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Kunstler: Do You, Mr. Jones…?
In case you wonder how our politics fell into such a slough of despond, the answer is pretty simple. Neither main political party, or their trains of experts, specialists, and mouthpieces, can construct a coherent story about what is happening in this country — and the result is a roaring wave of recursive objurgation and wrath that loops purposelessly towards gathering darkness.
What’s happening is a slow-motion collapse of the economy. Neither Democrats or Republicans know why it is so remorselessly underway. A tiny number of well-positioned scavengers thrive on the debris cast off by the process of disintegration, but they don’t really understand the process either — the lobbyists, lawyers, bankers, contractors, feeders at the troughs of government could not be more cynical or clueless.
The nation suffers desperately from an absence of leadership and perhaps even more from the loss of faith that leadership is even possible after years without it. Perhaps that’s why so much hostility is aimed at Mr. Putin of Russia, a person who appears to know where his country stands in history, and who enjoys ample support among his countrymen. How that must gall the empty vessels like Lindsey Graham, Rubio, Schumer, Feinstein, Ryan, et. al.
So along came the dazzling, zany Trump, who was able to communicate a vague sense-memory of what had been lost in our time of American life, whose sheer bluster resembled something like conviction as projected via the cartoonizing medium of television, and who entered a paralysis of intention the moment he stepped into the oval office, where he proved to be even less authentic than the Wizard of Oz. Turned out he didn’t really understand the economic collapse underway either; he just remembered an America of 1962 and thought somehow the national clock might be turned back.
The industrial triumph of America in the 19th and 20th century was really something to behold. But like all stories, it had a beginning, a middle, and an end, and we’re closer to the end of that story than the middle. It doesn’t mean the end of civilization but it means we have to start a new story that provides some outline of a life worth living on a planet worth caring about.
For the moment the fragmentary stories of redemption revolve around technological rescue remedies, chiefly the idea that electric cars will save the nation. This dumb narrative alone ought to inform you just how lost we are, because the story assumes that our prime objective is to remain car-dependent at all costs — when one of the main features in the story of our future is the absolute end of car dependency and all its furnishings and accessories. We can’t imagine going there. (How would you, without a car?)
The economy is collapsing because it was based on cheap oil, which is no longer cheap to pull out of the ground — despite what you might pay for it at the pump these days. The public is understandably confounded by this. But their mystification does nothing to allay the disappearance of jobs, incomes, prospects, or purpose. They retreat from the pain of loss into a fog of manufactured melodrama featuring superheros and supervillains and supernatural doings.
Donald Trump could never be a Franklin Roosevelt or a Lincoln. These were figures who, if nothing else, could articulate the terms that reality had laid on America’s table in their particular moments of history. Mr. Trump can barely speak English and his notions about history amount to a kind of funny papers of the mind. A sinister host of adversaries who ought to understand what is happening in this country, but don’t, or can’t, or won’t, are coming after him, and they are going to get rid of him one way or another. They have to. They must. And they will.
And then what?
46 Comments on "Kunstler: Do You, Mr. Jones…?"
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd May 2017 1:16 pm
The Death of the Republic
“The deep state’s decision in ancient Rome—dominated by a bloated military and a corrupt oligarchy, much like the United States of 2017—to strangle the vain and idiotic Emperor Commodus in his bath in the year 192 did not halt the growing chaos and precipitous decline of the Roman Empire.
Commodus, like a number of other late Roman emperors, and like President Trump, was incompetent and consumed by his own vanity. He commissioned innumerable statues of himself as Hercules and had little interest in governance. He used his position as head of state to make himself the star of his own ongoing public show. He fought victoriously as a gladiator in the arena in fixed bouts. Power for Commodus, as it is for Trump, was primarily about catering to his bottomless narcissism, hedonism and lust for wealth. He sold public offices so the ancient equivalents of Betsy DeVos and Steve Mnuchin could orchestrate a vast kleptocracy.
Commodus was replaced by the reformer Pertinax, the Bernie Sanders of his day, who attempted in vain to curb the power of the Praetorian Guards, the ancient version of the military-industrial complex. This effort saw the Praetorian Guards assassinate Pertinax after he was in power only three months. The Guards then auctioned off the office of emperor to the highest bidder. The next emperor, Didius Julianus, lasted 66 days. There would be five emperors in A.D. 193, the year after the assassination of Commodus. Trump and our decaying empire have ominous historical precedents. If the deep state replaces Trump, whose ineptitude and imbecility are embarrassing to the empire, that action will not restore our democracy any more than replacing Commodus restored democracy in Rome. Our republic is dead.”
more
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_death_of_the_republic_20170521
Dredd on Mon, 22nd May 2017 1:55 pm
The republic of the death (MOMCOM’s Mass Suicide & Murder Pact – 5).
george on Mon, 22nd May 2017 1:56 pm
OK
JuanP on Mon, 22nd May 2017 1:58 pm
I don’t think anyone wh o understands what is happening expected Trump to fix shit. Trump is barely smarter than W, and W is a borderline retard.
