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China Aims For Superpower Status
China mobilises for a big event like nowhere else.
Hangzhou on the eve of the G20 is a certain kind of awesome. A city rebuilt.
Filled with brand new security kit and locked down manhole covers, it has been emptied of a third of its population.
The switch was flicked to off in factories for hundreds of miles around, the pollution haze dispersed and the sky turned ‘G20 blue’.
This weekend’s G20 is a demonstration that the one party state decides on a goal, it can call the country to attention and command its people to get behind it.
The G20 really matters to China. Since the first such summit in Washington in late 2008, these occasions have mostly been forgettable.
But that year was a watershed for the Chinese leadership.
With the global financial crisis, Beijing stopped believing there was something immutable and dependable about the way the western powers had wired the global economy.
As others floundered, China began its lightning move up the GDP hierarchy to second place, and simultaneously launched a campaign to move from outsider to central player in global economic governance.
Despite the slower growth of recent months, Chinese purpose has not wavered.
In fact, events since have only strengthened the conviction that economic power is moving east, and that this, if not the Asian century, is at least China’s century.
The list of evidence for this faith is long and conveniently includes Hangzhou’s own global brands.
Eight years ago, most foreigners would have been hard pressed to name any Chinese company, but now this city alone is home to several giants, including Alibaba.
They are among China’s corporate miracles which have worked out how to leverage an immense domestic market, hungry workforce and almost limitless capital, while absorbing abroad whatever growth nutrients they are missing at home.
So this week’s PR narrative around the G20 host city is a Hangzhou which balances a glorious imperial past with a glorious innovative future.
The sharper strategic narrative around China’s G20 moment is about the decline of the West, which began with the 2008 financial crisis, but is now gathering pace amid the distractions of a US presidential election and the disarray in Europe over Brexit, migrants and recession.
In this triumphal narrative, only China is a reliable engine of growth, its politics less populist, its leadership farsighted.
And according to the official New China News Agency, it is now time to take that leadership global.
The host is ready to share its time-honoured wisdom and up-to-date solutions with the world.
Put bluntly, China hopes the world will look back and identify the Hangzhou G20 as the moment when China looked like a better guardian of global economic governance than a US paralysed by poisonous politics at home and handicapped by distractions abroad.
China’s dilemma
But will the Hangzhou summit be remembered like that? Will it be remembered at all?
After all, leaders have to lead and this is hard for China on economic issues, let alone security.
At a time of struggling growth and protectionist backlash across the world, President Xi will try to present himself in Superman pants, urging his guests to defend free trade for the sake of all our futures.
But talk is cheap. Many of those in President Xi’s audience have been complaining of Chinese protectionism for decades, the joke among their trade negotiators that for China the slogan win/win means heads I win, tails you lose.
Certainly China has been a great beneficiary of globalisation and the commitment of others to free trade.
It would have much to lose if the rest of the world started closing its markets.
But both the German ambassador to China and the European Union Chamber of Commerce complained only this week that their companies face an unlevel playing field in China and that some feel ever less welcome.
There is no sign of a last minute Superman-style intervention that might translate Chinese talk about free trade into spectacular action.
Meanwhile the theme for China’s summit is “Towards an Innovative, Invigorated, Interconnected and Inclusive World Economy”.
But as well as being the master of top down mobilisation, China is often the master of meaning-light slogans.
What would really help an innovative and invigorated global economy is fundamental structural reform from China, the dismantling of large parts of the sclerotic and monopolistic state owned economy.
A dramatically freer Chinese economy with fair access to key sectors for private enterprise and foreigners would enormously enhance China’s credibility as a leader on global governance.
It stands to reason that if you play by fair rules, you have got a better chance of being invited to set them.
But it will not happen or will not happen fast because of perceived political risk.
A freer economy would get in the way of the Party’s number one objective, political control.
And this desperate political fragility has other painful consequences for China’s dream of leadership.
Exactly a year ago, the last huge international set piece in China was a giant military parade to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the defeat of Japan in WWII.
Many of the world leaders now gathering in Hangzhou were invited to attend that too, but most stayed away because the exercise was framed in a narrative of China’s historical victimhood and 21st century return to greatness.
It was a hard power message calculated to unite the domestic audience firmly behind the Communist Party.
But by moving towards an increasingly strident nationalism complete with territorial ambitions and military build up, Beijing has placed itself in a zero sum leadership dilemma.
It can either lead at home or it can lead abroad but without a more liberal political agenda, it cannot do both.
In a region, where so many nations still have wounds from history, China’s nationalist politics are toxic to its hopes to lead internationally.
In July, Beijing’s furious denunciation of an international court ruling on the South China Sea put it on the wrong side of international law.
And if there are no accepted rules of the game, then the game is not about leadership but about my will against yours and ultimately about brute force.
