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Kunstler: Stranger Things
The hidden agenda in the so-called tax reform bill is to act as stop-gap quantitative easing to plug the “liquidity” hole that is opening up as the Federal Reserve (America’s central bank) makes a few gestures to winding down its balance sheet and “normalizing” interest rates. Thus, the aim of the tax bill is to prop up capital markets, and the apprehension of this lately is what keeps stocks making daily record highs. Okay, sorry, a lot to unpack there.
Primer: quantitative easing (QE) is a the Federal Reserve’s weasel phrase for its practice of just creating “money” out of thin air, which it uses to buy US Treasury bonds (and other stuff). The Fed buys this stuff through intermediary Too Big To Fail banks which allows them to cream off a cut and, theoretically, pump the “money” into the economy. This “money” is the “liquidity.” As it happens, most of that money ends up in the capital markets. Stocks go up and up and bond yields stay ultra low with bond prices ultra high. What remains on the balance sheets are a shit-load of IOUs.
The third round of QE was officially halted in 2014 in the USA. However, the world’s other main central banks acted in rotation — passing the baton of QE, like in a relay race — so that when the US slacked off, Japan, Britain, the European Central Bank, and the Bank of China, took over money-printing duties. And because money flies easily around the world via digital banking, a lot of that foreign money ended up in “sure-thing” US capital markets (as well as their own ). Mega-tons of “money” were created out of thin air around the world since the near-collapse of the system in 2008.
And magically, with no negative consequences! Yet. Now, Europe and Japan are making noises about dropping their batons. China’s banking system is so opaque and perverse — because it is unaccountable except to the ruling party with its own agenda — that it’s quite impossible to tell what they are really doing, though the signs of mal-investment are obvious and startling. And the UK’s finances are tied up in its messy divorce proceedings with the EU (with the British standard of living dropping markedly meanwhile). In short, the torrent of global “liquidity” looks to be slowing to a trickle.
The expectation is that this would make stock markets go down and bond interest rates to go up (fewer buyers), perhaps a lot. The dirty open secret here is that these central bank interventions are the only means for keeping the capital markets up, and that the markets are just a Potemkin false front for Western economies that are drying up and blowing away. That is certainly the experience here in the USA, where banking hocus-pocus now accounts for about 30 percent of GDP, and most of that activity is either out-and-out fraud or swindling, or collecting rents and dividends on past frauds and swindles.
Dem/Prog America in its Silicon Valley gourmet employee bistros and Hamptons lawn parties thinks that the flyover Trumpist Red State world of meth, joblessness, and anomie is some kind of a Netflix hallucination. But no, it’s for real. The center of the ole US of A is hollowed out. The bad news is that it probably has enough juice left in its disaffected youth, and certainly enough weaponry, to start a very serious insurrection if it continues to get dissed.
Enter the joker in the deck: Bitcoin. Though it pulled back a couple of thou overnight, this strange investment vehicle blasted through $18,000-per-Bitcoin in the past 24 hours, roughly tripling from $6000 in one month. It even endured the hacking of one of its exchanges, NiceHash, where $70 million was looted without so much as a stutter in the upward thrust of the chart. Whatever else Bitcoin is — and I would suggest a “Ponzie,” a “mania,” a “con” — this thing is a message. The message is that financial circulatory system of the global economy is in some kind of distress. Another take-away is that the rush into Bitcoin represents a loss of faith in matrix of rackets that world banking has become, and a flight to perceived safety in a putative financial instrument beyond the clutches and the lying propaganda of nervous, self-interested governments.
For the moment, Bitcoin is doing the job that gold used to do: indexing the loss of value in paper currencies and the things that affect to represent them. Except that Bitcoin has no material reality. It is a figment of mathematics. The vaunted blockchain “technology” is just a formula for packaging information and assigning it to live in various places. It appears to have some worth as a ledger system, for keeping track of accumulated value in an allegedly transparent and honest mode. But the thing it is toting up and sending chits around the world for — Bitcoin — has no value in and of itself.