I hear a lot of people saying that someone is going to get rid of Trump. That is wishful thinking and wishing won’t make it so. I expect Trump to serve this term. Will he get reelected? I doubt it. The US economy is very likely to collapse before the end of his first term and all the stupid, ignorant people will blame him for that because they don’t know any better. I supported Trump because it was him or the murdering, psychopathic cunt. Given that awful choice, I prefer Trump, but the guy is a real life clown. It is very sad to bear witness to all this.
deadlykillerbeaz on Mon, 22nd May 2017 3:51 pm
http://www.worldometers.info
The human population is more than 7.5 billion with 54 million births so far this year. Go humans!
There have been 16 million abortions since January 1st.
It should be opposite, 54 million abortions and 16 million births, along with 22 million deaths.
Well, 38 million deaths including the abortions. Souls always count, no matter what physical state here on earth. Genotype to phenotype, you still count.
“We don’t do body counts” is all bunkum and bosh.
Worldometers counts the bodies, so body counts do count.
All since January 1st. With only 16 million births in that time period, and all of those deaths, the population trend would be negative and we could get back to a natural earth without all of these humans running around all over the place like a chickens with their heads cutoff. lol
Although, I did eat chicken today, so it is no wonder why there are so many dead chickens. Even Tyson keeps body counts when it comes to chickens.
Chickens prevent overshoot of humans. They like to eat. So far, 7.5 billion humans are here on earth experiencing Nirvana in Shang-ri-la. As long as there are chickens, human population increases are ok.
Let there be chickens said God. You gotta eat, grilled chicken will keep your belly and backbone from bumping..
Sometimes Kunstler gets it, but most of the time, he’s in the dark.
You could even light a candle to light up the darkness and he still will not get it.
At birth, you can open your eyes and see the light. You hit the ground running and take it from there. Not hard to see that.
Except for Howard, his eyes are open only for what he can see. Otherwise, he’s in the dark.
Cloggie on Mon, 22nd May 2017 4:42 pm
In his last column Kunstler pointed at the “deep state”, that obviously was busy trying to topple Trump, thereby suggesting that Kunstler distanced himself from that endeavor. Nothing could be further from the truth.
they are going to get rid of him one way or another. They have to. They must. And they will.
Difficult to interpret this other than that Kunstler is cheer-leading the deep state to get the job done.
Donald Trump could never be a Franklin Roosevelt or a Lincoln.
Voice from Europe: “thank God for that!”
For the moment the fragmentary stories of redemption revolve around technological rescue remedies, chiefly the idea that electric cars will save the nation.
Kunstler is a tired old has-been, too lazy to update his world-view with the latest information. Kunstler, like Heinberg, is a libtard ASPO-2000 one-trick pony. We are going to get rid of him one way or another. We have to. We must. And we will.
Cloggie on Mon, 22nd May 2017 4:46 pm
Trump at the Wailing Wall. For I a moment I prayed he would pull a “Frank Underwood at Daddies Grave”. No such luck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ_v8Bcm_IE
Trump is reportedly exhausted and it shows. Can’t image him serving full 8 years at his age, under the permanent flak he has to endure.
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a9906265/president-trump-ivanka-saudi-arabia/
Cloud9 on Mon, 22nd May 2017 4:50 pm
My problem is that I am a linier thinker. I cannot fathom exponential functions beyond a half dozen doublings. The monetary system, the political system and the economy itself are all predicated on an assumption of never ending growth. The billions of independent, interconnected individuals all working for their own agendas, impact this overly complex system in ways that I cannot even imagine. So lacking even a marginal understanding of what is going on, I am forced to back up and look at history. Hindsight being 20/20, I understand the major factors that are deemed to have caused the collapse of Rome. Unfortunately, I see many of those same factors at play in our current system. Therefore, I can reasonably state with a high level of certainty that collapse is inevitable.
The when and how this will come about simply cannot be known. What I do know is that the infrastructure that supplied food and water to ancient Rome was incredibly robust. Roman roads are still in use today. Aqueduct’s are not susceptible to power outages. Sailing ships and draft animals do not run out of diesel. When people needed to flee, they simply walked out of the city.
Today, collapse will strand millions of people in unsustainable cities that dwarf the size of ancient Rome. Trump has at least managed a bankruptcy or two.
makati1 on Mon, 22nd May 2017 5:40 pm
The Chinese “May you live in exciting times!” is the best description of the world today. Especially in the dying empire. It is fascinating to observe and understand. It is the “Great Leveling” I have been talking about.
