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Clinton Versus Trump: The Biggest Difference In Energy Policy
Hillary Clinton emphasizes the importance of increasing the share of renewable energy at the expense of fossil fuels and she acknowledges that climate change is a real issue; whereas, Donald Trump insists that he is “not a believer on climate change”, claiming that the extreme weather patterns that scientists attribute to man-made actions are simply “weather”. Trump also said “It’s called weather changes and you have storm and you have rain and you have beautiful days”. Tweets from Trump suggests he believes the concept of global warming is a Chinese creation designed to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.On September 3rd 2016, the United States and China announced that they had ratified the Paris climate accord. A deal which Donald Trump has vowed to cancel if he is elected U.S. president. Doing so would be difficult and certainly unprecedented. Due to the fact that Article 28 of this accord states that once the agreement enters into force, any country that has ratified will have to wait at least three years before it can formally start the process of withdrawing, which would require a further year to be effective. In practical terms, it will take a presidential term.
Hillary Clinton emphasizes the importance of enlarging the share of renewable energy, eying a target of 25 percent of the total U.S. energy mix by 2025 while proposing to cut subsidies for oil and gas producers and toughen fracking regulations. Hillary’s proposal seems to be a comprehensive and detailed extension of current Obama’s energy and climate policies. Her motto published on her website is “taking on the threat of climate change and making America the world’s clean energy superpower.” Clinton plans to do so by cutting one third of U.S. oil consumption, and installing 500 million solar panels by the end of a hypothetical eight-year presidency. Perhaps the most prominent part of Hillary’s policy is a $60 billion Clean Energy Challenge aimed at expanding the role of renewables; including transitioning communities that have relied on traditional energy production for jobs, such as coal.
On May 26th of this year, Donald Trump gave a speech at the heart of America’s oil and gas boom in North Dakota, in which he pledged to make the United States fully energy-independent by reducing U.S. dependence on foreign oil and rolling back environmental regulations, restricting oil and natural gas exploration. Trump has vowed in his campaign to save the U.S. coal industry after years of bankruptcies and worsening job prospects for coal miners. On Wednesday August 10th, Trump declared that miners have one “last shot” in this presidential election, insisting that the coal industry will be nonexistent if Hillary Clinton wins the election. The speech addressed U.S. miners who held up banners that said “Trump digs coal.” The coal market, however, is competing directly with natural gas and renewable energy sources, even as federal regulations push the U.S. away from fossil fuels. The reality is that this shift is driven by market forces, with the natural gas boom leading power companies to purchase cheaper gas rather than coal. In any case, it would appear that saving the coal industry and putting oil and gas workers back to work will be hard to achieve while natural gas continues to take market share from coal. U.S. mines for example produced around 900 million tons of coal last year, indicating a steep decline of nearly 25 percent since 2008. Coal production in the U.S. is now at its lowest level since 1986 according to data from the Energy Information Administration. Related: Oil And Gas Creditors Recover $1 Of Every $5 On Defaulted Debt
Donald Trump also promised to approve TransCanada’s Keystone XL pipeline expansion, but said he’d also ask for a “big piece of profits.” This project has divided the two political parties; Republicans who generally support it and Democrats, who typically oppose it. Despite lower oil prices, TransCanada stated on its website “TransCanada continues to review its options and remains committed to building the Keystone XL Pipeline.” While President Barack Obama has denied the permit for the project, the company continues to challenge that decision, using NAFTA regulations as an argument.
Fracking is the one issue where the two candidate’s policies overlap. Donald Trump is a long-time supporter of fracking, saying on twitter on May 3rd 2012 “Fracking will lead to American energy independence. With price of natural gas continuing to drop, we can be at a tremendous advantage”. On July 29th 2016 he spoke out in support of local autonomy on the issue, saying that while the country needs fracking, “if a municipality or state wants to ban fracking, I can understand that.”
