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Let’s Talk Candidly About Energy
Even though Americans are working more hours, many are still watching their paychecks erode and saving less money – if they are saving anything at all.
Against this current backdrop, people across the country are spending an annual average of $3,512 per person on energy, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). With the average worker making $48,664 per year, that is a staggering amount of money devoted to keeping the lights on, the house warmed and cooled and the gas tank full.
But for those living on low or fixed incomes, the burden is even more crushing, with the poorest households generally spending more than 20 percent of their income on home energy bills, and in some extreme cases, more than 50 percent.
With more than 40 million Americans living in poverty, according to the Census Bureau, and 13.5 million unemployed or searching for full-time jobs, that is an enormous number of our relatives, friends and neighbors struggling under the weight of their energy bills.
Americans deserve better. How we meet our energy challenges affects us all. While most of these people are strangers to us, we must start paying closer attention to and considering the energy costs of families – just like yours – sitting at the kitchen table trying to pay their bills.
We can’t ignore them forever. The time to help them is now.
When there is not enough energy to keep up with demand, energy prices skyrocket. The solution is sustaining energy production and improving our infrastructure. Yet, energy projects are often caught up in legal battles or — increasingly — partisan political gamesmanship that drags on for years, as anti-development groups mislead Americans into believing that they must choose between a healthy environment or access to American energy.
The truth is we don’t have to choose. We can have both.
Did you know that oil and natural gas pipelines ― despite the claims of protesters ― are 4.5 times safer than moving the same volume across the same distance by other means? Or that over 99.999 percent of what’s moved through pipelines safely reaches its destination? Or that natural gas generators can be ramped up and down quickly, which supports the integration of wind and solar into the electric grid? Or that we use natural gas for 33.8 percent of our electricity? Or that U.S. greenhouse gas emissions fell by 11.5 percent from 2005 to 2015, with the country on pace to meet the Paris Accords — without governmental intervention?
In short, the beauty of energy diversity is that it pushes companies to innovate their technology, reduce emissions and operate under the highest safety standards ― and that holds true for all forms of energy, including coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear, solar and wind.
But despite the benefits of American energy development, modernized infrastructure and the diversification of our resources, energy has for some strange reason become a political hot potato. It shouldn’t be.
We all want a cleaner environment and access to affordable energy, regardless of our political affiliation. Nobody wants to pay more for consumer goods ― such as clothes, food and electronics ― because of high energy costs.
That is why Consumer Energy Alliance (CEA) is launching “Campaign for America’s Energy” – a nationwide movement that engages families, businesses and lawmakers in states and communities throughout the country in a non-partisan, open, thoughtful discussion to ensure people have the information necessary to make the right calls for our shared energy and economic future.
Through that conversation, we seek to find common ground on ways to protect the environment, ensure the lowest possible prices, create greater energy security for struggling households, upgrade America’s infrastructure and push forward with cutting-edge innovations.
If there is one thing we should all agree on, it is this: We need energy to survive and thrive, and we need a clean environment.
CEA invites all concerned Americans to join our dialogue and help create solutions that not only look out for your family when you’re sitting at the kitchen table but also when you’re out enjoying the outdoors. Saying “no” and protesting everything is not a solution. Let’s work together toward real, achievable solutions that keep the lights on and the planet green.
65 Comments on "Let’s Talk Candidly About Energy"
Hello on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 4:07 pm
>>>>> But for those living on low or fixed incomes, the burden is even more crushing
No kidding? That’s kind of what the word ‘poor’ means. That you cannot afford stuff.
>>>>> Americans deserve better
stop importing uneducated, unskilled, culturally incompatible 3rd world could be an excellent start. It will also require less policing, and less gov snooping to keep the peace.
Your Big Brother on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 4:56 pm
“Americans deserve better.”
“Deserve has got nothing to do with it.”
– Bill Munny in “Unforgiven”
Sissyfuss on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 5:14 pm
I’d rather talk energetically about candy.
Boat on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 5:39 pm
Capitalism is a competition in trade. The lowest cost producer has the best opportunity to expand.