When the internet dies (and it will) the world will go silent. Similar to the pre-radio age. TV will die about the same time, and newspapers that rely on tech and BAU will disappear. “News” will be local word of mouth or posted in the town square, if at all.
When? Well the internet is already being killed by more and more censorship around the world. The system requires more and more energy to operate and energy is getting more and more expensive. The internet will become a toy of the rich and the domain of government/military. Then it will just be a word in old printed dictionaries.
http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~barath/papers/emergy-hotnets11.pdf
Imagine a world without the internet. Anyone over 30 lived in one. It’s not so bad.
Cloud9 on Mon, 22nd May 2017 6:23 pm
Hook up with somebody who has a ham radio.
Sissyfuss on Mon, 22nd May 2017 6:31 pm
Kuntski says ” This doesn’t mean the end of civilization.” Well yes, actually it does. Sooner than later. And seeing President Mongo at the wailing wall I’m sure he was deciding where the giant Trump logo should go.
Plantagenet on Mon, 22nd May 2017 7:19 pm
If Obama couldn’t fix these problems after 8 years in office, then Trump isn’t very likely to have things fixed after only 4 months in office.
Cheers!
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd May 2017 7:28 pm
After record setting rains Saturday across the state, the National Weather Service placed most of central Alabama under a flash flood watch
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2017/05/22/flooding-threat-present-through-thursday/336255001/
Like dominoes the records continue to fall and the costs to rescue, repair, rebuild keep climbing – another thing that cannot grow forever.
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd May 2017 7:32 pm
“However, the public is unaware of a
greater problem looming over the horizon, the sixth mass extinction.
This extinction is happening in the newest geological epoch, the Anthropocene. Scientists predict the sixth mass extinction will wipe out 60% of all living species on earth by the end of this century. “
https://thehimalayantimes.com/opinion/making-difference-3/
“…60% of all living species on earth by the end of this century.”
The humans will be one of them. When you’re the apex predator and the bottom gets cut out from underneath you, you fall down. Permanently.
Davy on Mon, 22nd May 2017 7:34 pm
If only the economy were collapsing because of the lack of cheap oil to pull out of the ground. There are many things converging and also dispersing making this economic decline surreal. We know on some levels it is roaring but that is where the bubbles are. Bubbles are a Ponzi and a Ponzi is a game. A Ponzi is not productive it is parasitic. So our most robust growth is parasitic and that activity is sucking the life force out of globalism. Ponzi schemes work until they don’t and they always end and end in tears.
We have peak everything now with maximum complexity combined in extreme efficiency of a global industrial machine financed by far flung fragile abstracts of confidence and trust. Everything is priced and that pricing is now dysfunctional. Price discovery in efficient and fair markets is a must for proper allocation of resources. This vital price discovery has been steadily eroded by moral hazard neglect. We are now nearing limits and facing diminishing returns from problems that are becoming predicaments. We are increasing trapped in catch 22’s. It is the minimums that are so deceptive. We look for those big events when it is the little things that are slowly reaching critical points of failure.
The problem is our global machine is so fine tuned for growth and reasonable per capita affluence it can’t even slow done without facing failure. For velocity of money to occur a strong middle class must be present over the longer term. We are now drifting into a two class society of the rich and the poor. It is just like Rome with the bread and circus without the in between producing the wealth. This has been happening as the commons are exploited and our planetary system is failing ever so slowly but now increasingly abruptly.
Markets need rule of law and generally accepted accounting principles. Liberal democracy needs community, stability, and justice. These things are being hollowed out by entropic decay that comes when systems cycle. Systems always cycle until they die. This is why all civilizations collapse eventually and all species will go extinct eventually. All ecosystems end. This is just the way. For us temporal mortals when and how of this is what matters now. Some of us may never see the worst. Some are going to have the worst occur in their small little world even without a collapse since this is a process with victims.
We just don’t know how this is going to unfold because there are so many ways it can unfold and really no alternatives to the status quo. That is the scary part of no hope and only the reality of despair ahead. Yet we do have the here and now to live to die another day. The awakened ones who are honest about science and understand our failing human system know we can collapse and see the signs. The sheeple and many if not most of the elites do not. This is because few can dwell in doom and those who can can’t for long.
We think we are safe just because we are safe. It is the habituation of contentment that is so strange. A part of me can’t imagine all of this ending. It is just not normal so we can discount and dismiss it in so many ways. It is the human ability to move on to other subjects cavalierly that allows us to leave the thought of decline, decay, and death. Dwelling on tragedy is depressing and we are told to be optimistic. It is this false optimism now that is the killer because we are doing things that have no future and are setting up ourselves for a fall. The fall is ahead but it could be made less bad and further off. Time is precious when death approaches and this is where value is near the end.
