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Naomi Klein & the Let­down of the Leap Manifesto: Energy Depletion Dismissal is Just as Bad as Climate Change Denial

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Over the years I’ve had the pleasure of chatting with Naomi Klein on a few different occasions; there was that first Prairie Festival at the Land Institute in Kansas that we both happened to attend in 2010, that second Prairie Festival which she spoke at in 2011, and the opening night talk she gave at the Toronto Reference Library the day before her latest book (This Changes Everything) was released – not to mention all those other times I’ve seen her speaking in Toronto (where we both used to live for several years). And although I’ve only very briefly spoken once to Klein’s filmmaker-husband Avi Lewis (at that second Prairie Festival), there was that time in Toronto that Lewis and I stood next to each other for about half an hour and managed to say not a single word to each other. But I’ll get to that in part 2.While Lewis is known for his work hosting various television programs on MuchMusic, CityTV, CBC, and Al Jazeera English, as well as for directing a few documentaries, it is Klein that is the more well known of the two, mostly due to her books No Logo, The Shock Doctrine, and This Changes Everything. That being said, one year ago this week – and at last year’s Toronto International Film Festival (TIFF) – the Lewis-directed documentary This Changes Everything had its world-premiere, an event that coincided with the release of the Leap Manifesto.

The Leap Manifesto, which received much media coverage upon its release, is a 15-point plan for tackling the climate change dilemma we’re currently faced with, particularly in respect to Canada. However, with the Leap Manifesto’s one-year anniversary being today, and with it now appearing that there isn’t going to be some kind of Leap Manifesto Redux in association with this year’s TIFF, I’d say it’s time to declare that the Leap Manifesto was in fact a colossal letdown. To explain, I’ll start by conveying a little chat I had with a fellow attendee at the 2014 Age of Limits (AoL) conference.

I was standing around the campfire talking about peak oil and collapse with Mark Robinowitz (of the website Peak Choice), and for a reason that eludes my memory I brought up Klein’s book The Shock Doctrine – one of three books that absolutely floored me upon first reading them. Although I was singing the praises of Klein’s book, Robinowitz was having none of it, pointing out that not once did Klein mention resource shortages as the underlying issue behind any of the crises mentioned, and moreover, not once was peak oil mentioned in the book’s index. True. Very true. But –

– nope, no buts allowed was what I took from Robinowitz’s response: “Tell you what. You ask Klein about limits to growth and see what she has to say.”

I don’t think either of us took that as a literal challenge, but lo and behold, six months later I was near the front of the audience at Klein’s launch and talk for This Changes Everything, with the Q&A period soon upon us. I quickly got in the Q&A line as the talk finished, and was fortunate enough to be able to ask the third and final question of the night. Although I really wanted to query Klein about peak oil, it was an extremely polite looking crowd that night at the Toronto Public Library, resulting in me chickening out and asking her this instead:

How does what you write in your new book relate to limits to growth, if at all?

As a friend who I bumped into a few minutes later said to me, “That was you that asked that question? That was the only good question asked!” And then in hushed tones, “But Naomi’s response was awful.” Unfortunately I couldn’t have agreed more. Although I don’t remember Klein’s entire response, this gist, and which she stated word for word before some talk about windmills and solar panels and such, was “That’s why we need green growth!”

Green… growth?

Brave enough to also point out the collapse- and energy depletion-related issues we’re already facing!

Rather than conveying my personal revulsion to the notion of “green growth,” let me just relay a couple of critical quotes about this sordid affair:

This growth imperative is why conventional economists reliably approach the climate crisis by asking the question, How can we reduce emissions while maintaining robust GDP growth? The usual answer is “decoupling” – the idea that renewable energy and greater efficiencies will allow us to sever economic growth from its environmental impact. And “green growth” advocates like Thomas Friedman tell us that the process of developing new green technologies and installing green infrastructure can provide a huge economic boost, sending GDP soaring and generating the wealth needed to “make America healthier, richer, more innovative, more productive, and more secure.”

