Kunstler: Into the Cold and Dark

51 Comments on "Kunstler: Into the Cold and Dark"

makati1 on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 8:19 am 



The US “news” is so full of red herrings (distractions) that it smells like a fish market.

“About the only thing one can say for sure is that the American life which emerges from this maelstrom will not look a whole lot like what we’re living in today. I remain serenely convinced that when it finally passes, the air will be fresh again and the sun will shine, and a lot more people will know what is real and what is not.”

And the population of the US will be a lot smaller.

joe on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 8:20 am 



So far the only thing the system has been able to achieve is to roll out a mummfying Hillary still waiting for ‘her turn’ and an alzheimers looking Dubya who can barely speak saying he’s still upset that Trump made Jeb piss his pants at the first real challange he ever got in his life. No sir, Globalism is finished because China won the globalisation war. We are racing to the bottom of the wages pile while the rich encourage higher prices and higher interest rates, increasing poverty and welfare handouts. The vicious cycle of begger my neighbour will be the post Brexit war of currencies as the Germans are forced to pay for Europe and accept a stronger Euro too boot. How else will Poland accept 1,000,000 muslims refugees?

Dredd on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 9:11 am 



Yep.

American Feudalism

Sissyfuss on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 10:09 am 



Man cannot be separate from Nature but continues to believe he can live in an anaceptic germ free surrounding with an ever increasing bounty of resources. Limits to Growth and overshoot lead us all to dead ends in every direction. Trump, Brexit, and the altright are desperate attempts to find something that will stick to the wall. The bandaids of renewables and fusion dreams are distractions at best and venal denials at worst. Don’t tell your children about the birds and the bees because they’re both going extinct. It is what happens when man tries to separate himself from Nature.

Davy on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 10:19 am 



Sis, nature is cyclical but humans are linear. That tells you how the anthropocene will end.

Cloggie on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 11:38 am 



And the population of the US will be a lot smaller.

Like after the 1991 crash of the USSR, namely precisely 0.

The good news is that life in Russia in 2017 is a lot better than in the USSR of 1990. A lot better.

The vicious cycle of begger my neighbour will be the post Brexit war of currencies as the Germans are forced to pay for Europe and accept a stronger Euro too boot. How else will Poland accept 1,000,000 muslims refugees?

Don’t exaggerate the importance of Brexit for EU funding, you are only #9 (per capita) over the past 15 years:

https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2016/50/netherlands-largest-net-contributor-eu-this-century

Oh and Eastern-Europe is not going to accept Muslims invaders and their voice is only getting stronger.

Cloggie on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 11:53 am 



The new Dutch government has been introduced and could be described as contemporary: few women, no foreigners.

https://nos.nl/data/image/2017/09/19/418251/xxl.jpg

The steps of the palace are being prepared for the final inauguration. Take note, the guy doing the vacuum cleaning is NOT the king, although he is dressed like one.

The PM Mark Rutte…

https://nos.nl/data/image/2017/10/19/425464/xxl.jpg

… was beign accused of having “no vision”.

Rutte’s response: “vision is a matter for an ophthalmologist to deal with”.

onlooker on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 12:20 pm 



Well said Sissy about Nature and Humans. So if someone still thinks the Economy is more important than the Environment, well trying holding your breath while counting your money haha.

Cloggie on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 12:56 pm 



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/opinion/sunday/the-west-and-what-comes-after.html

The West and What Comes After

But in the European case I don’t necessarily believe that it will prevail. I certainly don’t believe in Trump as its paladin — not when his entire career makes a mockery of faith, family, tradition, virtue. Nor do I have much confidence that the present burst of European nationalism is more than a spasm, a reflex… What’s more, I can read the population projections for Europe versus the Middle East and Africa, which make ideas like “managed migration” and “careful cultural exchange” seem like pretty conceits that 21st-century realities will eventually explode.

Some realism from the NYT. Not much faith that the West will continue to exist, not in its present form.

Cloggie on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 1:07 pm 



Massive 33% victory of the Czech populist right:

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wahl-in-tschechien-populist-andrej-babis-liegt-vorne-a-1174062.html

First comment by Andrej Babis after his victory: “we are pro-Europe”.

