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If we are reaching neoliberal capitalism’s end days, what comes next?
It is unfashionable, or just embarrassing, to suggest the taken-for-granted late-modern economic order – neoliberal capitalism – may be in a terminal decline. At least that’s the case in what former Australian prime minister Tony Abbott likes to call the “Anglosphere”.
What was once known as the Chicago school of economics – the neoclassical celebration of the “free market” and “small government” – still closes the minds of economic policymakers in the US and its satellite economies (although perhaps less so in contemporary Canada).
But, in Europe, there has always been a deep distrust of the Anglo-American celebration of “possessive individualism” and its repudiation of community and society. Remember Margaret Thatcher’s contempt for the idea of “society”?
So, it is unsurprising that neoliberalism’s advocates dismiss recent European analyses of local, regional and global economies as the nostalgia of “old Europe”, even as neoliberalism’s failures stack up unrelentingly.
The consequences of these failures are largely unseen or avoided by policymakers in the US and their camp followers in the UK and Australia. They are in denial of the fact that not only has neoliberalism failed to meet its claimed goals, but it has worked devastatingly to undermine the very foundations of late-modern capitalism.
The result is that the whole shambolic structure is tottering on the edge of an economic abyss.
What the consequences might be
Two outstanding European scholars who are well aware of the consequences of the neoliberal catastrophe are French economist Thomas Piketty and German economist Wolfgang Streeck.
Piketty’s 2013 book, Capital in the Twenty-First Century, charts the dangers of socioeconomic inequality in capitalism’s history. He demonstrates how this inequality can be – and has been over time – fundamentally destructive of sustained economic growth.
Most compellingly, Piketty documented in meticulous detail how contemporary neoliberal policies have constructed the worst forms of socioeconomic inequalities in history. His analysis has been underlined by the recent Oxfam report that showed a mere eight multi-billionaires own the equivalent amount of capital of half of the global population.
Despite Piketty’s scrupulous scholarship, Western neoliberal economies continue merrily down the road to nowhere. The foundations of that road were laid by the egregiously ideological policies of Thatcher and Ronald Reagan – and slavishly followed by Australian politicians on all sides ever since.
Streeck’s equally detailed scholarship has demonstrated how destructive of capitalism itself neoliberal policymaking has been. His latest book, How Will Capitalism End?, demonstrates how this neoliberal capitalism triumphed over its opponents (especially communism) by devouring its critics and opponents, obviating all possible alternatives to its predatory ways.
If Streeck is correct, then we need to anticipate what a post-capitalist world may look like. He thinks it will be terrible. He fears the emergence of a neocorporatist state and close crony-like collaboration between big capital, union leaders, government and the military as the consequence of the next major global financial crisis.
Jobs will disappear, Streeck believes. Capital will be intensely concentrated in very few hands. The privileged rich will retreat into security enclaves dripping with every luxury imaginable.
Meanwhile, the masses will be cast adrift in a polluted and miserable world where life – as Hobbes put it – will be solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.
What comes next is up to us
The extraordinary thing is how little is known or understood of the work of thinkers like Piketty and Streeck in Australia today.
There have been very fine local scholars, precursors of the Europeans, who have warned about the hollow promises of “economic rationalism” in Australia.
But, like the Europeans, their wisdom has been sidelined, even as inequality has been deepening exponentially and its populist consequences have begun to poison our politics, tearing down the last shreds of our ramshackle democracy.
The time is ripe for some creative imagining of a new post-neoliberal world that will repair neoliberalism’s vast and catastrophic failures while laying the groundwork for an Australia that can play a leading role in the making of a cosmopolitan and co-operative world.
Three immediate steps can be taken to start on this great journey.
First, we need to see the revival of what American scholar Richard Falk called “globalisation from below”. This is the enlivening of international civil society to balance the power of the self-serving elites (multinational managers and their political and military puppets) now in power.
Second, we need to come up with new forms of democratic governance that reject the fiction that the current politics of representative government constitute the highest form of democracy. There is nothing about representative government that is democratic. All it amounts to is what Vilfredo Pareto described as “the circulation of elites” who have become remote from – and haughtily contemptuous of – the people they rule.
Third, we need to see states intervening comprehensively in the so-called “free market”. Apart from re-regulating economic activity, this means positioning public enterprises in strategic parts of the economy, to compete with the private sector, not on their terms but exclusively in the interests of all citizens.