And secondly,

We’re just going, “Green jobs, green capitalism, change your light bulbs, this isn’t as scary as you think.”

And who was it, you might ask, that made those statements? That would actually be none other than Klein herself (see here and here). While I think it’s safe to say that Klein isn’t a Friedman-ite, the response Klein gave to me can certainly still give the impression that her belief is that rather than changing our light bulbs we should instead be changing what powers those light bulbs (c’mon, this isn’t as scary as you think!). Moreover, upon reading in one sitting the dozen or so articles by Klein and about the Leap Manifesto that I’d saved over the past year, I was rather startled to realize that not only does Klein readily dismiss energy depletion issues, but that her writings are rife with inconsistencies. So much so that they seem to imply not just energy depletion dismissal, but possibly even energy depletion denial.

From Klein’s apt blurb on the back cover: “The climate crisis is far too urgent to squander another decade on false solutions”

For starters, it doesn’t seem to be easy to come across mention of peak oil by Klein. Although I think he was mistaken, peak oil seems to be such a non-issue with Klein that Erik Curren of Transition Voice could actually title one of his posts “Naomi Klein Now Officially a Peak Oiler.” Nonetheless, one of those articles I’d saved did have Klein stating that

We will attempt to transcend peak oil and gas by using increasingly risky technologies to extract the last drops, turning ever larger swaths of our globe into sacrifice zones.

Too true. But in what is perhaps a more telling quote, Klein tells Rob Hopkins that

It seems to me that the premise you’re working from here is that change is going to be forced upon us by peak oil and my fear is that we have too much oil – too much unconventional fuel of various sources; not just oil but natural gas, coal.

Klein has a problem with the premise that “change is going to be forced upon us by peak oil”? Alright. But here’s her speaking about climate change during promotion of the Leap Manifesto:

So here’s the big question: What if global warming isn’t only a crisis? What if it’s the best chance we are ever going to get to build a better world? Change or be changed.

I dare say, but how is it okay to say that we will “change or be changed” by global warming, but it’s deemed questionable to act on the premise that “change is going to be forced upon us by peak oil”? Is that latter quote of Klein’s not allowable if the words “global warming” are replaced with “peak oil”?

To give Klein the benefit of the doubt, let’s suppose that her gripe with peak oil is that even if there’s roughly half of the all-time supply of oil left (to be burned up), that that’s still plenty enough to mess up the climate a whole lot more. Let me state then that I, and I’d guess most others concerned with peak oil, don’t doubt that “[t]here is enough oil in the ground to deep-fry the lot of us” (as George Monbiot put it in 2012). But just because some people (like Jeff Rubin) think that peaking oil supplies will imply a respite for CO2-induced climate change, this doesn’t mean that everybody thinks this way. That’s a bit like saying that just because cherry-picking-Guy-McPherson envisions climate-induced near term human extinction (NTHE) within a few years that all advocates for climate change-awareness and -action have gone off the deep end and we should just stick to social justice issues.

Because the fact of the matter is that change is going to be – and is already being – forced upon us by both peak oil and climate change, and that neither of them should be dismissed at the expense of the other. That being said, with the launch of the Leap Manifesto Klein said that

My crisis isn’t bigger than your crisis. They’re interconnected, they’re overlapping and we can come up with solutions that solve multiple problems at once.

Except, that is, when it comes to peak oil. For as Klein also stated to Hopkins,

In some ways I think it would be a blessing if we were in a more precarious energy situation, because it would force that change… I don’t feel that we have the luxury to wait for change to be imposed from the outside and just have to decide whether we’re going to manage it or not.