Despite some of her recent statements, Hillary Clinton can also be seen as long-time supporter of fracking. During her tenure as Secretary of State, her special envoy for international affairs launched the Global Shale Gas Initiative. Since leaving office, she has continued to support fracking while calling for “smart regulations” in speeches and her book Hard Choices. Her position has become somewhat more nuanced on the campaign trail. Clinton detailed her position during the March 6th debate in Flint, Michigan, stating: “I don’t support it when any locality or any state is against it’’, ‘’I don’t support it when the release of methane or contamination of water is present” and she doesn’t support it ‘’unless we can require that anybody who fracks has to tell us exactly what chemicals they are using.” Related: Game May Not Be Over For Barnett Shale
When it comes raising money, the oil and gas sector regularly donated more to the Republicans than Democrats, but this time around, we’ve seen some interesting developments. Hillary Clinton has raised double what Donald Trump managed to raise from U.S. oil and gas according to the Wall Street Journal. At the end of July 2016, employees in the U.S. oil and gas sector had donated $525,000 to Hillary Clinton’s campaign, compared with $149,000 to Donald Trump’s team. Whereas oil and gas companies donated $470,000 to Donald Trump compared to $650,000 for Hillary Clinton; landing at a total of $619,000 for Republicans and $1.175 million for Democrats. This latest fundraising cycle at the end of July highlighted two important points. Firstly, voters will donate to the candidate who they believe has a higher chance of winning the elections. Secondly, Hillary Clinton’s energy policy is more predictable than Donald Trump’s and therefore seems to be more appealing to many key players in the energy industry.
To be energy-independent does not mean to be isolated from the global energy market. Therefore, it’s important for the U.S. to continue to grow its share of oil and gas markets to counterbalance OPEC strategies and, by doing so, become less dependent on the international political and market fluctuations.
The United States can become energy-independent in in the near future with the right energy policies. In order to achieve this energy-independence, it is necessary to develop a combined energy program, meaning that the focus on just one type of energy, being fuels or renewable, at least in the near future is not a solution. In order to achieve a coherent U.S. energy policy for the next years, the future administration requires a balance in the use and development of fossil fuels and renewable energy and job creation within both of these sectors.
No matter who wins the U.S. presidential election in November, they will be compelled to consider the rest of the world’s energy policies.
51 Comments on "Clinton Versus Trump: The Biggest Difference In Energy Policy"
Cloggie on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 6:38 am
Trump should win because he can and will defuse tensions between the US and Russia and halt demographic decay. But his energy and climate policy is less than stellar. However when conventional gradually declines and the “dregs” need to fill the gap, against increased prices, there is good hope that price mechanism and free market will kick in and renewables will gain traction on its own merit.
Davy on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 6:59 am
US energy policy has always been a joke and is only really for populous consumption. The US government has very little direct influence on policy. It is driven by industry and the global financial markets not government. Those in the government are in the pockets of the industry. This has always been the case. Those who talk about US conspiracies of global oil production control are deceived by their extremism. Renewables on the other hand do require the effort of the government to sustain the momentum. We need tax breaks and subsidies. I might add subsidies that are just a fraction of what goes to the fossil fuel industry.
Both Trump and Hillary are jokes so any talk about their policy is comedy really. It is meaningless in the bigger picture. US energy policy is reactive not proactive. The rest of the world except for maybe Russia is much the same. Russians know where their bread is buttered and the government behaves accordingly. The population has no issues with that. In the US we have Subaru environmentalist who speed around in their auto to environmental gatherings or to buy a green product. These people trumpet the evils of fossil fuels. What a joke. You can’t have your cake and eat it and that is what many greens are today. It is just another way to bargain against the death of prosperity. Green and shiny sounds so good except for the fact it will not be shiny. Real green means dirty as in dirty hands and feet. I come in from my work at the end of the day with goat shit on my feet. That is the reality of what green is. This whole political process is a joke and energy policy is ranked high on that list.
Cloud9 on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 7:00 am
First off Hillary is a proven liar. Any promise she makes, any position she supports is purely for personal gain. She is the queen of bait and switch. Put no stock in anything she says. She is the chosen candidate for the status quo. She is completely owned by the banking cartel. She will do what is in the best interest of her investors. Secondly, Trump is a real estate man. I doubt very seriously he has spent much time going over the hard data on climate change or oil depletion. Trump is a shrewd business man who has experience in the actual world of finance and production. If anything, he is a realist. We need a realist at this moment not some bought and paid for shill for the international banking cartel.
Davy on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 7:35 am
“On This Day Eight Years Ago Lehman Filed For Chapter 11: There Have Been 672 Rate Cuts Since”
http://tinyurl.com/zbuqyf6
dave thompson on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 7:35 am
No mention of Jill Stein of the green party or Gary Johnson of the libertarian party, HHHM seems kind of fishy to me.
makati1 on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 8:09 am
Some time ago, I said there may not be an election in November or ever again. I have been reading articles recently that have also mentioned the same thing as a possibility. As we approach November, there are a lot of things that could happen to “postpone” (indefinitely) any election or change of leadership. Killary’s death or even inability to function. A financial collapse caused by the Federal Reserve, or some other possible but unexpected false flag event like 9/11. The elite are getting desperate. Nothing would surprise me.
forbin on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 8:19 am
Clinton Versus Trump ?
erm , you guys mean there’s a difference ?
two sides to the same coin – vote for the 3rd man !