Apneaman on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 1:22 pm 



19 Have Died From Massive Outbreak of Hepatitis A in San Diego

“Hepatitis A is a liver infection caused by a highly contagious virus. The most common outbreaks come from food contamination, but according to the AP, the surge currently being experienced in California is caused by a strain rare in the United States that is spread by contact with fecal matter.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/18/california_is_experiencing_the_second_worst_hepatitis_a_outbreak_in_the.html

It’s been argued that sanitation & personal hygiene plus proper nutrition cradle to grave is (was?) the main reason westerners are healthier and longer lived. Still longer lived, but not looking too healthy and most of the problems are diseases/disorders of modernity. None greater than the humans evolutionary programing to gorge on fat, sugar salt.

We Are Programmed for Gluttony and Weight Gain
Along with many other animals, humans are hard-wired for obesity.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beastly-behavior/201710/we-are-programmed-gluttony-and-weight-gain

No one understands this better than all the Phd’s the Franken food industry hires.

The humans are easily manipulated when you understand what makes them tick.

makati1 on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 7:00 pm 



Ap, I appreciate your posts as I try to keep up with events that affect me and mine. I think that Hep A is only the beginning as diseases move north and resistance breaks down due to bad diet and sloth.

Gene programing wasn’t obvious during most of civilization’s thousands of years, so I disagree somewhat. Genetics is a relatively new science. They have a bit of understanding about how the genes work and think they know it all. Especially PhDs.

Americans do have a serious brainwashing problem that most of them do not even suspect. They are “programed” (TV) from birth to consume junk food and to have a poor diet. Add in the lost need to actually do physical work (cars/riding mowers/etc.) Some can never shake that conditioning. That will only make the end even more painful. America is committing suicide by mouth. Food problems only happen where there is an over abundance. That is in selected places, not worldwide.

DerHundistlos on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 7:06 pm 



Are insects capable of demonstrating a loving attachment?

The Amazing Case of a Man and the bees:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Xkxmpbm1M

Davy on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 7:09 pm 



Mad katter, do you appreciate this part of a post from ape today:

“The financial cost of pollution-related death, sickness and welfare is $5.9 trillion annually
The worst affected countries are in Asia and Africa, with India topping the list”

makati1 on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 7:27 pm 



BTW Davy, that “list” is bought and paid for by the US. Why is the US not included, pointing out how great it is? Answer: Because it is just as bad and maybe worse. The pollution in America is just invisible and easily covered up. No foggy pics to post. Just invisible death in the air, food and water. Read the labels on your grocery food stuffs for a real picture of American pollution. Chemicals, GMOs, sugars and salt in abundance. Take a big drink of water from your local stream, if you dare. I wouldn’t.

Davy on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 7:32 pm 



Mad katter, pollution in Asia is off the charts in many areas and you know it. It is bad in the US but nothing like your part of the world.

Cloggie on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 2:23 am 



Yesterday hundreds of thousands went to the streets in Barcelona to promote independence. Perhaps they should fire up their browser first and google “Grozny ruins” to grasp what they are doing:

http://tinyurl.com/yajdkq2l

The beauty of Barcelona:

http://tinyurl.com/y9vpcx8q

Pour tourists.

makati1 on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 3:18 am 



Are Americans waking up?

“Forget ISIS, “Government Corruption” Tops Americans’ Biggest Fears”

https://www.statista.com/chart/11551/americans-top-fears-of-2017/

” As Americans gear up to celebrate Halloween at the end of October, a recent survey has revealed the fears that really keep people up at night. The Chapman University Survey of American Fears polled 1,207 U.S. adults on their levels of fear across 80 different categories. Like last year, corruption of government officials came top in 2017, with 74.5 percent of U.S. adults saying it makes them “afraid” or “very afraid”.”

Time to get off your asses, Americans and do something before it is too late. Or, maybe it already is…

makati1 on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 3:27 am 



Prove it Davy. Stats not guesses. You cannot. More false patriotism and denial. America is going down the drain and the 3rd word is already taking over.

“In America, coal pollution is nearly as deadly as car crashes”
http://grist.org/article/in-america-coal-pollution-is-nearly-as-deadly-as-car-crashes/

Water Pollution Facts for the U.S.

Over two-thirds of U.S. estuaries and bays are severely degraded because of nitrogen and phosphorous pollution.
Water quality reports indicate that 45% of U.S. streams, 47 percent of lakes, and 32 percent of bays are polluted.
Forty percent of America’s rivers are too polluted for fishing, swimming or aquatic life. The lakes are even worse

— over 46% are too polluted for fishing, swimming, or aquatic life.
Every year almost 25% of U.S. beaches are closed at least once because of water pollution.
Americans use over 2.2 billion pounds of pesticides every year, which eventually washes into our rivers and lakes.

