How To Burn An American Flag

80 Comments on "How To Burn An American Flag"

joe on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 12:25 pm 



Insert false flag distraction argument here.

dave thompson on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 1:04 pm 



Gotta love the flag burning non-issue non-sense. Trump has been officially informed that his duty is to do as he is told. By the real PTB.

penury on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 2:47 pm 



I thought that this issue was settled during our protests in the 60sm nice to see short term memory lives.

Go Speed Racer on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 3:32 pm 



The pattern of Trump is clear.
He periodically throws red meat to
his base, by method of twitter
messages that are fairly outlandish.

Here, he wants jail time for those who
burn the American flag. But what’s
missing is Supreme Court reality.
It was already decided to be free
speech. Obama was more
egghead, he would not broadcast
a bunch of right wing noise that
goes against law and the Constitution.
The right will never forgive Obama for
having some IQ.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/29/trump-suggests-loss-of-citizenship-or-jail-for-those-who-burn-u-s-flags/

Similarly, Trump might tweet out
‘anybody who refuses to carry a
gun in their lunch pail, will go to
prison for not defending the USA’.

Or Trump could tweet, ‘Re-open
Guantanamo Bay and throw Obama
and the liberals into there’.
See how that works? No basis in
reality, but the red meat base eats it
up. His base is fairly crazy, living in trailers
at the Gun Range. So he is whipping
those people into fits of insanity by
broadcasting this stuff to their
cellphones 24/7.

What’s most incredible is he doesn’t
lose more votes than he gains, with
such a strategy. But there are so
many disgruntled voters at all tiers of
society, the more educated ones
just ignore his twitter noise, don’t
receive it or care about it, but still
they supported Trump due to
Hillary’s overdosing on political
correctness.

Lastly Trump will be a repeat of Bush
Jr, so in next 4years look for him and
his rich buddies to drive away with everything
that is not bolted down.

That will be the real agenda.

Apneaman on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 3:41 pm 



Go Speed Racer, the tweet machine will be used to full effect when the jobs don’t come and more benefits are cut and all the hidden taxes and fees increase. A great tool for deflecting blame and directing their anger to any number of sub groups with no real power and influence. Straight out of the fascist playbook – encourage their victimhood and direct their anger elsewhere. Same shit, different century.

Davy on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 3:56 pm 



I could give a shit about what Trump is saying, really. Does any politician say anything of substance anymore? NO. Accept maybe Putin sometimes. What I like about Trump Tweets is the effect. He is telling the press corps to go f**K themselves. One of the institution I despise the most is modern journalism. If you are a journalist then you should be ashamed of yourself. You epitomize sleaze and disgust.

Apneaman on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 5:05 pm 



Davy, didn’t you say you voted for Trump because he said he would normalize relations with Russia? How come what trump says is not in the same category? Trump maybe a rookie politician but he has a huge laundry list of lying and deceit – still has people sueing him for his scamming. I guess there is some magic that nullifies his bad past behaviour (decades of it) that I’m not aware of.

The humans and their infinite rationalizations. Guaranteed to continue even as all the promises are broken. Same a the Hillary fan boys and girls blind themselves to her shit and Obama’s shit. Americans and their tribal clinging and bullshit.

Trump sucks cock and so do his fan boys.

Apneaman on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 5:08 pm 



Bid daddy Trump is making the other Big Club members happy. The Cancer bros luvs them some Trump. There will be nothing for you non club members – suckers.

The Koch brothers couldn’t be happier with Donald Trump’s cabinet appointees

For all his talk about draining the swamp, there sure will be a lot of Koch confidants in Trump’s cabinet

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/29/the-koch-brothers-couldnt-be-happier-with-donald-trumps-cabinet-appointees/

Apneaman on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 5:15 pm 



Trump’s latest Cabinet picks signal he has no intention of governing as a populist outsider

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/29/13776914/trump-cabinet-devos-chao-price

lube up real good kids

Apneaman on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 5:42 pm 



What Populism? Trump’s America Is Party Time for the Corporate Elite

Trump’s corporate takeover of federal agencies

“The leader of the would-be populist working-class party has invited rogues’ gallery of insiders—corporate lawyers, investment fund managers, corporate executives and wonks hailing from corporate-backed think tanks—to populate the “landing teams” that are doing the nitty-gritty work of transitioning government agencies from control by the outgoing Obama administration to the incoming Trump regime.

