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A soft landing for America 40 years from now? Don’t bet on it. The demise of the United States as the global superpower could come far more quickly than anyone imagines. If Washington is dreaming of 2040 or 2050 as the end of the American Century, a more realistic assessment of domestic and global trends suggests that in 2025, just 15 years from now, it could all be over except for the shouting.
Despite the aura of omnipotence most empires project, a look at their history should remind us that they are fragile organisms. So delicate is their ecology of power that, when things start to go truly bad, empires regularly unravel with unholy speed: just a year for Portugal, two years for the Soviet Union, eight years for France, 11 years for the Ottomans, 17 years for Great Britain, and, in all likelihood, 22 years for the United States, counting from the crucial year 2003.
Future historians are likely to identify the Bush administration’s rash invasion of Iraq in that year as the start of America’s downfall. However, instead of the bloodshed that marked the end of so many past empires, with cities burning and civilians slaughtered, this twenty-first century imperial collapse could come relatively quietly through the invisible tendrils of economic collapse or cyberwarfare.
But have no doubt: when Washington’s global dominion finally ends, there will be painful daily reminders of what such a loss of power means for Americans in every walk of life. As a half-dozen European nations have discovered, imperial decline tends to have a remarkably demoralizing impact on a society, regularly bringing at least a generation of economic privation. As the economy cools, political temperatures rise, often sparking serious domestic unrest.
Available economic, educational, and military data indicate that, when it comes to U.S. global power, negative trends will aggregate rapidly by 2020 and are likely to reach a critical mass no later than 2030. The American Century, proclaimed so triumphantly at the start of World War II, will be tattered and fading by 2025, its eighth decade, and could be history by 2030.
Significantly, in 2008, the U.S. National Intelligence Council admitted for the first time that America’s global power was indeed on a declining trajectory. In one of its periodic futuristic reports, Global Trends 2025, the Council cited “the transfer of global wealth and economic power now under way, roughly from West to East” and “without precedent in modern history,” as the primary factor in the decline of the “United States’ relative strength — even in the military realm.” Like many in Washington, however, the Council’s analysts anticipated a very long, very soft landing for American global preeminence, and harbored the hope that somehow the U.S. would long “retain unique military capabilities… to project military power globally” for decades to come.
No such luck. Under current projections, the United States will find itself in second place behind China (already the world’s second largest economy) in economic output around 2026, and behind India by 2050. Similarly, Chinese innovation is on a trajectory toward world leadership in applied science and military technology sometime between 2020 and 2030, just as America’s current supply of brilliant scientists and engineers retires, without adequate replacement by an ill-educated younger generation.
By 2020, according to current plans, the Pentagon will throw a military Hail Mary pass for a dying empire. It will launch a lethal triple canopy of advanced aerospace robotics that represents Washington’s last best hope of retaining global power despite its waning economic influence. By that year, however, China’s global network of communications satellites, backed by the world’s most powerful supercomputers, will also be fully operational, providing Beijing with an independent platform for the weaponization of space and a powerful communications system for missile- or cyber-strikes into every quadrant of the globe.
Wrapped in imperial hubris, like Whitehall or Quai d’Orsay before it, the White House still seems to imagine that American decline will be gradual, gentle, and partial. In his State of the Union address last January, President Obama offered the reassurance that “I do not accept second place for the United States of America.” A few days later, Vice President Biden ridiculed the very idea that “we are destined to fulfill [historian Paul] Kennedy’s prophecy that we are going to be a great nation that has failed because we lost control of our economy and overextended.” Similarly, writing in the November issue of the establishment journal Foreign Affairs, neo-liberal foreign policy guru Joseph Nye waved away talk of China’s economic and military rise, dismissing “misleading metaphors of organic decline” and denying that any deterioration in U.S. global power was underway.
Ordinary Americans, watching their jobs head overseas, have a more realistic view than their cosseted leaders. An opinion poll in August 2010 found that 65 percent of Americans believed the country was now “in a state of decline.” Already, Australia and Turkey, traditional U.S. military allies, are using their American-manufactured weapons for joint air and naval maneuvers with China. Already, America’s closest economic partners are backing away from Washington’s opposition to China’s rigged currency rates. As the president flew back from his Asian tour last month, a gloomy New York Times headline summed the moment up this way: “Obama’s Economic View Is Rejected on World Stage, China, Britain and Germany Challenge U.S., Trade Talks With Seoul Fail, Too.”
Viewed historically, the question is not whether the United States will lose its unchallenged global power, but just how precipitous and wrenching the decline will be. In place of Washington’s wishful thinking, let’s use the National Intelligence Council’s own futuristic methodology to suggest four realistic scenarios for how, whether with a bang or a whimper, U.S. global power could reach its end in the 2020s (along with four accompanying assessments of just where we are today). The future scenarios include: economic decline, oil shock, military misadventure, and World War III. While these are hardly the only possibilities when it comes to American decline or even collapse, they offer a window into an onrushing future.
Economic Decline: Present Situation
Today, three main threats exist to America’s dominant position in the global economy: loss of economic clout thanks to a shrinking share of world trade, the decline of American technological innovation, and the end of the dollar’s privileged status as the global reserve currency.