Forbin
PS: or woman for that matter
PPS theres a geeky game called Warhammer 40k where humanity worships a corpse …….. which corpse shall the USA vote for ?
🙂
Cloggie on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 8:31 am
“The elite are getting desperate. Nothing would surprise me.”
Indeed:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/europaparlamentschef-schulz-trump-ist-ein-problem-fuer-die-ganze-welt-a-1112411.html
The president of the EU parliament Martin Schulz claims today that “Trump is a problem for the entire world”
LOL, he isn’t. Only for the leftist commie one world water carriers of the US empire like Schulz.
He correctly fears he will go down the drain just like his leftist colleagues did in Eastern Europe in 1989.
The western elite wants to abolish the Europeans in Europe and America.
Good luck with that, I know who really is going to be abolished. Enjoy what’s coming your way, Martin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwtwQqVU77oIdentitarians Vienna
Merkel booed in Prague:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr2gq9cR8_U
George Soros little bitch can’t show her face anywhere in Europe without getting heckled for more than a year now.
Jacob Augstein, the Irving Kristol of Germany was interrupted by the European Identitarian movement two days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmb6ojgniqY
The identitarean movement began three years ago in France with this declaration of war:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYJB-wjrGsM
The war will begin in France (and will end on North-American soil).
We are not going to give Europe away to the third world just because the Sanhedrin asks us to do.
Cloggie on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 8:36 am
“the Irving Kristol of Germany”
Make that Bill Kristol.
rockman on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 10:44 am
Doesn’t matter what their stated energy policies are today. When one becomes the POTUS they’ll be faced with actually implementing policies. As President Obama, the “greenest” POTUS in history discovered. Such as when he fully supported the expansion of the pipeline system that created increased financial motivation to produce more of the Canadian oil sands. And scheduled lease sales off the east coast and the Arctic. And just last January cancelled the export ban of US oil and thus potentially improving the profitability of US oil companies.
Saying what one says what they will do when in power is often very different then what one actually does when in power. That’s when the phrase “I know what I said but…” can increasingly show up in those POTUS announcements. LOL.
Plantagenet on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 11:27 am
Rockman is 100% right. Oil production in the USA surged upward under obama, in spite of his “commitment” to renewables.
Hillary will just continue this.
It does’t matter what they say—you have to look at what they do.
CHEERS!
Apneaman on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 11:50 am
clogged, less than stellar?
“The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make US manufacturing non-competitive.”
“It snowed over 4 inches this past weekend in New York City. It is still October. So much for Global Warming.”
“Global warming has been proven to be a canard repeatedly over and over again. The left needs a dose of reality.”
“In the 1920’s people were worried about global cooling–it never happened. Now it’s global warming. Give me a break!”
“Let’s continue to destroy the competitiveness of our factories & manufacturing so we can fight mythical global warming. China is so happy!”
“Global warming is based on faulty science and manipulated data which is proven by the emails that were leaked”
“They changed the name from “global warming” to “climate change” after the term global warming just wasn’t working (it was too cold)!”
“The people that gave you global warming are the same people that gave you ObamaCare!”
“Ice storm rolls from Texas to Tennessee – I’m in Los Angeles and it’s freezing. Global warming is a total, and very expensive, hoax!”
“We should be focused on clean and beautiful air-not expensive and business closing GLOBAL WARMING-a total hoax!”
“What the hell is going on with GLOBAL WARMING. The planet is freezing, the ice is building and the G.W. scientists are stuck-a total con job”
“Another freezing day in the Spring – what is going on with “global warming”? Good move changing the name to “climate change” – sad!”
“It’s 46º (really cold) and snowing in New York on Memorial Day – tell the so-called “scientists” that we want global warming right now!”
“Snowing in Texas and Louisiana, record setting freezing temperatures throughout the country and beyond. Global warming is an expensive hoax!”
“Give me clean, beautiful and healthy air – not the same old climate change (global warming) bullshit! I am tired of hearing this nonsense.”
Donald Trump
Go Speed Racer on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 1:40 pm
ACADEMIC SCHOLAR WITH CIGAR EXPLAINS
WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR TRUMP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETsYTIZREaM
Go Speed Racer on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 1:44 pm
Holy smokes, this is the real story that’s breaking out.
https://youtu.be/Zr1IDQ2V1eM
That old bag is hiding a bunch of health problems.