It turns out that nearly three-quarters of the landing teams come from the corporate world or corporate-affiliated think tanks, according to a Public Citizen review.

And, although the Trump team has kicked registered lobbyists off the transition, at least 13 of the 71 landing team members have been registered lobbyists in the past, some as recent as last year.”

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/11/29/what-populism-trumps-america-party-time-corporate-elite

Doing it for to the little guy.

Make the 1% great again.

Davy on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 5:52 pm 



If you understand what I said then you would see my point that Trump as a man does not matter at this time in history. He is the trigger for a new direction of accelerated collapse. His policies will be better collapse policies. This does not mean they matter whether they are better or worse just in the right direction. Yet, who knows he is so untested and unpredictable. In regards to the collapse this is better becuase it will disrupt the status quo by incongruity. My point is changes are needed for us to adapt better to collapse and the status quo is not part of that. Trump may not turn out status quo.

makati1 on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 6:55 pm 



US (Made in China) flag burning will soon be a popular pastime in America. Augmented by the use of those ~300 million guns in the hands of the public. The burning of cities. Looting. Rape. The usual venting of hate and envy.

Americans do not handle ‘want’ very well. Instant gratification is the rule. They will handle ‘need’ even worse as only a small percentage ever experienced real ‘need’. 320+ million spoiled brats suddenly deprived of the ‘exceptional/indispensable’ life style they were promised for eternity. I’m glad I don’t live there anymore.

Hubert on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 8:56 pm 



Trump was just trolling Hillary. Hillary wanted the same thing in 2005.

makati1 on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 10:44 pm 



Another proof of human insanity…

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2016/11/28/Scientists-consider-potential-of-honey-bee-brood-as-food-source/6651480354954/

Talk about eating the goose that lays the golden eggs…

makati1 on Tue, 29th Nov 2016 10:46 pm 



Hubris, you mean the old hag that is skimming the edge between death and prison?

makati1 on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 12:07 am 



“The world is a book, and those that don’t travel read only one page.” – St Augustine

Cloggie on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 4:29 am 



Trump maybe a rookie politician but he has a huge laundry list of lying and deceit

We all know that Trump is a bragging bad-ass with bad-karma money from casino’s in Vegas. That’s not the point. The point is that you can define someone by his enemies. Exactly the right enemies.

https://www.radioislam.org/islam/roligt/economy/george-soros-puppetmaster.jpg

http://www.conservativedailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Soros-World-620.jpg

The only way to defeat these enemies are bulldozing bad-asses like Putin or Trump (or Hitler or Mussolini or Franco).

Trump is not an intellectual giant. Trump is an instinct.

Trump is an real estate entrepreneur turned political entrepreneur who perfectly understood the desperate mood among European-Americans. You only have to study the posts here over the last few years to get an impression of that mood, which had only superficially to do with partial fata morgana’s like “peak-oil”, “climate change” or “global warming”, not yet acute phenomena. Within the developed world European-American’s are the only ones whose life span and health is deteriorating. And the real reason for that is psychological, a sense that there is no future, that their old society is going down the drain.

Wanna see the real “deplorables”, the ones who surprisingly won the election? The ordinary European-Americans who in the video say what they are all thinking but didn’t dare saying until Trump signaled during the campaign that political correctness (the result of decades of media induced kosher sharia) no longer applied:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBOTk00eMT4
[3:45-12:40]

That was 2013. This kind of thinking has arrived in Washington now.

Now please explain to me how this will not lead to the breakup of the US.

