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Kunstler: The Value of Everything
W e are looking more and more like France on the eve of its revolution in 1789. Our classes are distributed differently, but the inequity is just as sharp. America’s “aristocracy,” once based strictly on bank accounts, acts increasingly hereditary as the vapid offspring and relations of “stars” (in politics, showbiz, business, and the arts) assert their prerogatives to fame, power, and riches — think the voters didn’t grok the sinister import of Hillary’s “it’s my turn” message?
What’s especially striking in similarity to the court of the Bourbons is the utter cluelessness of America’s entitled power elite to the agony of the moiling masses below them and mainly away from the coastal cities. Just about everything meaningful has been taken away from them, even though many of the material trappings of existence remain: a roof, stuff that resembles food, cars, and screens of various sizes.
But the places they are supposed to call home are either wrecked — the original small towns and cities of America — or replaced by new “developments” so devoid of artistry, history, thought, care, and charm that they don’t add up to communities, and are so obviously unworthy of affection, that the very idea of “home” becomes a cruel joke.
These places were bad enough in the 1960s and 70s, when the people who lived in them at least were able to report to paying jobs assembling products and managing their distribution. Now those people don’t have that to give a little meaning to their existence, or cover the costs of it. Public space was never designed into the automobile suburbs, and the sad remnants of it were replaced by ersatz substitutes, like the now-dying malls. Everything else of a public and human associational nature has been shoved into some kind of computerized box with a screen on it.
The floundering non-elite masses have not learned the harsh lesson of our time that the virtual is not an adequate substitute for the authentic, while the elites who create all this vicious crap spend millions to consort face-to-face in the Hamptons and Martha’s Vineyard telling each other how wonderful they are for providing all the artificial social programming and glitzy hardware for their paying customers.
The effect of this dynamic relationship so far has been powerfully soporific. You can deprive people of a true home for a while, and give them virtual friends on TV to project their emotions onto, and arrange to give them cars via some financing scam or other to keep them moving mindlessly around an utterly desecrated landscape under the false impression that they’re going somewhere — but we’re now at the point where ordinary people can’t even carry the costs of keeping themselves hostage to these degrading conditions.
The next big entertainment for them will be the financial implosion of the elites themselves as the governing forces of physics finally overcome all the ruses and stratagems of the elites who have been playing games with money. Professional observers never tires of saying that the government can’t run out of money (because they can always print more of it) but they can certainly destroy the value of that money and shred the consensual confidence that allows it to operate as money.
That’s exactly what is about to commence at the end of the summer when the government runs out of cash-on-hand and congress finds itself utterly paralyzed by party animus to patch the debt ceiling problem that disables new borrowing. The elites may be home from the Hamptons and the Vineyard by then, but summers may never be the same for them again.
The Deep State may win its war against the pathetic President Trump, but it won’t win any war against the imperatives of the universe and the way that expresses itself in the true valuation of things. And when the moment of clarification arrives — the instant of cosmic price discovery — the clueless elites will have to really and truly worry about the value of their heads.
78 Comments on "Kunstler: The Value of Everything"
Cloggie on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 6:05 am
The Deep State may win its war against the pathetic President Trump, but it won’t win any war against the imperatives of the universe and the way that expresses itself in the true valuation of things. And when the moment of clarification arrives — the instant of cosmic price discovery — the clueless elites will have to really and truly worry about the value of their heads.
The Deep State vs The People? Really? I think that the Deep State has much support under large segments of “the people”. The people in reality will be pretty accurately covered (and divided) by the distribution of votes in the last election. It will be a conflict between Reps and Dems voters, now that the Republican Party has been hijacked from the Deep State by somebody who claims to represent the interests of the marginalized white majority, that in the younger age segments no longer is a majority.
You can’t compare the US-2017 with the situation during the French revolution.
First of all, at the time there was no such thing as a secretive “Deep State”. King + aristocracy ruled and everybody knew it. And the French country-side “deplorables” this time were WITH the elite and against the revolutionaries in Paris and other big cities. The French revolution was a revolution of the middle class (“Third Estate”) against the aristocracy (“Second Estate”) and clergy (“First Estate”). It was a class struggle within an 100% ethnic homogeneous society.
In the US in contrast the coming struggle has stark racial undertones.
America has always understood itself as a majority white society of European descent, where the deep state has since 1965 waged an undeclared war against this white majority and used history (or rather its interpretation of it) as a weapon to wage war with and the Deep State owned media to spread the message.
The US majority turned into the famous “silent majority” as a result of it. Some resistance was exercised by groups like the KKK, but those could easily be ridiculed and marginalized.
No more, with Trump the white genie is out of the bottle and it is unlikely that the Deep State can put it back in again. What Trump has done is destroying political correctness and undermining the authority of the media. This is huge, I mean yuge. For this I (as a European with a clear idea about European interests –> escaping from the US empire and racial suicide) am Trump grateful and gladly forgive him his absurd energy and climate policies.
The coming inevitable battle will be between the Reps or Dems, or lets call them “Constitutionalists” and “Globalists”, or in a mutual name calling exercise “racists” against the “communists”. The Constitutionalists will be overwhelmingly white, but not exclusively and the group will probably be anxious to include non-whites in their ranks.