Anonymouse on Mon, 22nd May 2017 7:34 pm
‘Obama’ never tried to ‘fix’ anything dumbass, wasnt in his job description. Only a retard, or the ‘average’ amerikan IoW, might be forgiven for believing the orange-haired ape in a suit, is trying ‘fix’ anything either, other than his image that is.
Naturally, plantatard, you are simply too dumb to even try to explain just what it is you think man-baby is trying so hard to ‘fix’? Care to enlighten?
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd May 2017 7:44 pm
Scientists say the pace of sea level rise has nearly tripled since 1990
““We have a much stronger acceleration in sea level rise than formerly thought,” said Sönke Dangendorf, a researcher with the University of Siegen in Germany who led the study along with scientists at institutions in Spain, France, Norway and the Netherlands.”
“The new paper concludes that before 1990, oceans were rising at about 1.1 millimeters per year, or just 0.43 inches per decade. From 1993 through 2012, though, it finds that they rose at 3.1 millimeters per year, or 1.22 inches per decade.
The cause, said Dangendorf, is that sea level rise throughout much of the 20th century was driven by the melting of land-based glaciers and the expansion of seawater as it warms, but sea level rise in the 21st century has now, on top of that, added in major contributions from the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/05/22/scientists-say-the-rate-of-sea-level-rise-has-nearly-tripled-since-1990/
‘The great unknown’: New climate change data lifts the sea-level threat
“The giant ice sheets of Antarctica and Greenland are melting faster than scientists previously estimated, raising the prospect of faster sea level rise placing at risk low-lying areas of Sydney and similar exposed cities around the world.”
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/the-great-unknown-new-climate-change-data-lifts-the-sealevel-threat-20170522-gwa963.html
Sea level rise: Miami and Atlantic City fight to stay above water – video
Sea levels are rising. For many cities on the the eastern shores of the United States, the problem is existential.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/mar/20/sea-level-rise-miami-and-atlantic-city-fight-to-stay-above-water-video
$$Miami Beach to begin new $100 million flood prevention project in face of sea level rise $$
“With Miami Beach set to break ground this year on the most ambitious piece yet of its aggressive anti-flooding project, some homeowners worry that raising streets to keep them dry will cause flooding on their properties.”
“The city will embark on a $100 million project to raise roads, install pumps and water mains and redo sewer connections during the next two years across a swath of single-family homes in the La Gorce and Lakeview neighborhoods of Mid-Beach. A sizable chunk of a citywide effort estimated to cost $400 to $500 million, the work is meant to keep streets dry in the face of sea level rise.”
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article129284119.html
efarmer on Mon, 22nd May 2017 8:07 pm
This thread has been quite the challenge for me, I started reading Kunstler and soon found myself immersed in a Deep State and soon was perched on the Commodus, contemplating a Trump, and being made hungry for chicken soon thereafter.Next all sorts of trauma and negativity washed over me in waves, and so in a flush of panic, I decided to get up and leave the thread immediately.
joe on Mon, 22nd May 2017 9:19 pm
General sense of despair. Fear not, joe is here. First, let there be fiat currency, and there was and it was good. Then the world money masters seperated those allowed to trade from those who were not, and there was a day and a night, and it was good. Some amongst the numbers of those allowed to trade built a false idol called OROB and the money masters became angry because that fiat currency would not be exchanged for holy money at the temple of wall street, so they fought titanic political battles knowing full well that there could never be a real war without ending the story, so nukes became the 3 buddies weakly holding back the faux tough guy, and it was good.
As humans we instinctively think we have a right to live forever and that we can understand exactly what all this is, this thing we all experience on some level (not cloggie, cause hes a deep state bot) called living, but we dont. We are as disposable as the dodo bird. There really isnt any justice. Trump signing a 150 billion arms gift to those who are imposing famine using private armies of jihadis in Yemen and failed to do the same in Syria prove it. As long as fiat currency keeps the hopium going, we will believe in the bible of incorporation, seperate legal entity and limited liability, Trump personifies these ideas, a world of no consequences for those with lots of cash, or so he thinks. The sad part is that most people want to be a version of him, according to their own cultural norms but something like that. Trump really is what a poor man thinks a rich man is like. Why cant America produce another Lincoln? Becasue Lincoln was a poverty stricken indentured labourer who learned the law and knew what justice was (an imperfect beast), Lincoln knew scripture and hated the influence of money even when he gave in to its power, Trump couldnt quote a McDonald’s ad. Obama came from the liberal diplomatic corp of our world, his father a wealthy man from africa, his mother an open minded liberal child of open minded liberals in a world of no consequences for such people and Obama personifies nothing but a friendlier version of Trump, Clinton wasnt was friendly as Obama, as convincing as Bill as polarising as Trump or as authoritarian as Bush/Cheney. A world of no consequences, or so they think. They never think, there can always be Brexit, or they actually could lose that next war, such things are inconceivable. Thats why, despite everything we still want to drive cars and not have to deal with GW. Babys never accept reality, they just want what they want.