When you resort to that game, Superman pants can only be worn in the privacy of your own home.
All those gathered for the G20 are keenly aware of these realities. They will note the slogans, the songs and the speeches.
But when we look back in years to come and remember the Hangzhou summit, I suspect we will still be remembering the awesome mobilisation involved.
China has not yet found the language to lead a troubled world.
54 Comments on "China Aims For Superpower Status"
makati1 on Tue, 6th Sep 2016 9:19 pm
BBC, a really “reliable” unbiased source of facts/news. (pure sarcasm*)
China has the balls to stand up against the dying superpower, America, just as the new Ps Prez can call the Prompter-in-Chief “son of a whore” and walk away.
Making the US #1 use the emergency exit on AF1, no red carpet or prominent leaders to greet him,, in China, is the best thing I have seen in years.
Duterte calling down the Imperial Ambassador earlier, was a good thing also. He sees what the US did to the Philippines in the past and what it is doing in the present. He is going to put Filipinos first and all else after, if he has his way over the next 6-12 years.
Too bad American leaders cannot do the same for Americans. They put the 1% first and all other Americans at the back of the bus. So sad for a once great nation to sink so far in so little time. BTW: how is YOUR war on drugs going America? LMAO
BTW: If America is so loved by Filipinos, why is the US Embassy being rebuilt like a fortress? Americans are paying billions on measures other embassies do not even need. Most others are in normal office buildings along the main streets of the City. Only the US Embassy is heavily fortified.
* Definition, what is sarcasm: the use of remarks that clearly mean the opposite of what they say.
makati1 on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 12:05 am
“When it comes to applying rules of international law and ethics, the U.S. government and its mainstream media operate with stunning hypocrisy, what might be called “moral idiocy,” says Lawrence Davidson.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/06/america-and-the-plague-of-moral-idiocy/
Obvious to anyone with two brain cells that still function. lol
HARM on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 12:06 am
Well, duh… the U.S. Embassy in Philippines is being heavily fortified b/c we need strong walls to keep out all of our FANS! If we didn’t, the embassy staff’d get crushed by America groupies. Just like Iraq, or Libya, or…
makati1 on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 2:09 am
Well said, HARM. Well said. On holidays, they even post 50 caliber machine gun vehicles and troops at the main gate. Filipinos can be very insistent it seems…lol.
When I moved here 8 years ago, the place was open and you could see the Embassy building from the street. Now it is behind a solid heavy steel pair of gates and you cannot even take a picture of the US Embassy sign there. I know. I tried to take one of my 88 year old father in front of it and the guards made us leave as it is no longer allowed. Signs of the times, I guess. Paranoid America. Afraid of it’s own black shadow.
theedrich on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 2:09 am
Bipolar America: freebies and imperialism. The first attracts the clouds of Third-World parasites; the second generates hatred and envy among non-Western politicians. In the U.S. itself, the elites have replaced the outmoded concept of God with the Marxist idea of “history,” only with global wealth concentrating in their own hands behind a screen of “equality” and “anti-racism.”
Unbeknownst to the masses, world power depends on military puissance, not on claims of moral superiority or heartwarming blather vomited by Hollywood and the MSM. And today martial ascendancy has nothing to do with the cinematic picture of fearless superheroes killing those racist Nazis or of that brave and glorious Allied bombing of Dresden or nuking of Hiroshima. Instead, it depends on transcendently high-tech weaponry and preternaturally skilled political chess players.
On a planet where the megalomaniacs of DC cannot even stop the chaos they themselves have unleashed in Allahland, the future does not look promising. Consider: the would-be world conquistadores who in the 1990s designed the “Project for a New American Century” — namely Paul Wolfowitz (Deputy Secy of Defense), Dick Cheney (VP), Donald Rumsfeld (Secy of Defense), Elliot Abrams (Nat’l Sec. Council), Richard L. Armitage (Dep. Secy of State), John Bolton (Under Secy, Arms Control & Int’l Security), Zalmy Khalilizad (Special Presidential Envy in Afghanistan), among others —, and whose Project was continued under Ø, expected to take over the entire globe in five years through series of regime-toppling wars. (See General Wesley Clark’s revelations about the pre-9/11 plans to destroy Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran.)
This kind of febrile lust for galactic power, combined with overpopulation from the fast-breeding swamps of microcephalics (“refugees”) and new techniques and devices for mass destruction, can end only one way. But before that end, the current DC regime intends to turn the U.S. into a one-party state through the importation of the swamplanders and the submergence of the White race that built the country. The lefties, led by university presidents, delusional academics and the MSM, orgiastically applaud this plunge into dictatorship. Their hatred for the White race knows no bounds.