Hello’s >>>>> Americans deserve better
stop importing uneducated, unskilled, culturally incompatible 3rd world could be an excellent start. It will also require less policing, and less gov snooping to keep the peace”.
It would be hard to argue against that comment. I would also comment water, fuel, population etc are also pushing the boundaries of sustainability. Immigration has no place in the battle with climate change.
green_achers on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 5:41 pm
Less than $10 a day all of the services, transportation, climate control, and goods that Americans enjoy. Energy no king living before the 20th century could have dreamed of. That’s staggering, all right. That these would-be leaders on the issue would be mewling about such a trivial expense for what we get for our extravagant use of energy is just another indicator that we deserve the big re-set that’s coming.
makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 5:54 pm
YBB, Americans now deserve to pay the price for what they “deserve” and it will be high. As Green-archers said: “…we deserve the big re-set that’s coming.” Americans, that is.
BTW: This is nothing more than a hopey/feely unicorn huger article. Fluff.
makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 6:02 pm
Boar, capitalism is a method of ripping off the poor and transferring the wealth to the top. Nothing more. A variety of Feudalism.
Trade, real trade, existed for thousands of years before capitalism was dreamed up and will exist as long as humans exist, which may not be much longer.
Davy on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 6:05 pm
You of all people deserve the worst of the reset mad kat. It is your sins the world is paying for now. You need to pay a price and I think you will when the first shock comes and you experience hunger and food insecurity. You are in the worst possible place for an economic shock. Your generation could have saved us from possible extinction. Don’t think you can get out of jail free because you ran away to some slum-hole club med. You need to pay for being a fraud and a failure not blame others.
makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 6:10 pm
In other news: Another “Terrorist” attack in the US. Truck used to kill this time, but effective. Seems that the US murder rate is climbing faster and faster. Safety is a joke in America.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-31/box-truck-mows-down-pedestrians-lower-manhattan-reports-shots-fired
“Suspect Identified In NYC Terror Attack That Left 8 Dead, 15 Injured”
Go Speed Racer on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 6:34 pm
I thought Trump would make sure
all those people would be sent back
by now. To where they came from.
Guess this one didn’t get the memo.
Davy on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 6:35 pm
“Safety is a joke in America.”
We are fine mad kat. You are the one that needs to watch his back with Duerte thugs killing people.
makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 6:46 pm
America, the paper tiger that went insane.
“…the presstitutes report that three US aircraft carrier battle groups are off North Korea or on the way there….
Both China and Russia have missiles that can wipe out the three aircraft battle groups at will. So what is the point of sending obsolete ships, like the battleships anchored in Pearl Harbor for the Japanese, other than to have them obliterated and to use their demise as an excuse to start World War III?…
The idiots in Washington have ordered outmoded B-52 bombers to be on 24-hour alert. Why? Not a single one of them could penetrate Russian air defense. What is the purpose of this nonsensical order except to worsen distrust between nuclear powers.”
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/30/insanity-evil-western-world-grip/
“The moron Pence is a danger to all of humanity. Pence is not a patriot protecting us, he is an idiot who should be impeached for his utter and total irresponsibility before he destroys us all….
Why is it that Washington and Washington’s vassals can’t hear when powers capable of destroying all of them clearly state that they have had enough of Washington’s arrogance and hubris?”
Because Americans are also insane and support these morons. “It came in the night…”
MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 6:52 pm
Madkat I asked you a question twice..Are you just going to ignore them each time? Can you please provide some evidence that Asia will survive the economic collapse coming? Please just one study or science paper…Or just admit you have no proof you are just WISHING and using Magical thinking…
Davy on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 7:19 pm
“Both China and Russia have missiles that can wipe out the three aircraft battle groups at will.”