As Piketty and Streeck are pointing out to us, the post-neoliberal era has started to self-destruct. Either a post-capitalist, grimly neo-fascist world awaits us, or one shaped by a new and highly creative version of communitarian democracy. It’s time for some great imagining.
52 Comments on "If we are reaching neoliberal capitalism’s end days, what comes next?"
Cloggie on Sun, 5th Feb 2017 4:19 pm
No need for some creative imagining, it suffices to open your eyes and look around you.
We have decades of unprecedented prosperity behind us and, let’s be honest, nobody here is sleeping in a carton box under a bridge, despite all the rampant pessimism.
The truth is, we have enough. There is no real value in still more stuff.
Individualism has predictably lead to atomized, isolated individuals. Not even marriage and family survived individualism.
There is no alternative for capitalism, other than tamed capitalism. Wealth optimization is no longer the highest value; values like community are becoming more important, or rather the desire for (national) community.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OEerby6uPs
(Marine le Pen today in Lyon, opening the campaign battle for May 2017)
It is the same every where: a rejection of more globalism and return to nationalism. Not an aggressive outward looking nationalism, but an inlooking, anti-interventionist “America First” or “France First”. New borders, fences, a “go of my land” attitude.
Minorities are out. The Silent Majority is beginning to open its mouth. A huge anti-globalist correction is underway.
onlooker on Sun, 5th Feb 2017 4:22 pm
Neither what is coming is Collapse as in die off and the end to any semblance of what we would call Civilization. We put our chips all into technology and Fossil fuels well too bad cause it is all going to collapse like a demolition. Hopefully, in the rubble and aftermath the survivors will have finally learned profound lessons.
JuanP on Sun, 5th Feb 2017 5:57 pm
In Uruguay only the one percenters believe in neoliberal capitalism. Uruguay’s population is mostly socialist. The country has had social security, free universal health care and free education at all levels since before I was born. This neoliberal capitalism thing is mostly a USA phenomenon.
makati1 on Sun, 5th Feb 2017 6:19 pm
JuanP, You and I know that but Americans think the whole world is like the one they live in. The Philippines is similar to Uruguay in that it has social security, free healthcare and even free college starting next September. They have elections but there are more than two parties. This is more the typical world outside of America. But Americans will never know because they are brainwashed and most never leave the country to see what the rest of the world is really like.
DerHundistlos on Sun, 5th Feb 2017 10:38 pm
Cloggie is right in that as much as people complain, life is damn good for most.
My first job was at age 13 when I worked as a caddy at an exclusive private country club. We were paid $3 for four hours of hard work, and if we were really pleasing the golfer we were rewarded with either a candy bar or a soda at the ninth hole. Guess what? We were so grateful for the work, and there were enough caddies to meet the demand. This was a Jewish members only country club. Ironically, the club had a tradition of hiring only German help due to their hard work, discipline. reliability, and honesty. This policy had to change with a change to the immigration laws in the 1960s. Today there are zero caddies. The club can’t find anyone to work this job regardless of the pay, although there is a great demand as golfers prefer to walk the course for exercise. Yet, all I hear is how bad things are in the US…..something does not compute.
David on Sun, 5th Feb 2017 11:43 pm
You clamor for the end of the current economic order but by your own admission, the thing that is likely to supplant is far worse. Seems very hypocritical.
GregT on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 12:04 am
“an objective view on investing, natural resource management”
Now that’s funny David, in a sad kind of way. We can’t even manage ourselves, let alone ‘natural resources’, and ‘investing’ printed pieces of paper in return for a much less hospitable planet for future generations is not only hypocritical, it is morally, and ethically, inept.
GregT on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 12:52 am
“We have decades of unprecedented prosperity behind us and, let’s be honest, nobody here is sleeping in a carton box under a bridge, despite all the rampant pessimism.”
http://cdn.pulptastic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/img31.jpg
makati1 on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 1:49 am
GregT, I doubt he has been in any big cities lately. I remember in 2005, it was common to see “Street People” sleeping on the streets of Philly. Downtown, not on the fringes. I doubt that the number is any smaller now. One old lady had three grocery shopping carts full of her junk with a warn tarp pulled over them to sleep under on the sidewalk. This was in winter.