The open Chinese and Philippino contempt for Ø is only the tip of the iceberg. Yet our political and economic elites are sailing full steam ahead directly into that iceberg. We will know the moment of impact only after it has happened.
Davy on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 2:56 am
I find it laughable that Obama can criticize the Philippines on extrajudicial killings considering the drone killings going on. The US drug war is a failure and clearly killing US culture from within. We can be sure the US deep state is doing some killing or planning them at the moment. That said, what is happening in the Philippines is something new and ominous. Politically sanctioning killings openly and with public support both overt and covert will send a signal that anything goes. The ultimate of anything goes is the open and overt blessing of extrajudicial killings. This develops into a killing apparatus. It cannot be controlled and eventually gets manipulated and morphs into killing dissidents of all kinds. Before long a new arm of government develops complete with personnel and leadership dedicate to swift justice if you can call it that.
I don’t see competence with Duterte actions. He is appealing to populism. People love that kind of behavior. He is a reflection of Trump with more gaudiness. Trump has stepped on politically correct but Duterte has taken it to a whole other level. Take a politician like Putin and compare Duterte and you see a contrast in sophistication. Putin is known to be a thief and a killer but it is not traceable. At the international level sophistication is all important. Duterte is not going to win over friends at that level and that is what the P’s need at this point. We are entering a period of global decay and decline at all levels. It will be a time where countries need connections and respect. A shrinking global pie will affect all with winners and losers. Bragging about Duterte actions is fun but it points to what may be a dark period in a country that has seen much progress.
Anonymous on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 4:13 am
Exceptionalist fantasies
“Putin is known to be a thief and a killer but it is not traceable”.
LoL, no fool, he not ‘known’ to be either of those things, but keep trying.
It really irritates you that your ‘leader’ is a contemptible, teleprompter reading, weakling and hypocrite, while the leader of the Russian Federation is widely respected and admired around the world. Trust me, President Putin will get a red carpet whether he asks or needs one, or not. ‘Your’ man (in washingdum)? , not so much. Lets hope China starts a trend by showing the world it is under no obligation to kiss the figurehead of the ‘free-worlds’ ass.
Cloggie on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 4:30 am
One could be puzzled by Duterte’s behavior. Apparently he is distancing himself from the US and is not that interested in US overlord/protector status.
That idea is confirmed if you read this:
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-china-ready-rodrigo-duterte-16782
Most likely Duterte is betting on the Chinese horse and is already accepting that China is going to be the new local hegemon in the South China Sea. Duterte is drawing the same conclusions Brzezinsky (and our own ghung) does, namely that the US is retreating from exceptionalism and global empire.
P.S. Davy says: “Putin is known to be a thief and a killer but it is not traceable.”
Other people would say that that allegation is an unsubstantiated smear until proven otherwise. My instinct tells me that Putin is not motivated by money, but instead by statesmanship, who is living for his place in the history books and who is advancing Russian interests within a multi-polar world and fighting for Russian survival. But in order to stay in power I can indeed imagine that some of his enemies were wasted after Putin gave the nod to his secret service. But again, I can’t prove that and perhaps Russian secret services operate on their own initiative.
Davy on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 4:57 am
Nice try Anymouse but I have no admiration for the US leadership. I have made that clear in my many comments it is just you can only understand extremes. I tell it like it is but you have to go to the extremes of good and bad and black and white. I see the grey of good and bad. You are an either or kind of boy. This is typical of a “20 something’s” and that is misdirected idealism. You have not seen life through the lenses of experience yet. You have not had your ass kicked by life yet. You probably just got your first piece of ass a few years ago. Your world is still small but you think you have found the answers by finding one topic that is the answer to all your questions and that is anti-Americanism. This is your religion and your passion. You really have a one track mind. At least other here who are anti-American have other interests. You take it as far as your own language with special words with goofy spellings. That is cute and fun to read but it lacks depth and points to a shallow mind.
Putin is a great leader and as a great leader he is the best of them at being a thief and a killer. He sweet talks the world with eloquence and sophistication. These type of leaders are the most dangerous. He does what he needs to do to cement power. Putin does it well and effectively and I admire him above all other leaders on the stage today. Obama could only wish he had the power Putin has. Obama is a puppet and Putin is a dictator. What would you rather be? Granted, Obama is a special puppet that only American presidents can be but still he is a yes man to a deeper state. Putin has yes men for lunch.