This is from someone who said there are 10MIL men under arms in Korea. LOL
makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 7:30 pm
MM, I answered. The survival culture and adaptability of Asians is much higher than any Westerner. Does common sense mean nothing? It does if you do not have any. It appears that that is the answer. Do some history research on the Asian countries and then come back with an intelligent question.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 7:34 pm
Davy: 10 million men army! Damn McDonald’s and wal mart worldwide only employ around 4 million. And remember when Madkat said he loves his president with 100 percent of his heart..LOL and he has the nerve to call americans brainwashed…
And Madkat I don’t have to do YOUR RESEARCH for YOU..By answering “Just look at history of a totally different time in space” is not relevant to the present.
Davy on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 7:42 pm
MM, lol, mad kat is not used to having two guys neutering him at once. He likes to attack others in groups becuase he is such a pussy.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 8:30 pm
Davy I know he is so pathetic. He believes vaccines cause autism. when in reality they cause adults. He is obviously scientifically and energy illiterate and it shows…But I assume he needs to believe he will make it through the die off. If not he would most likely soil his depends. Madkat is what happens after several decades of involuntary impotence. It must suck to be impotent especially in the internet age with all the free porn available. And his whole moral outrage against the US is totally self serving. It makes him FEEL like a good person for expressing anger at a third party.
deadlykillerbeaz on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 8:52 pm
I’ll tell it like it is, be candid.
I drove my truck about 1.5 miles today, ran my dog.
Later on, I started the tractor and used the blade attached to the three-point hitch to spread new gravel on the driveway. With no gravel truck to deliver copious amounts of gravel, it would be a huge chore.
Without the fuel, I would need a team of horses to pull the antique road grader out in the trees.
The horses would need hay and oats, and a lot of both. Not fun, but would have to do it to make the road passable for the wagon to go to town to buy more beer.
To be frank, the fuel in the tractor allows for a much more efficient operation for my needs.
Just a better world with oil available for consumption and internal combustion engines to do a great deal more work than the horses would ever be able to do. No hay, no oats required.
I did have to replace the oil pressure gauge on the tractor this year, so maintenance is crucial. The line split from the engine to the gauge, oil shot out like crazy. A fix was necessary.
Without internal combustion, you’re dead in the water.
Just the way it is in the real world.
to believe in this livin’ is just a hard way to go – John Prine
Go Speed Racer on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 8:55 pm
Spending $3,512 a year on energy?
That’s kind of vague. Is that including
gasoline, electricity, and natural gas?
I figure I spend about $400 a month on
electric so that’s $4,800 annual right there.
Then I spend $120 a month on gasoline.
And then another $80 on natural gas.
So that’s $600 a month on energy.
Or, about $7,200 on energy. Just pure good
old fashioned CO2 emitting fossil fuel
consumption. And its probly one of my
bigger line items.
I was impressed how much time it takes,
for a nuclear reactor (600 Megawatt)
if I had the whole station running only
for my needs and nobody else, how long
would it take to give me my electric
energy for the year? It’s about 7 minutes.
Just me, my 600 Megawatt power station,
7 minutes. One year. Gotta repeat that
a year later, 7 minutes a year.
I was surprised how high it was. No
wonder America is all about energy.
Guess this article got it’s numbers all wrong.
Go Speed Racer on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 8:57 pm
Can everybody believe how high the CO2
numbers are? So much for Obama’s dumb
Paris accord. At least Trump is honest
about it. It won’t work so let’s not do it.
We’re up to 404 parts per million.
Cough Cough Cough.
Might have to start re-thinking
about burning all those tires and
La-Z-Boy recliners in the back yard.
Apneaman on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 9:10 pm
Only 8 dead for the Muslim? Hell that white terrorist in Las Vegas beat him by a country mile. Anyone else but notice whenever it’s a white terrorist the conspiracy tards come out in false flag full force internet CSI crime scene investigation mode, but are quiet as a mouse when it’s some rag head and scream their typical immigration bitch? I doubt they are even conscious that they are doing it. Soooooooooo obvious. Most humans are completely unaware of their motivations and biases. It’s truly amazing to watch these conspiracy tards totally believe they can investigate an entire massive crime scene as good as a big city CSI unit all from watching 12 1/2 minutes of youtube videos in mommy’s basement. LMFAO. Oh my those talking monkeys are so entertaining.
