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“Everybody Would Die” if World War 3 Broke Out
A top nuclear expert has warned that virtually everybody in the world would die if World War 3 broke out as a result of a confrontation between the United States and Russia.
Greg Mello, secretary and executive director of the Los Alamos Study Group, was asked how many people would die on the first day of a nuclear war.
“Everybody in the world would die. Some people in the southern hemisphere might survive, but probably not even them, he responded.
Noting that the whole system was “very fragile,” Mello said that, “Even a couple of nuclear weapons could end the United States as a government and an economy,” destroying the financial markets and the Internet.
Even if nuclear exchanges were limited, with just ICBM silos and airfields being targeted, the fallout would wipe out the entire U.S. Midwest, including big cities like Chicago, according to Mello.
Nuclear power plants would also meltdown, unleashing a wave of Fukushima-style disasters across the country, he added.
“Nuclear war means nuclear winter. It means the collapse of very fragile electronic, financial, governmental, administrative systems that keep everyone alive. We’d be lucky to reboot in the early 19th century. And if enough weapons are detonated, the collapse of the Earth’s ozone layer would mean that every form of life that has eyes could be blinded. The combined effects of a US-Russian nuclear war would mean that pretty much every terrestrial mammal, and many plants, would become extinct. There would be a dramatic biological thinning,” said Mello.
Mello blamed Democrats for engaging in “Russia-baiting and “neo-McCarthyite hyperbole,” adding that U.S. weapons manufacturers stand to make trillions as a result of tensions between Washington and Moscow.
Noting that Vladimir Putin may retaliate against another U.S. attack on Syria if Russian troops are killed, Mello warned that could result in U.S. aircraft being shot down.
“Geopolitically, the situation in Syria has gone so far towards Assad remaining in power and the terrorists being pushed out that a serious US attack on Syria would either fail, or else it would really damage Russian interests, humiliate Russia and kill her soldiers along with Assad’s, and therefore tilt the balance toward WWIII,” said Mello.
The expert doubted the official narrative that Bashar al-Assad was responsible for the chemical weapons attack, pointing out that Assad is “winning militarily and politically”.
Mello said he has talked to people on the National Security Council who mistakenly think that Russia will just back down. He wants “Cold War era veteran diplomats from the realist school” to be brought back to deal with the issue.
28 Comments on "“Everybody Would Die” if World War 3 Broke Out"
onlooker on Sun, 23rd Apr 2017 7:37 pm
No doubt we are talking about “Hell on Earth”
http://www.nucleardarkness.org/warconsequences/hundredfiftytonessmoke/
What life does including us are to be pitied
sidzepp on Sun, 23rd Apr 2017 7:48 pm
The Trump administrations seems to pushing the limits in both Syria and Korea and I imagine that Iran will be the next area. The more arenas that we opt to confrontational in the more likely that serious consequences will develop.
Boat on Sun, 23rd Apr 2017 8:29 pm
N Korea, Iran, Syria, would all be speaking Geram if it were not for the US saving the world’s collective ass. When the Alfa dog barks it would be wise back down if the world wants to survive. When pesky little countries try to fight above their weight class don’t be surprised if the US accepts the fight. This is the law of the jungle.
Sissyfuss on Sun, 23rd Apr 2017 9:12 pm
I think boat is always talking Geram to us which explains a lot.
Sissyfuss on Sun, 23rd Apr 2017 9:14 pm
Cheney probably thinks Haliburton can make a fortune from a nuclear winter.
sidzepp on Sun, 23rd Apr 2017 9:19 pm
Boat, it wasn’t just the US that stopped Germany, but a collective effort from many nations, among them the Soviets.
With children in the military my hope is that the powers that be in D.C. pursue a sane and rational course of action. If war were to break out in the Korean peninsula it will not be a pretty picture and then where it might be true that the North is a puny little country and could be turned to sand rather quickly, they will still inflict major damage and the question will be how the rest of the world responds.
makati1 on Sun, 23rd Apr 2017 9:28 pm
Boat, The U$ did not win WW2, Russia did. The US didn’t even get into the war until Germany was weak and losing. The first part of the war, the U# was selling war materials to Germany. You have been drowning in the USMSM Koolaid commonly called propaganda. I suggest you try to learn some real history, not the fiction taught in U$ schools.
sidzepp on Sun, 23rd Apr 2017 9:36 pm
Nuclear winter will stop global warming!