Over 73 different kinds of pesticides have been found in U.S. groundwater that eventually ends up in our drinking water – unless it is adequately filtered.

The Mississippi River, which drains over 40 percent of the continental U.S., carries an estimated 1.5 million metric tons of nitrogen pollution into the Gulf of Mexico every year. This resulting pollution is the cause of a coastal dead zone the size of Massachusetts every summer.

Septic systems are failing all around the country, causing untreated waste materials to flow freely into streams, rivers, and lakes.

Over 1.2 trillion gallons of untreated sewage, groundwater, and industrial waste are discharged into U.S. waters annually.
http://www.waterbenefitshealth.com/water-pollution-facts.html

“Pollution from America’s power plants is a deadly serious problem, a new study shows”
https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-08-06/pollution-americas-power-plants-deadly-serious-problem-new-study-shows

And on and on…

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 4:39 am 



“Prove it Davy. Stats not guesses.”
Mad katter, I don’t need to waste my time on referencing obvious Asia pollution problems including your Philippines. I do not deny the US has pollution issues. The issue here is you denying Asia is the most polluted continent in the world and most overpopulated. Wing dinger!

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 4:48 am 



“Time to get off your asses, Americans and do something before it is too late. Or, maybe it already is…”

We are doing well enough mad katter. Spare me your usual drama queen analysis. Talk about intellectually lite, geeze, you sound like one of those late night promotional TV shows trying to sell something. In your case it is an emotional plea on how awful the US is. It is no more awful than Asia and especially your polluted overpopulated Philippines. Asia is the worst place to be currently primarily because of pollution and overpopulation. PERIOD

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 5:01 am 



“Unprecedented Housing Bailout Revealed, As China Property Sales Drop For First Time In 30 Months”
http://tinyurl.com/ybsddsvj

“in 2016 the rise of property prices boosted household wealth in 37 tier 1 and tier 2 cities by RMB24 trillion, almost twice the total local disposable income of RMB12.9 trillion. For any Fed readers out there, that’s how you create a wealth effect, fake as it may be.”

“The negative September sale number shows that, unequivocally, the property boom has peaked,” Rosealea Yao, a property analyst at Gavekal Dragonomics told Reuters. “We have seen some big rebounds at the end of the first and second quarter, but given how fast the sale numbers are declining, we expect no big rebound this time.”

“Moreover, in addition to many buyers purchasing second houses on credit as Deutsche Bank pointed out last month, high prices are forcing many home buyers to take on more debt, weighing on future household consumption and leaving banks more exposed to any property downturn even as Beijing looks to rein in financial system risks”

“According to a fascinating new WSJ report, China’s housing downturn is likely far worse than meets the eye, as under Beijing’s direction more than 200 cities across China for the last three years have been buying surplus apartments from property developers and moving in families from condemned city blocks and nearby villages. China’s Housing Ministry, which is behind the purchases, said it plans to continue the program through 2020. The strategy, supported by central-government bank lending, has rescued housing developers and lifted the property market.”

“The underlying structure is yet another typically-Chinese ponzi scheme: Underpinning the strategy is a cycle of debt. Cities borrow from state banks for purchases and subsidies, then sell more land to developers to repay the loans. As developers build more housing, they, too, accrue more debt, setting up the state to bail them out again. The burden on the state rises, as does the risk of collapse.”

“What is most firghtening, is that despite the decline in property sales, the government’s role in the housing market continues to grow according to the WSJ, and here is a stunning statistic: Of all the residential floor space sold in China last year, 18% was purchased by government entities or with state subsidies, E-House China determined from official government data. The share could reach 24% this year, the firm said. To paraphrase: Beijing is now the (covert) marginal buyer of a quarter of all Chinese real estate. That, in itself, is a mindblowing statistic. What is scarier, is that despite this implicit backstop, property sales are once again declining after 30 months of increases. One can only imagine the epic crash that would ensure at this moment, if – for some reason – the government bid were to be pulled, and just how spectacular the ensuing global depression would be as the rug is pulled from below the middle class of the world’s fastest growing economy.”

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 5:42 am 



The above article is a perfect example of a Chinese Ponzi scheme. This fake wealth effect is knocking on to the rest of Asia and beyond. It represents the false wealth of Asia. Combine this with a similar wealth effect in the US in its equity markets. In Canada and Australia it is a housing market bubble. Europe is pumping up its sovereign debt nightmare with trillions in QE to maintain their fictional affluence. Japan is the classic driver of a wealth effect now for decades with their QE program.