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd May 2017 10:05 pm
Harsh
A Vital Drug Runs Low, Though Its Base Ingredient Is in Many Kitchens
“Hospitals around the country are scrambling to stockpile vials of a critical drug — even postponing operations or putting off chemotherapy treatments — because the country’s only two suppliers have run out.
The medicine? Sodium bicarbonate solution. Yes, baking soda.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/21/health/sodium-bicarbonate-solution-critical-shortage-hospitals.html?_r=1
This kinda thing is never a problem for me – quite the opposite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2FxwTLeIqg
Sissyfuss on Mon, 22nd May 2017 10:27 pm
Aw efarmer,that’s some good sh%t.
Theedrich on Tue, 23rd May 2017 6:32 am
The Demonic Party has become extremely vile, using gutter language to whip up its vulgar base and inventing any imaginable anti-Trump slur attributed to “anonymous sources” and inserting it into propaganda from the WSJ, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC, ABC or other fake-news outlets. Trump may be having problems with leakers and Demonics who block his every move, but at least he has not reached into the toilet the way the Left is doing.
One of the dilemmas the country finds itself in today is that the herd (psychically destabilized by subliminal advertizing) has no idea of the countless threats, human and natural, now gathering against the U.S. and, indeed, against the world as a whole. The timid attempts to rein in so-called “Entitlements” in America are just one example: any politician, group of politicians or political party that even mentions restraining the growth of that time bomb is instantly accused of threatening to throw granny off the cliff. And as Kunstler implies, there are legions of parasites who stalemate any and all efforts to inject any kind of rationality into the increasing anarchy.
Again we see Tainter’s description of the collapse of complex societies playing itself out, willy-nilly. Only this time, we may not go out with a whimper.
CIA-MOLE on Tue, 23rd May 2017 11:22 am
@joe, I used to be like you and I suffered dearly for having too much of “mah feels”. Feelings put you at a huge disadvantage in social situations.
Stick to logic. It’s not reliable all the time but when it does you can eat it.
My logic is that when I boil my eggs, I kill any living organisms inside the shell. And the shell is an effective barrier to bacteria.
Boiled eggs are rigid and because bacteria don’t have means to self propel, they can’t easily invade the egg and spoil it.
No degradation of protein and no biological agents to spoil it will keep my eggs fresh for a long time.
With that unassailable logic, I have been enjoying two-week old boiled eggs that I just leave on my desk.
That’s what I mean by eating logic. I think this will last for months. Be sure you don’t crack the eggs during handling and boiling.
DerHundistlos on Tue, 23rd May 2017 4:27 pm
Theedrich is already busy making excuses for the orange haired man-baby. Unfortunately for you, the readership of this site are smart enough to understand that try as you might blame it on the Democrats, the Republicans control all branches of government. The last time this happened, it took just 18 months for the country to be thrown into its worst depression ever. Then a Democratic president and congress were required to save the country from economic ruin.
Speaking of vile gutter language, perhaps the Dems took their cue from the orange comb-over, “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy- only if it’s a tight pussy. A guy like me can do anything I want to any dumb cunt- rich or poor- and they will like it and want more of me.” What a guy.
Theedrich on Tue, 23rd May 2017 4:59 pm
The loosed doggie has lost his mind. To begin with, there are few men, except maybe gays or priests, who do not engage in locker-room talk at one time or another. Only the gutter Demonic Party uses very old, secretly taped talk of that nature to discredit political opponents.
As far as the Repubs go, only half of them are united, and some are RINOs (i.e., traitors). In contrast, the Demonics are all bribed by the same oligarchic, Sörösian source and, accordingly, frozen into a solid block. Excepting a very few, they constitute nothing but a corrupt snakepit.
Apneaman on Tue, 23rd May 2017 5:46 pm
Douchy, looks like a handful more of your trump loving white brothers got tired of waiting for Daddy to bring those “good jobs” back. Why not end your daily suffering and join them?
Ohio Coroner Runs Out Of Room For Bodies Due To Spike In Opioid Deaths
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/05/23/ohio-coroner-space-opioid-deaths/
DerHundistlos on Tue, 23rd May 2017 10:13 pm
Theedrich excuses the orange monkey man’s comments as, “Locker room talk…..secretly taped…..very old.”