By 2008, the United States had already fallen to number three in global merchandise exports, with just 11 percent of them compared to 12 percent for China and 16 percent for the European Union. There is no reason to believe that this trend will reverse itself.
Similarly, American leadership in technological innovation is on the wane. In 2008, the U.S. was still number two behind Japan in worldwide patent applications with 232,000, but China was closing fast at 195,000, thanks to a blistering 400 percent increase since 2000. A harbinger of further decline: in 2009 the U.S. hit rock bottom in ranking among the 40 nations surveyed by the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation when it came to “change” in “global innovation-based competitiveness” during the previous decade. Adding substance to these statistics, in October China’s Defense Ministry unveiled the world’s fastest supercomputer, the Tianhe-1A, so powerful, said one U.S. expert, that it “blows away the existing No. 1 machine” in America.
Add to this clear evidence that the U.S. education system, that source of future scientists and innovators, has been falling behind its competitors. After leading the world for decades in 25- to 34-year-olds with university degrees, the country sank to 12th place in 2010. The World Economic Forum ranked the United States at a mediocre 52nd among 139 nations in the quality of its university math and science instruction in 2010. Nearly half of all graduate students in the sciences in the U.S. are now foreigners, most of whom will be heading home, not staying here as once would have happened. By 2025, in other words, the United States is likely to face a critical shortage of talented scientists.
Such negative trends are encouraging increasingly sharp criticism of the dollar’s role as the world’s reserve currency. “Other countries are no longer willing to buy into the idea that the U.S. knows best on economic policy,” observed Kenneth S. Rogoff, a former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund. In mid-2009, with the world’s central banks holding an astronomical $4 trillion in U.S. Treasury notes, Russian president Dimitri Medvedev insisted that it was time to end “the artificially maintained unipolar system” based on “one formerly strong reserve currency.”
Simultaneously, China’s central bank governor suggested that the future might lie with a global reserve currency “disconnected from individual nations” (that is, the U.S. dollar). Take these as signposts of a world to come, and of a possible attempt, as economist Michael Hudson has argued, “to hasten the bankruptcy of the U.S. financial-military world order.”
Economic Decline: Scenario 2020
After years of swelling deficits fed by incessant warfare in distant lands, in 2020, as long expected, the U.S. dollar finally loses its special status as the world’s reserve currency. Suddenly, the cost of imports soars. Unable to pay for swelling deficits by selling now-devalued Treasury notes abroad, Washington is finally forced to slash its bloated military budget. Under pressure at home and abroad, Washington slowly pulls U.S. forces back from hundreds of overseas bases to a continental perimeter. By now, however, it is far too late.
Faced with a fading superpower incapable of paying the bills, China, India, Iran, Russia, and other powers, great and regional, provocatively challenge U.S. dominion over the oceans, space, and cyberspace. Meanwhile, amid soaring prices, ever-rising unemployment, and a continuing decline in real wages, domestic divisions widen into violent clashes and divisive debates, often over remarkably irrelevant issues. Riding a political tide of disillusionment and despair, a far-right patriot captures the presidency with thundering rhetoric, demanding respect for American authority and threatening military retaliation or economic reprisal. The world pays next to no attention as the American Century ends in silence.
Oil Shock: Present Situation
One casualty of America’s waning economic power has been its lock on global oil supplies. Speeding by America’s gas-guzzling economy in the passing lane, China became the world’s number one energy consumer this summer, a position the U.S. had held for over a century. Energy specialist Michael Klare has argued that this change means China will “set the pace in shaping our global future.”
By 2025, Iran and Russia will control almost half of the world’s natural gas supply, which will potentially give them enormous leverage over energy-starved Europe. Add petroleum reserves to the mix and, as the National Intelligence Council has warned, in just 15 years two countries, Russia and Iran, could “emerge as energy kingpins.”
Despite remarkable ingenuity, the major oil powers are now draining the big basins of petroleum reserves that are amenable to easy, cheap extraction. The real lesson of the Deepwater Horizon oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico was not BP’s sloppy safety standards, but the simple fact everyone saw on “spillcam”: one of the corporate energy giants had little choice but to search for what Klare calls “tough oil” miles beneath the surface of the ocean to keep its profits up.
Compounding the problem, the Chinese and Indians have suddenly become far heavier energy consumers. Even if fossil fuel supplies were to remain constant (which they won’t), demand, and so costs, are almost certain to rise — and sharply at that. Other developed nations are meeting this threat aggressively by plunging into experimental programs to develop alternative energy sources. The United States has taken a different path, doing far too little to develop alternative sources while, in the last three decades, doubling its dependence on foreign oil imports. Between 1973 and 2007, oil imports have risen from 36 percent of energy consumed in the U.S. to 66 percent.
Oil Shock: Scenario 2025
The United States remains so dependent upon foreign oil that a few adverse developments in the global energy market in 2025 spark an oil shock. By comparison, it makes the 1973 oil shock (when prices quadrupled in just months) look like the proverbial molehill. Angered at the dollar’s plummeting value, OPEC oil ministers, meeting in Riyadh, demand future energy payments in a “basket” of Yen, Yuan, and Euros. That only hikes the cost of U.S. oil imports further. At the same moment, while signing a new series of long-term delivery contracts with China, the Saudis stabilize their own foreign exchange reserves by switching to the Yuan. Meanwhile, China pours countless billions into building a massive trans-Asia pipeline and funding Iran’s exploitation of the world largest percent natural gas field at South Pars in the Persian Gulf.