This is a very dangerous time because every nation who is a player in the global system has a Ponzi bubble driving a wealth effects and it is the combination of all these efforts that spell trouble for the year ahead. Sooner or later this surely will be unmanageable. Valuations, housing prices, and sovereign bonds have limits to valuations. It is the risk inherent in all these bubbles with cross border exposures and contagion risk that is a risk in itself. Risk dynamics has become a new risk predicament. It is really a vicious circle of a red queen effect. We sidestep risk more and more increasing risk more and more.

It is unclear where this might go. Governments basically manage the financial markets now as backstops and floors. It might be the case that the sheeple investors have no choices because they have nowhere to go so in some ways classic “panic” is contained. The rich power players the world over cannot jump one border to another like they used to because the issues of exposure and risk are now global. This is a new normal and we thought post 2008 was the new normal. We are just getting fired up but not in a good way. Eventually the tricks will run out and the wealth effect will fissile and with it economic activity.

We already have lurking deflation because of the wealth “transfer” effect of the wealth effect. If you are not part of the game you are getting poorer. We appear to be safe with a floor and backstops but also a glass floor with lots of weight that could shatter with potentially catastrophic results. These risks are unknown because we have never been here before. Never have we had all nations that matter in a bubble. This is important because globaly “WE” are a wealth effect economy that is currently papering over all those unfunded liabilities and massive debt levels. The current fake economy is maintaining unsustainable safety nets. It the current fake economy driving the renewable revolution. You name it and this fake global economy supports it with bubbles behind it.

I don’t think anyone knows how much longer this can go on. There are other forces at work too. Climate change and peak oil dynamics continue to worsen. Social issues from conflict and overpopulation worsen. Water, soil, and food issues worsen. There really is no good news other than the wealth effect and this wealth effect is only a wealth transfer from different segments of the population.

It is unclear how much of the stated global growth of 3.5% is real. There is so much bad debt being extended and backed stopped by governments in a Ponzi extend and pretend scheme we must ask “what is real”. Value and productivity have basic fundamentals. We no longer follow basic fundamentals of valuation anywhere globally so we no longer know what is real and what is fake growth. We show oil growth which indicates growth but those of us who know oil know that growing populations will use more oil regardless of real growth. The real indicator of a problem is the continued explosion of debt and unfunded liabilities. Exploding populations and planetary ecological destruction is the flip side of this. Maybe we can continue this facade for years but since it is not real it will end and likely end badly.

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 6:04 am 



“The $2.5 Trillion Paradox: “While The Short End Is Optimistic, The Long End Has Never Been More Pessimistic”
http://tinyurl.com/ycuurmd9

Last weekend, as Deutsche Bank’s derivatives strategist Aleksandar Kocic was looking at the spread between the short and long end of the curve, and while contemplating the lack of market volatility, he concluded that “given where long rates are, Fed appears as overly hawkish – it has only two more hikes to go and, for volatility and risk premia to reprice higher, the gap has to widen. As is appears unlikely that the Fed will be cutting rates any time soon, the gap could widen only if the Long rates sell off.” In practical terms – if only for bond traders – this meant that “for anything to happen, 5Y5Y sector has to move higher”, however the $2.5 trillion question is whether this sell off in long rates will be violent or controlled. Kocic concluded that “This is the catalyst for everything.”

“Incidentally, among Wall Street’s rates and derivatives strateigsts, the mixed – and polar opposite – signals being sent by the rates market has been all the rage in recent weeks, and everyone is eager to explain what happens next. For those who are unfamiliar, the conflicting dynamic sent by the bond curve is that “while the short end is optimistic, the long end has never been more pessimistic”, in the words of BofA’s rates strategist Shyam Rajan. And yet, in a paradoxical feedback loop, rarely has the near term meant more to the long term than today. Here is how Rajan summarizes the “two-faced rates market”, in which the 2s10s is so flat it is a clear warning that all else equal, a recession is approaching: The rates market is sending diametrically opposite messages over the last few weeks. The front of the curve is increasingly confident about a Fed that will hike not only in December but at-least two more times next year. But, the flattening in the intermediate to long end of the curve is sending a clear end of business cycle message.”