WRONG….WRONG…..WRONG
Cheeto made this disgusting comment to a member of the press in 2005.
CIA-MOLE on Tue, 23rd May 2017 10:23 pm
My objection to the Orange monkey stems from my past experience with a scrounger who loved to snap at me. I’m just a regular guy, can’t score, not good looking, not tall but I’m acting as if I’m aristocratic. It means I demand people to talk to me and if the disagreement is serious enough then we part way.
The Orange fuck is snappy and that’s why I didn’t like him.
In my situation, I prayed that the alcoholic scrounger leave and he did. It was for his safety and mine as I was thinking of buying heavy duty trash bags.
DerHundistlos on Tue, 23rd May 2017 10:47 pm
Poor Theedrich,
Time to find a new schtick now that the bastion of conservative journalism, Fox News has dropped the Seth Rich BS story. Fox News officially retracted its conspiracy story on the 2016 murder of Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich. The “fair and balanced” Fox said, “the Seth Rich story was not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all our reporting. Upon appropriate review, the article was found not to meet those standards and has since been removed,”
How about you and Clogged returning to PizzaGate.
Truly pathetic.
Cloggie on Wed, 24th May 2017 2:45 am
Multi-polar world latest: Duterte declares martial law for 60 days (perhaps extended to one year) in parts of the Philippines and asks Russia for weapons:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/philippinen-rodrigo-duterte-verhaengt-kriegsrecht-ueber-mindanao-a-1149038.html
This is about the city of Marawi in the Mindanao region, where Islamists are attempting an uprising against the central government.
Meanwhile Sharia law is on the rise in the largest Islamic country in the world, Indonesia:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4533004/Gay-men-caned-85-times-Sharia-laws-Indonesia.html
And yesterday, Islam continued to make itself impossible in Britain (again) by blowing up 22 and counting children during a children’s party in Manchester.
This btw is what passes as a “children’s party” these days:
http://ksassets.timeincuk.net/wp/uploads/sites/55/2017/05/ArianaGrandeGettyImages-644692214-920×584.jpg
Cloggie on Wed, 24th May 2017 3:00 am
China getting serious with e-vehicles and wants to impose a production quote of 8% electric. After German industry protests, Germany now gets a little more time to adapt its products palette (but 8% it is going to be eventually, although not Jan 2018 but Jan 2019):
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/elektroautos-china-rueckt-von-umstrittener-quote-fuer-elektroautos-ab-a-1149045.html
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/e-auto-quote-in-china-schockiert-deutsche-autokonzerne-a-1118966.html
makati1 on Wed, 24th May 2017 3:45 am
Cloggie, rebel trouble in Mindanao is not new.
“In the south of the predominantly Catholic Philippines, Muslim separatists have been struggling for autonomy since the 1960s. Time and again, they also bombed. Under the influence of al-Qaeda, the organization Abu Sayyaf arose in 1991. The group finances its fight with abductions. In February, Abu Sayyaf beheaded a 70-year-old German sailor. Shortly before, the Philippine army had bombed alleged positions of Abu Sayyaf.”
They are about 800 kilometers south of Manila. Duterte is trying to work with them to bring about peace. He has a lot of experience with them.
Cloggie on Wed, 24th May 2017 3:55 am
From the first Spiegel link with Google Translate:
General Chief Eduardo Ano called on the people to barricade themselves in their houses. From Moscow, where he accompanied Duterte, he assured that there were enough government soldiers in the city to get the situation under control quickly. Marawi’s Mayor Majul Gandamra disagreed with the General Staff. There were not enough soldiers in the city and reinforcement would be urgently needed. He was with relatives in the town hall. “We’re the only ones here to defend the building,” he said on the radio. “We will not let the terrorists take the town hall,” he said.
Cloggie on Wed, 24th May 2017 4:04 am
You can say what you want about these Allah punk rascals, but they do have courage, despite what pm scarecrow May has to say about them. They are willing to die for their shabby religion and that makes them extremely dangerous.
Remember that the original Bolshevik movement consisted of merely 10,000 determined terrorists, lead by 350 Jews (and supported by Wall Street). In the end they controlled most of the Eurasian land mass between Hanover and Vladivostok.
Enter ISIS. They now operate globally:
https://www.rt.com/uk/389489-uk-pm-terrorism-threat-level-critical/
UK PM: Terrorism threat level raised to critical, new attack ‘imminent’
https://www.rt.com/news/389452-duterte-isis-philippines-martial-law/
Philippines crisis: Duterte declares martial law on Mindanao in face of ISIS-linked onslaught
https://www.rt.com/news/389506-nato-turkey-austria-veto/
NATO forced to change rules after Turkey’s spat with Austria threatens to paralyze alliance
Erdogan smells his chance to position himself as the leader of global Islam. Bye-bye EU & NATO.