Boat on Sun, 23rd Apr 2017 9:51 pm
mak,
You need to research materials and arms supplied before and after Pearl Harbor. Now how many Russians participated in fighting Japan? Which country freed all those countries and islands around the China Sea? How many Russians fought in France?
Boat on Sun, 23rd Apr 2017 11:36 pm
Sidzepp,
The problems will magnify if N Korea or Iran, has missile deliverable nukes. This is the cause for all the excitement. If they were allowed to complete these programs dozens of other countries would start building their own nukes and missiles due to the US promise of a nuclear umbrella. You can’t offer protection if you allow other countries, especially countries that threaten, to acquire them.
makati1 on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 12:06 am
Boat, Japan could not win. It had no resources to continue the war after it lost its oil supply. The two nuclear bombs dropped on Japan were to frighten the USSR, not to stop the war. The war was almost over anyway. Japan was out of oil. No oil. No war. You have far too much of the U$ propaganda in your memory, not facts.
WW2 Military deaths: WIKI
USSR: 10,000,000+
China: 3,000,000+
UK: 380,000+
France: 210,000+
US: 407,000+
Germany: 5,000,000+
Japan: 2,100,000+
The US didn’t enter the war until their sales of materials to Germany were cut off. When the Germans started sinking America ships sending supplies to the UK and the USSR, THEN the U$ declared war on Germany.
WW2 began in 1939. The U$ declared war on Germany on December 11th, 1941, the same day Germany declared war on the U$ and just shortly after, meaning the U$ was forced to take sides and lose Germany as a customer. It was another year before the U$ actually started fighting the enemy in Africa. At that point, the war was half over and the Germans were losing.
You need some real education, not propaganda. The U$ would have sat out the war, if it wasn’t forced into it. The US could not win a real war. Not in a million years.
Boat on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 1:10 am
mak,
Your only missing about 40 million deaths. Btw, the Germans allowed shipments to Europe/Russia until Japan declared war. Germany controlled the oceans for a couple years until the ramped up US military got enough planes to kill off the u-boats. That and Hitler wasted time and money on war ships like the bizmarck instead of more u-boats which were very effective.
Boat on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 1:24 am
mak,
Google land lease arrangement with the Russians. You’ll find the US and Canada along with Britain supplied massive amounts of tanks, machine guns, artilary, personal troop carriers, jeeps etc to the Russians.
makati1 on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 3:16 am
Boat, you are so wrong. But, I have given up trying to show you where your education is lacking. I did not count civilians, where, again, the USSR lost the most.
As for supplying the Russians, yep, and at a profit. The U$ is/was ALL about $$$. Fuck who gets killed to make it, just like today. The U$ motto: “Baby Killers ‘R’ U$”. Should I list the current countries where selling/using weapons to kill innocents is the main occupation of the U$? They would be a long list. How many died for that gallon of gas in your vehicle? 1? 10? 100? 1,000? More? You don’t want to think about it, but it is happening anyway. in YOUR name.
Buford Bustamonte Jackson III on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 3:23 am
The tide got turned at Stalingrad.
Cloggie on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 3:26 am
You need some real education, not propaganda. The U$ would have sat out the war, if it wasn’t forced into it.
You could not be more wrong, makati. You are yourself deluded by this “Greatest Generation” propaganda. The last thing the Roosevelt government wanted was to “sit out the war”. They wanted to be part of it to finish it and get the American Century started. They intentionally cornered the Japanese, forcing them to strike first against a country with an economy five time theirs, an act of pure desperation.
The US didn’t enter the war until their sales of materials to Germany were cut off. When the Germans started sinking America ships sending supplies to the UK and the USSR, THEN the U$ declared war on Germany.
The US effectively declared war on Germany in 1933 and did everything it could to get the war in Europe started:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_weber.html
As US Ambassador Bullitt to Paris (and real architect of WW2) put it to a Polish colleague: “If a war breaks out, we probably would not participate in it at the beginning, but we would finish it.”