But they can’t keep it secret forever.
penury on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 4:11 pm
The POTUS is completely powerless in a lot of areas energy being one. In any field where all the POTUS controls are words and the industries control revenues, revenue wins 100 per cent of the time. Yes the POTUS could rally the voters and force the legislators to enact regulations, however I don’t think any of us will be around that long. If you believe in “Green” vote Jill if elected she should be just as effective as the other two.
Sissyfuss on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 4:28 pm
Apeman, you beat to the draw against Clargo Cult’s less than stellar remark and gave a wondrous and plenteous list. Too bad Clarg will now bludgeon us with a nebulous and pithyless history lesson on Denmark’s glory days. And Rock says Obama is the greenest? He looks light brown to me.
ghung on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 4:34 pm
Go Speed Racer; REALLY? You give any credence at all to this buffoon?
Go Speed Racer on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 4:57 pm
Which one, the Doctor or the guy in his backyard?
Either one sounds good enough to me.
Anonymous on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 5:06 pm
Cloud9 understand it perfectly. Shillary is no more for ‘renewables’, than trump or Rex tillerson is. She simply has a talking point prepared for her, by others, who have calculated it will garner her ‘votes’, in certain quarters, simply because ….well, because she said it.
Like Cloud9 says, though, in reality, there is zero change she would actually pursue such policies, because those are not the policies of the uS regime and its backers. The uS has had decades to make policies like the ones she yapping about. ‘Obomber’ had a decade, and while renewables have indeed some headway, it wasn’t because of anything the figurehead in the so-called ‘white house’ did.
If the queen of chaos is installed as figurehead in the WH, the only time you will hear about the policy above, is in press releases or during TV interviews if the topic comes up at all. Thus, the only real ‘difference’ between these tho amerikan imbeciles, is the degree of honesty on that particular topic. When trump says he thinks CG is a ‘hoax’, at least I can beleive him. When killary says she(it) favors ending corporate welfare for oil corporations and increasing wind\solar at FF’s expense? I just have to LOL. ‘Obomber’ said the same things, I think even one of the bushes may have said something about oil subsidies as well at some point. How’d that work out?
Those here that realize that corporations, the military and it deep state cabals and allies long ago striped the ‘formal’ uS gov of much of its authority over corporations, are to be applauded. Need an example? Look at how helpless and powerless the ‘prez’ was during the GoM disaster. The only ‘power’ he exercised, was to help BP suppress independent analysis of both the disaster, and the response to it. The uS gov functioned as hired muscle and media censor, while the actual management was pretty much handed over to those that caused it in the first place. This pattern of the uSgov deferring to oil corporations in case of oil disasters, is a feature of the uSgov policy, not a bug. They did the exact same thing for Exxon later on when it had that big leak that destroyed that residential neighborhood.
The WH, like penury points out, is virtually powerless to do anything about energy policy in the empire, except perhaps, in symbolic or trivial ways.
ghung on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 5:33 pm
“Which one, the Doctor or the guy in his backyard?”
The Doctor (he’s an anaesthesiologist, not a neurologist, BTW). The other guy is just a freaking clown.
I have always had a very intense and accurate bullshit-o-meter. It went off when, as a kid, I had to sit and listen to our preacher. It goes off every time I hear Trump or Clinton speak, and it went off big-time when I watched that video. I gave him some rope though, and it wasn’t long before the blatant distortions came out.
We’re so fucked; no honesty or character to found anywhere it seems.
Apneaman on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 6:20 pm
The guy in his backyard, like most working Americans his age is probably paying the lowest income tax rate or near it since he started working – google it. If anyone has a right to bitch it’s the really young and kids who’s national inheritance has been spent by the last 3 generations on dopamine hits. Think of the debt left for their generation and any who might come after. Decadence never before seen, a rotten infrastructure, a trashed environment and more debt than can ever be paid. If the boomers and gen-xers paid for their own infrastructure maintenance and stupid fucking sports stadiums and subsidized flood insurance, and even a fraction of their externalities and a long list of other benefits whose price tag is being dumped on the grand kids and their kids, then their taxes would be through the roof. Boomers and Gen-x ers are the most self important over entitled decadent generations to ever live and most of them never stop whining about their rights and taxes. How fucking obscene is that? This tragic millennial generation with their depression and obesity, and debt and worthless college degrees and a dystopian future is on us. Everything you know you learn from your parents, peers and culture. Yeah, lets blame it ALL on some illegal immigrants. I hate that backyard professor – that’s right I hate him. I’d like to take that cigar and shove it right in his ugly pie hole………and his accent is stupid too.