If “money” can be said to represent a future claim on work, or energy, or things that they produce, then Bitcoin is not money at all because it only represents energy burned in the computer exertions necessary to “mine” the Bitcoins. In other words, it costs a lot of energy to create Bitcoins, and there’s no claim on future energy, or work — it’s already gone. That energy use is catching the world’s attention and is beginning to look pretty profligate. Like, if Bitcoin happened to shoot up over $100,000-per-unit, it would hog an unseemly portion of the worlds electric power.
Anyway, that’s only one interpretation of the Bitcoin rush. In the end, I believe it’s simply telling us that the global financial system is headed for some serious trouble. It is vectoring right smack into the same lane as the gathering political crisis in the US government, as a fight to death between Donald Trump and his adversaries comes darkly into view.
120 Comments on "Kunstler: Stranger Things"
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 5:56 am
“The Missouri goat herder is bleating again. Couldn’t hack being a real farmer and dealing with the real world that doesn’t give a shit about who he is or thinks he is.”
So translation is I am right you do not farm and know nothing about farming. You are never at the fantasy farm. You spend your days in the westernized part of Manila railing against the western world. LMFAO. That means you are talking about yourself. What a twisted and corrupted old man in pre dementia.
You know nothing about animal husbandry. I have cattle and goats in a grazing system. It is all about using animals in a mix and a rotation to fully utilize pasture without the use of chemicals and heavy equipment. You would not know that hence your derogatory comments on goats. You are always talking up the poor subsistence farmers of Asia. Do you realize Asia as a huge population of goats? Nope, because you live in Makati, Manila which is little different than NYC. You are just a fake and a blowhard. I constantly see the end of your comments “Are you prepared”. You are in the worst possible spots in the world in regards to overshoot. The very worst in terms of population density on an Island with nowhere to go. IOW, you are screwed, blued, and tattooed. Not to mention you are an old man in a 3rd world country without health insurance. The first major health problem and you are SOL. Did you forget I am supposed to be ignored? What did I say that got under your skin and got you to forget I am on your ignore list. LMFAO
joe on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 8:06 am
It’s funny that those who claim to be european here are coming across as anything but. I doubt cloggie is european let alone even Dutch. I think he lies about who he is and his disgusting racist attitude and support for nazis and the support for the racist neo-nazis claims that Hitler was forced into war shows he is out of touch with modern European liberalism which of course has its head in the sand over Europe’s speedy islamisation……
GregT on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 10:14 am
Delusionalist,
Do mommy and daddy know that you somehow managed to get ahold of another cellphone? Was that an agreed upon part of the ‘arrangement’? What would your ‘therapist’ have to say about that, if she ever found out?
Cloggie on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 10:14 am
Erdogan calls Israel terror state:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/israel-recep-tayyip-erdogan-bezeichnet-israel-als-terrorstaat-a-1182613.html
I doubt cloggie is european let alone even Dutch.
Mr Idiocracy Anonymouse1 thinks I am a jew.
The betting is on.
For more saner people, I was born in the south of the Netherlands, from parent with 400 years and more Saxon-Dutch ancestors (Eastern Netherlands).
Unlike you joe, I care about my country and Europe, have studied why it goes down the drain and arrive at the outcome of WW2, a sequel of WW1, both Anglo-Zionist instigated.
Fortunately we have Russia and China to stop the Anglo-Zionists.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-09-27/america-s-new-world-order-is-officially-dead
The only question remains how to bury you politically and bring back the center of political gravity back to Eurasia so we can close down the US and start a new round table organization somewhere half-way China and Europe (Kazakhstan?), now with all people involved rather than the winners of WW2.
The world of the 21st century will be multipolar a la Samuel Huntington and dominated by Greater Europe and China.
Sorry about that, joe.
Oh and thanks joe, for stepping out of the way on exactly the right moment.
#Brexit
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5164153/Britain-end-paying-EU-100bn-warns-ex-minister.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5164429/Labours-Starmer-hints-backing-new-EU-referendum.html
Good luck with your Muslims:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uTiANSbg8ss/maxresdefault.jpg
It is going to be dark in London after all the Euro’s will have left.
But hey, no worries, perhaps you can buddy up with the Iranians:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/10/boris-johnson-ends-iran-visit-jailed-briton-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe
Cloggie on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 10:17 am
Typo, should be: “so we can close down the UN“
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 10:35 am
Extremist, are you capable of saying something? It has been days since you said anything of substance. You are just a waste of our time. When I translate your above comment I get a mental stuttering imbecile stuck in obsessive compulsiveness of a stalking and pricking IOW an anti-American troll. You are the one that acknowledges the therapist. What does she say about your dysfunctional behavior?