Yes, I see them here in Manila also. It is common in 3rd world countries. Does that mean that the U$ is no longer 1st world? Maybe. It surly is a sign of things to come. At least here, they will not freeze to death when they sleep.
joe on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 2:40 am
Only the problem is what is called capitalism is in name only. The US engages in free trade under wto rules. Companies are created and demand is created in a planned way. The fiat dollars are pumped out into the system and the rest is easy. Americans are conditioned to be receptive to marketing and to consume at all costs.
Its this system which is in such peril, millenials are already facing the destruction of that system. They already consume less than their parents and can afford far less than their parent could at their age. A huge transfer of wealth between generations is needed to fix it, otherwise their children will be looking for jobs in Mexican factories.
Theedrich on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 3:34 am
The alternative to capitalism is Robin Hood. This is what the lower IQs, sob sisters and tort lawyers of the world want. It will enable them temporarily to escape the pressures of evolution under the pretext of “compassion,” “anti-fascism,” etc. The fast-breeding microcephalics of our species everywhere demand Marxism in one form or another, complete with its gulags for evil Whites. Apologists for this escapist ideology range from the religious (e.g., Pope Francis) to the nihilistically violent (e.g., the recent anti-Trump rioters).
Simplistic “solutions” to the problems of decline abound everywhere: there are calls for more marijuana and other narcotics to make recreation more fun, for more illegal alien parasites to make the West more compassionate, for more windmills to solve our energy problems, for the abolition of sexual differentiation, and many other sophomoric pipe dreams. The “great” religion of female genital mutilation successfully demands that its own theocratic totalitarianism be imposed on the evil White world. And, of course, self-blinding Whitey (“Why can’t well all just get along?”) cannot bring himself to take the necessary measures for his own preservation — to the delight of university presidents everywhere.
Who would have guessed that the West’s new heroes would be Stalin and Mao?
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 5:33 am
This site is replete with anti-Americans whose goal seek is diminishment and discredit. Most are from the hypocritical Anglosphere. I think I despise them so much because I hate hypocrisy above all else but that is just me. Many are homegrown Americans that feel guilty and want to pander to this populism by showing how much more they can hate America and themselves. They have a special self-hate that is pathetic. Many here are old white guys and many single. Many are highly educated and many engineers. WTF, like that sample of people is going to know what is going on in the US. Give me a break please.
The US is a huge geographic area of a diversity of cultures mixed together. It is one of the richest and poorest of nations of the world. It has some of the finest examples of civilization and the worst. Tell me how that fits the US is only bad. What is bad and getting worse is the American dream. What is dead is the American Empire. What is coming is a cold civil war of the social fabric ripping. Big changes are ahead because those who are not privileged have said no. They are only partly correct because a populous leader told them that “it” will be better but it can’t. Fellas (Trumpsters), I am telling you the American dream is toast. The rich privileged elite hots spots where the most educated and wealthy tend to live cannot continue their unholy wealth transfer. Their armies of discombobulated politically incorrect political correct are pissing in the wind. They will have to yield their influence and privilege to a world in decline. Trump many be removed but this trend will not.
If globalism continues to decline and now rapidly with a nouveau nationalism the American influence and wealth transfer will decline even more. One thing about globalism was a US centric domination at the top with the wealthiest. Today it is more balanced but still strongly US. Count up all the US billionaires. These people will see their affluence decline when their money and influence cannot wander the world. The US is partly a 3rd world country. Traditionally it was significantly unequal until we tried to invent this fantasy called the American dream. Post WWII and abundant fossil fuels created a temporary new world order. In the process of creating this world we destroyed a planet. In that respect yes America is grotesque but it was not alone. Today Asia is the most grotesque. Asia is combining the same failed principals but with 4.5BIL people. We now have no hope with this ravenous juggernaut.
Binary thinking has been thrown around by a few brains here mainly as criticism. They need to look in the mirror. I have been accused of it. AAH, I think it is called being human. Binary thinking says America is good or bad according to agenda. People hate America here because they hate themselves. Lots of pissed off old white guys whose dicks are going limp. Let’s try to keep things objective because it looks smarter. We have lots of guest that visit and enjoy their time here. Let’s look smart and not retarded. We actually have a vital message unfortunately with very little hope. One slither of hope is the worst of what is America might be in the process of being diminished. The best thing for the world now would be a smaller America. That appears to be in the works. It is a pity it is likely too little too late.
