probably doesn’t have the means to escape from Vancouver.
http://vancouversun.com/life/vancouver-is-most-asian-city-outside-asia-what-are-the-ramifications
Saying tensions among new Asian ethnic groups are to be expected, Hui said: “In a way, new immigrants bring their rivalries with them: Chinese versus Korean; Chinese versus Japanese; Chinese-plus-Korean versus Japanese; Hong Kong versus Filipino; Chinese versus Vietnamese, and so on.
Many Asians in Vancouver don’t even bother to learn English, the city is theirs anyway, so why should they?
Vancouver could also be the reason for a Chinese military presence in North-America, after the collapse of the Empire. Oh Canada, what have you done.
I have it already factored in in my Huntingtonian future identitarian world map:
https://s17.postimg.org/6wwnomfpb/worldmap.jpg
Apneaman on Wed, 8th Feb 2017 4:06 pm
Clogscum, I tried to tell you that you don’t know shit about Canada and Canadians, but you and the other alt right retards prefer your “Hongcover” bribart/zerohedge interpretation of Canada and Canadians because it’s stupid simple and confirms your deluded beliefs.
Canadians not so ‘exceptional’ when it comes to immigration and refugee views, new study finds
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/canadians-not-so-exceptional-when-it-comes-to-immigration-and-refugee-views-new-study-finds
Study Finds Canadians Aren’t As Tolerant Of Immigrants As We Like To Think
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/02/07/canada-immigrants_n_14635892.html
I already knew this because it’s not new.
Cloggie on Wed, 8th Feb 2017 4:24 pm
Friday, I couldn’t care less about Vancouver, Manilla, Shanghai, Bangkok or any other Asian shithole for that matter. I merely have to observe the behavior of Greg, who is a standard deviation smarter than a blue collar clown like you, to know what is going on in that Asian outpost. And it aint pretty. Vancouver is the weakest point in North-America.
Apneaman on Wed, 8th Feb 2017 5:37 pm
Sure clog, you couldn’t care less. Just enough to make 500 comments on Hongcouver over the last year and put up 499 links about Hongcouver housing bubble. Christ, I’d hate to see how many it would have been if you cared.