Davy on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 5:10 am
Of course Clog, Putin is not motivated by money just like the Pope is not, lol. How do you think you find your place in history and promote your countries interest? You need power. Power comes at a price and money is that price. It is well known Putin has his hand in the till of the Mafia state of Russia. It is where you find power. Money is not Putin’s prime motivation because Putin is at a higher level. Putin is about pride and power and that is so much higher a level for a politician to attain. Putin can get money as needed with power and respect. Petty politicians are about money. They are easily bought off and controlled by their need for money. Putin is no saint nor a statesman in the humble sense of the definition. He is a leader with strength and ability. He is still a thief and a killer as are successful politicians who rise to power in a mafia state. All states are turning “mafia”. It is how you deal with corruption and greed. Russia is probably an example of a state that will do the best in collapse. Collapse is going to require strong leadership that can make tough decisions. Putin will be able to do that.
Cloggie on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 7:11 am
China feels strong and like any rising power in history at some point will begin to flex its muscle, demand respect and will begin to expand. Currently there is only one party seemingly willing to block that expansion and that is the US, the good advice of senior geo-strategist Brzezinski notwithstanding.
The 2007 SCO alliance was a pragmatic, an ad hoc one, enforced by the US upon a Russia that has a European strategy, not a Eurasian, just like Peter the Great and Catherine the Great had before Vladimir the Great.
So far China has been hiding behind the back of Russia. Slowly the tide is turning and China is taking over the role of Russia as the prime rival of the US and China has much more clout than Russia.
If Trump would become president, he likely will back down in advance and concentrate on repairing US infrastructure and negotiate more mercantile, less globalist trade deals, with the protectionist option very well on the table, where the Washington globalists so far gave China a free pass under the banner of advancing globalism. The expectation in Washington was that in the end an interconnected world could be created where major players automatically would be willing to subjugate themselves to a UN sort of proto-government.
That is unlikely to happen. China is far more nationalist than anticipated, Russia likewise. De-Americanization is in the cards, not globalism. China has patiently absorbed most of the West’s manufacturing industry and was willing to let itself being paid in dollars as long as these dollars could be recycled into real gold and other hard assets, like real estate or ports.
These days are coming to an end. China is taking about global leadership and prudent Chinese generally don’t bluff.
China knows it is Russia’s plan B:
http://atimes.com/2016/07/russia-china-lofty-rhetoric-shifty-discourse/
Nevertheless China doesn’t mind if at some point Russia will turn to Europe. China’s grand strategy is the “New Silk Road”, that is Eurasian economic integration via overland trade route’s by rail, out of reach of the Anglo navies. China knows that as long as the US will continue to make exceptionalist noises, Russia will remain on the side of China.
By eagerly accepting the Chinese invitation to join the Asian development bank, the Europeans have signaled that they don’t reject that New Silk Road strategy and Eurasian integration. Furthermore there are increasingly signals that the Europeans have enough of the anti-Russian sanctions, imposed by Washington.
Davy on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 7:54 am
Clog, I am white and European. I identify with Europe not American. It is not that I feel resentful of what you are saying. Your message is one that reinforces my ethnic identity. I am not interested in that. I am interested in the truth. The truth means looking in the mirror and often times not seeing what you want to see. It is not that I completely disagree with you. What I see is your point of view dissolving in the face of new realities. I see your history revisions convenient to support your point of view. In a nut shell your message is too packaged and shiny in a world of dirt and grime. I hold nothing as sacred and everything must be called into question. This is because we are looking into the abyss and that emptiness is our end game. We can approach that holding on to the past or we can embrace a new reality.
Davy on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 8:01 am
Good luck China becoming a global superpower at the end of the age of globalism. Being a superpower sounds messy when you have an overpopulated country depending on the export of globalism at the end of the age of globalism. That reminds me of the “emperor who has no cloths”.
peakyeast on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 8:33 am
Yeah Davy: I like the post I read here that said that this is the Asian Century…
They will last as long through the century as the quality of their cheap plastic garbage gadgets does…
🙂
Cloggie on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 8:45 am
“Clog, I am white and European. I identify with Europe not American.”
I know, that’s why we must ensure that we don’t end up in opposing alliances after the… um… break.
Davy on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 9:39 am
Peak, exactly, their foundation is built upon sand with a shifting tide. This is true for all of us but I suspect the Asiaphilies are just bargaining for a winner.
Davy on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 9:44 am
Clog, the new world order will be the Atlantic Ocean. I have flown over it 50 times to see the land of my ancestors. It is big and wide. I see that as a good barrier for us to maintain good relations in a collapsed world. You need to be worrying about the Mediterranean sea which in some places is little more than a lake. I would be worried about the Asian Steppe also.
Apneaman on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 9:45 am
I’m a China expert due to all the time I spent in the country and my mastery of the language and culture……. just kidding. I just have an internet connection, but I’m still an expert.
efarmer on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 9:47 am
Population of 3 most populous nations:
1 China 1,367,485,388
2.India 1,251,695,584
3.United States 321,368,864
The US finds itself much like the British Empire did before us, attempting to explain why we are so unique and supposed to be leading the world, the US population is about 12% the size of China and India when their populations are combined.