“The problem with this disconnect in our view, is that rarely has the longer term outlook been more dependent on the short term – in fact, the next three months will provide us clarity on 1) The ability of Congress to muster the votes on the budget resolution and the possible tax reform bill 2) The outcome of the looming government shutdown on Dec 8 – and the possible leverage used by both the President and the Democrats over this key event risk 3) The geopolitical tension between US and North Korea aka the outcome of the key game of chicken outlined in this Cause and Effect.”

“Is the Fed now actively seeking to launch the next recession (under president Donald Trump no less)? Perversely, it would make a lot of sense: with the business cycle now broken as a result of so much undue implicit reliance on asset prices, all of which are in a bubble – something which the Fed also understands – it would be beautifully symmetric that the same agent, the US Federal Reserve, that broke the business cycle and unleashed one of the longest, if artificial and on the back of trillions in central bank liquidity, economic expansion is now eager (and hoping) to be the catalyst for the next recession.

Or said simply, is the Fed now eager to accelerate the next economic recession in order to undo its own damage to a business cycle which has forgotten there should also be a contraction?”

Cloggie on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 7:08 am 



Building of the first full scale Hyperloop test track in Toulouse, France, has begun:

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/10/22/first-full-scale-hyperloop-test-track-to-be-build-in-toulouse-france/

Cloggie on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 7:33 am 



Xi Jinping: China aspires to become world leader by 2050.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-41647872

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/18/xi-jinping-speech-new-era-chinese-power-party-congress

I think 2050 is very modest, I would estimate ca. 2030.

And now back to predator Harvey Whinestein.

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 8:03 am 



“Xi Jinping: China aspires to become world leader by 2050.”

China is now a world leader along with the US, Europe, Russia, and Japan. This is the new multipolar world order and this will be the end game. The next step is likely a slow/fast decline together among peers.

Cloggie on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 8:42 am 



Xi meant to say: China #1 in 2050

This is the new multipolar world order and this will be the end game.

We have no multi-polar world order yet, not in a long shot, as long as there is one power around who thinks he is exceptionalist and has 900 or so military basis all around the world.

fmr-paultard on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 9:47 am 



China Russia and phils keep persecuting Muslims we will send weapons

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 9:59 am 



Sure cloggie, they all say that. China has far too many issues to be a sole superpower by 2050. They will be
lucky to be a nation by then. This condition includes the US and Europe. I know your anti-American POV cloggie, you know, US collapses in an vacuum and Europe comes over to the rescue to mop up, then this new PBM European empire contains a Superpower China. How fictional and convenient for your Eurotard agenda.

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 10:34 am 



BTW, cloggie, 900 bases, do you have references? Why the exaggeration. Why not clarify the situation with large bases and little outposts or support facilities. You agendist live in the exaggerated world of extremes. I am not trying to hide the fact that the US military has a large footprint just show the true nature of it. All these bases are with home country permission, BTW.

Cloggie on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 10:39 am 



BTW, cloggie, 900 bases, do you have references? Why the exaggeration.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/14/ron-paul/ron-paul-says-us-has-military-personnel-130-nation/

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 10:52 am 



“For instance, the sole site listed for Canada is 144 square feet of leased space — equal to a 12-foot-by-12-foot room. That’s an extreme case, but other nations on the list — such as Aruba, Iceland, Indonesia, Kenya, Norway and Peru — have just a few U.S. military buildings, many of them leased. Some of the sites are unmanned radio relay towers or other minor facilities. “Most of them are a couple of acres with a cyclone fence and no troops,” Pike said.”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/14/ron-paul/ron-paul-says-us-has-military-personnel-130-nation/

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 11:12 am 



“Where in the World Is the U.S. Military?”
http://tinyurl.com/yax59ljv

Japan, South Korea, Europe and Middle East are where most of the US military presence is. So we can say these areas have multiple bases. Exaggerating the story with 900 bases and not clarifying the nature of the footprint is typical agendist exaggerations. This is so typical of the extremist here on this comment board.

Cloggie on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 11:28 am 



A 12 x 12 foot base is a base. A small base, but a base. Don’t move the goal posts.

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 11:33 am 



bull shit, cloggster, quit your exaggerations you extremist.