Does professor retard got’s a anti war rant?
Latest Estimate Pegs Cost of Wars at Nearly $5 Trillion
“The amount of $4.79 trillion, “so large as to be almost incomprehensible,” she writes, adds up like this:
The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, and other overseas operations already cost $1.7 trillion between 2001 and August 2016 with $103 billion more requested for 2017
Homeland Security terrorism prevention costs from 2001 to 2016 were $548 billion.
The estimated DOD base budget was $733 billion and veterans spending was $213 billion.
Interest incurred on borrowing for wars was $453 billion.
Estimated future costs for veterans’ medical needs until the year 2053 is $1 trillion.
And the amounts the DOD, State Department, and Homeland Security have requested for 2017 ($103 billion).”
https://theintercept.com/2016/09/14/latest-estimate-pegs-cost-of-wars-at-nearly-5-trillion/
https://www.brown.edu/web/documents/nosearch/2016CostsofWar.pdf
Need to cut more food stamps and buy a few more drones.
ghung on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 6:30 pm
Ap; “Need to cut more food stamps and buy a few more drones.”
Nah…. Won’t happen. It’s Big Ag’s best subsidy. Monsanto (soon to be German) and Smithfield (100% Chinese-owned and North America’s biggest pork producer) won’t have it.
Cloggie on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 6:51 pm
ghung says: “We’re so fucked; no honesty or character to found anywhere it seems.”
Don’t get me started on you.
Apneaman on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 7:24 pm
ghung, you right. So many interconnected and interdependent subsidies it’s hard to keep track of them. I just remembered, shortly after the last round of food stamp cuts Dollar stores and Walmart sales and stock took a hit.
I’ve always been critical of those who abuse the social safety net, but it’s not like these folks have a lot of opportunities.
Let Them Eat Twinkies
“Things are looking so good for poor people that between 500,000 and 1,000,000 of them are being dropped from SNAP, formerly known as the Food Stamp program, this year. Some 20 states are reinstating the three-month limit on benefits to adults 18-49 who are not disabled or raising children. Thus freed from a crippling dependency on government handouts, these poorest of the poor are doing much better now, many of them actually motivated to go out and create jobs — in the field of heroin marketing, for example.
Surprisingly, it turns out there’s a downside to cutting Food Stamp benefits. It has been a serious blow to the sales of WalMart and Dollar General Stores — the sector of the retail market known as the Bottom Feeders. In addition to the fact that the employees of these stores need Food Stamps to survive (witness WalMart’s warm-hearted annual drive to collect canned SpaghettiOs so their employees and their families can have a Christmas Dinner), it turns out that the stores also need Food Stamps to survive.
Dollar General last week reported an 18% drop in its stock price after it reported disappointing sales, and found itself in a price-cutting war with WalMart, all since the food stamp cuts started to materialize. DollarTree reported similar problems. Cutting prices on staple items will reduce profits further, of course, but the companies hope it will allow them to hang on to their customers until things get better. (As we all know, things always get better, always before the system breaks down. That rule is as inviolate as the one we all relied on in 2008, the one that said: housing prices never go down.)”
http://www.dailyimpact.net/2016/08/29/let-them-eat-twinkies/
Go Speed Racer on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 7:27 pm
The anti-bird-feeder guy, in the backyard with cigar, that’s the one should be our next president.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETsYTIZREaM
Apneaman on Thu, 15th Sep 2016 8:03 pm
This American YouTube ranter, Texas Eco Nazi Ham-bone, is by far and away the very best.
ALL Trump and Clinton Supporters Are “Deplorable”: Clueless Moron Roundup Rant 9/11/16
“In this week’s Clueless Moron Roundup rant, I turn to the mainstream media for more evidence of how this planet’s collective IQ is heading directly into the toilet.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGqXXEzs99A
rockman on Fri, 16th Sep 2016 12:06 am
Apeman – Much if what you say is true. BUT: “Look at how helpless and powerless the ‘prez’ was during the GoM disaster.” That might have appeared that way but not true. The fed offshore lease regs are very clear: the federal govt can’t take complete control over any offshore operations. No hearing, court order, etc. is required. By signing the lease the operator gives the absolute and uncontestable right to the govt to take charge anytime it chooses to.
But you have to appreciate the obvious: the most capable and experienced petroleum engineers don’t work for the feds. Especially true for the hands-on field personnel. Particularly true at the upper levels of the operations groups.
But not necessarily at the uppermost management levels…for the industry and the feds. Considering how long it took to stop the oil flow BP upper management might have wished the feds had taken over initially. It didn’t really matter who was at the controls: the well kill was going to take as long as it took.
