Kunstler: Between the Loathsome and the Unspeakable

46 Comments on "Kunstler: Between the Loathsome and the Unspeakable"

Plantagenet on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 12:19 pm 



Its Hillary’s turn to be president. She has patiently waited for 8 years after Obama upset her coronation 8 years ago.

Bernie isn’t going to stop her. Trump isn’t going to stop her—they just dont get that ‘ts her turn.

Cloud9 on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 12:50 pm 



So James I’ve got to ask: Which one of these sociopaths do you think is most dangerous, Hilary, Trump or Bloomberg? If Trump gets the baton, the machine may neutralize him by either killing him or refusing to follow his edicts. If either Hilary or Bloomberg seize the baton, the RNC will be ecstatic. Business as usual will continue right up until the crash. Either way a lot of the fly over country may skitter off the reservation. This feels very much like the period in the 1850’s when major political factions tried to seize the national narrative. The North East and the West won that contest. Dixie faded into mythology.
Today there is a different dynamic evolving. Mathew Bracken has an interesting hypothesis on the major players trying to orchestrate the new narrative. Take a look at this: The CW2 Cube — Mapping The Meta-Terrain Of Civil War Two. http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2010/07/bracken-cw2-cube-mapping-meta-terrain.html
I know this is a politically incorrect website but a former Navy Seal might have some insight into social devolution and the potential for a shooting war. Remember, a million and a half firearms were bought in January. A significant part of the herd is well armed and troubled.

Anonymous on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 2:45 pm 



The delusion is strong in the first poster, must be nice to be able to rewrite reality on the interwebz with a couple clicks…

Outcast_Searcher on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 3:00 pm 



So why is this empty opinonated braying by Mr. Kunstler worth anything. Say, anything more than his completely wrong calls on Y2K, clearly aimed at his own pocketbook?

Too bad readers aren’t objective enough to consider their own interest, vs. the entertainment value of yet another random self-appointed doomer.

PrestonSturges on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 3:05 pm 



For 30 years “CW2” has always been rabid white supremacist race war crap.

penury on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 5:12 pm 



As a sad commentary on life as it is lived in the Empire this works well. Does not say much about the candidates and says even less about the voters.

shortonoil on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 5:56 pm 



Kunstler may be right about things falling apart before the election. I assume he is just guessing. Our theoretical calculations show it could be as long as 3 to 4 years. That will be the point when the petroleum industry will be selling oil for less than $20/ barrel, financial system will be collapsing daily, and the store shelve will be going bare simply because there won’t be enough demand for most products to be stocked. The consumer will go broke along with the petroleum industry.

Who will take over the reins is yet not decided. Congress is now a paralyzed bunch of entrenched geriatric politicians, and the bureaucracies have become day care centers for would be retirees. From what I hear the folks over at Spooks Ville have pretty much decided that they are the only ones who will be able to fill the void. They may be right? Their rein will be short unless some of the technology they have developed can be put to public use. From what I’ve seen most of it was not designed with that purpose in mind.

Hillary, and The Donald may very likely be the last; a complete degenerate, and a sociopath. The shadow of the Empire is fading, and the fate of mankind with it.

James Tipper on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 6:11 pm 



@short

I think most of the world will look like 10,000 B.C. in as little as a century.

Brent on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 6:15 pm 



Whenever an empire dies it always turns to crazy people that promise they can restore their former glory. This nationalistic wave most likely will elect Trump who will most likely get us involved in more wars. Iran is one I am thinking he has in his cross hairs and if that happens kiss goodbye to everything we have known for the last fifty years in this country.

Davy on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 6:59 pm 



Jim is being over dramatic on Hillary or Donald. We know the government is paralyzed. We are pretty sure of a deep state that is in charge. How can any elected president overcome such obstacles to personal power and do anything much different from what we have today. Maybe around the edges but not core issues. Look what it took Obama to get his Obama care law. His presidency never recovered.

I don’t see the US or the global system failing by autumn. I see global failures to increase but these will be bits and pieces not critical nodes of support. There is still a huge momentum of status quo survival that will power us through a few more years of decay.

The economy is a big unknown but most likely those in power globally know there is no choice but economic cooperation when times get tough. We are on the cusp of destructive change but not there yet. This is the preseason warm up.