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 10:37 am
dutchy start referencing the words to your links so we are know what you are saying they are saying is what they are saying. You are such a friggin manipulator of the narrative.
GregT on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 10:54 am
The cellphone is obviously becoming problematic again delusionalist. Your obsession with it is not only taking time away from all of that work that needs to be done around their farm, it is also adversely affecting your mental health. Again. You’d think that all 4 of you would have figured that out the last time you went nutters.
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 10:58 am
extremist does your wife know you are losing it? I wonder if you even have a wife and kids. Maybe you are in an institution as we speak. Who knows but you are a shell of the person you once were just a few years ago. SICK
GregT on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 11:09 am
Lots to wonder about delusionalist. For all you know, I could be that neighbour that you pissed off a couple of summers back. Ring a bell, buddy?
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 11:15 am
extremist buddy are you that lost in your own unreality? did I kick your ass that bad mentally and intellectually that you are now fixated on me? wow, and you want to be treated with respect.
GregT on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 12:33 pm
More delusions of grander, with a little bit of paranoia mixed in to top it off.
Coo-coo.
GregT on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 12:49 pm
“Crop failure turned me to goats.”
I though you said it was due to poor farming practices delusionalist, and losing so much of mommy and daddy’s money?
Now you’re blaming your own failures on plants? Hilarious.
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 12:56 pm
Extremist, are you hearing voices?
MASTERMIND on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 1:05 pm
Nobel Peace Prize winner Ican warns nuclear war ‘a tantrum away’
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42298453
GregT on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 1:55 pm
“Extremist, are you hearing voices?”
Come to think of it, yes, I am hearing voices. That tends to happen on occasion when a man is married.
How’s about you delusionalist? Heard any voices lately, other than the ones on TV?
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 2:01 pm
“Currently sitting by the pool eating Poke, and sipping on a Kona Brewing Co. Castaway India Pale Ale. Greetings from Milolii Hi. Our house is on the south side of the subdivision, 1 mile north of the Village, 6 house from the water. The one with the pool.”
GregT on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 2:25 pm
“Greg, I was walking on the beach in the Bahamas yesterday with a temp of 84 degrees. Later I foraged for papaya and coconut. Now I am back in Missouri with the temps heading to 10 degrees. Well at least here in the cabin the wood stove is hot.”
“Greg, I will Google earth your position to see where you are. Drink some local coffee for me. Kona beans are my favourite.”
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 2:32 pm
I have a law enforcement friend who says he can ask the owners of that house who stayed there 4 years ago. You know becuase of an on going investigation.
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 2:36 pm
Sorry, 3 years ago. That should make it easier.
GregT on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 4:13 pm
That house used to be owned by close family friends delusionalist. It has since been sold.
Dooma on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 4:31 pm
Yeah Davy, you are always correct.
As usual your response to the complete environmental destruction of an inhabited Island is to just ignore it completely. Make a comment about it please? Instead of resorting to name calling. Dumba?? I mean really is that the best you can come up with?
You wouldn’t have a clue what comes out of my country without Google. According to your posts you are a top bloke. Without fault. It must be great to be so intelligent you oxygen stealing fat sack of shit.
You may think I’m a cunt but unlike you I am not a fucking cunt.
Come on, comment on the issue of dumping radioactive waste with no concern for the surrounding environment. To timid to do it? Nah…you have a big mouth. Should be no trouble at all.
Please?
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 4:47 pm
grehg, if you are wanting to know more about me then I would like to know more about you. Isn’t that fair or does your double standards apply?
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 4:49 pm
Shut up dumba, you are such a blowhard.
Makati1 on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 5:27 pm
Davy is the perfect example of why the US is in the shitter. Low morals, education and IQ. Greedy to the hilt. Spoiled. Arrogant. And … clueless.