But as far as info released to the public that was at the complete discretion of the govt.
BTW just read a short review of the movie that claims it gives a very accurate accounting of what led to the blowout. As I posted years ago I know exactly what went wrong: a very foolish and dangerous protocol chosen by BP management combined with some severe negligence by some of the rig crew. And so does everyone in the oil patch.The MSM reports made it seem more complicated then it actually was. I’ll wait to see the movie before going over the details again.
It was an especially sad period for the Rockman. A consultant working for me at the time was the uncle of one of the hands killed. And not only did he have to deal with the grief of his sister his adult son was killed in an auto accident just 2 weeks earlier. Compounding it for the Rockman: I had to cut him loose. Dangerous enough on a drill rig without being as rightfully distracted as he was.
Solarity on Fri, 16th Sep 2016 2:01 am
“…the U.S. announced that they had ratified the Paris climate accord.”
NO! Obama announced that he ratified it. A treaty (contract between sovereign nations) is binding on the U.S. only if it is ratified by the U.S. Senate, and the Paris accords have not been so approved.
makati1 on Fri, 16th Sep 2016 2:20 am
Solarity, that passes for “fact” in the US. Few Americans have any idea how their government is supposed to work. It hasn’t done so in decades.
Anonymous on Fri, 16th Sep 2016 3:46 am
Sorry, rock, it IS true. My point was not that the uS regime, headed by the current figurehead ‘Obama’ could have waved its magic wand and stopped the flow of oil. It could not have of course. That wasn’t the ‘point’ at all. But nice deflection all the same.
Your ‘teleprompter-in-chief’ never considered using the uS regimes authority and power in that matter. regardless what the ‘law’ says on such matters, for much more than helping BP cover up the nature and extent of that disaster. IE, as I said, he deferred to the oil cartel, as the uSgov does in all such cases. The only different in opinion between those ‘two’ groups, at most, is how to best manage public perception of such events. The govt, of course, mandates that the oil cartel clean up the worst and most visible aspects of its messes, but thats only to avoid possible mass civil protests.
“By signing the lease the operator gives the absolute and uncontestable right to the govt to take charge anytime it chooses to.”
That might even be true, but everyone in the amerikan oil cartel knows full well, as you do, the chances of that actually happening, are remote at best. And if the regime did try to step on the cartels toes, a legal challenge would emerge no matter what any regs state. The industry writes those regs in collusion with your oily bought and paid for govt, they dont actually expect to see the ‘law’ used against them in any serious way.
And they don’t.
joe on Fri, 16th Sep 2016 4:14 am
Nobody really cares which energy policy they have, because the people are totally ignorant of the issues. Nowdays most people are on twitter or facebook, 4he millenials which in 08 were too young are now in a stronger poisition to have influence but unlike 08 there is no Obama to inspire them falsely. When Obama got elected most people saw a young black man, I saw another privileged lawyer and so never disappointed, now we have a privileged plutocrat against a privileged carrear politican, its not gonna end well guys. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Davy on Fri, 16th Sep 2016 4:32 am
“its not gonna end well guys. Be afraid, be very afraid.” Joe, it will not end well anywhere. That is the nature of collapse. I see no nation placed well. We will see winners and losers relative to decline. My personal opinion is Russia will fare better than most until Asians start moving into Asia Russia. The US and Europe will be a mess but surely better than overpopulated Asia. The majority of the world population live in South Asia that can’t end well.
Cloud9 on Fri, 16th Sep 2016 7:45 am
Never underestimate hubris. One of the first things you have to understand is the people who are in positions of power are there as a result of the convergence of a billion unrelated but interconnected events that placed them in office. These people tend to discount the millions of things they had no control over that helped put them at the pinnacle of power. Instead, they focus on the handful of events that they did control and delude themselves with contrived evidence of their own brilliance. Such persons are capable of phenomenally bad decisions. So it is possible that some Victoria Nuland type could call for the suspension of elections? Of course it is. Self-delusion has no bounds.
Could we have a military coup, it’s already been done. Alexander Haig declared himself supreme leader, by passing the vice president, during the attempted assassination of Reagan. Could we have a vice president become president after serving only a few days or weeks as vice president? John Tyler took office after being vice president for only one month. Can we have a regime change as a result of assassination? Look at the presidencies of both Johnsons and the presidency of Teddy Roosevelt. In all of those incidents, massive political factions lost control of the government due to an assassin’s bullet. Could we have someone who has never been elected serve as president? Have we all forgotten Gerald Ford?