He said that in January 1939, 8 months before the war started. The US was merely waiting for the proper occasion to destroy Europe, together with their Soviet palls. We Europeans should never forget that and wait for the proper occasion ourselves. And mass immigration promoters like Apneaman and Boat will hand us over the very noose their empire will come to an end with, with a big bang.
The US didn’t declare war on Germany, it was Germany that declared war on the US at the occasion of Pearl Harbor. Why? Because the Germans were fed up pretending that the US was not at war with Germany, where in reality the US had long began provoking the Germans by firing at Germans ships in the Atlantic in the hope they would strike back.
When was the last time America declared war on anybody in the first place anyway? It never does, it simply invades on some fake humanitarian pretext.
Go Speed Racer on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 3:59 am
Hmmm, everybody dead.
On the upside, the poor and the rich would finally be equal again.
Boat on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 4:01 am
Clog,
I will give you a pass on immigration because your old and can’t keep it straight. Maybe you should take notes. I have been arguing for 2 decades for no immigration for the simple reasons of population growth and sustainability. You and I even had this discussion once.
Davy on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 5:05 am
We are in the midst of a paradigm shift of destructive change. This is from overshoot and systematic forcing of human limits within a system of necessary growth. This is with the planetary ecosystem and it is within the human civilization. It is all inclusive with humans and with all species. When we put this in context of WWIII then we would see a hastening of what could otherwise be a slower gradual process of destructive change with the opportunity to mitigate and adapt to counter the worst. If we are not careful WWII might become a global ending war. It will most likely be dangerously quick and decisive.
There is really no way the US can fight China and Russia and not disrupt the globalism fatally. There are too many disruptions to the economic system for globalism to reboot to its fragile former self. I say fragile but with the understanding it is robust as-is in the status quo without conflict. It is robust but with a dangerous end point of limits of growth. What globalism can’t handle is large shocks. We can’t have oil restricted. We must be careful for pandemics. We must avoid global war. NUK war in a WWIII is really just another of these civilization killers but it may well include being a species killer.
So you see we are really living on borrowed time. We could be making an effort at hospices and lifeboats to extend our end time. We could be talking peace out of necessity for time to prepare for dangerous change just ahead. We likely will not on any of these accounts as a global people. We are just unable to adapt at that level. The human ecosystem is a climax system with all niches filled. Our social narrative is not adaptable because there are no alternative plan B’s. We have no choice but to follow this fate. This fate is overshoot of a proper carrying capacity. We have destroyed our underlying planetary ecosystem. We still deceptively have a habitable planet but we have set in motion feedbacks that eventually may make it uninhabitable.
The only place for a refugee from this existential terminus is at the individual and local level. It is within these small bands in locations with a future that this storm can be ridden out. The storm can only be ridden out if we avoid NUK war. The storm may not be ridden out for long on any account but it is a place to realize hospices and lifeboats. Hospices and lifeboats by definition are a place to mitigate and adapt to destructive change. Death may be the result but there could also be hope of another day.
In the meantime the status quo hums away. All this is nonsense to some. Techno optimist dismiss it or have their own selfish agendas how others will die and they will prosper. I don’t know what is coming but I hear the thunder and see the dark clouds on the horizon. This can’t be good but all is not lost because in the human heart there is redemption. This redemption is of finding meaning in chaos. It is about yielding to collapse and finding meaning in it. Heroics will be more common. Heroics are selfless acts of courage and strength. Our lives may shorten but for some they may find meaning. For others this is going to be a horror of death and destruction. You still have time to prepare for this or you can just enjoy the moment if you are one of the few and the lucky that still have this luxury. Increasingly millions will be dispossessed. Famine is already increasing. Civil war and social failure are now established in regions. The timing is unknown but the direction looks increasingly probably. Science is telling us this even though it is being denied at all levels including with many techno optimistic scientist.
Theedrich on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 5:10 am
“Mello blamed Democrats for engaging in ‘Russia-baiting’ and ‘neo-McCarthyite hyperbole,’ adding that U.S. weapons manufacturers stand to make trillions as a result of tensions between Washington and Moscow.”