Concerned that the U.S. Navy might no longer be able to protect the oil tankers traveling from the Persian Gulf to fuel East Asia, a coalition of Tehran, Riyadh, and Abu Dhabi form an unexpected new Gulf alliance and affirm that China’s new fleet of swift aircraft carriers will henceforth patrol the Persian Gulf from a base on the Gulf of Oman. Under heavy economic pressure, London agrees to cancel the U.S. lease on its Indian Ocean island base of Diego Garcia, while Canberra, pressured by the Chinese, informs Washington that the Seventh Fleet is no longer welcome to use Fremantle as a homeport, effectively evicting the U.S. Navy from the Indian Ocean.
With just a few strokes of the pen and some terse announcements, the “Carter Doctrine,” by which U.S. military power was to eternally protect the Persian Gulf, is laid to rest in 2025. All the elements that long assured the United States limitless supplies of low-cost oil from that region — logistics, exchange rates, and naval power — evaporate. At this point, the U.S. can still cover only an insignificant 12 percent of its energy needs from its nascent alternative energy industry, and remains dependent on imported oil for half of its energy consumption.
The oil shock that follows hits the country like a hurricane, sending prices to startling heights, making travel a staggeringly expensive proposition, putting real wages (which had long been declining) into freefall, and rendering non-competitive whatever American exports remained. With thermostats dropping, gas prices climbing through the roof, and dollars flowing overseas in return for costly oil, the American economy is paralyzed. With long-fraying alliances at an end and fiscal pressures mounting, U.S. military forces finally begin a staged withdrawal from their overseas bases.
Within a few years, the U.S. is functionally bankrupt and the clock is ticking toward midnight on the American Century.
Military Misadventure: Present Situation
Counterintuitively, as their power wanes, empires often plunge into ill-advised military misadventures. This phenomenon is known among historians of empire as “micro-militarism” and seems to involve psychologically compensatory efforts to salve the sting of retreat or defeat by occupying new territories, however briefly and catastrophically. These operations, irrational even from an imperial point of view, often yield hemorrhaging expenditures or humiliating defeats that only accelerate the loss of power.
Embattled empires through the ages suffer an arrogance that drives them to plunge ever deeper into military misadventures until defeat becomes debacle. In 413 BCE, a weakened Athens sent 200 ships to be slaughtered in Sicily. In 1921, a dying imperial Spain dispatched 20,000 soldiers to be massacred by Berber guerrillas in Morocco. In 1956, a fading British Empire destroyed its prestige by attacking Suez. And in 2001 and 2003, the U.S. occupied Afghanistan and invaded Iraq. With the hubris that marks empires over the millennia, Washington has increased its troops in Afghanistan to 100,000, expanded the war into Pakistan, and extended its commitment to 2014 and beyond, courting disasters large and small in this guerilla-infested, nuclear-armed graveyard of empires.
Military Misadventure: Scenario 2014
So irrational, so unpredictable is “micro-militarism” that seemingly fanciful scenarios are soon outdone by actual events. With the U.S. military stretched thin from Somalia to the Philippines and tensions rising in Israel, Iran, and Korea, possible combinations for a disastrous military crisis abroad are multifold.
It’s mid-summer 2014 and a drawn-down U.S. garrison in embattled Kandahar in southern Afghanistan is suddenly, unexpectedly overrun by Taliban guerrillas, while U.S. aircraft are grounded by a blinding sandstorm. Heavy loses are taken and in retaliation, an embarrassed American war commander looses B-1 bombers and F-16 fighters to demolish whole neighborhoods of the city that are believed to be under Taliban control, while AC-130U “Spooky” gunships rake the rubble with devastating cannon fire.
Soon, mullahs are preaching jihad from mosques throughout the region, and Afghan Army units, long trained by American forces to turn the tide of the war, begin to desert en masse. Taliban fighters then launch a series of remarkably sophisticated strikes aimed at U.S. garrisons across the country, sending American casualties soaring. In scenes reminiscent of Saigon in 1975, U.S. helicopters rescue American soldiers and civilians from rooftops in Kabul and Kandahar.
Meanwhile, angry at the endless, decades-long stalemate over Palestine, OPEC’s leaders impose a new oil embargo on the U.S. to protest its backing of Israel as well as the killing of untold numbers of Muslim civilians in its ongoing wars across the Greater Middle East. With gas prices soaring and refineries running dry, Washington makes its move, sending in Special Operations forces to seize oil ports in the Persian Gulf. This, in turn, sparks a rash of suicide attacks and the sabotage of pipelines and oil wells. As black clouds billow skyward and diplomats rise at the U.N. to bitterly denounce American actions, commentators worldwide reach back into history to brand this “America’s Suez,” a telling reference to the 1956 debacle that marked the end of the British Empire.