All that is necessary for the continuance is for the checks to be signed, the funds to be transferred and the deep state to continue to function. All else is chatter.
makati1 on Fri, 16th Sep 2016 8:41 am
Cloud9, it could happen next year.
rockman on Fri, 16th Sep 2016 6:25 pm
Apeman – No diflection…just correcting your factual error. And besides, would you have really wanted the govt to take over the well kill ops?
“And if the regime did try to step on the cartels toes, a legal challenge would emerge no matter what any regs state”.
I think you didn’t understand what I said. The feds authority out on the water is truly absolute. Forget a f*cking legal challenge: anyone resistance to fed efforts and you’ll immediately be arrested by federal marshal. I think you have a very overinflated view of the enfluence companies have over the feds offshore. But in your defense you’ve never worked in that arena and have no first hand experience in such matters, have you? For instance what does “stepping” on toes means? And what “cartels” to you speak off?
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Sep 2016 6:55 pm
rockman, you got the wrong man. You want to direct your comment to Anonymous.
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Sep 2016 9:44 pm
Trump, Hillary the MSM, the alt media and the retardOsphere are totally out of control. I think the American people need to know the truth about their candidate’s health before the all important election. I suggest as an alternative to another fake debate, nationally televised medical exams. Both candidates will be on stage together, stripped down and given a proper going over by a team of bipartisan physicians. In the interest of fairness, a registered republican gynocologist will examin Hillarys vigina and take a PAP smear with the entire country watching. Simultaneously, Trump will bend over and have a registered democrat proctologist examine his prostrate. Lab technicians will be standing by to examine the samples. Both candidates will then take turns having their brains scanned with a fMRI while being asked questions about all the people they have fucked over in their careers – Hillary in politics and Trump in business. All media MSM & Alt will be invited including Alex Jones, except he has to wear a muzzle so as not to ruin the audio for the folks watching on TV and live stream. Alex may bring a sign language interpreter if he wishes, but at his own expense.
This is the only way to be certain and I think the American people deserve it. It will help those sad clinging desperate fools, who have deluded themselves into thinking it matters, decide which piece of shit pathological liar they want to vote for.
rockman on Sat, 17th Sep 2016 12:26 am
Sorry Apeman…eyes getting older everyday. Should have realized that wasn’t your style. LOL.
Apneaman on Sat, 17th Sep 2016 1:35 am
rockman, no worries. I get that. I have an optometrist appointment next week just so I can get a more powerful script. It’s been a stronger prescription every year now for the last 3 years. It’s not just the eyes that are going either. Entropy.
makati1 on Sat, 17th Sep 2016 1:56 am
Ap. I hope you have a spare pair for when… I am lucky enough to only need glasses for reading small print. Knock on wood. Perhaps it was all of those carrots I ate like candy when I was a kid?
I buy my reading glasses at the local generic pharmacy and they cost P110 (~$2.50). I had a pair from my optometrist in the US that I paid over $100 for before I moved and the frames broke less than 6 months later. The pair I am now wearing is over two years old. I have a few spares, JIC. I wonder what those who require strong corrective lenses are going to do when they are not available?
Cloggie on Sat, 17th Sep 2016 3:20 am
Slowly but surely America is getting ready for Trump:
http://www.infowars.com/liberals-butthurt-over-trumps-successful-tonight-show-appearance/
Apneaman on Sat, 17th Sep 2016 4:59 am
clogged, do you put your Alex Jones, anti NWO decoder ring on before you start typing to protect yourself from vague evil forces?
Alex Jones
You see, 666 is a doubling of 33. And 33 is pi.
—Alex Jones[1][2]
Alex Emerick Jones (born in 1974, replaced by an animatronic puppet sometime after 2010) is a radio entertainer and comedian who specializes in making up conspiracy theories to entertain his audience.[3]
Notoriously hard-to-place ideologically (though clearly located to the right on most topics), Jones’ views amount to some kind of high-powered mutant hybrid of libertarianism/paleoconservatism/evangelical protestantism/neoreactionism/miscellaneous. Jones is one of the very few people who can make Glenn Beck look comparatively sane; it gets worse from there.
Alex got his start on Access TV in Austin, peddling basically the same horseshit, except on a small-time scale. Y2K was what he really pounded the table over, grunting about the end of money and shilling for his gun and survivalist’s shop called “The Hardware Store”. They specialized in stuff like guns, ammo, MREs[4] and 8-stage water filtration systems. He pimped the hell out of these on his show, promising us all that the end was nigh. Then nothing happened.[5][6]
Most Texans assumed he was done. Then 9/11 swooped in and bailed the charlatan out.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alex_Jones
Cloggie on Sat, 17th Sep 2016 6:01 am
“do you put your Alex Jones, anti NWO decoder ring on before you start typing to protect yourself from vague evil forces?”