First off, only the naïve and lazy say that we should wait around for peak oil to change us, and to single out that point of view is to create a straw-man argument out of concern with energy supplies. And secondly, “I think it would be a blessing if we were in a more precarious energy situation“!? Seriously!? Either Klein is a masochist, or she obviously doesn’t understand the role that energy shortages are already imposing around the world. I’m quite sure it’s the latter, understandable when we notice Klein’s apparent lack of comprehension of the motives behind recent pushes for austerity. As Klein puts it (and which is one of the Leap Manifesto’s 15 pillars),

We declare that “austerity” – which has systematically attacked low-carbon sectors such as education and health care, while starving public transit and forcing reckless energy privatizations – is a fossilized form of thinking that has become a threat to life on Earth.

I think Klein has inadvertently made a rather astute observation here, because austerity is a “fossilized form of thinking.” That is, it’s a form of thinking that emanates from an economic system and a modern way of life made possible by copious supplies of fossilized energy sources, something that neither of those are able to give up without offing themselves in the process.

As I’ve explained at length earlier by way of Greece’s ongoing situation (see here and here), austerity is a mechanism used to try to preserve the status quo for a perpetually shrinking centre. With worldwide per capita energy supplies likely peaking soon, and the demand for energy by the billion or so people at the top increasing unabatedly, this ultimately means fewer energy supplies to go around for the other six billion or so – and in this case for the Greek who isn’t part of the upper percentile. But Klein seems to have a limited-enough grasp of energy depletion issues that she can actually say with a straight face that

the austerity being imposed on Greece… is being used as an excuse to open up all these new dirty projects. They’re talking about drilling for oil in the Aegean and Ionian seas, some of the most storied oceans in history.

Greece’s ability to import supplies of oil in order to sustain its accustomed-to industrial way of life started to falter after 2008, right when its eco­nomic problems began. Coincidence? I think not (data: EIA)

Well of course they are! What seems to have gone right over George Monbiot’s head when he wrote his article “We were wrong on peak oil. There’s enough to fry us all” back in 2012 is that the peak extraction rate of conventional oil was reached back in 2006, and it’s only the desperate scraping of the bottom of the barrel for unconventionals – fracking, tar sands, deep sea, etc. – that has kept overall levels from peaking. But unconventionals are believed to be quickly reaching their peak as well (possibly even this year), so for a myriad of reasons it’s no wonder that there’s talk of tapping Greece’s seas for a last desperate hit.

In effect, dealing with energy depletion essentially comes down to three options:

1) You start reducing the amount of energy usage by everybody across the board – rich and poor, centre and peripheries. This way there’s an equitable reduction in energy usage by all involved (if not a greater reduction by those at the top since they’re already using so much more). This is so far not happening in the slightest.

2) You triage the poor/peripheries by way of cutting back on health care, retirement benefits, welfare, schooling, etc. Since money is but a proxy for energy, by freeing up the money for all those services and activities you free up the energy that they would have utilized, which is then salvageable by those closer to the centre. This is the very least that creditors (like Germany) demand in order for further loans to be made, loans that are essentially used to pay off the interest on the previous loans as well as import some energy supplies to that stuff can be made to be sold to the creditors. Creditors (such as Germany) have no interest in causing a Greek default and having to deal with the resultant loss on their books, but they also don’t want to give debtors so many new loans that they end up angering their own voters (who essentially want that money/proxy for themselves so that they can purchase the products that peaking energy supplies still make possible). As a result, new loans are made with the effective stipulation that the borrowing nation’s poor get cut off – aka triaged, aka austerity-ized. If a nation involved in this Ponzi scheme is in need of further loans in order to make interest payments on its previous loans, but isn’t willing to play along and triage their poor for the sake of briefly propping up their (diminishing) centre, then creditors threaten to triage/austerity-ize the entire country. This is what nearly happened to Greece, resulting in its president Alexis Tsipras implementing austerity measures rather than going down in history as the guy that forced the Troika’s hand to pre-emptively triage a grossly unprepared Greece for a return to a pre-industrial way of life. (Greece’s expulsion from the Euro would have meant reversion to a highly devalued drachma and thus paltry purchasing power for imports of oil to keep the lights on and all the rest of it.)