Apneaman on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 9:21 pm
GSR, hasn’t been that much CO2 in the atmosphere in 3 million years or more. I don’t know about you, but it makes me feel special. There have been a number of hot house extinctions in the planets history, from volcanism, but not one of them comes close to loading the atmosphere with CO2 at the speed the cancer apes have done it. We are mighty.
Go Speed Racer on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 9:38 pm
Hi Sleep Apnea,
Yeah the white tarrarists like
McVeigh are usually doing more
harm than the Arab ones.
What we can do is stockpile
bottles of oxygen in our basements.
Then when all the oxygen is used up,
we still have something to breathe.
Sissyfuss on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 9:42 pm
I guess the bordering oceans no longer protect us from the 7th century madmen. Need a new strategy.
Davy on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 9:52 pm
Yea, here on the farm with 500 acres and just the wife and I. I hear you on fossil fuels. I often think about how it may be without. I think about food. I think about maintenance. Man, we may have a rude awakening ahead. This is why I live as I do. Knowing and living with the understanding this could end helps me appreciate what I have now. It is not going make the suffering an better but it does teach me to live fully in the here and now. I feel like I am living on borrowed time. It has been years I have had this feelings and life keeps going. It will be strange once it stops.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 10:08 pm
Apeman: Well put…The conspiracy tards went totally insane over the Vegas shooting.
makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 10:29 pm
Let’s Talk Candidly About US Insanity:
“Welcome To The Offended States Of America”
“If you know something is going to upset you, why would you deliberately put yourself in a situation in which you will be angered, saddened, or hurt? There’s no other answer except that you actually want to be offended.”
http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/offended-states-of-america-10312017
” Yale students love the idea of outlawing Halloween”
“Students at Yale and elsewhere have made it clear: they want their schools to take preemptive measures to prevent the wearing of Halloween costumes which could offend.”
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10070
American snowflakes…
MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 10:39 pm
Madkat stop sharing fake news you deluded lunatic… Geez you are an idiot and stupid….
Hey Madkat I have some magic beans I would love to sell you! They work great! Just send me a PM and we can talk prices!
makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 10:49 pm
MM, have they let you use the computer during your recess? Are you and Davy in the same grade school classroom. It appears so. Failed another year. LMAO
MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 10:55 pm
Madkat1 actually I am a chemist who works for a midwest university who holds a PhD in Quantum chemistry… That is why I always use peer reviewed scientific sources. And never Fake News from extremist lunatic sites like you. And its sad you can’t find any evidence that Asia will survive the limits to growth collapse…Hmmmm I wonder why? Just keep Hoping and wishing and I am sure you will be fine….Maybe you can eat some of your Asian carps post collapse? I know how you Asians love to eat insects and bottom feeders like sharks..
Apneaman on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 10:59 pm
GSR, at least it shows the white man is still the best at something.
Apneaman on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 11:00 pm
The Infinite Suburb Is an Academic Joke By JAMES HOWARD KUNSTLER
“The world’s major oil companies are cannibalizing themselves to stay in business, with balance sheets cratering, and next-to-zero new oil fields being discovered. The shale oil producers haven’t made a net dime since the project got ramped up around 2005. Their activities have been financed on junk lending made possible by arbitrages on the near-zero Fed fund rate, itself an historical abnormality. The shale-oil drillers are producing all out to service their loans, and have thus driven down oil prices, negating their profit. Low oil prices are not the sign of a healthy industry but of a failing industrial economy, the latter currently expressing itself in a sinking middle class and the election of Donald Trump.”