The demographics make it clear the US will not dominate militarily, the track history shows our financial system to be a crooked hoax, and our human rights and democratic principles offering is a bit hard to accept due to some recent adventures where we attempt to install them involuntarily via military invasions by Presdiential decree and simply explode nations into their separate pieces and leave them simmering in an unpredictable stew of a mess. Time to figure out what we are going to do next and can the “destry Rides Again” cowboy movie meme with Destry being a pompous old ass who rides golf carts instead of a horse.
Apneaman on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 9:51 am
Pathology Incorporated; The Facade Of American Democracy
“Those who are devoid of empathy hide their lack of internal structure in a façade of normalcy. By emulating good human attributes, these unknown members of society prey on the rest. They have found the best way to mask their vice by infiltrating governments and directly altering the definition of the norm. Through control of monetary supply and monopoly over markets, these 1% pathological beings have financially engineered a perversion of humanity through a pyramid Ponzi scheme of Darwinian survival of the most callous and cunning. By turning morality upside down, they not only make their deviance invisible, but actively incentivize these disturbing characters, making all people engage in this race to the bottom.
By seducing masses with the allure of middle class lifestyle and material pursuit of happiness, the beast within humanity unlocked citizens’ unconscious desires and opened the door to unbridled commercial interests. The government that was hijacked by corporate lobbyists established a symbiotic relationship with its own people, making voters become the host, through manufacturing consent. While people are busy chasing the American dream in shopping malls and trying to climb a corporate ladder of success, these parasites latch onto the vulnerable, sucking the blood of innocents in the Middle East and the laboring sweat of disadvantaged populations around the world.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45407.htm
Cloggie on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 9:55 am
“I just have an internet connection, but I’m still an expert.”
And you are here to, in your own words, “enlighten the internet masses”, who are apparently too stupid to operate Google themselves.
Where would we be without you, I am asking?
Cloggie on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 9:57 am
“You need to be worrying about the Mediterranean sea which in some places is little more than a lake. I would be worried about the Asian Steppe also.”
Oh but I do. I have spend the last year in pure rage about what the idiot from Berlin has been doing.
And Paris-Berlin-Moscow has one reason only: containment of China.
Boat on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 11:19 am
clog,
“And Paris-Berlin-Moscow has one reason only: containment of China”
China’s recent power has grown by engaging the world through trade. They would lose financial footing in the form of sanctions if they push outside international cooperation. China needs the world more than the world needs China.
thmak on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 11:31 am
The tribunal ruling is a USA/Philippines setup to smear China. It has no international standing under UN. It violated the UNCLOS provisions so that its rulings are void, null and not binding.
Apneaman on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 12:00 pm
The thing about China is they are not big on public inclusion or dissent. They hate you fur ur freedumb!
House votes to silence public opposition to oil and gas lease sales
http://www.foe.org/news/archives/2016-09-house-votes-to-silence-public-opposition-to-oil-and-gas-lease-sales
.5 on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 1:06 pm
Is China the new Peak Oil?
Apneaman on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 1:12 pm
Russia faces HIV epidemic with 1 million positive cases; Kremlin blames moral lapses
“Last year heterosexual women made up almost half of the country’s record number of almost 100,000 new cases.”
“Of the 850,000 surviving cases of HIV across the country, only about a quarter are receiving treatment.
In the Moscow region alone, 7,000 people have died.
HIV positive, no job and no medical care”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-07/russia-faces-hiv-epidemic/7820640
Western intelligence agencies should be smuggling as much Viagra (female Viagra too) into Russia and hand it out for free. Let the Russians fuck themselves to extinction.
Cloggie on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 1:15 pm
“Is China the new Peak Oil?”
The idea that “peak oil is immanent” is a little bit out of fashion:
https://www.guernicamag.com/daily/michael-klare-the-death-of-peak-oil/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jul/02/peak-oil-we-we-wrong
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2593032/Coal-fuel-UK-centuries-Vast-deposits-totalling-23trillion-tonnes-North-Sea.html
Sorry.
Apneaman on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 1:39 pm
clogged, why don’t you write a paragraph or two in your own words, with logical arguments, explaining it to me instead of throwing up a few outdated links? That daily mail (trashy rag) does not even attribute their article to an author. That usually means it is an industry or think piece PR release. That is not journalism or reporting. It’s covert advertising and it is very common. Now that I’ve taught you what to look for you won’t get fooled again fool eh? Don’t feel too bad clog, the vast majority of the cancer monkeys are unaware of their ongoing indoctrination and brainwashing. No need to thank me.
Some short examples (below) of fake news. Sometimes they are a release from a single large corporation, sometimes industry groups, think tanks and some are government. Many are gentles nudges to get the sheep to increase their consuming. Planting little shopping seeds in their brains. They do it because they can and it works.