3) You adhere to the belief and promises of 100% renewable energy and blame politicians for not implementing the right policies.

From what I can tell, Klein favours option #3, with some (somewhat token) words given to option #1. Sure, Klein can state that

a just climate response would see the US and other rich countries having less so that others could have more.

But she also states that

The fact that we’re investing so heavily in military and border control at the same time we’re cutting infrastructure – it’s a choice about how we are going to deal with climate change. It says, “we’re going to try and fortress ourselves and protect what we’ve got”.

But economically/energetically speaking this isn’t something we’re going to do, it’s something we are doing, right now, in response to energy shortages. And if the fewer and fewer of the West – or the Global North or whatever you want to call it – want to continue living high off the hog of industrial civilization’s plunders for as long as they can – as the overwhelming evidence seems to be showing – then austerity – “fortress ourselves and protect what we’ve got” – is the name of the game.

Yes, Klein can say many great things (I’m being 100% serious), but it nonetheless seems that she’s often-enough unable to take heed of her own words. Sure, she’ll say that

there is something going on where a world view is saying that there will always be more, that there are no limits, there’s a new frontier around the corner, technology will come and save us.

Yet the core of the Leap Manifesto is based on that very way of thinking. For as Klein also put it when promoting the Leap Manifesto,

Technological breakthroughs have brought this dream [of 100% renewable energy] within reach.

Perhaps Canada should also be concerned about peak oil

“Technological breakthroughs”? As in those ones that are part of the “world view” of which we shouldn’t expect “technology [to] come and save us”? Those “technological breakthroughs”? Why yes. For as Klein stated in an interview with Amy Goodman of Democracy Now!, again for the Leap Manifesto’s release,

we can transition away from fossil fuels very rapidly in line with what… engineers are telling us we now can do because of these breakthroughs in technology.

And what do we want from these “breakthroughs in technology”?

[W]e want energy sources that will last for time immemorial and never run out or poison the land.

Never mind that we’ve already got one of those (it’s called the sun), but what exactly are the energy sources that these “breakthroughs in technology” can now give us?

The latest research shows it is feasible to get 100 per cent of our electricity from renewable resources within two decades. We demand that this shift begin now.

And not only that, but working off of “the latest research” the Leap Manifesto also demands the (supposedly feasible) complete shift from all fossil fuels to renewables by 2050.

“The latest research,” however, is of course a colloquialism often used by adherents to the religion of progress in place of “techno mumbo-jumbo.” For in a similar manner, and as Michael Pollan put it in his excellent book In Defence of Food,

Several studies have found that when industry funds nutrition research, the conclusions are more likely to produce findings favorable to that industry’s products.

That doesn’t automatically dismiss the studies that Klein and the Leap Manifesto refer to, but when one places too strong of an importance on politics, and not on physics, it’s bound to muddy one’s perceptions. I’ll get to that, and more, in part 2.

From Filmers to Farmers



23 Comments on "Naomi Klein & the Let­down of the Leap Manifesto: Energy Depletion Dismissal is Just as Bad as Climate Change Denial"

  1. Cloud9 on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 6:47 am 

    To steal a line from Hemmingway, It happens slowly at first and then it happens all at once. The best that any of us can do is mitigate the immediate impact as much as possible. A garden is a good idea.

  2. Davy on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 7:29 am 

    “It happens slowly at first and then it happens all at once.” Exactly and it is called collapse. I can’t stand listening to wealthy educated greens spout off a siren song of delusion. You can’t have your cake and eat it. Catch 22 mean there is no way out. Traps mean you are trapped. You can chew your leg off but that is a consequence of being in a trap and this means a phase change has occurred. The only way we can change the world is lose it. Population must come down to 1BIL within a generation or less. Consumption and complexity must dip to 1920’s and lower. We need to get there quickly. In the process there will be a much needed die off. Rich will be poor and poor will be poor. Many of both will be dead. We will need large families to do manual tasks with many in the family dying young for multiple reasons just like it used to be. In fact just like our 5 billion fellow humans live daily just not yet in a die off. We are going to breath, eat, and die local.

