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Is Your Car Going to Spy on You?

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To repair America’s crumbling roads and bridges, several states and the federal government are toying with the idea of charging drivers by the mile, using data sent from black boxes in every vehicle. It’s a laudable idea, in principle. But supporters are going to have to give more thought to the privacy issues raised by mandating devices capable of plotting your car’s location and reporting on how you are driving it.

The objective is to find a way to augment the money raised by the federal gasoline tax, which has been stuck at 18.4 cents a gallon since 1993. Meanwhile, many U.S. roads are in subpar shape and more than a fifth of our bridges have outlived their useful life or are deemed structurally deficient. The national Highway Trust Fund, underfunded by the gas tax, is being kept alive only through Congress largess and will be broke by 2015.

Since it’s virtually impossible to increase anything called a “tax,” states such as California and 17 others along the I-95 corridor are studying whether to put black boxes in cars and charge a user fee that would be earmarked for improving our roads.

Some argue that this would unfairly penalize drivers who bought cars that get better fuel economy. That’s true, but it’s not persuasive: the downside of improved efficiency is that people tend to drive their cars more, putting added wear and tear on the nation’s highways. A user charge makes up for this additional travel, one of the reasons Bloomberg View’s editorial board supports the concept. Fees also would offset what might be called the Tesla cost — vehicles that don’t run on oil-based fuels skirt taxes at the pump while using the nation’s roads for free.

A more significant hurdle is the privacy issues. Perhaps predictably, those on the far left and right — that would be the American Civil Liberties Union and the Tea Party — are up in arms against the plan. Others may not see why this is such a big deal: After all, we drive around with location services running on our smartphones, use GPS navigators that pinpoint our coordinates, and buy gas with credit cards that leave an electronic record on information networks and bank databases

The difference with the other technologies that reveal our whereabouts is that they retain user choice: You can turn off your mobile phone or the location-service function, consult a road map or buy gas with cash. If the public is going to accept black boxes in their cars, the designers will have to give a comparable level of control to consumers.

So supporters of the mileage-tax concept should ditch any plans to have the boxes do more than count the miles, such as sending signals on how a car is driven — hard braking, fast acceleration, excessive speed and aggressive cornering.

It’s clear why this might information would be valuable: It could help insurers set rates adjusted for risk, and could make it easier for the police to monitor traffic violations and catch criminals. But it’s a step too far, in that it runs afoul of that well-known foundational American principle: What we do and where we go in our cars is our business and nobody else’s.

Bloomberg



12 Comments on "Is Your Car Going to Spy on You?"

  1. BillT on Wed, 20th Nov 2013 1:06 am 

    “Is Your Car Going to Spy on You?”

    Nope! I don’t own one. ^_^

    This is just the beginning of the charges coming to the sheeple. Soon cars will only be for the wealthy. Ditto owning your own home. The masters don’t want their serfs mobile or independent.

  2. James on Wed, 20th Nov 2013 1:59 am 

    O.K. how will they charge users who drive horses on the roads like the Amish, people who ride bicycles in the roads, Etc.? The more the government taxes, the less they will get when people find alternative ways to travel. I hope that if they do resort to using the “black boxes” that they eliminate the gasoline taxes. Last but not least, how will they monitor the trucks who cause more damage than cars do?

  3. rollin on Wed, 20th Nov 2013 2:11 am 

    All that information available to police, insurance, disgruntled spouses, employers, etc. Sounds like life will sure be lots of fun in the future. Almost makes one want to join the doomers to get rid of all this big brother- govgangster action.

    I wonder who is going to make all that money setting up and running this system. It’s going to be expensive.

  4. Dave Thompson on Wed, 20th Nov 2013 3:17 am 

    I see a near future in which The fossil fuels and products made from them will be so expensive no way are we going to maintain the road system let alone have millions of people driving billions of miles year over year. This scenario of monitoring everyone is happening now anyway and there ain’t a damn thing none of us are gonna do to stop it. At least not if you are part of civilization, even living in a cave off the land Google maps will still find you.

  5. DC on Wed, 20th Nov 2013 5:24 am 

    Too funny. Instead of simply raising gas taxes AND taxes on fossil-fuelz, the only idea on the table is GPS-enabled black boxes attached to your GM trash can.

    The ‘logic’ being employed with these tracking devices is seductive.

    Those that use it more-pay more. Well, sounds nice and ‘fair’ right? Except everyone will pay more whether they us it a little or a lot. Of course, one cant help but ask, why does dumbberg assume that gas taxes stuck at the 1993 level is set in stone. A few changes to the relevant paperwork and gas taxes could be raised. Take a few days ‘work’-tops.