George Bush Admits to Fake News: Video News Release
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5J9KBG_i0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2dJxiDkcjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC9Wqgt0hhg
Boat on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 3:06 pm
Cloggie on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 1:15 pm
“Is China the new Peak Oil?”
The idea that “peak oil is immanent” is a little bit out of fashion:”
Do you research the data and come to observations or let those folks from the links make up your mind for you.
Anonymous on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 5:42 pm
A lot of people die here under ‘mysterious circumstance’ here in the free-world order. More than we realize I’m willing to wager. ‘Tragic accidents’, whose details are quickly tossed down the free-press memory hole, are how ‘we’ prefer to deal with troublemakers when all the usual forms of pressure are not deemed sufficient. You know character assassination, loss of employment, fake scandals etc. Does the ‘prez’ order such things? Naw, he does not have to. The zionist deep state takes care of such things when need arises here, no need to trouble the figurehead leaders in various western capitals with such sordid affairs. Western powers murder people at two levels, through its proxy wars, ie war-of-terror(tm), war-on-drugs etc, and through arranging ‘accidents’. But there is seldom, if ever, any individual you can point a finger at when such cases are suspected. Western media however, when it comes to President Putin, have no trouble at all implying he is a cold-blooded, calculating murderer. These charges are mindlessly absored and elevated to level of ‘fact’, w/o question by weak-willed, authoritarian types.
Western propaganda feeds it dupes with lurid tales that imply President Putin spends as least as much time offing(or planning) to off, his opponents, as he does actually ruling the country. Not one of these claims stand up to scrutiny, or meet even the barest minimums of burden of proof. This has not stopped western media shills from heavily implying, that the president personally, and regularly, orders people murdered in his country on a (semi)frequent basis. These claims are no more credible than claims Russian freedom fighters shot down flight 17, or that Russian ‘aggression’ threatens various Eastern European countries with invasion. OR that Russia has ‘invaded’ Ukraine, or Putin personally runs labs that dope olympic athletes etc. In the cases where western press level these charges, the ‘evidence’, usually consists of ‘they(the victim) were opposed to President Putin'(in some capacity). That is often times more than sufficient for western ‘reporters’ to crank up the ‘Putin-is-a-ruthless-assassin'(implied),meme.
IoW, you still go nothing exceptionalist.
onlooker on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 5:51 pm
Confessions of an Economic hitman, First, they woo you or threaten you, then they send in the jackals, assassination, coup, etc. Then if all else fails some false flag and here comes the cavalry. Oh yeah, Western Imperialism has never shown reluctance to off one of its own. Think John Kennedy.
Anonymous on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 6:16 pm
Exactly onlooker, the ‘west would love to see, or create the conditions for Presidents Putin’s (actual) assassination. Of this I have little doubt. But unlike Kennedy, the amero-zionist deep state cant risk trying to arrange such a thing directly. At least not in this case. Arranging terrorist attacks inside Russia through proxies is one thing, trying to directly murder a Russian President could result in washington turned into a radioactive lake\swamp for the next couple thousand years. In China’s case, funding and coaching so-called ‘pro-democracy’ 20-somethings in via the NED in Hong Kong, or less pleasantly, trying to setup USlamic state insurgencies in parts of China, is about as direct as they can risk.
Kennedys ‘mistake’, it now appears, was to threaten to use the power of the actual state, to reign in, at least parts(the CIA part) of the hidden deep state. As China and Russia are outside this power structure, they cant be attacked directly. But that does not stop the uS from continually trying to back weak willed, neo-liberal types for leadership positions in those nations. A threat both countries need to be constantly vigilant against.
The uS will however, arrange, or lend support to the murder of 2nd and 3rd tier national leaders with little hesitation. Modern Russia for its part, does not murder either foreign leaders, or opposition as policy. Unlike a certain amerikan hegemon…..
makati1 on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 6:26 pm
Ap, maybe you didn’t know:
“More than 1.2 million people in the US are living with HIV, and 1 in 8 of them don’t know it.”
https://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/hiv-aids-101/statistics/index.html
You quoted from a very biased source, ABC.
I would say that there is an equal or better chance of AIDs deaths increasing in the US. AIDs is all over the world these days but the new one is even worse, Zika. It kills the newborn. End of generations in one small bite from a very prolific and wide spread insect.
Cloggie on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 6:31 pm
Indeed. Today the German language propaganda organ of the State Department, der Spiegel posted an article reporting on Chodorkovski:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/putin-gegner-chodorkowski-will-putins-sturz-beschleunigen-a-1111117.html
Chodorkovski openly admits that he is working on the downfall of Putin, no doubt backed by his kosher palls in Washington and promoted by der Spiegel.