makati1 on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 6:15 am
Davy, as usual, you are full of grade A bullshit. Pathetic American whiner. You have a very small fan club of like minded snowflakes. Don’t let it blow your head up any bigger than it is or it may pop. lol
Hubert on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 6:17 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaPnu9LciuI&t=1560s
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 6:44 am
Could it be makatiland is not what we are being told? LOLhoo. Makati, if you are commenting after my comment then I know I said something of impact. Do you really think I care what you think about me personally? I do make it a point to tear down your disregard for the truth. Your lies are wrong and it has been my dedicated effort to expose your sleaze. Go get yourself another San Miguel and enjoy your 80 degrees. I picture you up on the 27th floor of that cheap condo by a little ugly pool tapping on your computer trying to tell me how screwed I am and how wonderful you are. This is so much fun because your whole world is so easy to shatter. I guess the Mormon priestess you once were is still in your mentality with such stories. Back here in the real world life is tough for everyone. There is no club med makatiworld where idealized peasants and the evil empire of horrible Americans. Give the boyfriend a kiss for me he is likely the only reason you have a roof over you.
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 7:04 am
I think this is the reason I like Trump so much. At least in this case he is not afraid to tell it like it is and it is this way. No one has killed more in the world recently than the US and its coalition of hypocrites. This does not mean I am a supporter. If I am a supporter it is only of his results and not who he is. At lease he is honest sometimes unlike the “lyin left”. Binaries here will accuse you of support if you like something. They are either or and all or none.
“Unaccpetable And Insulting”: Kremlin Demands Apology From Fox News For Calling Putin “A Killer”
http://tinyurl.com/jtozzdu
“Trump did not name specific US officials or officials among Washington’s allies as killers, but mentioned the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 as an example of why he did not consider America to be innocent, saying that “a lot of people were killed” there. Needless to say, the Cheney family did not like that very much:
.@POTUS statement suggesting moral equivalence between Putin’s Russia and the United States of America is deeply troubling and wrong.
— Liz Cheney (@Liz_Cheney) February 5, 2017
In January last year, after a British judge ruled that Putin had “probably” authorized the murder of former KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko in London, Trump said he saw “no evidence” the Russian president was guilty. “First of all, he says he didn’t do it. Many people say it wasn’t him. So who knows who did it?” Trump said. The US president’s remarks sparked anger among many figures in the American establishment, who have criticized him for seemingly putting the US on the same moral ground as Russia.”
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 7:21 am
Well, lookie there, the rich asshole lefties of Silicon Valley whining about money. Mostly west coast’ers where libertard left basks in the glow of wealth, privilege and elitism. Whining about the money is a big giveaway of true intentions. You can call I guy a dick but don’t get in his pocket. No, it is not about the poor immigrant from the nations of the world the hypocritical Silicon Valley CEO’s helped destroy through their products. We know they are intricately tied up in high tech MIC. Nope, it is about their billionaire bottom lines and all their liberal asshole employees that make 3 times what they deserve. Many of these employees shipped in under the excuse not enough smart Americans and they are too expensive. This is certainly true but we don’t need this industry to begin with. This industry is killing the country and the world. This is further about beautiful west coast cities engaged in global wealth transfer. These idiots are all about immigration on the bottom line but not near their wealthy enclaves. Give me a break please. One thing about libertard is their lies are shallow and all you need to do is follow the money to see where they really stand.
“97 Tech Companies Including Twitter, Netflix File Legal Brief Condemning Trump’s Immigration Order”
http://tinyurl.com/gpjfgl7
“The onslaught targeting President Trump’s immigration executive order continued overnight, when virtually all US tech corporations, from Apple to Zynga, including Twitter, Netflix, Google, and Microsoft, banded together late on Sunday to file an “impassioned” brief condemning Trump’s temporary immigration ban, arguing that it “inflicts significant harm on American business.”
sunweb on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 7:53 am
I agree with Davy (as usual) we are a spectrum of lives, classes and economies. We (mainly USA but not only) have been assaulting for resource. The question is not simply who benefits from the end result of the wars but from the total action of the wars. The bottom line is the bottom line. Our men and women have lined the coffers of big business and the very wealthy. And often the result of the conflict also lines the coffers of big business and the very wealthy while the common people live with wounds physical, psychological and spiritual.
Blinding ourselves, some of us gain employment, some gain access to materials and goodies from the low paying labor and natural resources purloined as a results of our bullying, aggressions and our arms sales. Dulled by inertia, seduced by promises of “trickle down”, conned by propaganda, we are numbed by the narcotic of things. Grabbing the coat tails and gladly distracted by the “red carpet glitter”, we aspire to emulate the merchants and bankers of war. And we keep silent.