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/urbs/the-infinite-suburb-is-an-academic-joke/
MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 11:24 pm
Apeman: I agree with most of Kunts crisitsms. But how are we going to remodel everything and re organzize everything without enough oil and too low of EROEI…He doesn’t ever explain that. And once the oil starts to run out it will spike the price and will send us into a permanent depression. Which will eventually lead to total economic collapse. We don’t have the time, resources, wealth, or attitudes to change and re localize everything.. He talks about people will be needing to move back to the country and so forth. Where are they going to live and how are we going to build new homes and everything else without energy resources? He ignores the limits to growth conclusions that are a global economic collapse by 2030 at the latest. And once that happens..everything is game set and match…
makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 11:36 pm
MM: So? I am NOT impressed with titles or degrees and especially over the internet. You can claim to be Jesus Christ and there is no way to prove it either way. But your words tell it all. A huge ego and nothing to back it up.
Your claims DO NOT match your supposed maturity. Sorry. You are still a 12 year old who thinks he knows everything. Intelligent, mature adults do not resort to name calling and put downs to prove their point. So, pretend to be anything you want. You are still immature and a bully like Davy. LMAO
Cloggie on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 12:38 am
The ridiculous all-caps nick MASTERMIND says it all.
Apneaman on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 12:47 am
MASTERMIND, JHK still has bills to pay. The only apocalyptic writers who make enough coin to live are fiction writers. I though that piece was alright even though there was no mention of AGW (wadda expect for a conservative site). At least it was longer than the little pieces he writes on his site and gave him a chance to flesh his argument out. I think some kinda hope is mandatory. I don’t think the editors will except it otherwise. Same for many scientists writing articles and papers and then there is the human nature/social part. Remember Jason Box tweeting “We’re Fucked”? Holy shit the progressive enviro community came down on him so hard you would think he had shot some babies or sumthin. It worked too. They put him back in line. James Hansen and Kevin Anderson speak their minds and they take a lot of flak for it and they aren’t end of the world doomers, just that it’s worse than the main stream scientific community is letting on. Peak oil people are all but ignored by the media.
Top Climate Expert: Crisis is Worse Than We Think & Scientists Are Self-Censoring to Downplay Risk
“The climate crisis is more severe than even many scientists have acknowledged. Kevin Anderson is deputy director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research and professor of energy and climate change at the University of Manchester in Britain. He has said many scientists are self-censoring their work to downplay the severity of the climate crisis.”
https://www.democracynow.org/2015/12/8/top_climate_expert_crisis_is_worse
Scientific Reticence: a DRAFT Discussion James Hansen
26 October 2017
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2017/20171026_ScientificReticence.pdf
It’s not just a matter of courage to speak out. There is also the institute you work for and obviously job security.
It’s unrealistic to expect anyone in authority to come out and say we are fucked and a bunch of you are going to die and your kids will have horrible futures. Not for AGW or peak oil or a massive economic crash. Now retired guys, they’re a different story entirely.
makati1 on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 12:58 am
Ap, of course you are correct in your assessment of the situation. Those who still need to earn a paycheck have to walk a fine line with the truth. Whereas, the retirees don’t. It explains why there is not more realistic scenarios on line or in the news. With retirement comes real freedom. I hope you get to experience it some3day.
makati1 on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 1:07 am
In other news: “Waning US influence in Asia on display ahead of Trump visit”
“US Defense Secretary James Mattis’ arrival in the Philippines on Monday could have been an opportunity to showcase America’s importance in the region. But, as NPR writes, the Philippines had somthing else in mind.
Shortly after Mattis’ arrival, In an announcement hailing the end to Manila’s campaign against the ISIS-inspired insurgency in Marawi, Philippine Defense Minister Delfin Negrillo Lorenza decided not to mention Washington’s support for the campaign. Manila’s praise was reserved for Russia and China, both of which provided arms that the Obama administration had withheld due to concerns about Duterte’s drug war.
While the weapons from Beijing and Moscow are insignificant in comparison to the military ties between Washington and Manila, for Duterte it is a way to remind the US that it cannot take its close ties with the Philippines for granted.
In related news, the Washington Post reported that President Trump will not attend the East Asia Summit held in the Philippines on November 14, though Trump will be in the country on the 12th and 13th.