Another Northwest Resident on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 7:37 pm 



“The other leaders at the dark heart of its hierarchy will never stand for Trump. In that case, they will form a breakaway rump GOP and throw their support to Michael Bloomberg, if he decides to jump in — and he might be enough of a true patriot to do that. ”

Michael Bloomberg – a true patriot. You heard it here first.

You know, I think Kunstler is right about a lot of things but he sure mashes things up a lot too. Guh.

makati1 on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 7:38 pm 



“… the stupidest election contest in American history that could literally blow the country to pieces. …”

WILL, not ‘could’, literally blow the country to pieces and destroy what is left of a once “great”(tongue-in-cheek) empire. The final leveling.

At this pint the War Party seems to be winning, but then they play both sides of the aisle. So, will WW3 happen BEFORE the financial collapse? During? Or after? That is the real question for the remainder of 2016. Not which psychopath reads the lies from the teleprompter. No matter who wins, Americans lose big time.

Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 7:39 pm 



‘Merika is a political sewer pipe. It has been for a longtime. The world has known this. Its easy to see. Finally it has now just gotten to the point where ‘Merikans are able to notice it too. Obama was a mountebank selling hope (snake oil), before him Bush was just some folksiee good old boy type that ya’ll could relate too, Clinton was another smooth talking con artist that could sell snow to the Unuit, the Bush before him was another smooth talking con man that sold you war in Kuwait (remember the Iraqi soldiers dumping babies out of incubators lol) you yanks will vote for anybody that fucks you in the ass as long as they give you a reach around. You just eat up all the shit that comes out of their mouths.

Apneaman on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 7:50 pm 



“…to get his Obama care law”

His? Get real, it was just another 1%er hijacking.

Obamacare: The Biggest Insurance Scam in History

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/19692-obamacare-the-biggest-insurance-scam-in-history

Go Speed Racer on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 8:15 pm 



Kunster is the master of Doom & Gloom.

Just the right amount, for the weekly dosage.

JuanP on Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 9:19 pm 



Hillary is a narcissistic bitch with deep psychopathic, sociopathic, and antisocial tendencies. Trump is a narcissistic delusional moron. Bernie is full of shit. All American politicians are nothing but cockroaches.

If there is an election, it doesn’t matter who wins, we are screwed anyway. It is too late to fix this mess. The American political, economic, and social systems have been corrupted past the point of no return.

Store food and water while you can, and understand that you will have to kill to defend what’s yours sooner or later, it’s only a matter of when. Your preps should be bulletproof. Concrete and brick homes, underground cisterns, basements, and bunkers. A log cabin may be OK, but can be burned down. Cinder blocks, plywood, sheet rock, and two by fours won’t cut it.

Northwest Resident on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 1:21 am 



“Kunstler may be right about things falling apart before the election.”

I suspect he might get “lucky” with that guess. It does seem like a fairly straight line to the type of social upheaval here at home and abroad that would legitimize martial law and cancelling of elections.

Look at it this way. Oil producers haven’t even begun their earnest wave of bankruptcies, but that wave is gaining momentum now. Many thousands more will lose their jobs. Retail will crash further, along with commodities, international trade, trucking, shipping — resulting in a giant ripple effect of unemployment and stressed economies everywhere. Emerging markets and primary oil exporters will descend into chaos.

All of that is happening now, and despite frantic and desperate efforts by the central banks and their printing presses, the momentum is building. A breaking point is on the horizon. There is NO pulling out of this tailspin. We are going down.

It is just a matter of when. Before the election at the end of this year? Quite possibly.

My own impression is that TPTB fully realize that they aren’t going to be able to keep BAU viable and limping along until the end of the year. Knowing that, they give us clowns and asshats to generate amusement, disdain, ridicule but mostly just to distract and confuse. It is all just a big 3-rinig circus, a Jerry Springer show on a national political level. Don’t take it seriously. Get ready to rumble.

makati1 on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 1:35 am 



NWR, I have been saying that there may not be an ‘election’ this year. A National Emergency/False Flag may trigger ‘O’ to proclaim Marshal Law and end the sham democracy in the US forever. The sheeple have no idea what has happened to their ‘freedoms’ over the last 20+ years. They have been eviscerated by new laws, executive orders, and outright denial since at least Clinton. Only about 8 months to go until we see who is correct. Buckle up!