World War III: Present Situation
In the summer of 2010, military tensions between the U.S. and China began to rise in the western Pacific, once considered an American “lake.” Even a year earlier no one would have predicted such a development. As Washington played upon its alliance with London to appropriate much of Britain’s global power after World War II, so China is now using the profits from its export trade with the U.S. to fund what is likely to become a military challenge to American dominion over the waterways of Asia and the Pacific.
With its growing resources, Beijing is claiming a vast maritime arc from Korea to Indonesia long dominated by the U.S. Navy. In August, after Washington expressed a “national interest” in the South China Sea and conducted naval exercises there to reinforce that claim, Beijing’s official Global Times responded angrily, saying, “The U.S.-China wrestling match over the South China Sea issue has raised the stakes in deciding who the real future ruler of the planet will be.”
Amid growing tensions, the Pentagon reported that Beijing now holds “the capability to attack… [U.S.] aircraft carriers in the western Pacific Ocean” and target “nuclear forces throughout… the continental United States.” By developing “offensive nuclear, space, and cyber warfare capabilities,” China seems determined to vie for dominance of what the Pentagon calls “the information spectrum in all dimensions of the modern battlespace.” With ongoing development of the powerful Long March V booster rocket, as well as the launch of two satellites in January 2010 and another in July, for a total of five, Beijing signaled that the country was making rapid strides toward an “independent” network of 35 satellites for global positioning, communications, and reconnaissance capabilities by 2020.
To check China and extend its military position globally, Washington is intent on building a new digital network of air and space robotics, advanced cyberwarfare capabilities, and electronic surveillance. Military planners expect this integrated system to envelop the Earth in a cyber-grid capable of blinding entire armies on the battlefield or taking out a single terrorist in field or favela. By 2020, if all goes according to plan, the Pentagon will launch a three-tiered shield of space drones — reaching from stratosphere to exosphere, armed with agile missiles, linked by a resilient modular satellite system, and operated through total telescopic surveillance.
Last April, the Pentagon made history. It extended drone operations into the exosphere by quietly launching the X-37B unmanned space shuttle into a low orbit 255 miles above the planet. The X-37B is the first in a new generation of unmanned vehicles that will mark the full weaponization of space, creating an arena for future warfare unlike anything that has gone before.
World War III: Scenario 2025
The technology of space and cyberwarfare is so new and untested that even the most outlandish scenarios may soon be superseded by a reality still hard to conceive. If we simply employ the sort of scenarios that the Air Force itself used in its 2009 Future Capabilities Game, however, we can gain “a better understanding of how air, space and cyberspace overlap in warfare,” and so begin to imagine how the next world war might actually be fought.
It’s 11:59 p.m. on Thanksgiving Thursday in 2025. While cyber-shoppers pound the portals of Best Buy for deep discounts on the latest home electronics from China, U.S. Air Force technicians at the Space Surveillance Telescope (SST) on Maui choke on their coffee as their panoramic screens suddenly blip to black. Thousands of miles away at the U.S. CyberCommand’s operations center in Texas, cyberwarriors soon detect malicious binaries that, though fired anonymously, show the distinctive digital fingerprints of China’s People’s Liberation Army.
The first overt strike is one nobody predicted. Chinese “malware” seizes control of the robotics aboard an unmanned solar-powered U.S. “Vulture” drone as it flies at 70,000 feet over the Tsushima Strait between Korea and Japan. It suddenly fires all the rocket pods beneath its enormous 400-foot wingspan, sending dozens of lethal missiles plunging harmlessly into the Yellow Sea, effectively disarming this formidable weapon.
Determined to fight fire with fire, the White House authorizes a retaliatory strike. Confident that its F-6 “Fractionated, Free-Flying” satellite system is impenetrable, Air Force commanders in California transmit robotic codes to the flotilla of X-37B space drones orbiting 250 miles above the Earth, ordering them to launch their “Triple Terminator” missiles at China’s 35 satellites. Zero response. In near panic, the Air Force launches its Falcon Hypersonic Cruise Vehicle into an arc 100 miles above the Pacific Ocean and then, just 20 minutes later, sends the computer codes to fire missiles at seven Chinese satellites in nearby orbits. The launch codes are suddenly inoperative.
As the Chinese virus spreads uncontrollably through the F-6 satellite architecture, while those second-rate U.S. supercomputers fail to crack the malware’s devilishly complex code, GPS signals crucial to the navigation of U.S. ships and aircraft worldwide are compromised. Carrier fleets begin steaming in circles in the mid-Pacific. Fighter squadrons are grounded. Reaper drones fly aimlessly toward the horizon, crashing when their fuel is exhausted. Suddenly, the United States loses what the U.S. Air Force has long called “the ultimate high ground”: space. Within hours, the military power that had dominated the globe for nearly a century has been defeated in World War III without a single human casualty.
A New World Order?
Even if future events prove duller than these four scenarios suggest, every significant trend points toward a far more striking decline in American global power by 2025 than anything Washington now seems to be envisioning.
As allies worldwide begin to realign their policies to take cognizance of rising Asian powers, the cost of maintaining 800 or more overseas military bases will simply become unsustainable, finally forcing a staged withdrawal on a still-unwilling Washington. With both the U.S. and China in a race to weaponize space and cyberspace, tensions between the two powers are bound to rise, making military conflict by 2025 at least feasible, if hardly guaranteed.