    We are going to hope we have not created a human extinction event. The biggest question I have is can we keep all those fuel rods from burning up and contaminating what little habitation we have. That should be the number one green activity. How to secure fuel rods not how many EV’s can we produce. That is just an example of many for millions of global locals who have industrial accidents waiting to happen in their back yard once the grid flickers with failures. We are going to have civil wars that threaten to destroy everything. Civil war are about pure destruction. They are about hate and retribution. Our civil war will be global because we are one big stupid fat family of a creatures with a large brain but no sense. We can’t get along but we must to survive. That situation is a catch 22 of an existential human evolutionary defect there is no escape from. We have no choice to cooperate unless we want to die together. We can live together or die together and the living together will mean dying together. That is the hard part. Who is going to man-up to die first? We did fine more or less in the growth phase but now that we are in the depletion, deflation, and decay phase all bets are off on using what worked historically. What we need is a revolution of our human spirit. That will only come after we start dying off and our civilization is in rubble.

    I am not anti-green. I feel what they are doing despite their self-deception is good. We need all the diversity of energy we can get for when the lights start to go out. We need solar panels more than new fancy cars or football stadiums. I can’t stand football and the car commercials. We need more solar panel conventions and green commercials despite their false message. Most of all what we need is a good dose of dread. We need to live pain. We need to see death. We need to feel hunger. It is only then that we will wake up from our Alice in Wonderland fantasy and get to work at the very difficult game of survival in a collapsing world.

  3. curlyq3 on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 9:03 am 

    Hello Davy … I believe it will be the spent nuclear fuel that will be the ultimate life altering force that was created by humans … a runaway greenhouse condition is also a possibility sometime in the future but the loss of containment of the nuclear material could occur tomorrow … when I became aware of the spent fuel problem and the unrealistic chance that it will be contained I realized that humanity had essentially sealed it’s fate … it is probable that a significant amount of life will survive the inevitable nuclear war as bad as that will be … but the release of all the radioactive elements from the spent fuel in the world is likely to leave only the simplest life forms to survive … complex life forms evolved after the Earth had become sufficiently less radioactive to support them … it is possible that some time in the future complex life will again return to repeat the process … it is natural for complex systems to reduce themselves at some point … I will attempt to enjoy life here in southern Utah and I wish you the same where you are.

    curlyq3

  4. Sissyfuss on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 10:26 am 

    Until we stop treating Mother Earth as a monetized commodity the wanton destruction will not only continue but accelerate. There is a treatment for the cancer infecting her coming in the form of intense heat and radiation chemo.

  5. Davy on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 11:06 am 

    Thanks, curly, good to hear from you. I have not heard from you for some time. Utah is one of my favorite places. You are lucky to be there. Stay sane my friend.

  6. Apneaman on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 11:59 am 

    Solar Rooftop Revolution Fizzles in U.S. on Utility Pushback

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-13/the-u-s-rooftop-solar-boom-is-grinding-to-a-halt

  7. Apneaman on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 12:01 pm 

    Growing pains: Hawaii solar sector howls as grid-supply incentives hit caps

    An alternative self-supply program could boost solar-plus-storage, but costs are prohibitive for most Hawaiians

    http://www.utilitydive.com/news/growing-pains-hawaii-solar-sector-howls-as-grid-supply-incentives-hit-caps/426149/

  8. Apneaman on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 12:04 pm 

    Greenland sets record temperatures, ice melts early

    “The Greenland ice sheet, a potentially massive contributor to rising sea levels, lost mass twice as fast between 2003 and 2010 as during the entire 20th century, researchers said in December.