JuanP on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 11:38 am 



One US military or intelligence base in foreign land is one too many. How much damage can some torturers and murderers do from a 12′ by 12′ room? A LOT! They could be enough to ruin a country! I don’t give a fuck how many US military bases there are a road; there are HUNDREDS, and each and every one of them must be closed. The USA will remain the most hated and despised country in the world until these happens. Financing this ridiculous military empire is bankrupting the USA. If Ynkees wish to cease being the most hated and despised people in the world, that is part of what must happen. Yankees go home! I want my taxpayer’s dollars to be spent making the USA a better place, not occupying, attacking, and destroying other countries

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 11:51 am 



In regards to the discussion between cloggie and I, extremist emotional hatred of the US and its bases is another subject. That subject is for the subjective and emotional. If we look at the objective of this discussion then let’s clarify what is going on. Saying there are 900 BASES in the world greatly distorts the true picture that most big bases are in a Europe, Japan, South Korea, and Middle East. The rest are insignificant in relation to being called bases. They are support networks spread around the globe. A rational person that is not consumed with passion will come to this conclusion. If you all want to have a contest on who hates the US the most have at it but don’t mistake that for reality of the physical presence of the US military.

makati1 on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 7:42 pm 



“Worker shortage threatens U.S. ag sustainability’

“Agriculture’s labor shortage is at a crisis level, with farmers like Burr and Rosella Mosby losing crops and income because there aren’t enough workers for harvest. Every year we hear stories of fresh produce rotting in the fields instead of feeding people, because farmers cannot find help or secure guest workers in time. Without relief, many farmers will have to scale back production or get out of farming altogether.”

http://www.tsln.com/news/worker-shortage-threatens-u-s-ag-sustainability/

Americans are too lazy to actually do physical work. Then they complain about the millions of foreign workers “taking their jobs”. LMAO

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 7:51 pm 



“Americans are too lazy to actually do physical work. Then they complain about the millions of foreign workers “taking their jobs”. LMAO”

In your case I agree. When is the last time you did any physical work besides lift a beer to your mouth around the pool? When is the last time you have been to the fantasy farm?

Boat on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 8:07 pm 



mak,

Those farms need to plant a product that doesn’t require foreign labor. No more taxpayer subsidies keeping those pickers healthy.

makati1 on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 8:10 pm 



Davy, you had to resort to your 12 year old mentality didn’t you. I worked for over 50 years, mostly of the physical kind. I am now retired.

Do you understand what ‘retired’ means? It means I do not have to work. I do not have to watch the clock or even the calendar. I can do as I please everyday. Something you will never be able to do.

I am looking forward to getting on the farm full time so I can experiment with plants and try to grow new things there. I like getting my hands dirty and sweating. Do you? Or do you pay others to farm for you? You indicated that you have hired help in previous posts. We call that a “gentleman farmer” not a real, ‘muck out the stables’ farmer.

makati1 on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 8:13 pm 



Boat, what ‘product’ is that? Most ‘products’ require hand labor. Lots of it. And Americans are too lazy to do it. But, if no one does it those same lazy Americans will starve. So be it.

BTW: those ‘products’ are called food.

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 8:15 pm 



you would starve if the social security check stopped mad katter. You are just a few checks away from oblivion.

onlooker on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 8:20 pm 



Boat, the best thing that can happen for us Americans is if we could mostly go back to farming. We would be healthier via exercise and growing “real” food. Not to mention in position to weather the Great Unraveling.

makati1 on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 8:38 pm 



Davy, you would like to believe that, but it is not true. I am independent of any income from the US. Do you know what “independent” means?

Independent: Not depending on anyone else for money to live on. Merriam-Webster

I am independent. You will NEVER be.

Davy on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 8:45 pm 



You are independent alright more like all alone and far away from any kind of support network. You better hope that social security check keeps coming.

MASTERMIND on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 9:07 pm 



madkat1 why are you ignoring the four peer reviewed studies I showed you that conclude collapse of GLOBAL civilization within the next decade? And why are you making up conspiracy theories about the studies, saying ‘they spin them’. Without showing any evidence of any spin? It seams you can’ handle reality. And denial and insanity are brothers remember (your words, not mine).

makati1 on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 9:35 pm 



Dream on, goat farmer … if you really have a farm. What kind of ‘support network’ do I need besides money? Friends? I have them here. Family? What support will they be when the SHTF? Answer: little to none, just like yours. hey will be busy trying to take care of themselves and their kids. I would not be with them anyway. But you cannot understand that … yet.

You might need ‘support networks’ but I do not. You are the 1%er that does not know how to survive without ‘support networks’, but I do and am. you are chained, Davy. A slave to the system.

makati1 on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 9:38 pm 



MM, if you believe everything you read, you are a fool. I guess you are a fool. EVERY study has spin and that spin is dictated by the sponsor. Not a conspiracy theory, fact.