Complicating matters even more, the economic, military, and technological trends outlined above will not operate in tidy isolation. As happened to European empires after World War II, such negative forces will undoubtedly prove synergistic. They will combine in thoroughly unexpected ways, create crises for which Americans are remarkably unprepared, and threaten to spin the economy into a sudden downward spiral, consigning this country to a generation or more of economic misery.
As U.S. power recedes, the past offers a spectrum of possibilities for a future world order. At one end of this spectrum, the rise of a new global superpower, however unlikely, cannot be ruled out. Yet both China and Russia evince self-referential cultures, recondite non-roman scripts, regional defense strategies, and underdeveloped legal systems, denying them key instruments for global dominion. At the moment then, no single superpower seems to be on the horizon likely to succeed the U.S.
In a dark, dystopian version of our global future, a coalition of transnational corporations, multilateral forces like NATO, and an international financial elite could conceivably forge a single, possibly unstable, supra-national nexus that would make it no longer meaningful to speak of national empires at all. While denationalized corporations and multinational elites would assumedly rule such a world from secure urban enclaves, the multitudes would be relegated to urban and rural wastelands.
In “Planet of Slums,” Mike Davis offers at least a partial vision of such a world from the bottom up. He argues that the billion people already packed into fetid favela-style slums worldwide (rising to two billion by 2030) will make “the ‘feral, failed cities’ of the Third World… the distinctive battlespace of the twenty-first century.” As darkness settles over some future super-favela, “the empire can deploy Orwellian technologies of repression” as “hornet-like helicopter gun-ships stalk enigmatic enemies in the narrow streets of the slum districts… Every morning the slums reply with suicide bombers and eloquent explosions.”
At a midpoint on the spectrum of possible futures, a new global oligopoly might emerge between 2020 and 2040, with rising powers China, Russia, India, and Brazil collaborating with receding powers like Britain, Germany, Japan, and the United States to enforce an ad hoc global dominion, akin to the loose alliance of European empires that ruled half of humanity circa 1900.
Another possibility: the rise of regional hegemons in a return to something reminiscent of the international system that operated before modern empires took shape. In this neo-Westphalian world order, with its endless vistas of micro-violence and unchecked exploitation, each hegemon would dominate its immediate region — Brasilia in South America, Washington in North America, Pretoria in southern Africa, and so on. Space, cyberspace, and the maritime deeps, removed from the control of the former planetary “policeman,” the United States, might even become a new global commons, controlled through an expanded U.N. Security Council or some ad hoc body.
All of these scenarios extrapolate existing trends into the future on the assumption that Americans, blinded by the arrogance of decades of historically unparalleled power, cannot or will not take steps to manage the unchecked erosion of their global position.
If America’s decline is in fact on a 22-year trajectory from 2003 to 2025, then we have already frittered away most of the first decade of that decline with wars that distracted us from long-term problems and, like water tossed onto desert sands, wasted trillions of desperately needed dollars.
If only 15 years remain, the odds of frittering them all away still remain high. Congress and the president are now in gridlock; the American system is flooded with corporate money meant to jam up the works; and there is little suggestion that any issues of significance, including our wars, our bloated national security state, our starved education system, and our antiquated energy supplies, will be addressed with sufficient seriousness to assure the sort of soft landing that might maximize our country’s role and prosperity in a changing world.
Europe’s empires are gone and America’s imperium is going. It seems increasingly doubtful that the United States will have anything like Britain’s success in shaping a succeeding world order that protects its interests, preserves its prosperity, and bears the imprint of its best values.
Alfred W. McCoy is the J.R.W. Smail Professor of History at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He is the author of A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, “From the Cold War to the War on Terror.” Later this year, “Policing America’s Empire: The United States, the Philippines, and the Rise of the Surveillance State,” a forthcoming book of his, will explore the influence of overseas counterinsurgency operations on the spread of internal security measures here at home.
21 Comments on "How America Will Collapse By 2025"
LT on Sat, 17th Aug 2013 5:35 pm
No. Not in 2025. Maybe in 2500, maybe.
From now till 2025, the dollar could collapse. World war 3 could happen. Sea level could rise. Yet, America will surely remain standing.
There was a time America could collapse, and that was the time during the civil war. But she didn’t collapse. She has grown out of it and prospered.
DC on Sat, 17th Aug 2013 6:45 pm
However it happens, it cant happen soon, enough or fast enough. The world cant take much more of that rogue, terrorist state. Salon didn’t mention one scenario, the world unites to liberate the world from amerikas tyranny, exactly the same way the world united to defeat Germany and Japan in WW2. After amerika collapses, lets hope the world finances the construction of a gigantic wall to keep amerikans confined and only living off there own resources. With not amerikan allowed to leave-ever. Once all their illegal WoMD are confiscated and destroyed of course.
THATs a scenario, I could get behind.
actioncjackson on Sat, 17th Aug 2013 7:31 pm
And let’s not forget about all those nukes laying around waiting for just the right psycho, begging to be used. Can’t forget those.
GregT on Sat, 17th Aug 2013 8:46 pm
And the estimated 300 million civilian owned guns, on top of all the military hardware. The USoA collapse, will make the USSR collapse, look like a stroll in the park.