Apneaman on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 1:52 am 



Hammered Monkeys: Another Bubble Popped

http://ponziworld.blogspot.ca/2016/02/hammered-monkeys-another-bubble-popped.html

Apneaman on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 2:00 am 



Farce

MSNBC CUTS AWAY FROM BERNIE SANDERS AS HE CONDEMNS TRANS-PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP

“MSNBC cut away from a live Bernie Sanders press conference this afternoon as the Democratic presidential candidate was talking about his opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement. Watch the cutaway:”

“MSNBC owner Comcast has lobbied for the TPP. Last year, it fired host Ed Schultz, an outspoken opponent of the agreement.

A Media Matters study found that outside of Schultz’s show, the TPP was mentioned only twice on MSNBC during an 18-month period. Last year, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough admitted to The Intercept that his network was “guilty” of ignoring the TPP.”

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/22/msnbc-cuts-away-from-bernie-sanders-as-he-condemns-trans-pacific-partnership/

twocats on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 2:12 am 



Student loan debt has gone up 100 billion every year since the financial crises, and now is about $1.3 trillion. Auto loan debt is just passing the $1 trillion mark. Mortgage debt about $8.8 trillion. Total total is $12.12 trillion.

Although its 4.4% below the 2008 peak, does anyone in their right mind think that the economy is stronger now than it was in 2008?

It’s not voluntary, it’s not EV’s, it’s not CAFE standards, it’s not even demographics (there’s a shit ton of kids who want to work and don’t know what the hell to do, aren’t trained to do anything, and are just wandering the wastelands).

What it is exactly? Well we’ve talked about the different aspects of it quite a bit. Partly it’s the US joining the rest of the world, a world that can’t (or doesn’t care to) afford us anymore.

Do I think any of this is reason to call off the election? Not really. If they have to pull the plug on the markets and banks and have the incoming president do a quick mini-reset, restart QE, and send out some checks to people, then that’s what they’ll do.

Is this step down going to be worse than the 2008-09 demand destruction cycle? It will be harder because an initial traumatic event can be seen as a fluke, a one-off, a second traumatic event – that’s a pattern.

When will the core of society unravel enough that THEY (the TPTB) really need to be worried and TRULY switch up the game? Well, Flint MI basically got their shit intentionally poisoned and not a single person has been arrested, let alone flogged in the street. As long as the mass of people are docile, what does it matter how poor they are?

theedrich on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 3:13 am 



While Kunstler says, “I’m not advocating for those outcomes” [i.e., “of the runaway Deep State (NSA and the military) either bumping off Trump, or staging a coup d’état against him in the event that he manages to get elected”], he is in fact advocating for them, since this is the fourth or fifth time he has “suggested” the possibility of a military coup.  As a Jew, Kunstler cannot abide any kind of nationalist in power anywhere.  It runs counter to the Protocols of Zion.  Hence his anti-Trumpism.

At least he does recognize the bottomless corruption of Hotflash, bought and paid for not just by the big banks but even by foreign powers.  And he also acknowledges that the ultra-BAU GOP elites would be willing to support moneymonster Bloomberg.  After all, serious change is intolerable to them.

In general, it is clear that the changes which Nature is forcing on us are causing panic in the stables of power.  The current powerholders remind one of the ancien régime in the France of 1888.  While pretending to be for “the people,” they cannot imagine losing their power.  Hence they will do anything to install the plastic-faced female into the oval orifice.  They will also do their best to cover up the tsunami of narcotraffic flooding in with swarthy “undocumented immigrants” from the Third World, since that provides their donor banks with the “liquidity” needed to keep the Washington rats’ nest thriving.

theedrich on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 3:39 am 



That’s the ancien régime of 1788.

Davy on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 5:25 am 



Doomers have a tendency to goal seek the end. The problem with doom is doom’s basis is destructive change into a new paradigm. That paradigm is a new systematic state complete with a changed level of economic activity, sociopolitical order, and societal narrative. In our globalized system this will surely mean a population rebalance. All of the above are long term processes that will likely be events at some point. This could happen at any moment of course but it is more likely our global system and the critical nodes of that system will limp on and muddle through decay and dysfunction much longer than the attention span of humans. It is like that day that never ends when one keeps looking up at the clock.

Contrary to all those that want the US to break up and fail as we know it, the US is doing as good or better than others. Economically the US is the least dirty shirt by traditional standards. Politically the US is a mess but there is no large scale evidence of civil strife. In fact this circus called elections is being energized by Trump the outsider who is stirring the pot.