Three days ago Putin’s car crashed in the middle of Moscow, driver dead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i11WRugJr-s
It is probably not a direct assassination attempt because the whole world knew that Putin was in Beijing.
Unless of course the attempt was carried out by Ukrainian secret service dummies.lol
More likely it was an intimidation attempt directed at Putin, like: “this is what we can do to you”.
“But unlike Kennedy, the amero-zionist deep state cant risk trying to arrange such a thing directly.”
I think that US deep state is nearly finished. The US is ethnically split in the middle, with everybody hating Washington. I don’t think that the US government is able to mobilize its population for a major war against Russia-China. The most likely response to a mobilization attempt will be secession. That would be less risky.
Cloggie on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 6:32 pm
Refered to Anonymous.
makati1 on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 7:28 pm
Cloggie, I suspect that the American people would not even be notified of a war with Russia. The missiles would fly and it would be over before the news could spread the word. The US still favors a first nuclear strike when appropriate. Any other “war” with Russia will not happen as the US would lose. Not that an exchange of nukes is going to make anyone the “winner” either, but then, insanity rules inside the beltway.
Apneaman on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 8:33 pm
mak, no I did not known that US HIV number. It puts the Russian infected in perspective since they only have a population of 144 million with over a million cases vs merica at a population of 320 million (higher with all the illegals) and 1.2 million cases. So the Russians have over twice the infection rate. mericas would be higher, but for the fact that such a large segment are now to fat to fuck or can’t get it up. Sexual dysfunction is a common side effect of all those anti/depressants/anxiety/psychotics. Abusing drugs and alcohol long term will do it too and that keeps getting worse. Mind you the Russians are notorious drunks and are into the drugs big time too now. Hey mak did you know that it is now a law that if you are disgusted enough with the empire and the rest of the west Putin worship is mandatory? I mean it’s mandatory for those possessing a child like manichaean mind. The idea that there are no good guys out there is to much for their fragile psyches. It’s the same thing with the US election. Hillary is so repulsive and posses such a horrendous record of corruption and deceit that Trump HAS TO BE the good guy by default. Again, the thought that there is no one who will rescue their sorry lives is too much to bear. This is why they need to turn Putin and Trump into Super Daddys who make make all their boo boo’s go away. Yabut Putin’s a hero because he improved the economic live of the people and cleaned up the corruption. No, he coopted it and rubbed out the ones who were a threat to him and cut deals – did what had to be done to stabilize. Russia was at rock bottom so they could either stay there or move up – no where else to go. Since they have all that oil and other resources it’s not exactly magic. Could it have been worse? Yep and Putin certainly deserves some credit, but he ain’t no hero or saint. What I am impressed with is the Russians ability to stave off the relentless attacks of the west. That Sergey Lavrov is one formidable diplomat and the west don’t have anyone even close. On a dollar for dollar basis the Russian are hands down the best in the propaganda department – they really get their monies worth. They have too. They can’t match the propaganda budget of the empire and all it’s allies/clients. The Russians at the top are self serving like the rest of them and if they want to keep their privilege they obviously have to keep the west at bay and in that regard they are doing fine so far, but they don’t give a shit about all the little disgruntled western Putin fans anymore than their own overlords do. They are useful idiots as far as the Russian are concerned. One thing the Russians and the west have in common is they have abandoned most of their youth as well. It’s a neoliberal corporate world with winners and losers and the loser group gets bigger and poorer by the day. Putin ain’t no hero. I know this because the only heroes in this world exist in the minds of children or desprate adults with the mind of a child.
http://www.vice.com/video/siberia-krokodil-tears-full-length
Boat on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 9:08 pm
clog,
“I think that US deep state is nearly finished. The US is ethnically split in the middle, with everybody hating Washington. I don’t think that the US government is able to mobilize its population for a major war against Russia-China. The most likely response to a mobilization attempt will be secession. That would be less risky.”
Care to put a date on your fantasy?
makati1 on Wed, 7th Sep 2016 9:49 pm
Ap, you are correct. We little people/serfs are just numbers to the powers that be. Whether cannon fodder or eaters is all that they care about. If wars were only fought by the actual leaders and not armies, there would never have been any.
As for HIV percentages and how that will affect populations, it is unimportant. Heart disease and cancers kill the most people in both countries by a wide margin.
But, when the SHTF, and the drugs keeping American’s alive are not available, the mortality rate is going to skyrocket, I think. Maybe 1/3 of the US population will die in the first year from lack of drugs/treatment.
We live in s very complicated world that is fast coming to an end. Interesting to observe.