But fun to poke with a stick and watch him react with his school yard bully persona.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 5:35 pm
The Great Depression 1929-1940 Economic Growth 1% GDP
2006-2017 Economic Growth 1.5% GDP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression
http://www.history.com/topics/great-depression
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression#/media/File:US_GDP_10-60.jpg
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth-annual
We are in another Great Depression right now..You have to stand in awe of the media for convincing the majority of Americans the economy is doing great. They just keep pointing to the stock market and the fake employment data. And fake news does the rest…
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 5:35 pm
Mad kat, did I peg you good earlier because you just faded away. You usually do that when you been neutered. Your copy and paste puke above means nothing. It is the same vomit different day.
DerHundistlos on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 5:38 pm
@ Joe
Germany WAS forced into war. Yes, the elites have successfully molded public opinion to believe peace-loving and weak little Poland was attacked by an ever-marauding National Socialist Germany. This is a convenient and oversimplified understanding of history that supports the elite narrative.
Are you aware that numerous diplomatic efforts were made by the German government to defuse the ever more dangerous situation the two countries were facing? These efforts were ALL rejected by Poland. One of them comes to mind: on January 6th, 1939, the German Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop met with the Polish Foreign Minister Josef Beck in Munich to discuss the differences between the two countries. Von Ribbentrop proposed the following solution: the return of Danzig to Germany. In return, all of Poland’s economic interests in this region would be guaranteed, and most generously at that. Germany would be given access to her province of East Prussia by means of an extraterritorial highway and rail line. In return, Germany would guarantee the Corridor and the entire Polish status, in other words, a final and permanent recognition of each nation’s borders.
Even worse, Poland was involved in a scheme of ethnic cleansing Germans from Polish territory. Those Germans who were able to flee (400.000) with just the clothes on their back to Germany were the lucky ones. Some 55,000 ethnic Germans (German authorities claimed 78,000 murdered Germans!) were murdered, often under the most bestial circumstances. A German mother grieving for her sons wrote on October 12th, 1939: “Oh, but that our dear boys [her sons] had to die such terrible deaths. 12 people were lying in the ditch, and all of them had been cruelly beaten to death. Eyes gouged out, skulls smashed, heads split open, teeth knocked out… little Karl had a hole in his head, probably from a stabbing implement. Little Paul had the flesh torn off his arms, and all this while they were still alive. Now they rest in a mass grave of more than 40, free at last of their terror and pain.”
The British government issued Poland a guarantee that England would come to its aid if Poland should be attacked. This was on March 31st, 1939. Its purpose was to incite Poland to escalate its endeavors for war against Germany (as the US did with Georgia to attack South Ossetia vis a vi the Russians). It happened as planned: England declared war on Germany on September 3rd, 1939, but not on the Soviet Union who also attacked Poland, and this is proof enough that it was England’s intention in the first place to make war on Germany. Thus WW2 was arranged by a complicity between Britain and Poland. It was not Hitler’s war, it was England’s and Poland’s war. The Poles were merely the stooges. Some of them knew it too – Jules Lukasiewicz, the Polish ambassador to Paris, for instance, who on March 29th, 1939 told his foreign minister in Warsaw:
“It is childishly naive and also unfair to suggest to a nation in a position like Poland, to compromise its relations with such a strong neighbour as Germany and to expose the world to the catastrophe of war, for no other reason than to pander to the wishes of British domestic policies. It would be even more naive to assume that the Polish government did not understand the true purpose of this manoeuver and its consequences.”
Freda Utley wrote in 1945 after she visited destroyed Germany:
“War propaganda has obscured the true facts of history, otherwise Americans might realize that the German record is no more aggressive, if as aggressive, as that of the French, British and Dutch who conquered huge empires in Asia and Africa while the Germans stayed at home composing music, studying philosophy, and listening to their poets. Not so long ago the Germans were, in fact, among the most ‘peace-loving’ peoples of the world and might become so again, given a world in which it is possible to live in peace.”
GregT on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 5:40 pm
Why do you feel the need to constantly stir up so much shit with everyone here delusionalist. Is your life really that boring and meaningless?
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 5:44 pm
Shut up grehg you prick. All you do is stalk and prick Americans. Look at your own self once in a while. When is the last time you said anything? You are here to exclusively stir up shit with Americans you hate. Give me a break.