Arthur on Sat, 17th Aug 2013 8:47 pm
Ah Salon, I used to be subscribed to that online magazine for a couple of years during the early years of the internet, when I was still a liberal yuppie-lefty and America admirer, until 9/11, when I started to grasp the extent of the immigration desaster and made a sharp political turn towards the (identitarian) right (at the the time I still believed the official “18 Arabs with boxcutter” tale).
So, now a prominent voice of the left is chiming in with the likes of Buchanan and others on the libertarian or conservative right, as well as professional ‘collapse doomers’ like Dmitri Orlov and Michael Ruppert.
So why would the US collapse according to Salon? “Economic collapse or cyberwarfare.” Hmmm. The real reason why the US will collapse is because it has set itself impossible goals under the fatal influence of the zionist lobby, that dominates/rules the country for about a century now and that goal was the formation of a Worldstate. But 180 million aging Euro-Americans plus 130 million or so ‘invaders’, that to a large extent act as a dead weight in society, are not going to bring what the elite wants.
” As the economy cools, political temperatures rise, often sparking serious domestic unrest.”
Don’t expect a left magazine like Salon to become too explicit about the true nature of the ‘domestic unrest’.
“Under current projections, the United States will find itself in second place behind China (already the world’s second largest economy) in economic output around 2026, and behind India by 2050.”
Fascinating. Just like RussiaToday, for some reason, Americans always overlook the largest economy on the planet: the EU (2.5 times the size of China), with a single common market, open borders, one currency, a central bank, a parlament and a president. But I guess Europeans have to live with that.lol
“Similarly, Chinese innovation is on a trajectory toward world leadership in applied science and military technology sometime between 2020 and 2030”
No, it is not. China can hardly produce a plane or even a car, just DC’s ‘salad shooters’. Don’t make me laugh, another ‘Fifth Generation Computer’ story brewing.
The real reason why the US brings itself into trouble is imperial overstretch. The US could have remained a large power, if not the dominant power if it had kept it’s borders closed and would have been content with being part of a western alliance, without trying to subjugate the rest of the world. It should have kept severe restrictions on finance and it should kicked AIPAC out. America was designed by the Lobby to be a blueprint of the NWO, a world without borders and all races, ethnicities and religions mixed. That’s not going to happen and from the moment on that large part of the US population starts to see that the US will fail to achieve it’s self-imposed mission, tribal motives will take over and the US will fall apart for exactly the same reason why the USSR fell apart: global unification mission NOT accomplished.
Beery on Sun, 18th Aug 2013 1:22 am
How does a 3 year-old article count as ‘news’?
Wheeldog on Sun, 18th Aug 2013 1:26 am
I see no reason to believe that the U.S. will miraculously come to its senses and take effective actions to halt what is obviously a quickening descent into national disintegration. We have been living beyond our means for the better part of a generation squandering precious time and resources trying to convince ourselves that we are immune from the laws of nature and economics. With few exceptions the rest of the world will not morn our passing or voluntarily throw us life preservers to keep us afloat. Indeed, we will be extraordinarily lucky if the predicted decline does not happen much sooner than the writer predicts.
Beery on Sun, 18th Aug 2013 1:28 am
“until 9/11, when I started to grasp the extent of the immigration desaster and made a sharp political turn towards the (identitarian) right (at the the time I still believed the official “18 Arabs with boxcutter” tale).”
Must this website be home to the psychotic ravings of racists and neo-nazis? Can we at least teach these fricken dumbasses how to spell?
rollin on Sun, 18th Aug 2013 2:13 am
With the world into a permanent energy crises, how is all this global shenanigans going to occur? With global trade falling off, industrial countries will be too busy adapting to the new situation to play cops and robbers around the globe. Play time is coming to an end soon and those who don’t get down to the business of adapting and surviving will be cutting off the limb behind themselves.
2025 will not be the end of the US, but 2025 to 2040 will really test people, regions and nations to see if being smarter than yeast is a positive survival characteristic.
BillT on Sun, 18th Aug 2013 3:21 am
Actually, I think it will happen sooner. And it will be a combination of internal strife, economic collapse, and a nuclear exchange with a number of other countries, not necessarily in that order. The Constitutional United States of America has not existed, except in name,for decades.
Stephen on Sun, 18th Aug 2013 8:11 am
I think it likely will go down with a very different scenario. Personally I think it is going to be a failure of corporate America, mass scale marketing, and the capitalism / corporatism based economic system.
This will leave people struggling to survive. For one, people are going to have to grow their own food. Farms are going to have be relocated close to the cities, and people are going to have to work the fields to make dinner.
If oil depletion happens, a war could break out but the extent of that war will be limited to who has the most remaining fuel available to them (and of course think that is a good use of the fuel). First imagine a day where there is no fuel left to fill the tanks of the warships and bomber airplanes! Next, Imagine if the supply of energy and materials to make bombs and gunpowder weapons becomes very scarce. Perhaps from this point, the war will be fought with swords, horses, and spears? Maybe, but this will require much different training than most armies have today. So I think the global warfare outcome will be unlikely long term.