Here is a to-the-point conversation between an altright adherent and a smart African American, who clearly sympathises with his collocutor… because he understands that there is such a thing as “black privilege”, namely as a black man being tolerated in a white majority society, which in a near future could no longer be a certainty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSMt_kYdl5o
Few white Americans are ready for a “race war”, but a clear white majority hates the prospect to become a minority. And quite a few non-whites, those who can count to ten and are not consumed by racial hatred like the BLM clowns, are more than willing to support that aim and accept what some Germans dare to call a white “Leitkultur” (dominant culture), as long as their own place in society is guaranteed. Because that would serve their interests far better than becoming placed outside majority white society, the hard way, after a civil war. One billion blacks already suffer that fate, those living in post-colonial Africa and millions are ready to try to make if to Europe if they got the chance.
The Soviet empire came down without a drop of blood spilled. I don’t see how the West and certainly not America, can escape real conflict between the left and right. Where Europe (from Atlantic until Ural mountains) is still whiter than America ever has been throughout its history, America is near a breaking point. Trump is playing a similar role that Gorbachev played between 1985-1991: destroyer of the imperial status quo. Glasnost and Perestroika can be compared with attacks against political correctness (=kosher sharia) and “Fourth Turning”/”Draining the Swamp”.
Yes the Deep State will return to power for a brief period after Trump, but that will be the moment things will get out of control.
Go Speed Racer on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 6:11 am
It’s gettin scary in the heartland. Zombies with guns, but no jobs.
Oh wait a minnit, Trump will fix it all, he will make Carrier not move the factory to Mexico. LOL.
deadlykillerbeaz on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 7:28 am
Nobody cares about the elite and their clownbux.
Nobody.
Out in the hinterlands there is plenty for the working stiffs to share, in case you didn’t know.
There will always be plenty.
Those who dwell in crowded cities and environs don’t know anything about that, and that is how it is.
If there is any place at all that needs to worry if it all goes to hell in a handbasket, it will be the coastal cities.
In the seventies, I had a conversation with several others one day after a day of surveying some land. The conversation got around to the Great Depression and about how things were back then. Someone made a comment about how bad it was and remembered a conversation that took place back then.
“Things ain’t tough yet, I’ve seen one dog eat another,” he said, repeating the words of an old timer spoken during the Great Depression.
Howard is clueless as to how tough it can get.
During the Great Depression, nobody had any money, period.
There were penny auctions, people, friends and relatives, bought items from a family that had been foreclosed on, then handed the items back to the members of the family. The bankers weren’t happy, nothing they could do.
Nobody had any money. My Grandfather bought a workhorse, issued a check from his account, the bank couldn’t cash it, the bank was broke.
During the Great Depression, 35 American cities voted socialists for mayors.
Ella Reeve Bloor, Mother Bloor, ran for Governor of Pennsylvania on the socialist ticket. She was an evil communist too.
If you have 12,000,000,000 dollars and Au is 1200 per Troy ounce, you will have 10,000,000 Troy ounces of gold, at 20 USD for a double eagle, you are worth 200,000,000 dollars in 1900 us dollars.
A 2017 clownbuck is worth 1.7 cents in 1900 us dollars.
12,000,000,000×.017 = 204,000,000 real American dollars backed by minted gold and silver coins.
That is how it is, your twenty dollar bill is worth 34 cents.
The US is hyper-inflated now.
See ya, elites, wouldn’t wanna be ya
Makati1 on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 8:09 am
DKB, did you read GSR’s comment above? Do you think flyover land will be safe? I don’t. Zombies with guns. LOL
Sissyfuss on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 9:10 am
Clogtopuss, you’re leaving an important integer out of your black and white equation per the US. That is the brown, ie the Hispanics. They are pro family, pro community, and seeking success accordingly. It muddies the water of the crystal clear purity of your Aryan fount of knowledge but the world is never as black and white as you wish it to be.
Keep pushing your Identatian agenda and we will add it to the melting pot in hopes that it won’t sour the entire meal.
Hello on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 9:26 am
Mexicans are assimilated extremly fast. Within a generation or 2 there’s almost no noticable difference anymore between a Mexican decendent and a European.
Of course they leave a cultural legacy, but it only enhances american culture (and especially cuisine). 🙂
What is hard to assimilate is raghead religion and of course negros, because they are not quite human. That makes it hard.
Cloggie on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 9:53 am
You are an idealist Siss and idealists are usually preoccupied with how the world SHOULD look like, not how it IS.
Here is how it IS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_1900%E2%80%9344
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_1945%E2%80%9389
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_1990%E2%80%932002
Look, I don’t give a damn if you are going to frame me as Hollywood Natzi. Kunstler however is a hard-core leftist, just like you, only a little smarter and even he can’t help to notice in what direction the country is moving and that the famous “melting pot” has turned into a pressure cooker.
the Hispanics. They are pro family, pro community, and seeking success accordingly.