GregT on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 6:07 pm
Hate is a useless human emotional state, and it makes absolutely zero difference to me which tax farm you were born into.
Are you completely incapable of at least making some attempt at getting along with others?
Davy on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 6:14 pm
Grehg, are you bargaining with yourself in an attempt to feel respectable? Your behavior is the true test and it is bad.
Makati1 on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 6:25 pm
Greg, Davy is a lost cause. Best ignored or, if you choose to reply to every one of his rants, go for it. I get tired of trying to educate him. It would be easier to teach his goats how to do calculus.
I reply to a few of his delusions, but it only angers him when it doesn’t upset me. I just laugh at his pathetic attempts. lol
I bet his neighbors wish he would just move away.
Makati1 on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 6:29 pm
MM, we finally agree on something. I’m looking out the window to see if it is snowing in Manila. Americans have no clue about real history. Too much propaganda and bullshit.
Cloggie on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 8:10 pm
Wow Loose Hound, what took you so long?
Agree with most, except for this one:
“Thus WW2 was arranged by a complicity between Britain and Poland”
Chamberlain did NOT want war, neither did the French and certainly not the Germans. The fact that after September 3 and the British-French war declaration nothing happened for 8 months…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War
…is enough proof.
Eventually it was Churchill, in the pay of US jews, who got the war started in Norway by attempting to cut off iron ore supply from Narvik to Germany, which again forced.
Also I do not think that 55,000 Germans were killed by the Poles, certainly not before the war. But it is true that the Poles had begun to ethnically cleanse Germans from Versailles-Poland and that by September 1, 100,000 Germans had fled into Germany proper and more were to come. And THAT was what really triggered Hitler to invade, not this insane alllied acquisation that Germany wanted to “conquer the world”.
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/chamberlain-and-the-forrestal-diaries/
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/justice-jackson-has-to-admit/
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/churchill-brought-the-war-to-scandinavia-in-1940/
This should worry Americans most: Russia could be willing to reveal the truth about WW2 in return for favors from Europa, namely being recognized by Europe as a major European country:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/5445161/Russia-accuses-Poland-of-starting-Second-World-War.html
Now with Brexit and the formidable rise of China, this is a realistic opportunity.
DerHundistlos on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 9:13 pm
@ Clogged
What took me so long? Apparently, you have not read my earlier posts. The information I post has always remained consistent. I seek the truth. Anecdotal information comes from my family members who lived through this. While you may not “believe” 55.000 ethnic Germans were killed by Poles, then you need to read German archival records. if you have credible information to the contrary, then I want to review the information; however, a “belief” does not constitute compelling evidence.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 10:05 pm
If we go to war with North Korea the Republicans will surely institute another draft..It would be a great way to get all those young people who are in dead end jobs or living with their parents into the labor force and could help increase our economic growth. And they could get rid of some of those useless eaters on welfare…Wall Street could be using that welfare money to invest… ( I bet someone is thinking this)
MASTERMIND on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 10:08 pm
Cloggie
Why do you keep spamming this blog with your insane holocaust denial garbage? Why don’t you go to alex jones website or godlike productions or some other conspiratorial loon website..I am not trying to make you leave I am just curious what the hell peak oil and collapse have to do with WW2 and Nazi germany? And nobody here even listens to what you say or gives a rats ass..
Makati1 on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 10:18 pm
MM, you may be correct, but it will also get Russia and China involved and end the US way of life. Consider that all electronics come from that part of the world and they will end, perhaps forever.
Also:
“Pentagon: 7 in 10 Youths Would Fail to Qualify for Military Service”
http://time.com/2938158/youth-fail-to-qualify-military-service/
“Pentagon: Young Adults Too Fat, Tattooed, Uneducated for Military”
https://www.newsmax.com/US/americans-unfit-military-enlist/2014/06/28/id/579805/
” Only one-in-four Americans fit to serve in the military ”
https://www.rt.com/usa/military-service-fit-american-449/
Etc… Does not look good for the US. Fat, dumb, druggie snowflakes using obsolete weapons in a place that beat the shit out of Americans when it was a strong nation in the 50s. No chance now.