    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-09-greenland-temperatures-ice-early.html#jCp

  9. rockman on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 1:14 pm 

    Take a look at Apeman’s link about solar fizzling. Look at the blue graph showing how it is leveling off. The first thing I thought was how similar it was to the growth pattern of oil production from the shales. Also almost identical to NG production from the Marcellus Shale. Basicly it doesn’t take near as much effort to increase 100% (1 unit) from 1 to 2 as it does to increase 5% (2 units) from 40 to 42.

  10. rockman on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 1:23 pm 

    And on a silly note: “How our economy is undermining the environmental revolution”. If the revolution has been undermined is it no longer a revolution and just a lost battle? Sorta like saying my poverty is undermining my efforts to be wealthy.

    I’ll always applaud the greenies for fighting the good fight. But it doesn’t change anything if one loses the fight.

  11. shortonoil on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 2:13 pm 

    “I can’t stand listening to wealthy educated greens spout off a siren song of delusion.”

    When sweet little Naomi pulls up in her new Prius hybrid (that took 216 million BTU to build) to her latest book signing it shows her audience just how really, really GREEN she is. She then goes on to tell them how everything is going to be so wonderful in a world powered by wind mills, and cheap Chinese solar panels. She tells them how their wonderful, and privileged lives will go on in their fiat paid for Disney World.

    As Gurdjieff said, “no one ever went broke telling people what they want to hear”!

    It may be that poor little Naomi was seduced by the back side of the curve? Hubbert’s curve that is. She may have looked at it and told herself, “we will burn half of it, and then gently slide down the back side. Giving us plenty of time to have those cheap Chinese slaves build us plenty of panels.” Everything is beautiful!

    Of course Hubbert never said that would happen! Someone else did. In fact what happens is that we hit the top of his curve then slide down a little way into a brick wall. Its not called running out of oil (which no one with a regular sized brain ever said) its called running out of thermodynamics.

    Of course, sweet little Naomi would never considered such an idea. It would be unthinkable. It would immediately exclude her from all the Ladies Clubs, and Club House diners where she can talk about the deep philosophical aspects of her books. Naomi can not go there; Naomi lives in another book. It was called the “Lathe of Heaven”.

    BW

  12. orbit7er on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 2:26 pm 

    While Naomi Klein may not place enough emphasis on Peak Oil and Limits to Growth she is right on target with the path to a sahred sustainable future which can allow civilized living to continue. She does not shirk from the the 2 big elephants in the room unmentioned by so many Environmentalists- namely the endless Wars costing the US $1 Trillion per year and the World $2 Trillion per year and Auto Addiction also costing trillions. Naomi Klein has always championed PUBLIC Transit not the pipedreams of private electric cars or now self-driving cars and all that nonsense. And she is right – if the US had spent the trillions wasted on the endless Wars since Iraq War I by George Bush Sr on Green Transit, insulated buildings, solar energy etc the US would have the 100% renewable electric Rail which the Dutch are only now getting by 2018 saving huge amounts of oil, greenhouse emissions, land, deaths and obesity. Instead Obama and Hillary plan on wasting $1 Trillion on new nuclear weapons, $1 Trillion on the F-35 fiasco, ad nauseum. WHich could be paying for High Speed Rail, Light Rail, Trolleys and walkable communities all over the US. Naomi Klein has been a major critic of untrammelled private consumption instead championing not only public transit but public libraries, schools, healthcare, parks etc all of which have been cannibalized for plutocrats profits for years now.
    Change that and yes we can all have a reasonable life probably working less on the job but walking, singing, dancing and conversing with our newfound neighbors more…

  13. ghung on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 3:10 pm 

    Yeah, Orbit, plenty of folks here who choose to make the perfect the enemy of the good. At least Klein is trying to wake people up and get them to think differently about their corptocratic system. Woe be unto her for actually being somewhat successful while doing that.