You are probably referring to that group of people who organized themselves in an group called La Raza (The Race), clearly referring to a distinct ethnic group?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_YW3bilXpU
I hope you happily melt together, which shouldn’t be a problem in the light of the catastrophic climate change, as predicted by some here.
Hello on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 10:21 am
Sorry Clog not everything is about race.
Some mix better, some don’t. Affluence and prosperity makes the mixing easier.
If you ask a european american about his ancestry he hardly knows, cares even less. You get answers like “i think german, maybe some french, too”, “my great-grandfather was swedish, or was that swiss? somewhere in europe i think, but i don’t really know”.
Only 100 years ago you had ghettos of polish, italian, irish. Each with a distictive culture, language. It’s all gone. washed out, mixed.
On the same page, Mexicans mix well. Give it 2 or 3 generation (while stopping the influx of new immigrants of course) and you won’t even notice they were there.
La Raza will be forgotten faster than you can count to 3.
Davy on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 10:30 am
“DKB, did you read GSR’s comment above? Do you think flyover land will be safe? I don’t. Zombies with guns. LOL”
I would rather be where I am at in the flyover than in the populated coastal centers. We cooperate here and we have guns. That is a good combination. I sure and the hell am glad I am not in Manila with 20MIL hungry desperate Filipinos hunting for stew meat.
Davy on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 10:35 am
“Look, I don’t give a damn if you are going to frame me as Hollywood Natzi.”
You are definitely a Eurotard bragging about nothing and cutting my country down any chance you get. That makes your credibility very lacking. Anyone practicing makatism with hazing and praising is intellectually a coward and lazy with the truth.
GregT on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 11:24 am
Andre has a red flag, Chiang Ching’s is blue
They all have hills to fly them on except for Lin Tai Yu
Dressing up in costumes, playing silly games
Hiding out in tree-tops shouting out rude names
Whistling tunes we hide in the dunes by the seaside
Whistling tunes we piss on the goons in the jungle
It’s a knockout
If looks could kill they probably will
In games without frontiers-wars without tears
Hubert on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 11:28 am
Chris Hedges Best Speech In 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycuw9Cvh6W4&t=333s
Dredd on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 12:02 pm
“We are looking more and more like France on the eve of its revolution in 1789.” – Kunstler
I think that is why President Trump went to the Bastille Day thingy.
He sees himself and Moochifer as those storming the D.C. Bastille (The Shapeshifters of Bullshitistan – 8).
Let’s call it Alt-Bastille …
Plantagenet on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 12:03 pm
Only 18 months until the Ds take back Congress.
Cheers!
Apneaman on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 12:45 pm
Hello, what culture heritage should Mexicans be faithful to? The part that came from Spain or the part that comes from their native ancestors or the new culture that was created somewhat organically based on a mixing of them and sweeping changes? Culture is not fixed. It is ever changing. How come Europeans are not bowing down to druids and shamans anymore and reading goat entrails? You have betrayed your culture evil doers. What about Christianity? A few hundred years ago y’all would have been banished or burned at the stake for publicly proclaiming your atheism – today it’s a matter of fact. All the northern and eastern euro tards seem to forget that the Greeks and Romans once considered your ancestors barbarians/less than and slaughtered them like cattle or in your case enslaved them. Yes you are probably a product of slavery and/or rape somewhere down the line – savage.
How much do you really know about Mexicans and their history? Ever read a book about them written by a historian? Ever been to the US SW? Ever talk to a Mexician? Ever meet and talk to a white American, white as a ghost, named Rodriguez? I have. Do you know that the American “cowboy” got most of his style and gear from Mexican vaqueros? Copied them and admired them. Did you know that 20-25% of all American cowboys were black? That ain’t in the movies, but the movies ain’t real.
My grand folks are from Europe, but so what? If it was so fucking great, then why did they come here? I wasn’t born there. I was born here, so why the fuck should I care about somewhere I’m not from? Do you worry about your way back African ancestors? How come there are so many euro tards with the cultural superiority memes on English speaking N American blogs? If everything is so superior in Europe then why are y’all here? Slumming? Sure thang. If y’all were really in love with all things euro and your ancestry you would never have learned English and would not be hanging out with the uncouth colonials, but you are. Isn’t that betraying your own culture?
Hello, the truth is there is no more real culture. And the single biggest factor in destroying it is corporate consumer capitalism, not migrants. What Globalization really means is the world and all the people in it have been homogenized. Multi national corporations usurped your culture and everyone else. Anyone from anywhere can go to any country and eat and drink the same corporate franken food and they do. Humans are just another product of global economies of scale.
boat on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 2:57 pm
ape,
I don’t care to know about Sweden but I still love potato sausage and Swedish pancakes. All the heritage I need to know. Culture and all that bs means nothing unless it tasts great.
On my moms side her heritage was little discussed. She grew up in Alabama and cooked great southern food, enough said..
JJHMAN on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 3:57 pm
I’m as white as possible. Blondish (what’s left) blue eyed, very white skin. We always thought we were Dutch and French.
Surprise, surprise, my sister started doing the genealogy thing and lo & behold: Savages!