The U.S. merchants of death are playing with fire. The U.S. “superpower” cannot admit that its “superness” is over. We can only hope that ISIS is somehow exterminated, because they are true suicidists, just like senile geezers such as Senator McCain (R-AZ), and they are rapidly engulfing Islam. If they ever get WMDs and the wherewithall to use them, their Allah will rise up from his hell and end the planet. With nukes basically everywhere now, it is madness to talk about starting a new “war to end all wars.” That was tried once by a psychopath named Woodrow Wilson, Ph.D., who died insane.
The herd cannot understand that the earth is now facing checkmate as far as warfare is concerned. All of the religion-inspired fake indignation and sob-stories, from berzerk clowns, about big bad Assad (or Saddam Hussein, or Muammar Gaddafi, etc.) murdering defenseless innocents can only open the cauldron of universal death seething ever hotter beneath our feet.
Given the facts, the U.S. had better quickly learn to calm down, stop threatening Kim Jong-Un and learn to live with N. Korea as a nuclear power. It had also better restrain the twisted Sörös and keep him and his entourage from enraging Russia and other countries by trying to deform the globe according to his own image. Above all, it can no longer allow itself to be led by the dog-waggers of Yidland. Unbeknownst to the masses everywhere, the world is already in crisis mode and our enthroned absurdities could end billions of years of evolution at any moment.
As far as the U.S. entry into WW II is concerned, Cloggie is absolutely right. Anyone interested may discover the facts by reading (among many other excellent books) Robert Stinnett’s Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor, based, among other things, on FOIA revelations uncovered half a century after the crime by FDR.
Cloud9 on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 8:36 am
We came very close to taking it all down during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The simple fact that the key players had firsthand knowledge of war went a long way towards dialing back the push for war. Our key players today have only seen the movie. They tend to think at the end of the show the lights will come back on and they will walk out of the theater and get on with the rest of their lives. This hubris may damn us this time around.
bobinget on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 10:51 am
Would killing everyone on the planet have a detrimental effect on the US stock market?
If so, I would be against nuclear war.
After giving the subject thought, I’ve decided to reaffirm my previous statement.
bobinget on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 12:14 pm
Apparently, DJT and Rex Tillerson care little about what I think. (killing everyone, bad idea)
Let’s hope US Senate has more brains then bravado.
Trump Administration has no clue as to how to handle N. Korea. Instead, he seems to be dumping the mess on congress.
Breaking news: we still have 50 hours.
Kids; get under your desks . Make sure to cover the back of your neck with hands. Don’t get up till you hear the ‘all clear’ signal.
Entire Senate to WH on Wednesday for NK meeting.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Top Trump administration officials will hold a rare briefing on Wednesday at the White House for the entire U.S. Senate on the situation in North Korea, senior Senate aides said on Monday.
All 100 senators have been asked to the White House for the briefing by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the aides said.
While top administration officials routinely travel to Capitol Hill to address members of Congress on foreign policy and national security matters, it is unusual for the entire 100-member Senate to go to such an event at the White House, and for those four top officials to be involved.
U.S. officials have expressed mounting concern over North Korea’s nuclear and missile tests, and its threats to attack the United States and its Asian allies.
President Donald Trump criticized North Korea’s “continued belligerence” and said its actions were destabilizing during a telephone call with Chinese President Xi Jinping on Sunday, the White House said.
The briefing will take place at 3 p.m. EDT (1900 GMT).
House aides said they were working with the White House to set a similar briefing for members of the House of Representatives.
bobinget on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 12:46 pm
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-04-22/saudi-king-restores-state-employee-bonuses-as-overhaul-broadens
twocats on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 1:16 pm
just a bit sensationalist. I’m not even sure DJT knows why he launched those missiles. I imagine to look more presidential, or to play with his toys, a sort of “what does this button do” mentality. i don’t think wwiii is in the cards yet.
________________________________________ on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 5:16 pm
So no peak oil nor global worming? 🙁
Cloggie on Mon, 24th Apr 2017 5:34 pm
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39694640
“North Korea nuclear: White House calls Senate to briefing”
Souns serious.
bardel on Wed, 7th Feb 2018 6:50 am
NOT IF
world war 3 is here …