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 7:56 am
Precisely the people that lead us into the gauntlet of death now whining about Trump:
“The Economist Warns “The World Must Prepare For Trouble” Under Trump”
http://tinyurl.com/j4xsgz2
“Scared yet? You should be… except President Trump is seemingly enacting exactly what the American people want and voted for – which is an awkwardly democratic thorn stuck in the paw of the establishment lion, who is salivating stubbornly hoping his drool can eviscerate the painful insurgent. Three words are what they must truly come to comprehend – four more years.”
Well, not really “exactly what the American people want and voted for”. The reality is a little less than half voted for Trump and many of those were protest votes against clear and utter failure of the libertard’s crime syndicate candidate. The American people don’t know what they want. Basically they want what they can’t have or what is not real. That pretty much sums up the world and why we are all doomed.
efarmer on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 10:22 am
The next big thing will be “Shenaniganized Ad Hoc Riggerism”.
Apneaman on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 11:18 am
Davy, here’s some more of your new tribes handy work.
Caught on camera: Swastika carved into wall of local synagogue during services
http://abc6onyourside.com/news/nation-world/swastika-carved-into-wall-of-local-synagogue-during-services
Don’t forget to infect your boys with your new hate fever.
Oh, and don’t try and kid yourself that you can separate that part out of it – you can’t. In times like these, you’re in one of the tribes all the way or not.
Apneaman on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 11:26 am
It’s the end times for the humans – 1 lifetime left. In the meantime it’s ripping each other apart until the end. Don’t feel too bad about it, it how evolution made you to act in overshoot.
Antidote to Civil War? Or Precursor?
“One of the first courses I took in Sociology 101 taught me an invaluable lesson I have never forgot. It was a study of inter-racial relations among the (primarily Vietnamese) shrimp fishermen and the people of South Florida. The study found a strong, direct and inverse relationship between the state of the local economy and the quality of the interactions among ethnic groups. When times were good people were tolerant and welcomed diversity. The worse the economy became, the more bigotry appeared, and if it got bad enough there were outbreaks of violence.
Everything I have seen in the ensuing decades has confirmed for me the simple fact that people choose racism primarily when they are experiencing financial hardship, and want — no, need — someone to blame. Some “other” kind of person. easily identifiable as an enemy. The worse the hardship, the more violent, widespread and prolonged the expressions of blame/hate.
Is this Trump’s America? Yes and no. It is remarkable that hate crimes, including attacks on synagogues and mosques, and the defacing of public spaces with swastikas, have increased dramatically since his election. But it would be a serious mistake to attribute this only to him and the people who voted for him.”
http://www.dailyimpact.net/2017/02/05/antidote-to-civil-war-or-precursor/
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 12:06 pm
How could that be my tribe Ape, we don’t have any of those things around here. You may be mixing up Clog and I. You get that way when you get flustered.
Apneaman on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 12:08 pm
Don’t feel too bad about it, it how evolution made you to act in overshoot.
“We are “political” animals from birth until death. Everything we do or say can be seen as part of lifelong political agendas. Despite decades of scientific warnings, we continue to destroy our life-support system because that behavior is part of our inherited (DNA, RNA, etc.) hard wiring. We use scientific warnings, like all inter-animal communications, for cementing group identity and for elevating one’s own status (politics).
Only physical hardship can force us to rewire our collective-political agendas. I am certainly not the first to make the observation, but now, after 25 years of study and debate, I am totally certain. The “net energy principle” guarantees that our global supply lines will collapse.
The rush to social collapse cannot be stopped no matter what is written or said. Humans have never been able to intentionally-avoid collapse because fundamental system-wide change is only possible after the collapse begins.
What about survivors? Within a couple of generations, all lessons learned from the collapse will be lost, and people will revert to genetic baselines. I wish it weren’t so, but all my experience screams “it’s hopeless.” Nevertheless, all we can do is the best we can and carry on…”
http://www.dieoff.org/
Apneaman on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 12:14 pm
Davy I’m a havin me a fluster fest for sure.
Just looking the other way and remaining silent is enough for it to grow, but it’s probably too late now and it is inevitable no matter what. It’s the overshoot curse. Same shit different century. Same as it ever was.