  14. Apneaman on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 3:10 pm 

    I read Naomi Klein’s “The Shock Doctrine” and think she is a very skilled writer and described the malfeasance of capitalism and disaster capitalism quite accurately. Most of the older stuff in the book, like the Dulles bros and United Fruit Company, I had heard about growing up when my dad was younger and used to go on corruption rants. Won’t bother with her fake environmentalism BS books. Naomi has sold many millions of books and between her and hubby are millionaire 1%ers, so her anti capitalism is selective. Amazon.com and the mega corporate book store chains that sell her books and have wiped out tens of thousands of small town mom&pop book stores and small publishing Co’s apparently get a free pass. Even more hilarious is the fact that Canada’s environmental queen Jets all over the planet plugging her books, attending climate rallies, conferences and giving lectures at universities all around the world. She’s so concerned about over population N stuff she recently squirted out a little Canadian 1% ers to carry on the hypocrisy fight.

    As for the environmental sheeple, many mean well, but barely understand the science (too much work) and like most tribal humans support their team by default lest they get the boot. Sort of the liberal equivalent of a conservatard “energy voter”. Sounds good and makes me feel all prideful and full of political/tribe team spirit. Most are clueless to how Big Green and the upper management really operates.

    Hijacking the Environmental Movement

    “When the oil industry tycoon Warren Buffett poured $26 million into TIDES foundation, he was making a strategic long-term investment in hijacking the environmental movement. Like the Rockefeller Brothers and Buffett’s close friend Bill Gates, they know how important it is public relations (PR) wise to appear as benefactors of humanity, while scheming to cash in on the gullibility of young, impressionable activists.

    Financially compromised non-governmental organizations (NGOs), i.e. World Wildlife Fund, The Nature Conservancy, and 350, promise the largest return on investment Wall Street has ever seen. While some international NGOs still take money directly from corporations, it is more effective to launder money through foundations, i.e. NoVo, TIDES, Gates, Ford and Rockefeller.”

    http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2016/04/25/hijacking-the-environmental-movement/

    Some will shout that Big Corp corrupted Big Green – that’s only half true. To corrupt someone they have to accept the offer. It’s a deal!

  15. ghung on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 3:49 pm 

    Like I said…..

  16. Lucifer on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 3:55 pm 

    Orbit, so you think if humans spend all the trillions of $ on green stuff then that will somehow stop the depletion of resources. You must be in orbit.

  17. makati1 on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 5:50 pm 

    If Klein is so “green”, why doesn’t she donate ALL of her book profits to “green” organizations? Could it be that greed has displaced green?

  18. ghung on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 6:13 pm 

    If Mak is so anti-American, why doesn’t he donate his social security checks to terrorist organisations bent on destroying America?

  19. makati1 on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 6:16 pm 

    If ghung is so smart, why does he write such stupid shit?

  20. ghung on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 6:20 pm 

    Was a perfectly legitimate and honest question, Mak. Which part did you think was “stupid shit”? BTW; I’m willing to bet that Klein supports causes she believes in, and that you don’t.

  21. makati1 on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 6:55 pm 

    That I hate the US and would want to destroy the country my family lives in. THAT was a stupid question.

    That I point out the lies that Americans swallow daily does not make me anti-US, it makes me a patriot in the real sense, not the mindless, flag waving kind.

    Klein is a capitalist bitch, out for money and nothing more. “Green” is just the vehicle for that greed.

  22. Davy on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 7:46 pm 

    The lies people live with would be entertaining if they were not so pathetic and sad.

  23. Apneaman on Fri, 16th Sep 2016 11:12 am 

    ghung, did you not read the link demonstrating how Big Green are nothing but corporate corrupted gate keepers? So, that is irrelevant because you feel they are trying to wake people up? It’s that very corptocratic system they have got in bed with that they are warning against. How does that make sense? When the very forces they are supposed to be fighting against, Wall St, Warren Buffet, etc, are their biggest donors and even founded some of the organizations methinks the fight was lost some time ago. Damage done.

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