The Philstar confirmed that a bilateral meeting between Trump and Duterte is being arranged for while Trump is there.”
http://www.atimes.com/article/waning-us-influence-asia-display-ahead-trump-visit/
BTW: A new Trump Tower is under construction a few blocks from my condo. lol
makati1 on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 1:13 am
If you are interested:
http://www.trumptowerphilippines.com/
Go Speed Racer on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 1:28 am
Yo Makita, that is awful news, that they want
to outlaw Halloween costumes because dressing
up as another culture is offensive.
What will the liberals think of next, maybe
they will outlaw Christmas. Oh, they have
been working on that a long time.
LOL here is my favorite Halloween costume
this cute little Trump supporter is all
decked out as a Muslim immigrant:
http://www.costumepop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/terrorist-costume.jpg
LOL LOL
Boat on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 1:54 am
clog
It’s unrealistic to expect anyone in authority to come out and say we are fucked and a bunch of you are going to die and your kids will have horrible futures. Not for AGW or peak oil or a massive economic crash. Now retired guys, they’re a different story entirely.
You don’t know a segment of American politics well. You probably don’t know C.Span where speeches with charts and graphs are shown explaining climate change, deaths and health care costs from FF etc. There are areas of the Dem belt that require these beliefs to get elected.
makati1 on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 1:57 am
GSR, I hope he isn’t “accidentally” shot by some rabid cop. Oh, that’s right. He isn’t black. I guess he is safe.
I’m not sure I would let my kids trick-or-treat in today’s America. Insanity seems to be common there today. Crazy truck drivers, gunmen in hotels, drug pushers and molesters in high places, etc.
But you are correct. The America we knew is gone.
Theedrich on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 2:49 am
Mak gave an important link to P.J. Roberts who wrote,
“Why are the morons in Washington following the 19th century British practice of sending warships [to the waters off North Korea]? …. China has already said that China will allow no attack on North Korea unless Korea strikes first. The Russians have indicated their opposition as well. Both China and Russia have missiles that can wipe out the three aircraft battle groups at will. So what is the point of sending obsolete ships, like the battleships anchored in Pearl Harbor for the Japanese, other than to have them obliterated and to use their demise as an excuse to start World War III?”
Vice President Pence, PJR reports, told the launch crews at the Minot [ND] Nuclear missile base not to “waste time” trying to confirm an order to launch, but to launch immediately. Start WW III without worrying about any mistakes. It’s good for the economy; also, the Russia-hating Demonic Party will love it.
Thanks, Dr. Strangelove-Pence. Just what the yahoos, the genosuicidal “resistance” media, and the DeepState wanted.
Perhaps all this is only what is to be expected in an entitlement-demanding lemmingocracy. As has often been said, a people has the rulers it deserves.
Cloggie on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 3:21 am
Boat You don’t know a segment of American politics well. You probably don’t know C.Span where speeches with charts and graphs are shown explaining climate change, deaths and health care costs from FF etc. There are areas of the Dem belt that require these beliefs to get elected.
The quote was from Ap. And no, I am very well aware of C-SPAN as one of the less biased and informative US channels. They even do extremely revisionist stuff! If Davy would watch this, he would get a heart attack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj9Geqf3LB8
The ex-Soviet spy puts the blame for Barbarossa fully on the Soviets, not the Germans. And Americans are broadcasting it.
Poor apneaman, who like davy, is into deep doomerism as a face-saving excuse to explain away the impending collapse of the US empire
Or to paraphrase Paul Krugman:
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/27/paul-krugman-white-americans-are-losing-their-country/
A lot of the craziness comes from cultural/ethnic issues—big city Jews who feel they are losing the country and empire, and they are right. They are losing their country and empire. In the end, the power they now have will go away, but it’s a very difficult and dangerous time until then. The future is represented by Donald Trump of New York and Richard Spencer, “but George Soros and the neocons are still out there.”
Cloggie on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 3:44 am
“MASTERMIND”, JHK still has bills to pay.