Cloggie on Wed, 24th May 2017 5:10 am
New contribution to ongoing discussion about the military uselessness of aircraft carriers in the 21st century:
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-the-navy-doesnt-want-you-know-france-sunk-us-aircraft-20543
Why the Navy Doesn’t Want You to Know: France ‘Sunk’ a U.S. Aircraft Carrier
If it is not super sonic missiles, than there are still submarines, that everybody has.
Air craft carriers: obsolete 1940s technology, giant slow sitting ducks with a “shoot me” label attached to it.
And remember: the US Navy, that’s 40% of US defense budget.
Cloggie on Wed, 24th May 2017 5:24 am
The female part of the Trump family has more respect for the Pope…
http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2017/05/we_re_doomed.html#comments
…than for the desert dwellers:
https://gdb.voanews.com/FFFCE29D-EDC8-4233-AEC2-C91E0CD00E79_cx0_cy5_cw0_w1023_r1_s.jpg
Cloggie on Wed, 24th May 2017 5:40 am
Climate change, overdue maintenance, #ShitHappens or all of the above?
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/erdrutsch-am-highway-1-legendaere-kuestenstrasse-unterbrochen-a-1149095.html
Legendary Highway 1 along Californian coast buried for months.
Davy on Wed, 24th May 2017 5:52 am
Clog, so what, they sink. They project power and that is what “military” is about. No other nation can project power like the US and this is because of bases and aircraft carriers. You can zero in on the pluses and minuses of hardware like carriers and lose the bigger picture. You can also forget that if an aircraft carrier is sunk retaliation will be at least as severe and swift including escalation to NUK. Carriers are a small city and sovereign US territory. Destroying a US city will bring swift retaliation.
Clog, are you going to say an army base are obsolete next because they can be destroyed? What is obsolete is the Euro armies of irrelevance. The EU cannot project power and is so vulnerable it needs protection and look at the cost of this irrelevance. Maybe this is why you are so down on carriers. You are jealous because your Euro fantasy empire army is impotent. No Viagra for that. It takes balls of which you lack.
Where the US is 21st century obsolete is having too many carriers. This along with some other weapons systems like the very capable but too expensive F35. This is because the effect is to reduce overall military strength by reducing the overall economic cost benefit of its force projection economics. This discussion is about too many not their effectiveness. No other weapon platform can compare to an aircraft carrier. Missiles do not win wars. Air power alone does not win wars. A combination of weapon systems, capable personnel, and logistics win wars. You Europeans know this but you are too busy sipping wine and watching the Americans man your defenses.
Cloggie on Wed, 24th May 2017 6:24 am
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/22/germany-is-quietly-building-a-european-army-under-its-command/
Germany Is Quietly Building a European Army Under Its Command
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/23/how-can-emmanuel-macron-unite-europe-start-with-the-armies
How can Macron unite Europe? He could start with its armies
The EU now spends about 50% of US budget on military, but is planned to increase, greatly enabled by (a very) Brexit, which will initiate the breakup of the West.
The crucial factor is: the EU has 500 million Europeans, the US 220 million. In WW2 both the Germans and Americans calculated from “1 German = 2 Americans”. Meanwhile a considerable part of the US army infantry has become “third world”, with corresponding strength.
Meanwhile Ukraine is de facto added to the EU and it won’t be long until Russia will follow, provided Russia can do so on its own terms, not as a vassal of the US, like in the nineties.
But the greatest asset of Europe is the European population of North-America, that is betrayed by its own globalist elite (and quietly backed by most green-leftist posters on this forum) that couldn’t care less about the sentiment of its own deplorables, it is supposed to represent, but doesn’t:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGSAhNZnisk
You Europeans know this but you are too busy sipping wine and watching the Americans man your defenses.
Dream on Batman. We have carefully noticed your less than stellar performance in Vietnam, Korea, Somalia, Lebanon, Afghanistan and we are not impressed. Showing up in June 1944, when the battle was almost over and letting your Soviet buddies doing most of the work doesn’t count as reference either.
Now, why don’t you start a war against China and show your Zionist masters what you are made of?
Cloggie on Wed, 24th May 2017 7:25 am
You Europeans know this but you are too busy sipping wine and watching the Americans man your defenses.
Defense against who? There is only one real threat for the continued existence of white-European civilization (both in Europe and North-America) and that is ZOG-USA or US empire and its nation destroying intentions.
You never liberated us. Instead you and your Soviet buddies conquered us. Forget about “liberation”, the Germans never wanted to conquer us, left alone as a great European nation was enough for them, but these f* British wouldn’t allow it and they opened the European door for the Soviets and Americans.