There will likely be an election and more central bank and government action to maintain the economy. The energy sector can be bailed out for national security reasons. Maybe not but there are tools as we know to extend and pretend. This will be a road trip down the highway of collapse but it will be a process until it is an event.

The real issues that will bring the US down is a collapse of the global system. It is the global system that nourishes the US economy. The US is central to that system and a critical node that is too big to fail along with several others. It is natural for the failure of this global system to end the US as we know it for good. This is inconvenient for many that want the US to fail quickly and without collateral damage.

How can we predict when the global economy will fail? That question is more a bet at the casino in the short term. It could happen tomorrow for unknown reasons. Human nature is not predictable so how can you predict panic. Can you predict a global war from the Syrian conflict? We just don’t know how far that conflict may escalate. Climate change could abruptly change but how can we know when in the short term. It will only take one or two years of combination of weather events like drought, floods, and storms to wreak havoc on our food supply and infrastructure. As we know climate events are more unpredictable and severe than ever before. A year or two of historically bad harvests would be enough to freak out the global system with food insecurity and famine. Peak oil dynamics are a brick wall 5 or more years out and not a factor in the next year.

There is nothing internally in the US to warrant the call for it to fall apart by the elections. It is more and more apparent the failures will be in the rest of the world that will eventually bring down the American economy and change the political status quo. Yes, the US may be the last man standing but it will fall the farthest and hardest in many regions that are far too populated and rely on far too many resources.

This board has been preaching the death of the dollar and the US for years now. Where are the Brics when you need them? They were the last best chance for a new global power to take the US down. None of that narrative is happening. What a joke the Bric bank was and all the talk about the Yuan as the new reserve currency. China was supposed to dump US treasures and destroy the US economy. Instead the dollar and US treasuries are more important than ever and the Yuan is in deep crisis. The US will go down just not how many want it to.

Davy on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 5:48 am 



“The Fed’s Nightmare Scenario”
http://www.europac.com/commentaries/feds_nightmare_scenario

“While most economists still want to believe that the recent slowdown in economic growth (.7% annualized in the 4th quarter of 2015, which could be revised lower on Friday) was either caused by the weather, confined to manufacturing, oil related, or just some kind of statistical fluke that will likely reverse in the current quarter, and that the stock market declines of 2016 have resulted from distress imported from abroad, a much more likely trigger for all these developments can be found in the Fed’s own policy.”

“The truth is that the economy may be entering a period of “stagflation” in which very low (or even negative) growth is accompanied by rising prices. This creates terrible conditions for consumers whereby prices rise but incomes don’t. This leads to diminished living standards.”

“The recent uptick in inflation does not somehow invalidate all the other signs that have pointed to a rapidly decelerating economy. Just because inflation picks up does not mean that things are getting better. It actually means they are about to get a whole lot worse. Stagflation is in fact THE nightmare scenario for the Fed. If inflation catches fire now, the Fed will be completely incapable of controlling it. If a measly 25 basis point increase could inflict the kind of damage already experienced, imagine what would happen if the Fed made a real attempt to raise rates to get out in front of rising inflation? With growth already close to zero, a monetary shock of 1% or 2% rates could send us into a recession”

“Once markets figure out that the Fed is all hat and no cattle when it comes to fighting inflation, the bottom should drop out of the dollar, consumer price increases could accelerate even faster, and the biggest bubble of them all, the one in U.S. Treasuries may finally be pricked. That is when the Fed’s nightmare scenario finally becomes everyone’s reality.”

Davy on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 5:55 am 



More examples of the new normal absurdities of central bank economic management.

“There Will Be Hyperinflation” Japanese Lawmaker Warns “Kuroda Got It Wrong” With NIRP”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-22/there-will-be-hyperinflation-japanese-lawmaker-warns-kuroda-got-it-wrong-nirp

“Essentially, Japan has gone the U.S. one better. Where QE stands (or stood) for quantitative easing, QQE stands for quantitative and qualitative easing. The Bank of Japan introduced QQE in April 2013. Today, disappointed by poor growth and below-target inflation, the Bank of Japan announced it was expanding the program in what journalists immediately dubbed QQE2.”

“As for that special word qualitative: Qualitative easing means targeting certain assets to try to drive up their prices and drive down their yields, whereas quantitative easing is unspecific and intends to drive down interest rates across the whole spectrum of assets.”