Kunstler also writes for Russia-Insider, that is Anglos sympathetic towards Russia:
http://russia-insider.com/en/paul-manafort-and-dc-laundry-room/ri21411
Not a very “Democrats” thing to do. JHK was a card-carrying Democrat, but he knows that the empire & country are over and doesn’t hide behind excessive climate doom like ap does to hide his despair. JHK every now and then even makes racialist-lite hints and makes fun of BLM and their pathetic claims. Deep in his heart he finds DJT slightly less crazy than Clinton, but he has to service a leftist public so he moderates that message.
“JHK still has bills to pay”
Cloggie on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 4:16 am
The wet dream of apneaman, ghung, boat, supertard, “mastermind” and the rest of the empire cheerleaders. The arrest of Team Trump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biehbIPqV8c
Boat on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 5:37 am
clog,
This may come as a surprise to you but I hope cheeto does great. I don’t think he will but the next three years will have a history. I don’t hate differences of opinion.
Hell clogg I don’t hate you mak and others even though I am hard pressed to figure out where your hate comes from. No visa for you but type away from your bunker.
Davy on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 5:53 am
Those who want to reshape modernism like fake greens and social engineers who preach rational alternatives fail to grasp the costs of reshaping a sunk cost. Modernism is late term and systematically extended to thresholds beyond a stability. This will not be like going from the horse to the train thing. This is about being completely invested in a high energy growth based civilization that is affluent and must remain affluent and discarding much of that and going to something that is sustainable. The problem is what we got rid of was as close as we are going to get to sustainable and that was really not sustainable. We cut down forest and denuded soils but we had new continents then. We have consumed this planet and now it is time for us to shrink. We are a Ponzi arrangement that it is an economic house of cards. We are pulling our foundational elements out to grow the fluff at the top. Even the poor are affluent by historic standards which is a testament to haw far we have come and how far we have to drop.
We are likely not going to have the means to reshape modernism without going into a postmodern civilization. It might be worse. Globalism and internationalization might end completely in a relatively short amount of time and we will go into a balkanization with Byzantium holdouts. That may be the first step to a series of drops until we are again postmodern and postindustrial. What we have created cannot be reformed. It has no substitution and no transition gradient. IOW we have no unfolding of technology like the horse to train to car type thing. We have no agriculturalism to industrialization left. We have been linear for 200 years now nature will make us cyclical again. Nature is cyclical and everything must be cyclical. This is natural law. The complex ecosystem we have created will implode and we will begin succession all over again. In a different world of maybe 1BIL people that could be manageable but a world of 7BIL on a destroyed planetary system with a destabilized climate is quite another story.
The fake green world of renewables and continued affluence is a fraud. This is pure science denial. The science that got them there is not in denial it is the fantasy solutions that are pure denial. We may be able to use techno optimism with efficiency and conservation to extend this life out for some more years but that is likely it. A partially renewable world will greatly assist our destabilizing world to survive a little longer. We are over the peak civilization thing and going down. We are likely just leaving the undulating plateau of growth/decline. In just a few years there will see a noticeable increase in dysfunctional networks, economic abandonment, and irrational social narratives. This is what happens when intelligence goes rough into fantasy and unreality.
Real wisdom would embrace a world of “less” and “no” in sobriety and humility. Real wisdom would localize and go seasonal. Real intermittency of living close to nature would result. Yet, this is likely not possible with the social narrative that supports a global confidence that drives liberal democracy and market based capitalism. This is the basis of our support system and it has only one operandi. It must have confidence of trust and it must have development that yields a return. Without a return either real or imagined why would people trade and sacrifice in the short term. Why would they make long term modern plans without the idea of a return? We are finished and just don’t know it. The good thing for us mortals is we may have more days to live before we die. This fall could take decades or it could end tomorrow
Cloggie on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 5:59 am
Hell clogg I don’t hate you mak and others even though I am hard pressed to figure out where your hate comes from.
Have you ever been in Europe, boat?
Have you any idea of its grandeur of art, architecture, depth of philosophy, technology, history?
Do you seriously believe we want to be colonized by a former colony, run by (((those))) who seek our destruction?
That’s not hate, that’s self-respect.