Yep. It turns out that those Frenchies came from Canada and when they sailed to the new world they didn’t bring any Frenchie ladies. I have Iroquoi blood.
Race is an artificial construct. We are one people, our differences are smaller than nothing.
Apneaman on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 5:42 pm
boat, if one is curious about their ancestors then fine, have at er. It’s the highly insecure that need to hold it up like a back stage pass. This obsession is what losers who have no accomplishments (and a micro penis) of their own do. Hold up dead peoples accomplishments and try and look superior by association because they HAPPENED to be born in the same geographical region and nation state as some smart dude 200 years ago. It’s what ‘little men’ who are scared of the world do. Truth be told, I’m grateful (comparatively) to be born where and when I was, but it’s not an accomplishment. I won the genetic lottery even though I never bought a ticket. Other than the handful of monarchy alive right now, I have had better education, nutrition and health care than almost every king emperor, prince and princess who ever walked this earth. Many of them died of plague, syphilis, smallpox and a host of other diseases that even if I contracted could be fixed up with a doctors visit and a $10 round of antibiotics.
‘An antibiotic an antibiotic! My kingdom for an antibiotic!’
boat on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 6:24 pm
JJHMAN,
I agree 100 percent. I have never understood racism. I can see why there are clashes of ideology but that has more to do with where you were born and the enviornment your exposed to. Imigrants two generations later always do much better than their grandparents reguardless of culture or color of their skin.
Cloggie on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 10:11 pm
boat quotes:
“I don’t care to know about Sweden but I still love potato sausage and Swedish pancakes. All the heritage I need to know”
You are a parody of yourself.
“I have never understood racism”
GDP per capita
US 50k
Mali 1k
Good luck with paying all the bills under president Zuckerberg, like universal healthcare and basic income. Zuckerberg doesn’t understand racism either, or pretends not to do so.
Boat cares about eating and consuming only and absorbing messages from the Talmudbox in his livingroom. Boat is exactly the American as Soros and Apneaman likes to see them, easy to control.
Makati1 on Mon, 24th Jul 2017 10:25 pm
Davy thinks he is safe in flyover land because he haws guns. A lot of good that will be when a Molotov Cocktail lands on his roof some 3 AM when he is sleeping. He rushes outside and a shooter 1/4 mile away picks him off.
How many guns/shooters does it take to protect your property 24/7/365? A lot more than a few family members.
And, if you believe that those gangs are going to stay in the cities after the food is gone, you are just in deep denial. LMAO.
Davy on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 12:26 am
makati, 15,000 people live around me in my county that is 755 sq/mi. You live with 20MIL. Do the math dummy.
boat on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 1:04 am
clog,
I pay for my own housing, car, food, tv and health care. I don’t need universal shyt. If you don’t work for your shyt don’t expect shyt to be given to you. Btw how does one become a socialist Nazi. Selective handouts based on tribe?
Makati1 on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 2:47 am
Davy, give up. you have no basis for your assertions whereas, I have.
“St. Louis City has, as of April 2017, the second highest murder rate, per capita, in the USA, with 188 homicides in 2015 (59.3 homicides per 100,000).
St. Louis has a significantly higher homicide rate than the rest of the US for both whites and especially blacks and a higher proportion committed by males. As of October 2016, 7 of the homicide suspects were white, 95 black, 0 Hispanic, 0 Asian and only 1 female out of the 102 suspects.
In 2016, St. Louis was the most dangerous city in the United States with populations of 100,000 or more, ranking 1st in violent crime and 2nd in property crime. It was also ranked 6th of the most dangerous of all establishments in the United States—and East St. Louis—a suburb of the city itself was ranked 1st.” WIKI
“Approximately 1.4 million people were part of gangs as of 2011, and more than 33,000 gangs were active in the United States” WIKI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_the_United_States
How many minutes by vehicle are you from St. Louis? And, the gangs WILL have vehicles and fuel. LMAO
Cloggie on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 3:22 am
I pay for my own housing, car, food, tv and health care. I don’t need universal shyt.
Try to let it sink in: you are going to pay for tens of millions who DO need universal shyt. For Americans communism is around the corner, with white America as the new slaves. And the deep state will use historic slavery as a justification (“payback”).
And why? Because you have let yourself being indoctrinated by the Talmudbox in your living room that everybody is equal. Russia is post-communism and post-kosher and believes in itself.
Folks like you only believe in the US collective and how many carriers you have to terrorize the rest, but your own ethnicity is not worth to be protected and so you let yourself being overrun and calling everybody who resists that a “racist”.
Btw how does one become a socialist Nazi. Selective handouts based on tribe?
The Nazis were not about handouts, but about putting the Germans back to work again and refusing to pay the insane Versailles reparation payments in a war that was masterminded by the British and to get the German territories back again. That was it. And than the world’s serfs of the koshers came along and destroyed it all.
But those days are coming to and end. We in Europe are going to escape racial suicide. It is an open question if America can escape communism. It depends on the political will of European America to carry on the road of November 2016 and fight themselves into freedom from the Washingtonian Swamp and the readiness of the Europeans to come to the aid of the Europeans in North-America.