Not to mention that I think a US draft would end the US before it ever got to Korea. The US is a powder keg waiting to blow. That would light the fuse. The US economy would collapse. The 60s riots would seem like a picnic in the park in comparison.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 10:39 pm
Madkat
How do you know Russia and China will step in to protect North Korea? They didn’t last time we went to war their. And I doubt if the US thought they would be tagged teamed by those two that they would engage North Korea.. I think you might be reaching a bit to assume that much…
GregT on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 11:20 pm
“If we go to war with North Korea the Republicans will surely institute another draft”
“They didn’t last time we went to war their.”
Definition of We
1 : I and the rest of a group that includes me : you and I : you and I and another or others : I and another or others not including you
2 : 1i —used by sovereigns —used by writers to keep an impersonal character
3 : you 1 —used coaxingly We don’t want to wake our guests, do we?, encouragingly We are looking much better this morning., or in sarcasm A little snippy, are we?
Which definition of we are you using MM? Did you go to war with North Korea the last time? Are you going to go to war this time if it does happen?
Just looking for a bit of clarification, because unless you are/were involved, what you are saying doesn’t make any sense.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 11:31 pm
GregT
We as in America since I am an American..You dumb Canadian bloat…EHHH
Antius on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 11:34 pm
North Korea is a Chinese distraction, born out of weakness not strength:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/in-china-a-strategy-born-of-weakness_us_59666720e4b0524d8fa7fa5e
GregT on Sun, 10th Dec 2017 11:45 pm
“We as in America since I am an American..You dumb Canadian bloat…EHHH”
Did you not broadcast to everyone here that you think that you are smart MM?
Apparently, not so much.
Makati1 on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 12:23 am
MM, better review your history.
“…late on the twenty-sixth Chinese forces struck again on the Eighth Army�s right flank, with the goal of exploiting the collapse of the ROK II Corps while attempting to flank the entire Eighth Army from the east. Attacking heavily in the east and center sections of the UN line, the Chinese threw five field armies into the fight while sending another against the 24th Division to the west on a holding mission…The initial warning attacks and diplomatic hints by the Chinese were ignored by the overconfident Far Eastern Command under General MacArthur.”
https://history.army.mil/brochures/kw-chinter/chinter.htm
“The Korean War was a war between North Korea (with the support of China and the Soviet Union) and South Korea (with the principal support of the United States).”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
Both have already recently indicated their support for North Korea if the US attacks. Do you doubt them? Theyv’e been there and done that already. Neither Russia or China want another American controlled country on their doorstep.
Makati1 on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 12:25 am
Greg, I think MM is a cousin of the goat herder. They are so much alike, they could be joined at the ass. Arrogant, delusional, and stupid.
GregT on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 12:40 am
Not all Americans agree with them Makati, and a few, at least, predicted the complete devision of American society quite some time ago.
United we stand, divided we fall. Us, or we in this instance, against them. The idiots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNKgF05F18w
Makati1 on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 1:24 am
Greg, I know that there are good people in the US, but unfortunate for them, there seem to be many more like Davy and MM. The term “snowflake” is very appropriate. They will melt when the real heat of change hits them. Americans have lived pampered lives for too long. They do not know how to ‘cope’.
GregT on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 2:13 am
“I am not trying to make you leave I am just curious what the hell peak oil and collapse have to do with WW2 and Nazi germany? And nobody here even listens to what you say or gives a rats ass..”
Have you actually taken the time to consider what Cloggie has to say, or are you blindly following what somebody else told you?
A smart person would explore all avenues before coming to any conclusions ,and would not simply believe what he was told. There is always more than one side to a story.
Makati1 on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 3:09 am
Greg, MM is not an intelligent person. He seems to only be a smart ass pretending to intelligence.
A very closed mind, if he has one. He seems more like a frustrated college dropout living in mom’s basement.
The internet gives most of us a whole world of thought and ideas to explore. Some only use it for porn and fluff articles from the US MSM propaganda department, not for an exploration of the real world outside the US Iron Curtain. He has internet access so there is no excuse for his ignorance other than a narrow, brainwashed mind.
Maybe he doesn’t know that WW2 was fought mostly for resource control and $$$, not ideology. Just like the ME ‘wars’ of today. Oh, that’s right, he claims to have superior intelligence and some piece of paper agreeing with him so he ‘knows’. LMAO