What’s your point? I see Alex Jones, not as my personal guru, far from it; Putin would qualify more, as a good 2nd behind Charles de Gaulle. Alex Jones is often “over the top”, but I see him as an important historic phenomenon, just like, say Lech Walesa. Jones as the #1 US dissident, cleverly exploiting the possibilities of the internet to compete with the NWO/Sanhedrin media.
Lech Walesa was never my personal hero, but I did observe that he was the #1 catalyst in bringing down the Polish government and eventually the Soviet government.
I gladly leave it to you as an exercise to connect the dots regarding how I see the potential historic role of Alex Jones. All to the benefit of European civilization world wide, my private little insignificant agenda.
If for some reason you are unable to figure that out, for instance because of a lack of cerebral horsepower, I gladly refer you to ghung, who is more than capable of understanding what I mean and explain it to you.
Good luck, you may use a calculator for this exercise.
Cloggie on Sat, 17th Sep 2016 9:24 am
OMG, it is five minutes before Trump!
http://www.turi2.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/SP_38_2016_MCA_Turi_600x400.gif
The German language edition of US imperial news der Spiegel has dedicated its this week front cover to warn the world against Trump. It correctly is very worried about the weakness of la Clinton…
http://www.silverdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Hillary-shoe.png
…this modern day Cinderella, who very may meet soon her, um… prince.lol
Cloggie on Sat, 17th Sep 2016 9:53 am
“What happens if an idiot becomes US president?”
http://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/origs5584038/7842309955-w1280-h480-o-q72-p4/cover-23-emoney-2016-1.jpg
Anonymous on Sat, 17th Sep 2016 10:10 pm
“Jones as the #1 US dissident, cleverly exploiting the possibilities of the internet to compete with the NWO/Sanhedrin media.”
Clog…..Jones is married to a jew, and has popped out two-mini jews already. Hes a shill, controlled dissent, for trailer trash, AOL amerika. Why anyone, would describe a fat, addicted, blithering idiot like jones as some kind of ‘dissident’, let alone the #1 dissident is….a stretch to put it politely. There is plenty of credible alt media in the world, and people that speak out against empire. Jones, however, is not one of them. The guy is a total fraud and shill.
Apneaman on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 12:00 am
Clogged, that photo is no good to me. I have no knowledge of your primitive barbarian language. Please make an effort to only share links to site using advanced language. AKA-english. There is a reason you need to know it if you want to do business other than sell clogs to tourists.
Apneaman on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 12:03 am
When Will The Idiots On The Other End Of The Political Spectrum Wake Up And Have Every One Of My Life Circumstances, Daily Interactions, And Upbringing?
“Seriously, it’s about time these jerks on the other side of the political spectrum woke the hell up and started having the exact same background, experiences, and upbringing as me.
If all those imbeciles would take one goddamn minute to look at the facts and go through every single one of the things I’ve gone through in my life, then what America needs right now would become very clear very quickly. These people on the other side don’t have the first clue how to deal with the issues facing this country because they’ve all simply coasted through life with a set of personal circumstances totally different than mine. It’s no wonder that what they believe makes absolutely no fricking sense.”
http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/when-will-idiots-other-end-political-spectrum-wake-53482
Apneaman on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 12:08 am
Report: Only 893,000 News Stories To Go Until 2016 Election Over
“Based on our projections, the end of this election cycle is just under 900,000 articles away, or barely 800,000 if you don’t include editorials from publications’ editorial boards,” said lead researcher Ken Dunham, who noted that citizens could expect 400,000 more articles from the campaign trail, 135,000 more analyses of poll results, 51,000 more debate recaps, 94,000 more side-by-side comparisons of candidates’ positions, and 88,000 more thinkpieces delving into a candidate’s behind-the-scenes personality, after which the election would be a thing of the past. “We determined that, as of right now, the average American simply has to make it through 3,400 more graphs showing various demographics’ voting preferences, read or hear the word ‘delegate’ approximately 1.7 million more times, and see roughly 168,000 additional photos of a candidate standing behind a lectern before the whole process is wrapped up. Then that’s it.”
http://www.theonion.com/article/report-only-893000-news-stories-go-until-2016-elec-52824
makati1 on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 12:13 am
Ap, we assume there will be an election. Note the verb I used. ^_^