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 12:16 pm
Ape no one on this board spreads more hate than you and Makati. You da masta of discontent. That’s what I admire about you libertards. The way you cure hate is with hate or you love them to death, literally. That is very clever and I guess that is cause you folks are so educated. Poor people around here are not that smart. I love when rich smart people talk about social justice.
Apneaman on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 12:28 pm
Davy, there will come a point when most illegal immigrant supporting liberals go silent. When they start going hungry, their evolutionary protection instincts (fear) will kick in. Currently, in Canada you can’t complain about immigrants because the illegals are much more regulated. Ya they actually enforce the migration rules mostly. I haven’t heard any right, center right politicians yaking about it yet, but it will come.
BTW – Thanks for being a buffer zone between Canada and Mexico and central & south america. They get more dopamine hits as soon as they get to America than they ever dreamed of and forget all aboot the great white north.
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 12:54 pm
Ape, you have not thought this through. The next wave with be desperate Americans rolling north in numbers that will make the Mexicans look like a Sunday school cake walk. I feel for you guys up there with so few of you and so many of us. I would be uncomfortable with the subject too. A big fat 400LBS woman going to sit on your face. You can try to scream but no one will hear you. What a way to go.
GregT on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 1:39 pm
The Mexicans are mainly resettling the lands annexed by the US in the early 1800s. Alta California, Nuevo Mexico, and Coahuila Y Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mexico_1824_(equirectangular_projection).png
GregT on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 1:40 pm
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Mexico_1824_%28equirectangular_projection%29.png
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 2:23 pm
Nice Greg but that means nothing for you when we savage Americans cross over into Canada and annex you like we did the Mexicans but this time it will be squatters rights by millions of desperates. Then it was ugly 19th century winner takes all diplomacy now it will be just good old fashion panic. It will still feel like a 400LBS woman on your face.
Cloggie on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 2:43 pm
The Canadian government has the plan to the increase the Canadian population with 1% Chinese every year.
http://tinyurl.com/htv4j6d
http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2016/02/henry-yu-canada-must-become-asian-to-overcome-white-supremacism.html
I think it is a good idea that the US shifts north, the Canadians won’t resist anyway, probably less than the Indians of former fame. If the US doesn’t invade, the Canadians like Friday will piss their country away to China anyway or Africa.
GregT on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 2:44 pm
Yah, I hear you on the 400LBS women epidemic. Fortunately, I seriously doubt any of them would survive the swim.
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 2:54 pm
Just talkin straight with ya friend. There are some big girls south of the border here. Saddle up cowboy.
GregT on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 2:59 pm
“this time it will be squatters rights by millions of desperates”
And what exactly do you believe that those millions of desparates would be looking for Davy? Not much up here in Canuckistan, other than millions of acres of empty wilderness. Chances of city folk surviving the first month, would probably be less than one in a hundred thousand.
Apneaman on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 3:13 pm
Davy, calling me a liberal proves beyond all doubt that you have drank the entire fucking jug of Kool Aid. Like I pointed out a hundred times before – you can tell the most brainwashed disciples because they view/label any criticism, of the leader or movement, as “The” enemy and because it’s the US rightwingnuts that means liberal. The primitive manichaean propaganda does not allow any other labels – it’s black or white, left or white. I thought you Americans had a category call independant? What happened to that? Propaganda central sent out a notice that the term is no longer to be used? For us or against us and that’s it. You have been arguing and flinging shit at me for over 3 years -some real nasty stuff and your last comment is the first time you have ever called me a liberal as a slander and only started implying I was one a couple of weeks ago. Why is that Davy? Why is it only now that you are putting down others by calling them Liberal? I never heard you call any other regulars a liberal either except Kenz and when you talked about them as a group you usally said they were hopey green dreamers and such. Now they are the root of all EVIL!!! Were you retarded all this time and they recently found a cure? Now you’ve seen the light? Kinda like someone finding Jesus – Davy the born again right wingnut. Very obvious, but not out of the ordinary. I see the same “new” attitudes from both insane American tribes. That’s right Davy it’s an American thing. I told you before I’m 50 and not once have I ever met anyone who defined/named themselves after any of the political parties in Canada. “I’m a NDP” You would be laughed at. You just got a little confused because the wanna be American from Holland is so fucking loud you think the whole world is like y’all – it’s not. Undoubtedly clog has helped convert you. I have never voted and the only tribe I belong to is my family. No need to cling to some group and unquestionably adopt the prefabricated beliefs conjured up by their high priests made to control a group of needy humans. Y’all gone crazy.