The most likely future of European-America, the Mississippi basin:

http://tinyurl.com/ho93dbe

US (Made in China) flag burning will soon be a popular pastime in America. Augmented by the use of those ~300 million guns in the hands of the public. The burning of cities. Looting. Rape. The usual venting of hate and envy… I’m glad I don’t live there anymore.

Exactly. Makati as an early-bird US political refugee, hiding his real motives behind a political correct acceptable facade of peak-oil etc. And still loves to accuse others of “racism”, where the lack of standing up for your own (tribal) people since 1968 has precisely lead to the predicament the West is now in. America most, Europe less.

Loony us:

http://tinyurl.com/zkcbbal

Archie was right.lol

Cloggie on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 4:32 am 



Even our own Hillary Clinton has understood:

https://twitter.com/wol/status/803876417280819200

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOKJfQpbsL0

makati1 on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 4:58 am 



Clogged, I was an officer in the National Guard when the last episode of riots (60s) erupted in the U$. I know what can happen. It will be much, much worse this time as it will be the whites that riot. Notice the picture? They are the ones who have been robbed to support the lower classes and the upper classes and have no future to lose.

Yep! I moved out of the war zone. My mother didn’t raise no idiots. Remember, I lived near Philly where they average a murder per day and the number is increasing. I don’t have to be hit by a brick to get the message. 100 murders per day in the U$ and that was before the growing civil war.

Davy on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 5:47 am 



What’s this makati a picnic?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/asia/philippines-marawi-blast-duterte-team/

Davy on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 6:09 am 



I think the New Year will be a new year for the global economy and not a happy one. I feel fine though because in crisis there is change.

“China Liquidity Crisis Deepens, Spreads Across Asia”
http://tinyurl.com/j8gjgeb

Having exposed the deepening liquidity crisis in China previously, tonight’s action across AsiaPac money-markets suggests – despite US equity record highs – all is very much not well below the surface of the global financial system. Short-term China repo rates have exploded to 20-month highs, Hong Kong Dollar money-market rates have jumped to the highest since May 2009, and Yen basis swaps are showing the most extreme demand for dollars since Lehman…

“Why is all of the above relevant? Because while so far the global capital markets have been immune to the substantial tightening in financial conditions resulting from the sharp rise in the US Dollar and US interest rates, a similar tightening in China – which is now clearly taking place – will be far more difficult for global risk assets to ignore.”

“Trump Reaches Deal To Keep 1,000 Carrier Jobs In The U.S.”
http://tinyurl.com/zpp3kmm

“On its behalf, Carrier announced on Twitter shortly after the announcement that it was “pleased to have reached a deal with President-elect Trump & VP-elect Pence to keep close to 1,000 jobs in Indy.” We expect more companies to follow in these anti-offshoring footsteps.”

Cloggie on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 6:11 am 



What’s this makati a picnic?

Most likely CIA attempting to keep the Ps “in orbit”.

https://www.rt.com/news/368385-philippines-duterte-rt-exclusive/

Davy on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 6:26 am 



The global Trumpian dilemma revolves around a rising dollar, fed rate increase, and American protectionism along with Chinese devaluation and declining growth smashing the rest of the world like a hammer from hell.

“Horseman Capital Asks “Is China Running Out Of Money”
http://tinyurl.com/h9txfgh

“At the start of 2016, many financial pundits mocked Kyle Bass and a handful of other China skeptics for predicting that China’s economic difficulties, and accelerating capital outflows, would translate into a continued devaluation for the Yuan. Less than a year later, with the Yuan plunging to all time lows, just shy of USDCNH 7.00, they were right.”

“if “China is running out of money”, adding that “if Chinese foreign reserves continue to fall and the PBOC wants to maintain control of the exchange rate, they will need to face some difficult choices,” the one most difficult choice facing Beijing may be the one which assures far more weakness for the Yuan in the near future: a devaluation.”