Apneaman on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 5:59 am 



Davy, you should go work for the MSM given your ability to ramble on and on without actually saying anything.

Davy on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 6:16 am 



“Raoul Pal Previews “The Big Reset”: How The Kondratieff Winter Unwinds”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-22/raoul-pal-previews-big-reset-how-kondratieff-winter-unwinds

“The point at the fact that on a global spectrum, they’re no longer booming and growing economies of any significant magnitude – namely China – can no longer absorb all the deflationary waves of other economies. Raoul reflects on how much of CB liquidity injections (i.e.QE)/monetary expansion has been mainly flowed into the institutions which cannot provide that liquidity to the markets nor the real economy, creating massive mechanical financial black holes of illiquidity.”

“As Pal says: “In the end, we are just part of the business cycle, if you create a debt super-cycle, you are going to get a bust.”

“I think the most likely outcome, in the next recession one of the big uglies comes out. I don’t know which one it’s going it be – it’s a race between China and a 50% deval versus a total collapse internally of their economy because of their credit bubble; whether it’s Japan which we have all been waiting for and it hasn’t happened but maybe it happens; or maybe it’s the European banking sector forcing the hand of everybody else, and suddenly all the collateral in the system is worthless again because the European government bonds are worthless again; whether it’s just the loss of central bank control over the monetary system; whether it’s the dollar wildly overshooting and then maybe some debt jubilee and debt forgiveness that needs to happen. There’s a whole host of things, it’s almost impossible to know which one it is but what we need to care about is not trying to spot the one it’s about is there going to be a domino effect.”

Davy on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 6:27 am 



Apnea you should go to bed because you are getting manic. You have been rambling on for a whole day and night. You are acting like an authority on every issues imaginable. You are so serious about being a joke. I mean you are OK but no rock star. A joke is someone who thinks they are exceptional but really are just ordinary. Just because you have some groupies and online buddies does not make you rock star material. Try starting your own site and get back to me when you are to the point you something special. In the meantime you are trying to find self-worth in the wrong place.

JuanP on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 8:25 am 



Davy “A joke is someone who thinks they are exceptional but really are just ordinary.”

Projecting again, fool?

Davy on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 9:24 am 



Juan, you are another joke. Your extremist jingoism is hillarious.

JuanP on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 10:12 am 



Davy, The difference between you and me is that you care what others here think about you and I don’t because I have a life outside this forum while your life revolves around it. You say you are a farmer, but I think you are lying. I think you are just a nobody with nothing better to do than hang around here every day and night. Even retired forum members seem to have more of a life than you do. How else can you explain your posting endless delusional rants here all day and night long day after day?

You should follow your own advice and write a blog for delusional American exceptionalist cockroaches like you. I think you might find an audience among your ignorant, foolish, delusional compatriots. The USA is full of delusional exceptionalist cockroaches like you. LOL!

Davy on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 10:25 am 



Juan, humm, what did you call it… Projection… Yeap projection. Get a life Juan and preferably in your country not mine. We have enough mentally impacted individuals we don’t need anymore wacos with guns. Go home and quit free loading the country you hate.

JuanP on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 10:53 am 



Fuck you and your country, delusional American exceptionalist prick! I have never free loaded in my life. You are projecting again. I was born with enough money that I could have lived without working all my life, but I chose not to. Go suck your mother’s tit and your father’s dick, goat fucker!

I paid taxes in the USA for 25 years, and I never collected or will collect a penny from the US government in return. I have paid my bills with my own money all my life, something you couldn’t possibly understand. Go back to fucking your papa’s goats on your papa’s farm, one percenter useless moron!

You are right about one thing, though, you do have more mentally ill people in the USA than in any other country in this planet, and you are a perfect example! LOL!

JuanP on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 11:02 am 



The Evil Empire has the world in a death grip, http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/23/the-evil-empire-has-the-world-in-a-death-grip/

twocats on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 11:55 am 



Back to the actual topic at hand. The only real case to be made for TPTB manufacturing a crises which dismantles the US system very quickly over the course of 2016 is the threat of a Bernie (and possibly Trump?) win.

Kunstler has it all wrong – he thinks that Bernie is supposed to be the one that kills the vampire, but the only real play the victim (imagine a long term feeder, like a “house-feeder”) has is to either poison themselves so much that the vampire is forced to give up on them, or somehow lure the vampire into overfeeding and accidentally killing them. What a Bernie/Trump candidacy has the potential to do is for the Masters of the Universe to finally declare what they’ve been pushing for several decades now: that America is hopeless.