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 3:24 pm
Called you liberal so you would say who you really are. It called baiting around here in these parts and you took it. Got-cha. Now what do I do with you. Hey, anyone know how to skin a possum?
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 3:38 pm
On a serious note Ape. You remind me of Cornel Kurtz in “Apocalypse Now”….The horror, the horror..he represents nihilism. Cloggie is the guy sent to eliminate you.
joe on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 3:48 pm
Clog is a proto-Nazi that’s all. Foolishly he believes in a unified Europe. While his dear lady leader Um Merkel pissed away Europe’s unity on unity with Islam he thinks Europe’s Donald, Donald Tusk has his best interests at heart. These are the people who cried when Trump robbed them of TTIP the very tool America could have used to end socialism in Europe, so that EU criminal leaders (I mean litterally, the Romanians pro EU government tried to make corruption legal) can stick their finger up cloggie but while cloggie jerks off to the EU flag, probobly to the soothing sounds of Warner.
joe on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 3:51 pm
Hey maybe Davy is Cloggie. That makes sense, two crazies, multiple personality disorder, they post similar amounts of bullshit. Take a prozac clog/dave, get some sleep. Its the end of days, don’t worry.
Davy on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 4:03 pm
Joe, and you are boat. Who won that charade? Oh and you need viagra.
Cloggie on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 4:53 pm
Oh my, the old British routine of virtue signaling. His capital is already overtaken by Muslims, but little Englaender joe is still rambling about Natzis. Probably the only ones who could have saved Britain from suicide.
Clog is a proto-Nazi that’s all.
Oops, I see that you watched the brand new Beeb documentary that finally got rid of a 3 century old British lie, namely that the Dutch invasion of Britain and Northern Ireland was anything but a military conquest.
It was a military conquest. The invasion that was erased from history:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9PRYhT09l0
In joe’s eyes the Dutch must be the new Nazis now. They are never going to forgive us 1688.
I wonder how many centuries it will take for the British to get rid of a lot of other “fibs”.
Like the British plan to destroy Germany, originating from 1891:
https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-Secret-Origins-First-ebook/dp/B00CPR6IWK/ref=sr_1_1
Or like why Rudolf Hess flew to Britain in 1941 and why the British secret service killed him in Spandau/Berlin, when the naive Gorbatchev had proposed to release him as a gesture of good-will.
And then there is the Hollowcause. The British had beaten up Auschwitz commander Hoess for two days until he signed his “confession”.
Or the British preparation for the Syrian “civil war” in 2011.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz-s2AAh06I
And then there is the Boer war and the first concentration camps.
Why don’t you roll over and die and disappear from history.
You folks are the most despicable people on the face of this earth.
Cloggie on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 5:13 pm
the wanna be American from Holland is so fucking loud
I can assure you that my first loyalty is with Holland and Europe next.
Apneaman on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 7:18 pm
Clog then how come you spend all your time Trump pumping? Don’t you have you’re own sub human retard leaders to hero worship? Perhaps you love both? A hero swinger…..slut. What’s up with this Geert Wilders? Ain’t he another one of your alt right poster boys? Hey, what kinda name is Geert anyway? Holy fuck his parents must have hated him to hang a stupid fucking name like that on him. “Geert the hell outa here”. I don’t really know anything about him, but I already hate him because of his name. Don’t y’all have an election coming up in tulip land? Let me guess, you voting for Geert the hell out?
Apneaman on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 11:12 pm
Tribes Trump Reality: War is Probable
“Today we have two angry bickering tribes within the most powerful country on earth. Each tribe comprises about 50% of the population. Neither tribe has a story grounded in reality or truth. Each thinks the other is the cause of the very real thermodynamically based pain it is experiencing. Neither understands what is going on. Inherited denial of reality blocks each from learning what is going on.”
https://un-denial.com/2017/02/05/tribes-trump-reality-war-is-probable/
Apneaman on Mon, 6th Feb 2017 11:33 pm
Mike Pence Disappointed God Has Never Asked Him To Kill One Of Own Children
“WASHINGTON—Saying he would surely rise to the occasion if tasked by the Almighty with the ultimate test of faith, Vice President Mike Pence said Monday that he was disappointed that God has never called upon him to kill one of his own children. “It’s just heartbreaking that the Lord hasn’t summoned me once to show my dedication to Him by sacrificing one of my precious kids,” said Pence, telling reporters that he has spent years waiting for any sign at all from the Heavenly Father that he should ritually slaughter one of his three children. “They’re grown now, so I’m starting to think I’ll never get the chance to offer the blood of any of them to prove my unshakable devotion. Heck, I’d put all three on an altar if that’s what He wanted.” Pence added that he would nevertheless keep a sharp dagger at the ready in the unlikely event God someday asks him to kill one of his grandchildren.”
http://www.theonion.com/article/mike-pence-disappointed-god-has-never-asked-him-ki-55239
Cloggie on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 3:24 am
Clog then how come you spend all your time Trump pumping?