What I see is a more likely possibility is that we will go through a long period of famine, unemployment, towns with empty stores, mass numbers of businesses closing, anarchy, protests, debts going unpaid, etc.
The number of humans that survive I predict will vary depending on the area they live in, their willingness to adapt the landscape in a timely manner, and ultimately if they choose cooperation vs competitiveness as their means of survival and adaptation.
The sooner a community chooses relocalization, and puts survival, sustainability, etc into their city design, laws, policies, economic systems, etc the better the outcome will be.
Arthur on Sun, 18th Aug 2013 12:05 pm
I was afraid Beery would never bite, but that fear proves to be unfounded.
“Must this website be home to the psychotic ravings of racists and neo-nazis? Can we at least teach these fricken dumbasses how to spell?”
From this frustrated political correct twoliner, attempting to impose Oxford English standards on a Dutch national, two conclusions can be drawn:
1) Beery does not like me (for very good reasons, but that’s irrelevant since this is not a dating site)
2) Beery has no arguments.
Marxists do not need arguments, smears suffice. But no worries, I am more than happy to provide a few arguments, not exactly supporting Beery’s hope that his marxist world view has much future, now that the good ol’ marxist USSR has gone belly-up and Americans from all positions of the political spectrum are starting to announce their own immanent demise. Not entirely sure if this statement is 100% spelled correctly, but I am sure Beery gets the point anyway.
The article mentions 2025 as a date when collapse could happen. Well, here is a scenario that would ensure a collapse next week:
” psychotic ravings ”
Beery obviously refers to my 9/11 statement about “19 (not 18) Arabs with boxcutters”. For those people who are not yet convinced from the implosion of WTC7 at free fall speed, which can only be explained by explosives blowing away carrying columns at the bottom of the building, that there is something very fishy about 9/11, here is a recent three hour expose about what happened, from minute to munute, at the Pentagon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvJ8nFa5Qk
Here is a solid coherent analysis by a government insider, Barbara Honegger, who worked as a researcher at the Hoover Institution before joining the Ronald Reagan administration as a researcher and policy analyst in 1980. For anyone who followed the 9/11 story intensely as I have done, her story does not provide many new revelations. Interesting is that she is, like Edward Snowdon, an insider whistle blower. And even more important, where “Architects & Engineers for 911-truth” refuses to name names, Barbara Honegger is the first to correctly point to the real culpritts, with the PNAC zionist Dov Zakheim as the real mastermind of 9/11, not CIA asset bin Laden, who died end 2001, let alone waterboarded KSM. The only toe-curling remarks she makes is when she tries to compare the neocon culpritts beind 9/11 with nazis, where she should have compared them with bolsheviks. But within the American context that is not done, since the bolsheviks were America’s allies against the nazis and America is not yet ready for the full truth about bolshevism and WW2. But that will come with time when the means to impose a certain false interpretation of the history of the 20th century through media and Hollywood power, will evaporate, much to Beery’s displeasure, because he can no longer connect peakoil to Monty Python’s-like videos about Hitler.
Now all it takes is an Edward Snowdon lookalike FBI whistle blower, who will post one of the dozens of confiscated cam videos near the Pentagon in the early hours of 9/11. The FBI had to confiscate these videos because they would have revealed that the Pentagon facade was destroyed by an explosion from the inside and that there was no F77 crashing into the building. In fact this kind of unravelling of the US empire by a Moscow-1991 like coup with a few skirmishes in front of Capitol Hill and Ron/Rand Paul or Jesse -Conspiracy Theory- Ventura in the role of Boris Jeltsin would be much preferred over a violent dissolution in 12 years. The unmasking of the 9/11-perps would lead to a decapitation of the US powerstructure, without giving the regime any chance for a coup. In fact the strategy of Washington is to provoke race riots in order to create an excuse to impose martial law and install a dictatorship a la Yugoslavia that could hold for several decades before 9/11 truth comes out. The preferred solution must be: secession of all states, abolishment of the FED, AIPAC, MIC, NSA, CIA, nationalisation of the media, reconfederation on the basis of the Constitution and turn the US in a sort of Switserland (nice marketing formulae) with highly independent states. And just like Switserland is completely segregated between French, Germans and Italians without anybody shouting ‘racist’, not even Beery, a similar construction could be found for the new US federation, with Mexican majority states returning to Mexico to restore the pre-1848 situation, that is California, New Mexico, Arizona and West-Texas going back to Mexico, leaving the majority white northern states only having to pay for Kentucky and Alabama homelands. And maybe some territory can be found to park the Israelis, who do not want to live in a Turkish run Caliphate. New York maybe? When the US has become devoluted (could happen in two days like in Moscow 1991), security talks could begin between the US, EU and Russia about setting up a winning alliance with the implicit aim to contain (not confront) China, where a lot of the security burden will shift from the US to the EU and Russia. Next would be to organize talks with the Chinese in Kazakhstan or Mongolia to organize a NWO of a different kind, this time with respect for local identity (Beery: nazi alert.lol) and agree on a wide range of arms reduction programs, including ICBMs and navies.