If that fails to materialize, Orwell will be proven right and Anglosphere will become Oceania from Orwell’s 1984.
Makati1 on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 4:07 am
BTW Davy, numbers of population is meaningless if they are not prone to violence. However, Americas ARE violence prone and oblivious to the reality they live in. Did you notice that in the above stats, there were ZERO murders by Asians?
“With more than 90 documented gangs active in the St. Louis area, and hundreds of Bloods and Crips already on the radar of local law enforcement, officials worry the recruitment boon will leave the area’s street gangs more dangerous than before.”
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/09/05/ferguson-recruitment-boon-gangs-265884.html
“ST. LOUIS, Mo. (KMOV.com) -The DEA says around 240 street gangs operate in the St. Louis area, making most of their money through the drug trade.”
You might note that they are well experienced with the use of firearms. Murder is common among them. They will take over when the SHTF and move out of the city as the supplies disappear, like locusts on farm crops. YOU are the one who should be concerned. Here, they will move south, to the wealthy areas, not into the jungles. LOL
Cloggie on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 4:25 am
“German economy euphoric”
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/ifo-geschaeftsklima-steigt-auf-allzeithoch-a-1159566.html
Best IFO business climate index in recorded history (1991).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM9_PrBoq9Q
#GoldenEuropeanDecadeNext
Cloggie on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 4:29 am
President Trump’s MASSIVE Speech To Record-Breaking Crowd @ Boy Scout Jamboree 7/24/17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Ge_HEeIuI
45,000 rally of “mostly young patriots”.
No wonder Bloomberg advises to accept Trump until 2020. Anything else would provoke a nasty reaction.
#DeepStateInDeepTrouble
Davy on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 5:27 am
“BTW Davy, numbers of population is meaningless if they are not prone to violence.”
Makati, so you are saying Asians are not violent? Review your history dumbass. Do the math makati that is what I am tell’in you. 20MIL verses 15,000 is the common denominator.
“ST. LOUIS, Mo. (KMOV.com) -The DEA says around 240 street gangs operate in the St. Louis area, making most of their money through the drug trade.”
There are dozen or so blocks in north St. Louis that are no go areas. They are infested with gangs. The rest of St Louis is relatively quiet. Quit being a drama queen. How does St Louis relate to my Flyover local with 755 sq/mi and 15,000 inhabitants? St Louis is 100MI away. Makati you are in the worst of the worst and acting like the best. What a delusional old man you are. I have not ever said I am safe but I am safer than you are that is for sure.
Davy on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 5:31 am
“Best IFO business climate index in recorded history (1991). #GoldenEuropeanDecadeNext”
LMFAO, somebody forgot his history. Do you remember what happen in the 20’s then the 30’s. Do you remember 29? A business climate index is a survey of sentiment not a concrete indicator of reality. More hype from the Eurotard.
Makati1 on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 6:39 am
St. Louis is 2 hours or less away, Davy. In a very mobile country like the U$ nowhere is going to be safe. You can try to bullshit your way out of your predicament, but it doesn’t matter in the long run. The farm is also 100 miles from the city, but it is 100 miles that will have to be traveled on foot or by carrabao, not 60+ mph interstate highway. And it is in an area that has nothing to attracty any looters. A relatively poor area.
You are living in the most dangerous country in the world today. You have millions of home grown ‘terrorists’ just waiting for the chance to run wild. Add in the millions on welfare that will lose it when the SHTF and you get riots and lawlessness big time. You don’t really think the police will go to work if their families are in danger and they are not getting paid, do you? Ditto for the military.
You have no idea what the people of the Ps are like. It is a totally different social setup. I have no fear of the people here. I will be out of the city before it could get serious. There is nothing in my condo that I would risk my life for. I can carry what I would take in a real emergency. Can you? I doubt it.
Keep trying, Davy, but you need some new ammunition besides numbers of people.
Davy on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 7:10 am
20MIL makati, do the math dumbass. Your Filipinos wonder people are just as violent makati. You will be so surprised as you are hauled off to be made into stew meat. I would love to see you try to get out of 20MIL Manila when SHTFF. You are trapped makati in a gauntlet of overpopulation. Oh, I know you are thinking you will run to the fantasy farm you are never at and will never get to. Makatism at it best.
Cloggie on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 7:11 am
LMFAO, somebody forgot his history. Do you remember what happen in the 20’s then the 30’s. Do you remember 29? A business climate index is a survey of sentiment not a concrete indicator of reality.
What has the 20’s, 30’s etc to do with now?!
You are so stuck in your collapse thinking that you have completely lost eye for reality. You are a cult member.
#Jonestown
That doesn’t mean that black swan events can’t happen. But they are fundamentally unpredictable, but you have factored them in as a certainty.
You have your entire private live modeled after the imagined dead certainty of collapse and now there is no way back for you (without major loss of face) than to see collapse in everything, including your tea leaves.
Greg, Makati, Apneaman and several others, same story.