“This leaves the PBOC with a dilemma. Raising rates will restrict growth but defend the currency, while cutting rates or reserve rates for banks will encourage more currency weakness…Given the huge increase in debt in China in recent years, such a rate increase seems very unlikely to me. Investors should be prepared for bigger falls in the Chinese Yuan.”

Cloggie on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 9:30 am 



Marion le Pen visited Moscow this month to underline that the Front Nationale is not just interested in hard-core French nationalism, but also in restoring old ties with Russia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM_hBn6g4mQ

#ParisBerlinMoscow

Who is going to be the German Trump/Putin/le Pen?

My educated guess:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEkB9szqKR8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7RHqx8LWN0

The first video shows Goetz Kubitscheck while addressing the barely legal right-wing Burschenschaft of the university of Marburg; the second video shows him in close-up during a Pegida demonstration in Dresden. Thousands join these gatherings every week for two years now and they won’t stop until the downfall of Merkel.

Quite a different picture arises from your average US university:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts6bk6J5C20

Cloggie on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 9:47 am 



Holland is ready for a Trump-like take-over as well. Here a recent speech by Geert Wilders in Dutch parliament about the danger Holland is in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlP2oBJR_K8
(English subs)

He and his PVV-party are currently clearly leading in the usually reliable polls:

https://home.noties.nl/peil/

If this remains the same until the elections in March 2017, he will be allowed to build the new Dutch coalition government.

Next in April/May 2017 we’ll have elections in France, most likely between the right-wing “Putin chum” Fillon and the even more right-wing “Putin gumade” Marine le Pen.

This Sunday we will have a second try of the Austrian presidential election after the last one was cancelled after irregularities. The lefty van der Bellen won, but now it is predicted he will be defeated by the right-wing candidate Hofer.

The US vassal der Spiegel is clearly becoming nervous and gives an overview of right-wing power all over Europe:

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/neue-rechte-in-europa-globalisierungsangst-macht-populisten-stark-a-1123655.html

But the real big bang will be in Germany: the national elections of October 2017. Merkel is expected to have to endure heavy losses. Maybe her CDU party won’t let her come that far. Today a minister from the CDU Ursula von der Leyen remarked that German politics shouldn’t be so “political correct”. Perhaps she will try to topple Merkel before the elections and stave off electoral disaster for the CDU.

Cloggie on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 10:09 am 



And for those who still think that China can be integrated in a single world empire, should read this:

http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/other-peoples-nationalism-china/

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 10:21 am 



old dutch, so you’re saying Holland is ready to be handed over to a group of scum fuck corporatists, christian fundamentalists and neocons? That’s what trump is doing. Go ahead mr research look up the backgrounds of his appointees. No different than the criminals under Obama except for the religion is old timey instead of secular. I already posted 2 links above breaking it down. Guess you missed those huh?

Cloggie on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 10:23 am 



I already posted 2 links above breaking it down. Guess you missed those huh?

I seldom read your mediocre posts, always whining about climate change.

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 10:25 am 



1 day away from December and wildfires are burning like it’s mid August.

Smokies Wildfire Forces Evacuation of Over 14K as Flames Threaten Tourist Towns

“We urge the public to pray,” Miller added at a news conference Monday night. “I know that it’s hard to potentially think about losing a home or a place that you’ve worked your entire life to build, but we are dealing with a situation that is very dynamic.”

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/29/tennessee-wildfires-threaten-resort-towns-of-gatlinburg-pigeon-forge.html

Pray? Why not? It’s all that’s left.

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 10:36 am 



It’s OK to burn the country down by living a unnecessary glutinous cancer lifestyle, but the flag is off limits. The forests, fields, houses, business and people are ok to burn, but don’t touch that flag.