” racists and neo-nazis ”
My point is that I am not to keen to see my country be overrun by a never ending stream of muslim invaders. That makes me a ‘neo-nazi’ in Beery’s book. Why not for fun google ” Britain 2011 riots” in the picture mode, to see the result (very nice on a 26 inch HP monitor) of the marxist policies of the past and no doubt supported by Beery. The resulting fascinating pictures of the ‘BlackBerry riots’ had a strong ethnic undercurrent and can be aptly described as ‘colourful’ for the fires alone and took place in many major cities in England and could only be surpressed after days (6-10 August). In my view this is clearly the result of an ‘immigration desaster’. But not so for Beery, who in other times would have been branded a national traitor and in the future probably as well. Oh well, 2011 was merely a small sign of things to come with the coming shifting demographics, that is the potential of the ‘rivers of blood’ as predicted by Enoch Powell becoming reality. But most overfed westerners like Beery think that these kind of attrocities only happen in ‘monkey countries’ like Syria, Yugoslavia and Ruanda. And if they do happen in western lands, well, you see, they must be the result of ‘white privilege’. You can’t beat a marxist, islamic or christian fundamentalist True Believer in a debate.
Arthur on Sun, 18th Aug 2013 12:17 pm
Here the Pentagon explosion without a plane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5SeMtoUsXY
The panic behavior by the FBI in confiscating the videos from the other side of the Pentagon should lead us to conclude that something went wrong with the remote control of F77. And since a plane cannot be shot down over land without being noticed, F77 was probably shot down over the Atlantic by fighters from Langley, just like F93 was shot down by a fighter plane. F93 was intended to hit WTC7, but that did not happen because a local commander, watching what happened in NYC on his television, ignored the standdown order from Cheney, leaving Silverstein embarrassed with his WTC7 building, stuffed with explosives, forcing him to ‘pull’ the building as the lesser dangerous option.
J-Gav on Sun, 18th Aug 2013 2:18 pm
The collapse by 2025 scenario is definitely a possibility but one of the probable main causes is left out of this article: our lack of respect for the primary economy that supports us all, i.e. Nature.
GregT on Mon, 19th Aug 2013 2:50 am
Arthur,
You’re starting to sound like one of those conspiracy theorists……
Beery on Mon, 19th Aug 2013 5:06 am
“Starting”?
Frank Kling on Mon, 19th Aug 2013 6:44 am
Any scenario that results in the collapse of industrial civilization is something I can get behind.
What nobody seems to consider is the obvious fact that we are destroying the Earth’s life support system. Colony Collapse Disorder, Chytrid, and White Nose Syndrome are just three frightening examples of how the world ecosystem is unraveling. Perhaps tomorrow or next year but certainly in the near future we will hit a tipping point whereby we have broken so many vital links in the chain of life that the environment simply collapses.
‘Beware the beast Man, for he cometh from hell as Lucifer’s spawn. Alone among God’s primates, he kills for sport, and lust, and greed. He will murder his brother to possess his brother’s land. Without conscience, he wrecks devastation upon the good and bountiful Mother Earth. Shun him: If he is permitted to breed in great numbers, he will make a desert of his home and yours. For he is, The Great Destroyer, The Angel of the Abyss.’~~1968 Planet of the Apes
Arthur on Mon, 19th Aug 2013 11:32 am
“You’re starting to sound like one of those conspiracy theorists……”
And in good company of a long list of very senior people:
– Italian ex-president Cossiga (9/11= Mossad+CIA)
– UK cabinet secretary Michael Meacher
– Germany Andreas von Buelow (secretary defense Schmidt government)
– Japanese parlamentarian Fujita was allowed to address the Japanese parliament about 9/11
– US gouvernor Jesse Ventura
– Even the WSJ reported: “Mr. Ferdinando Imposimato, Honorary President of the Italian Supreme Court, has presided over terrorism cases, including the kidnapping and assassination of President Aldo Moro and the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II. He has publicly stated that 9/11 was a false-flag operation, recommending that it be tried at the International Criminal Court, which investigates criminal acts of war.”
– No criminal court case ever took place regarding 9/11. Even the chairman Hamilton of the 9/11 commission stated that the commission was set up to fail (by the zionist Zelikow who masterminded the commission).
Nobody denies the reality Operation Northwoods:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Th entire US military top brass was ready to carry out an operation exactly like 9/11. In the end it was JFK who prevented it, a year before he was murdered.
– There are nearly 2000 professional architects who committed themselves to the message.
– In US opinion polls a majority does not buy the official story hook, line and sinker.
– Standard reaction on US centric internet forums: **deafening silence**, which is perfectly understandable, because 9/11 truth coming out means that US society will be turned upside down.
In other words:
9/11 is a ticking timb bomb, waiting to go off.
GregT on Mon, 19th Aug 2013 2:14 pm
I never said I didn’t agree with you. 🙂
GregT on Mon, 19th Aug 2013 2:25 pm
” Perhaps tomorrow or next year but certainly in the near future we will hit a tipping point whereby we have broken so many vital links in the chain of life that the environment simply collapses.”
Or a multitude of tipping points…………..
Yet we continue to pursue the very things that are leading to our own extinction. Unfortunately Frank, there are far too few of us that have taken the time to pay any attention. It doesn’t look very promising for our future.
Arthur on Mon, 19th Aug 2013 2:29 pm
I am not really surprised Greg. 😉