Makati1 on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 7:18 am
Davy, you read too much U$ MSM propaganda. Sorry. You have no idea what the Ps is really like. The Ps will be fine when the U$ is a pile of worthless shit looking for a way to survive without plundering the rest of the world. That day is coming when you have to live on the 4% of the resources, not 25+%. The sooner the better.
Filipinos have a culture. The u$ has chaos. The Ps culture started thousands of years ago. The U$ is last week. So many differences.
boat on Tue, 25th Jul 2017 8:58 am
mak,
I don’t think you know how much of America lives. Our 1500 home subdivision has thousands of great trees, a big park, swimming pool, manicured lawns with a great golf course. Almost no crime to speak of. The downside is the foot traffic and bikes. That and the dozens of lawn maintenance crews underfoot. Chaos comes when a pet goes for an unscheduled romp.
Cloggie on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 4:03 am
Feeding the leftist “Chief Seattle crowd” with what they want to hear:
https://altright.com/2017/07/25/white-people-want-to-go-native-and-become-noble-savages/
Disclaimer: Chief Seattle was as tribal as you can get. You are sure you want to go there, leftie?
Our 1500 home subdivision has thousands of great trees, a big park, swimming pool, manicured lawns with a great golf course. Almost no crime to speak of. The downside is the foot traffic and bikes. That and the dozens of lawn maintenance crews underfoot.
And of course not a noble savage in sight, right, other than perhaps as a golf cart jockey? And continue to lecture the deplorables that they should accept strangers in their community, otherwise you are going to call them names. [vomit]
Davy on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 5:15 am
Cloggie, this is not a binary leftie/rightie thAng. Maybe someday you will mature spiritually but I doubt it because you are stuck in your European civilization thing. You are unable to acknowledge your European civilization thingie has destroyed a planet. Most intellectual sicknesses are like that with denial and self-love.
What people want is to be closer to pure and natural both physically and spiritually. It is a yearning deep within us for what was and is no more. I have a library full of Native American books. This yearning among many is mostly unrealistic because people don’t understand the way of life. It is not about a life more difficult. Some then live quite well and many today don’t. It was a physically demanding life but they were conditioned to it. Most would reconsider this pre-modern life if thrust into it just as the natives then reacted similarly when they were taken from their life into something foreign.
I would not. I would take the often shorter and harder but more “true to life” existence. I would be more in harmony with our planet than part of the plague tribe we moderns are. People then were part of something and had a place. Clog, you are so far into yourself with your techno visions of a future and your revisions of the past you can’t see this reality of the present. What we are talking is comfort within our skins in the here and now.
I am a modern and there is no going back to Chief Seattle. The best we can do is find a way back to some of the more important spiritual aspects of this earlier time. The respect these people had for nature and their culture. We have lost respect for nature, our fellow humans, and ourselves. It is all about “MOAR”. BTW I am not a Chief Seattle guy. I am a big Soldier guy because he lived and walk where I live and knew my land that was his land. He was an Osage and this is what he said to a white man who proposed his way of life:
“I see and admire your manner of living, your good warm houses, your extensive fields of corn, your gardens, your cows, own workhouses, wagons and a thousand machines that I know not the use of. I see that you are able to clothe yourselves even from weeds and grass. In short, you even do almost what you choose. You whites possess the power of subduing almost every animal to your use. You are surrounded by slaves. Everything about you is in chains, and you are slaves yourselves. I fear if I should exchange my pursuits for yours, I too should become a slave. Talk to my sons, perhaps they may be persuaded to adopt your fashions … but as for myself I was born free, was raised free and wish to die free”
What you miss cloggie is the concept of freedom. This is not freedom in the European sense to do as one pleases in the pursuit of liberty and happiness, this is in the sense of natural and true to oneself. Europeans force themselves on others because they feel they are right. Destroying a planet is wrong.
Cloggie on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 5:56 am
Cloggie, this is not a binary leftie/rightie thAng. Maybe someday you will mature spiritually but I doubt it because you are stuck in your European civilization thing.
It’s called loyalty and identity and self-preservation.
You are unable to acknowledge your European civilization thingie has destroyed a planet.
The planet is not “destroyed”, but the eco-system is indeed under dire threat, yes as an unintended consequence of industrial civilization. And the Europeans are those people who are on the planet the most serious about tackling the problem, where the European subdivision called America could care far less. So if you want to spray the epithet “sickness” around don’t forget your own country, those with the highest CO2-emissions per capita and (on a federal level) no intention to do anything about it. The rest of the planet is mainly busy copying European industrial civilization (China, Japan, Korea, Russia) or for those who can’t, attempt to invade into the white world (Muslims & Africans).
I see and admire your manner of living, your good warm houses, your extensive fields of corn…
I have explained before that these words were NEVER spoken by Chief Seattle. It is a total fabrication by a white libtard from New England in an attempt to frame the good Chief in the mold of a modern day ecologist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Seattle
(I dug into this before, but I can’t find back quickly the name of the New Englander from the seventies)
What you miss cloggie is the concept of freedom. This is not freedom in the European sense to do as one pleases in the pursuit of liberty and happiness
You are now attempting to glue a purely American phrase (“pursuit of liberty and happiness”) onto Europe. Get your history record straight.