Drought in Tennessee fuels ‘apocalyptic’ wildfire

http://mashable.com/2016/11/29/wildfire-apocalypse-gatlinburg-tennessee/#A600bfWsWqqV

The Latest: Officials say 3 dead in Tennessee wildfires

http://www.wboc.com/story/33816411/the-latest-officials-say-3-dead-in-tennessee-wildfir

Cloggie on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 10:41 am 



Back on topic “American Flag Burning” after Friday does precisely what he does best: whining about irrelevant climate change (irrelevant for the short term)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaybrpQ2vxk

#MourningInAmerica

In Europe it is different but nevertheless, on Hungarian TV, an intelligence officer is openly warning about civil war in Europe, after a French colleague did the same a few months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cju0BKP7J9A

Final collapse will induce social collapse. Forget about prematurely worrying about peak-oil, climate change and the rest of the brouha.

Cloggie on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 10:42 am 



Correction: financial collapse

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 10:51 am 



Only the willfully ignorant refuse to see how these AGW jacked events are costing big time.

1 AGW jacked rain bomb for just 2 hours and an entire town is out of commission for 4 months.

4 months after flooding, Ellicott City officially reopens

“Two people died on July 30 when more than 6 inches of rain fell on Ellicott City in a 2-hour period, causing a flash flood that swept vehicles into the Patapsco River. Nearly every building along Main Street sustained some damage.”

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/4-months-after-flooding-ellicott-city-officially-reopens/

As these AGW jacked events increase in intensity and frequency (they have and will continue) it will eventually break economies and governments from the local to the state and finally federal.

Cloggie on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 11:05 am 



Floods have been with us throughout millennia.

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 11:07 am 



“(irrelevant for the short term)”

irrelevant for whom?

The dead?

Their loved ones?

The newly homeless? (uninsured or underinsured)

The newly carless?

Those who have had their businesses wiped out?

Those who have lost jobs because where they work got wiped out?

Old dutch, it’s funny how someone who is so utterly American obsessed as you can compartmentalize what you want and filter out the inconvenient.

Just this year alone the US has had 13 billion dollar plus single AGW events and it has affected millions of people. I have posted much of the consequence, but apparently you think it’s irrelevant. Of course you do you are not affected by it in the least over there in you safe ,boring, wealthy, socialist, welfare utopia. Not yet anyway.

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 11:07 am 



Retards have been with us throughout millennia.

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 11:11 am 



OMG old dutch, slow down man. You are making me and everyone else look stupid with your vast physics and earth history knowledge. Between your wikipedia links and repeating “climate always changes” you dun got me flabbergasted.

I bet you are Holland’s science debating champ but are just to humble to brag about it eh?

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 11:23 am 



With Temperatures Hitting 1.2 C Hotter than Pre-Industrial, Drought Now Spans the Globe

-The Four-Year Global Drought

“The Global Drought Monitor finds that dry conditions have been prevalent over much of the globe throughout the past four years. For some regions, like the Colorado River area, drought has already extended for more than a decade.”

-Widespread Severe Impacts

-The California drought is just an aspect of a larger drought that encompasses much of the North American West.

-Further east, drought has flickered on and off in the central and southern U.S.

more, way more

https://robertscribbler.com/2016/11/30/with-temperatures-hitting-1-2-c-hotter-than-pre-industrial-drought-now-spans-the-globe/

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 11:29 am 



Deadly torrential rains cause havoc and destruction in Northern Italy

http://www.euronews.com/2016/11/26/deadly-torrential-rains-cause-havoc-and-destruction-in-northern-italy

peakyeast on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 11:43 am 



Here is a nice “doomer” video with George Carlin…

Thanks to ape for introducing me to him..

I have a feeling this must one is idolized by our local apeman at least it reminded me of him. 😀

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GKVFGYcCy0

🙂

Cloggie on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 11:53 am 



Watched three minutes ago on the Dutch news:

http://buitenland.eenvandaag.nl/tv-items/70679/onderzoekers_slaan_alarm_noordpool_smelt_snel

Alarm about rapidly increasing temperatures at the North-pole. Dutch scientist Maarten van Loonen from the Groningen university, who for twenty years research at Spitsbergen (discovered by the Dutch in 1596 by Willem Barentsz), says that this year the north pole melting is stronger than ever.