Because he is offering the opportunity for Europe to escape from the US empire (read: George Soros run deep state) and reverse 1945. And to offer the opportunity for the European-Americans to escape from Washington as well after the lefties in Europe are politically destroyed in the wake of the Trump victory and in a couple of years we have an army to come to the aid of the American “constitutionslists” and we can finally get rid of commie trash like you.
Next we are going to transform the European-Americans of the “exceptionalist” variety into a fine new European nation on North-American soil and a solid member of the “Ummah of the white race”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah
Trump could mean the return of Europe to geopolitical prominence and the end of America as we know it.
That’s the only reason why I like Trump, not because of his casino’s, energy policy, pussy grabbing, limo’s, reality shows, fake wrestling contests, beauty pageants, etc..
He is precisely the boorish alpha male required to destroy the Soros run establishment and pave the way for something new. “Creative destruction” as Davy has called it.
Davy on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 3:39 am
More grotesque “deep state” money paying for the “alligator tears” of the libitard left. Tech giants and evil billionaires behind a lawsuit means something stinks. This is not snowflake white liberal love but pathetic more of the same of the pay to play liberal elite playing their power games. I will take Trump any day over this scum. Trump says it how it is and it more than likely sounds bad at least for sensitive snowflakes. Libitards cry alligator tears when the reality is a whole lot different.
“Is Soros The Source Of Funds Behind The “Muslim Ban” Lawsuits?”
http://tinyurl.com/jkqqmzk
“Of course, mounting this scale of legal crusade is extremely costly, a concern which, as we noted last week, was seemingly alleviated by a massive surge in contributions to the American Civil Liberties Union. According to the Washington Post, the lawsuits filed by the ACLU prompted a tidal wave of donations which totaled over $24 million in a single weekend, or roughly 6 times the organization’s average annual donation tally.”
“But raising that kind of money that quickly is difficult to do at $20 a pop. Which is why we weren’t terribly surprised to see a note from LifeZette this morning confirming what is likely implicitly understood by most people already, namely that the lawsuits filed against Trump’s immigration executive order largely stem from organizations bankrolled by billionaire leftist George Soros and Democratic state attorneys general. According to LifeZette and the Capital Research Center, Soros’s Open Society Institute has given over $35 million to the ACLU alone and millions more to other liberal organizations directly involved in filing lawsuits all around the country.”
Davy on Tue, 7th Feb 2017 5:08 am
Meanwhile stagflation does not sleep. Demand destruction continues slowly eating away at the status quo:
“Fed Loan Officers Survey Shows Demand Is Tumbling”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-06/fed-loan-officers-survey-shows-demand-tumbling
“If ever there was proof that ‘hope’ is not a strategy, it is the 2017 Q1 Fed Senior Loan Officer Survey. Despite soaring confidence, spiking optimism, and striking gains in financial assets, demand for loans (from credit cards to autos to residential and commercial) have all plunged in the last 3 months. Loan Demand collapsed across all asset classes in 2017 Q1”
Jerome Purtzer on Wed, 8th Feb 2017 11:13 am
I think that the Donald is merely continuing the transfer of wealth that started under Ronald Reagan. This is by the Donald’s own admission. W was the second coming with massive tax cuts for the super rich and big corporations. The Donald has stated his intent to stimulate the economy by the same methods. Once again, a large block of the electorate has been convinced that this “new” leader is on the side of the working man and once again the working man will be sorely disappointed. Call it what you will, “compassionate conservatism”, “trickle down, float all boats” the methodology is not revolutionary, it’s not even new. The result will be the same, out of control deficits, more spending on the military and more blame heaped on the poor. Once again the most elemental and critical problems facing us, environmental degradation, population overshoot, resource depletion, net energy wall….will be ignored. Bickering and blame will preface the new civil war.