Cloggie on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 6:05 am
Ah yes, Ted Perry.
http://www.humanecologyreview.org/pastissues/her71/71abruzzi.pdf
Through time and repeated textual revision, Chief
Seattle has been completely removed from the nineteenth
century social and political context within which he lived.
He has, instead, been fashioned and refashioned into successive,
politically correct versions of the white man’s Indian. Seattle was likely selected
because he demonstrated allegiance rather than opposition to whites. He had, in fact, converted to Roman Catholicism around 1830 (Kaiser 1987, 503) and was favorably disposed towards white settlement. Seattle never fought a war against the Americans and even sided with them during one Indian uprising… Chief Seattle has emerged as one of the premiere icons of Native American values for many whites seeking an alternate ecological perspective. Unfortunately, however, the
Chief Seattle known to most people is mostly fictional, a fabrication by whites for whites. This creation of a false Indian stereotype is hardly new.
Completely ridiculous political correct falsification from the seventies of the “noble savage”, directly derived from Jewish dominated American academia. In reality Chief Seattle was a traitor of the Indian cause and sought cooperation with the Americans for his own limited economic self-interest.
Davy on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 6:14 am
“So if you want to spray the epithet “sickness” around don’t forget your own country,”
The American dream is the worst of the Euro sicknesses. America is a Euro bastard child. You misses the point cloggie and are deflecting what you cannot deny. Your peoples filled this nation up and shaped it.
“You are now attempting to glue a purely American phrase (“pursuit of liberty and happiness”) onto Europe. Get your history record straight.”
Cloggie we are you and you are us. You can’t reject the product of your loins. European civilization pervades the modern and is the modern. It has been adapted and messaged but is still distinctly European phenomenon. The US is European. The rest of the other continents have adopted European globalism that was further shaped by a European influenced American Empire. These other places may have their cultures that are not European but our cooperative global effort is based on European constructs. You want to decouple your identity but are loath to own your crimes against the planet. You revise history but scratch out the bad European parts.
Makati1 on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 6:25 am
Cloggie, Davy has nothing to base his delusions of America’s supposed greatness on. By his reckoning, no one can possibly live in a better place than he does because the propaganda, for all of his life, has been telling him that there is no place better than the US. America’s swift decline is becoming too much to deny, although he tries.
Arrogance is a disease in America and insanity is spreading along with drug addiction, murders and other negatives making the news more and more. He tries to use the US MSM propaganda to make other places seem terrible, but doesn’t consider the source. He doesn’t seem to notice the way a country gets on the US’ shitlist, by refusing to kiss it’s ass, and suddenly becomes a bad place worthy only of derision and hate. The Ps is the most recent. Prez Duterte told the US to go to hell basically, and now the US sends in ISIS to cause trouble and I am sure we will see a color revolution in the near future in an attempt to destroy the P’s government.
That is why I say, the sooner the US collapse’ the better for the rest of the world. Tomorrow would be fine with me. Go for it!
Davy on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 6:29 am
“Completely ridiculous political correct falsification from the seventies of the “noble savage”, directly derived from Jewish dominated American academia. In reality Chief Seattle was a traitor of the Indian cause and sought cooperation with the Americans for his own limited economic self-interest.”
Cloggie, you are mistaking a fringe cultural writing and lame social movement for the well documented and studied scientific aspects of Native American history and culture. Maybe you don’t know what you are talking about. Do you have one Native American book in the vast library of revised Eurocentric history? This discussion is about a destroyed planet and what if anything Native American culture can offer us. It is not a binary discussion of who is better of which you always lapse into with your stupid European golden goose examples. Europe is always seen by you as the savior of humanity. The Europe that is leading the fake green effort to save the planet by more development and profit. Please spare me the propaganda and the drama. Own your crimes and demonstrate some humility as a people. I know you are too proud for that and are very upset about WWII. You know as you say “that was not our fault, it was the Americans. Spare me your BS and talk about things that are not so personal and emotional. This site is dedicated to American crimes and sins but they are your too. You can’t decouple from them won them. Be a real man and except you failings
Cloggie on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 7:41 am
Cloggie, Davy has nothing to base his delusions of America’s supposed greatness on.
There absolutely is such a thing as American Greatness. When I was a kid in 1960 I watched US television with awe. Everything America represented was great: cinema (westerns, Lassie, Flipper), huge cars, PanAm, cruise ships, culminating of course in the moon landing. America was the source of impressive things, something inapproachable, something build for all eternity. That sentiment lasted until roughly 2000, including conventional history interpretation.
But when you get older, you learn to see things in historic perspective.
My current skepticism with the American empire grew gradually from 2000. Initiation points were:
a) 9/11
b) third world mass immigration
It took me until 2004-2005 to understand that 9/11 was an “inside job”
In parallel I began to investigate the origins of multiculturalism and it didn’t take long until I arrived at the forbidden subject: The Tribe. American sources were a crucial: by 2004 I had read the complete Kevin MacDonald trilogy. From there it was a small step to historic revisionism, where the resources of the IHR were a great help.