    But not in the US of Oil subsidies. Have to shield everyone from the true, and escalating costs of a cars-only lifestyle that has no future. Such a tracking system, would be hideously complex, require as much maintenance and infrastructure, and bureaucrats to oversee as the roadways themselves. Which it is worth noting, are not paying there way now. Why anyone would think schemes like these will make roadways a break-even proposition is anyone guess. Or maybe, just maybe, the backers of such boondoggles see the operation of such a data\tax mining system as being contracted out to the ‘private’ sector job. Would that surprise?

    IF you look at the history of cars only roadways, they never did pay for themselves, even during the ‘golden ages’ of amerikan road building. The costs have always been subsidized either by taxpayers, or by defferring the real costs of the roads onto future generations. They are seeing the results of under-paying for endless road construction in the past coming due now.

    I for one, wouldn’t mind seeing the US commit billions it doest have on tracking systems that likely wouldn’t work as promised to save a transportation system that has no future. It would certainly help accelerate the collapse of the empire.

    So, better bolting them black boxes onto them trash cans amerika! The govt knows where all about your walking and talking thanks to apple. Facebook takes care of your at home activities. Once they bolt that box on-pretty much the only place the corporations and govt wont be able to track you is in your dreams. And there probably working on something for that too…..

  6. Beery on Wed, 20th Nov 2013 9:09 am 

    “vehicles that don’t run on oil-based fuels skirt taxes at the pump while using the nation’s roads for free.”

    Erm… EVERYONE pays taxes for roads. Much of the taxes for road maintenance comes out of the general tax fund, which everyone pays into. That goes for Tesla owners, cyclists, pedestrians and even house-bound disabled and elderly people who do not use the roads.

    The idea that anyone who pays taxes uses the roads “for free” is nonsense.

  7. Beery on Wed, 20th Nov 2013 9:15 am 

    James wrote:
    “O.K. how will they charge users who drive horses on the roads like the Amish, people who ride bicycles in the roads, Etc.?”

    Same way they do now – through the general tax fund.

  8. simonr on Wed, 20th Nov 2013 12:16 pm 

    One wonders why they dont use mileometer/tach readings,
    Yep, they could be faked, but for most people would do the job.

  9. DC on Wed, 20th Nov 2013 9:16 pm 

    Beery is 100% correct. Non-car users subsidize car-drivers, and thus, oil and auto corporations whether they own cars or drive-or not.

    http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/business/story.html?id=186543e6-149d-46dc-85e8-316559a172e1

    So called ‘user-pay’ roads have a nice democratic vibe to them, on the surface. But in reality, such a system wouldnt touch the underlying maze of invisible subsidies or how they are financed, of cars-only transportation. All they would do is add another layer of complexity and cost to a system that cannot be saved. The most direct way to make end-users pay for the roads they use, are fuel taxes of course.

    Europe has a generally good record on this, while the US absolutely refuses to make end-users pay. Canada charges a % based tax, but the vast majority of taxes collected on fuel here, simply goes into general revenues and is not specifically tagged for roadways. This is the case almost everywhere in the world. A GPS-user pay system, besides the obvious privacy problems it raises, would simply be a tax added on top of other already existing taxes. Nor would it be cheap way of collecting taxes. Taxing people at the pump or refinery is dead simple. GPS Black box taxes-not so much.

    Unless of course, the real reason behind them is to get people to voluntarily install a GPS tracker on there trash-can. Something few would do ever on there own no matter how patriotic they profess to be.

  10. Kenz300 on Thu, 21st Nov 2013 2:03 pm 

    Walk, buy a bicycle or use mass transit………

    Cities need to become more people centered and less auto centered.

    Reinventing the rickshaw one city at a time – SmartPlanet

    http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/global-observer/reinventing-the-rickshaw-one-city-at-a-time/

  11. ghung on Thu, 21st Nov 2013 2:29 pm 

    @DC – “Non-car users subsidize car-drivers…”

    Almost everyone uses roads via the products they buy. Virtually all of our consumer goods are delivered by heavy trucks, which cause the most wear and damage to roads and bridges.

    As for the systems being proposed, it’s just another case of a clueless society adding more layers of complexity to systems already drowning in layers of complexity. I’m not sure if it’s hard-coded into our human systems, or just another case of “baffle ’em with bullshit”; hiding costs in a shell game of diminishing returns. No matter how it gets structured, we’ll all end up paying one way or another. It’ll say a lot if Americans won’t agree to higher fuel taxes, but accept being tracked as the price they’ll pay for continuing their car culture. So many Faustian bargains being made, here at the crossroads,, but we’re entitled to all of these things, right?

  12. ghung on Thu, 21st Nov 2013 2:39 pm 

    @ Kenz300 – Rickshaws need roads and bridges too, and many of us don’t live in cities. Besides, it’s the heavy trucks that cause the most wear and damage to roads. People using rickshaws still need to eat and buy consumer goods, at least most of them.

    We need to get heavy freight off of roads and on to (electrified) rail, though that will cause a reduction in highway taxes collected. It’s just another conundrum we’ve blundered into.

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