But that’s now going to be undone and sooner than you think. Good luck with making up your mind on whose side you will be in the coming struggle. It will be a choice of life and death. I’m not really sure what your choice will be, probably because you do not know either, yet.
Davy on Wed, 24th May 2017 7:47 am
Clog, US, military has fought and fought well. Europeans and Canadians are at best support troops. We all know you are a racist and hence the 3rd world hint concerning our multiracial troops The US marines and all the special forces are at the top of effective fighting forces. They are all colors and this has proven an asset. Europe has some good special forces but effective large combat troop organizations are minimal.
Europes problem is attitude and leadership which is inadequate. Europe is not even a nation so good luck with your fantasy of population benefits. In fact your population reference as an asset just shows how deluded you are about the coming collapse process. Like China, Europe is overpopulated and demographically challenged.
You can reference the wars lost as most anti-Americans do but you fail to realize the Americans have lost no major battles. Most engagements were likewise winners. The so called wars were lost becuase they were not real wars. They were political adventures. In any case the US through the use of it forces in actual fighting make them the best tested in the world.
Europe is hollow militarilly. They produce some good equipment and soldiers but do not have the will to fight. Europe does not have the morale nor the leadership at all levels. The fighting the Europeans want to do is with each other.
Clog, if you were a normal person you could be proud Europe is not so militaristic but you dream of the old days of European war lust. If you are going to point your finger then brag show something worth bragging about. All you are doing is looking wipped and pretending to be top dog.
Apneaman on Wed, 24th May 2017 9:48 am
Davy & clog-scum are playing my dad is tougher than your dad again na na na so there.
Your Dad is a fucking Cancer.
Environmentalists Are Ignoring the Elephant In the Room: U.S. Military Is the World’s Largest Polluter
The Military Pumps Out Staggering Quantities of Toxic Waste, Water and Air Pollution and Radiation
“Newsweek reported in 2014:
The US Department of Defence is one of the world’s worst polluters. Its footprint dwarfs that of any corporation: 4,127 installations spread across 19 million acres of American soil. Maureen Sullivan, who heads the Pentagon’s environmental programmes, says her office contends with 39,000 contaminated sites.
Camp Lejeune is one of the Department’s 141 Superfund sites, which qualify for special clean up grants from the federal government. That’s about 10% of all of America’s Superfund sites, easily more than any other polluter. If the definition is broadened beyond Pentagon installations, about 900 of the 1200 or so Superfund sites in America are abandoned military facilities or sites that otherwise support military needs.
“Almost every military site in this country is seriously contaminated,” said John D Dingell, a soon-to-retire Michigan congressman, who served in the Second World War.
The U.S. military is the third-largest polluter of U.S. waterways.
The Washington Post noted Monday:
The U.S. military is the single largest consumer of fuel in the world.
We use a highly-polluting form of nuclear power so the U.S. military can make bombs. U.S. military considerations also drive nuclear policy in Japan (that didn’t turn out very well) and other countries.
The government has been covering up nuclear accidents for more than 50 years.
Above-ground nuclear tests – which caused numerous cancers to the “downwinders” – were covered up by the American government for decades. See this, this, this, this, this and this.
At least 33,480 U.S. nuclear weapons workers who have received compensation for health damage are now dead.
And the country’s main storage site for nuclear waste from military production may be in real trouble.
The Pentagon is also one of the largest greenhouse gas emitters in the world … and yet has a blanket exemption from all greenhouse gas treaties.
The defense department also uses open-air burn pits which send a parade of horribles into the air.
Sealife is not exempt. Military sonar kills whales and dolphins.
And the military has long been a flagrant user of chemical weapons and depleted uranium … which can trash ecosystems and human health.”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/05/environmentalists-ignoring-elephant-room-u-s-military-worlds-largest-polluter.html
Cloggie on Wed, 24th May 2017 10:19 am
Your Dad is a fucking Cancer.
OMG, the self-described oil-refinery designer has crawled from under his stone again to find people to yell at.
Davy on Wed, 24th May 2017 11:09 am
“Davy & clog-scum are playing my dad is tougher than your dad again na na na so there.”
Well it is a fun way to flush intellectually weak and obsessive anti-American twinks.
GregT on Wed, 24th May 2017 12:31 pm
“No other nation can project power like the US”
Projecting power is just another way of saying cold blooded mass murder.
DerHundistlos on Wed, 24th May 2017 5:36 pm
The site of the worst contamination occurs where I attended basic training- Fort McClellan, Alabama. The area is so polluted with PCBs and Dioxin that the government abandoned the military base and forced the residents/businesses of the neighboring city, Aniston to evacuate without any chance of returning.