Cloggie we are you and you are us. You can’t reject the product of your loins.
This is of course mostly true. The very fact that we are conversing for 5.5 years now is proof of that. I wouldn’t dream of registering on a Chinese English-language forum.
However and unfortunately, America is very much an anti-European project. The European settlers were determined to show the world that they were able to create something better:
https://altright.com/2017/07/04/the-land-of-milk-and-honey/
They fought an aggressive war against the Germany, the core of Europe, twice, a country that had done nothing to America.
Meanwhile my admiration for America from the sixties has largely vanished and I see America it for what it really is: a mortal threat for European identity (through the imposition of cultural marxism and mass migration) and the rest of the world. I now know that European America for a century has been the tool for the US kosher dominated deep state to attempt to bring the entire world under control. I know that the deep state tries to ram European America into minority status. And to my great satisfaction I see that large parts of European America now begins to revolt, which can only be good news for Europe.
Davy says he is European and I am not going to reject him as such. My prediction is that large parts of European America will eventually abandon exceptionalism as a youthful sin and acknowledge their own European heritage and become a little more modest in geopolitical aim setting and reconnect to Europe on a more equal footing.
Davy on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 8:11 am
Modest aims? Paris, Berlin, Moscow Empire, oops I mean confederation. Lol cloggie there is nothing at all modest about your vision of Europe.
GregT on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 11:09 am
A Paris, Berlin, Moscow alliance would be a stand against empire Davy. A multipolar world. Whether it comes to fruition or not remains to be seen. Some politicians would need to grow some balls.
Cloggie on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 11:32 am
Some politicians already have these required balls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gvbS09gN80
at 16:39 Putin says:
Francois Mitterrand spoke of a European confederation with Russia as a member. I think this opportunity still exists. We will have it in the future.
It was the position of General de Gaulle and president of France and my favorite 20th century politician by far:
http://www.paris-berlin-moscou.org/
Paris-Berlin-Moscou
“Moi je dis qu’il faut faire l’Europe avec pour base un accord entre Français et Allemands. (…) Une fois l’Europe faite sur ces bases (…), alors, on pourra se tourner vers la Russie. Alors, on pourra essayer, une bonne fois pour toutes, de faire l’Europe tout entière avec la Russie aussi, dut-elle changer son régime. Voilà le programme des vrais Européens. Voilà le mien”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ldd5mZrelU
And those Europeans in North-America can count on our solidarity.
The very fact that we have 1.3 billion IQ100 Chinese alone, rising to become the #1 super power of the 21st century, will simply dictate that the Europeans will unite. Paris-Berlin-Moscow minus UK = 640 million. Plus 100-150 million in North America makes 800 million aging Europeans. And then there are 1.5 billion Muslims, 1.5 billion Hindus and 1 billion Africans (4 billion by 2100).
The formula Paris-Berlin-Moscou + US heartland is the only way for our kind to survive. Next we can offer the Chinese to “run the planet” together with us. They will probably agree.
The world run by Han-Chinese and Europeans world-wide, not by US Jews. Sorry Apneaman, sorry George Soros.
Apneaman on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 11:47 am
Sorry Apneaman? Fucking retard must have missed the 1000 plus and on going anti empire comments and links I’ve posted since day 1. You must have also missed the 999 Davy posts bashing me for being the worst “anti American”. That you could not spot the obvious or choose to ignore it is further evidence of your disillusionment.
You won’t find a comment from me on the entire internet mentioning George Soros. You are the one obsessed with him whereas I know he, like all the others, is meaningless. Perhaps you wish you were him? Ah yes, the repression deal again. Hating that which you are envious of.
You need a vacation old man. I hear France is hot this time of year.
Wildfires Force Thousands to Evacuate in Southern France
“At least 10,000 people, including 3,000 campers, were evacuated overnight — some to beaches nearby — after a forest fire started near Bormes-les-Mimosas, a town on the Mediterranean coast, where the population surges with vacationers during the summer.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/world/europe/france-fires-evacuation.html
Run little cancer monkeys run.
Cloggie on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 11:59 am
Sorry Apneaman? Clogmeister must have missed the 1000 plus and on going anti empire comments and links I’ve posted since day 1.
You never did, you were bashing Americans all day, not your empire. The very European Americans your lot tries to ram into minority position since 1965. And you constantly gloated that the US empire carried away the victory over Europe.
Davy was right in calling you anti-American. He was wrong in identifying you as a “Canadian”, regardless if you have a (in your case) meaningless Canadian passport.
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Apneaman on Tue, 28th Feb 2017 10:58 am
Davy on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 12:38 pm
Ape you are the King of the dumbass anti-Americans and tied with you dork buddy makati. Do you want an award? You also get the award for the foulest mouth and crudest adolescent sexual innuendo. You post too friggen much and have a clog obsession that is worn out. But other than that I like you.
Apneaman on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 1:14 pm
Clog,I would say I’m flattered that you save my posts (print them, frame them and hang them on your wall too, I bet), but since many millions do all over the inter-tubes, I’m not. Fame and adoration get boring after awhile like everything else.