I do not deny this.

Van Loonen nevertheless correctly says that earlier we had severe “acid rain” and “ozon layer hole” problems.

Both problems have meanwhile been completely solved btw by government measures.

Van Loonen remains optimistic that likewise we will be able to limit global temperature increase with 2 degrees Celsius max. **IF** we abide to the Paris agreement, which will be difficult enough (with all these North-Americans-with-an-attitude around.lol)

North-America has been populated by Europeans for five centuries now, of which three centuries as a European colony.

One of the best ways to protect the global environment is to recolonize North-America again by Europe and impose our standards. Believe me, you folks would be much better of.

#MakeAmericaEuropeanAgain

LOL

joe on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 12:03 pm 



The difference between Trump and European far right, is that European far right mean what they say. As Hitler illustrated. While American far right post civil rights has always been populist and superficial in the US European far right has been totally sidelined, its fair to say that we havent seen the European right this assertive probobly in at generation or more. I can imagine a future where a France or Holland led by Le Pen types proposing a creation of a state in Europe for muslims to seperate Europeans from Muslims and to take serious action to do it, that would of course mean a war.
Ive always believed that that since most of the south of France is muslim anyway and close to North Africa then that would make a good homeland for European muslims.
However I dont believe that the far rights reign of power will be very long. The liberals backlash will be strong and permanent.

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 12:14 pm 



peakyeast, my dad and his buddies used to drink beer and play Carlin records way back in the 1970’s when I was a wee laddie.

rockman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 12:43 pm 



Peaky – Skimmed fast so I may have missed it: anyone else filled with pride like the Rockman when they see the flag burned? I’ve known more then a few vets that feel the same way. Like beuty patriotism is in the eye of the beholder. Imagine what would habben to a Cuban today, even though Fidel has passed, if he burned his country’s flag in public.

Mak – Curious: how would your authorities react to a P flag being burned?

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 12:59 pm 



clogged brain, you can’t seem to make up your mind. It’s happening. It’s not happening. Humans are not responsible. Humans are partly responsible. Holy fuck talk about a flip flopper. This is a classic symptom of cognitive dissonance. Too many contradictory beliefs.

So, if, as your professor says, CC is solvable, then what are they waiting for? More death and destruction of the biosphere and infrastructure?

I have seen that Montreal Accord example brought up a hundred time as a comparable. It’s not. Not even close to the magnitude of AGW. A bunk comparison. There were only 6 big chem corporations manufacturing those CFC’s and there was a readily available replacement. IOW it was doable without giving up refrigeration and A/C. Without refrigeration and A/C the system shuts down. Without FF’s billions die and nuclear reactors and spent fuel pools will be melting down since they rely on grid electricity to operate and the backup is diesel. 450 ish reactors and god knows how many spent fuel pools with no plan B.

“So, the acid rain story is a success story, right?

Not entirely, or at least not yet.”

“That’s not to say that acid rain isn’t a problem,” he added. “The rain is still somewhat acidic, but just not as bad as it was.”

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/uk/news/articles/acid-rain-the-sort-of-environmental-success-story/44864

Not “completely solved”

And what they replaced CFC’s with HFC’s is classified as a super greenhouse gas.

Hydrofluorocarbons, or “super greenhouse gases,” are gases used for refrigeration and air conditioning, and known as super greenhouse gases because the combined effect of their soaring use and high global warming potential could undercut the benefits expected from the reduction of other greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide. Used as refrigerants, they were introduced by the chemical industry to replace ozone destroying CFCs (chlorofluorocarbons) which have (almost) been phased out by the Montreal Protocol. HFCs are 3,830 times more potent than CO2 with a lifetime of 14 years.

https://www.thinkglobalgreen.org/hfc.html

Try and solve or manage/reduce one problem and others pop up. This is a feature of techno industrial civilization, not a bug. There is no techno solution and it’s too late now. Anyone with an intermediate laypersons understanding of planetary physics and atmospheric chemistry knows that there is a shit load of built in inertia coming our way.