The only problem with that is – who is going to act as Enforcer for their Global Cartel? What country is going to Hoo-wah it all over Tarnation?

That is a real problem the Masters face in 2016

Davy on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 12:24 pm 



Looks like I got under someone’s skin. I love when that happens. It won’t be long before Juan takes a break because he can’t handle the mental stress. That’s what happened a few months ago.

J-Gav on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 12:42 pm 



Returning to the election, I suspect Kunstler is right about one thing: i.e. that Hillary probably has her “super-delegate” ducks pretty well lined up.

From a broader perspective though, you have to wonder why anybody in their right mind would actually want to be president at this juncture.

twocats on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 12:54 pm 



From a broader perspective though, you have to wonder why anybody in their right mind would actually want to be president at this juncture. [J-Gav]

Good point J-Gav, and I think that is true for a lot of political positions. And the answer (for politics in general) is: revolving door theory. Multi-Nationals need enough influence in government to to ensure their interests are protected, and those that submit themselves to that process are justly rewarded.

I think that’s why the presidency sticks in the craw of the multis – it’s one of the few positions that can rally on a populist platform opposing a money platform. But short of (ironically) amplifying the imperial executive, a lone president probably can’t do much.

J-Gav on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 1:52 pm 



Twocats,

What you say is true, particularly concerning ‘a lot of political positions,’
say, moving from a spot at the SEC to a fairly high position at Treasury and then on to the board of, say, Boeing or Raytheon… or to a $ multi-million job at some Wall Street bank.

‘Normally,’ if that word still carries any meaning today, a POTUS would not (or, no longer) be caught up in revolving doors, unless we count speaking engagements and such, which is perhaps a defensible argument.

JuanP on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 2:52 pm 



Davy, you don’t get under my skin, but I love fucking with you, your family, your church, and your country because you are all scum. Go feed your twins, I will need meat for my pigs soon!

twocats on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 3:10 pm 



‘Normally,’ if that word still carries any meaning today, a POTUS would not (or, no longer) be caught up in revolving doors, unless we count speaking engagements and such, which is perhaps a defensible argument. [j-gav]

important questions. is too much hay being made of Hillary’s speaking engagements, I think so. She’s your standard establishment candidate, no better, no worse.

even more critical to consider, did obama “sign the deal” prior to being nominated and elected or is it a process of the system changing you once you are inside it. [Granted, he was always left-centrist, but I think he talked a much more progressive game during and shortly after the election than what he did once elected. Do I think he’s a stone cold liar? Absolutely not. So what happened?]

It’s an important question, and even more important if Sanders gets elected. Either he’s a COMPLETELY PATHOLOGICAL liar, or he is Dangerous to the System.

makati1 on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 6:19 pm 



No matter who ‘wins’, the US loses. War is all it can push at this stage in the game and the bigger the better. It has no morals or legal ground to stand on. In every way, it has far exceeded all of the bad governments of history in every way imaginable. It spreads chaos in the name of democracy. War in the name of peace. Theft in the name of Capitalism. All of the world is beginning to see what is really behind the curtain: Greed and Insanity.

Welch on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 6:41 pm 



. “Cinder blocks, plywood, sheet rock, and two by fours won’t cut it.”

I’ve missed my weekly dose of doom. Thanks Juan and Kunstler! Lol

peakyeast on Tue, 23rd Feb 2016 7:24 pm 



I dont think Trump will be eliminated. He has more or less publicly promised the military industrial complex that they will get a lot of stuff to sell.

Its likely that that will be the reason he is elected president.

A system where the votes almost always are just around the 50% is likely to be just as manipulated and corrupt as Zimbabwean elections. – Its just a smarter way – because its difficult for people to expose and understand – and it is sooo exiting – WHO WINS.. every time. Who wins doesnt matter. In reality they are exactly the same just with another flavour and colouring.

Its the same in so many other countries – two fractions – and results always near the 50/50.

Apneaman on Wed, 24th Feb 2016 7:50 pm 



It’s official: ‘Idiocracy’ writer says his satire about a dumber America has become a reality

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/its-official-idiocracy-writer-says-his-satire-about-a-dumber-america-has-become-a-reality/