No techno fixes. Don’t listen to me. Listen to a German scientist and engineer.

Techno Fix – Why Technology Won’t Save Us Or the Environment

“You might not want to pin your hopes on nanotechnology, genetic engineering, or miracle drugs, says Michael Huesemann, author of Techno-Fix: Why Technology Won’t Save Us Or the Environment. As much as we’d like to believe that technological innovation will let us magically continue our lifestyle and prevent social, economic, and environmental collapse, Huesemann shows that most technological solutions are ineffective—and, in the presence of continued economic growth, modern technology does not promote sustainability, but hastens collapse.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MsUypIHZhc

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 1:09 pm 



The Arctic Goes Bonkers

“Today’s Arctic conditions are unprecedented. Global sea ice extent is literally falling off the edge of the cliff on a graph of Global Sea Ice Extent provided by NSDIC (National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado, Boulder, Co), which displays yearly ice extent since 1978. The 2016 graph line horrifyingly plummets straight down, steeply below all previous years. It’s hard to imagine worse news.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/30/the-arctic-goes-bonkers/

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 1:39 pm 



‘Everything is Burning Around Us’ — You Just Can’t Normalize Gatlinburg’s Freakish Fall Firestorm

“As fires raged, 14,000 people were forced to flee. Home after home was consumed. Now, at least 150 residences are thought to have been lost. Smoke and swiftly moving flames injured 14 while taking the lives of three people who were tragically unable to escape the rapid onrush. And as neighborhoods were reduced to their foundations, 2,000 residents have been left stranded in Red Cross evacuation shelters.

Rains on Tuesday and Wednesday have, blessedly, snuffed out most of the fires around Gatlinburg. But, sadly, the full extent of the tragic damage and loss has not yet been realized.”

https://robertscribbler.com/2016/11/30/everything-is-burning-around-us-you-just-cant-normalize-gatlinburgs-fall-firestorm/

Apneaman on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 2:59 pm 



Another Fossil Fuel & BAU taxpayer subsidy.

The Areas America Could Abandon First

“So far this year, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has spent $1.1 billion on what are called Individual Assistance payments, which help households recover from natural disasters. There are no limits on the number of times a household can apply, so the program isn’t just a safety net; for some people, it’s effectively a subsidy to live in areas that are especially vulnerable to hurricanes, floods and storm surges.”

“The agency gave me a list of 1,930 counties where at least one address had requested such aid more than once since 1998 — 1.3 million households in total.”

“At the easternmost edge of the Texas coast, Jefferson County has almost 57,000 addresses with multiple requests for FEMA aid since 1998 — about one address for every five of the county’s 250,000 residents. Households around Port Arthur are the most likely to make repeated requests for assistance”

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-29/the-areas-america-could-abandon-first

Cloggie on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 5:59 pm 



Joe says: However I dont believe that the far rights reign of power will be very long. The liberals backlash will be strong and permanent.

On the contrary… the more the demographic balance shifts, the more mobilized people become. It will end with a clash and than segregation, like everywhere else in the world.

Liberalism is on the way out. It was the ideology of the 20th century, of the American era. Both are over, for good. The 21st century will be the century of Samuel Huntington, of the multi-polar world order, an order where “birds of a feather flock together”, the century of the Clash of Civilizations. Interracial or interfaith harmony doesn’t really exist. It is always a question of who dominates who.

makati1 on Wed, 30th Nov 2016 6:11 pm 



Ap, I would suggest the deniers watch this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wamCRj6VG0

“Human Extinction By 2030 -Arctic Death Spiral and the Methane Time Bomb!” (2013)

1:11:11 of your time. Maybe those who cannot read the articles you ref can still listen and watch? Nah! They’re too stupid!