Cloggie on Thu, 8th Sep 2016 2:55 am
Yesterday Tump repeated his desire for a detente with Russia:
https://youtu.be/ul4zREqSTkg
Why Trump needs to win:
– exclude the possibility of armed confrontation within the Great White Christian world, just because the Soros-Sanhedrin would want that. Russia destroyed the political influence of the local Sanhedrin by kicking Chodorkovsky and the oligarchs out, America needs to send Soros and the other oligarchs packing. We need democracy, not an oligarchy.
– build walls everywhere to stop further decay of the white world.
– Europe needs indeed to share the burden with America and finally set up a military of its own: to help Russia balance China, to keep the third world out and if necessary intervene in North-America if things go wrong there.
Where Trump has to catch up is energy policy. He wants “American energy dominance”, what probably means that the US should become a fossil fuel exporter. Furthermore he is “strongly in favor of nuclear energy”.
http://www.thedickinsonpress.com/news/north-dakota/4041606-trump-ready-unleash-oil-industry
Trump is not against renewable energy but it should not exclude other forms of energy that “work much better”.
Cloggie on Thu, 8th Sep 2016 4:26 am
The new role of Britain in the eyes of the Chinese after “Brexit” (if any):
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/772949698051239936
Britain sinking away in the waves.
Davy on Thu, 8th Sep 2016 8:03 am
A great interview by Putin who will surely be rank near the top of leaders of the 21st century…if we have a history to reflect on someday.
“Vladimir Putin Just Wants to Be Friends”
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-vladimir-putin-interview/
Cloggie on Thu, 8th Sep 2016 9:00 am
Thanks for the link, Davy. Interesting indeed. The Bloomberg reporter tries to provoke “dictator” Putin in making EU-critical remarks, but Putin doesn’t bite:
“Come on—many, many times you’ve criticized Europe.
I’ve been critical, but I’ll repeat: We hold 40 percent of our reserves in euros, and it’s not in our interest for the euro zone to collapse… In my opinion, the European Commission and the leading economies of Europe are acting pragmatically and are on the right track.”
Putin has a European long-term strategy and the only reason why he is currently in the arms of China is because of the Nuland-bunch. Washington to a certain extent managed to drive a wedge between the EU and Russia over Ukraine, using the “good services” of Angela Mürkül…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgFbzSGXEAAvZbb.jpg:large
…but both the EU and Russia are clearly interested in damage limitation, anticipating better times ahead.
makati1 on Thu, 8th Sep 2016 7:13 pm
Cloggie, as I see it, the EU and Euro will both soon be history. The first dominoes have already fallen. The flood if refugees from Western meddling in the ME is going to push it over the edge as millions more keep flooding into Europe. Add in the ongoing flood of printed Euros into the system to the tune of $80B+ per month, huge debts all around and the reliance on Russia and the ‘colonies’ for energy and food.
The EU was an idea that was destined to fail right from the beginning, like the NWO. The European tribes never got over their ancient hates and distrust and will never truly unite, just as the world will be kept multi-polar by the growing hate for America. So be it.
Cloggie on Thu, 8th Sep 2016 7:40 pm
“Cloggie, as I see it, the EU and Euro will both soon be history.”
You discern a collapse in every direction you look.lol
Perhaps, time will tell. But somehow Europe had a steady impulse towards ever more unity since ECSC-1951 and the Treaty of Rome 1957 (EEC) and finally EU (1993).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Community
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Rome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union
Why would Europe abandon the euro and trade again in dollar? Deutsch-Mark? Rembimbi? Don’t think so.
“The first dominoes have already fallen.”
Which dominoes? Britain? London is extremely reluctant to make the necessary first move. Furthermore, Britain is not Europe, but Anglosphere. They never belonged in Europe anyway. For 500 years they exercised a Balance of Power policy, always directed at the defeat of the strongest party in continental Europe, by organizing a coalition against it. Once European unity was a fact this policy no longer was possible and all that remained was “if you can’t beat them, join them”. But the only reason they joined was to attempt to blow the EU up from within. Brexit was an “accident” which the UK elite as well as the US didn’t like. Expect them to try to sabotage the referendum.
“The flood if refugees from Western meddling in the ME is going to push it over the edge as millions more keep flooding into Europe.”
The images we saw last year, can’t be made anymore. Several Balkan countries have built effective fences and no rat is allowed to pass them. People from Africa do arrive in Italy, but the old Italian policy of sending them to the north no longer works. Furthermore there is a fairly effective deal with Turkey to keep new migrants out. Not many new migrants arrive in Germany anymore. What I do see happening is the downfall of US satrap #1 in Europe, Angela Merkel because of the avelange. Merkel is now so hated by her own population that it is difficult to see her reelected next year, certainly not if Trump would win.
2017 has crucial elections in the US, France and Germany. And they all could mean a real breach with the past and a return to nationalism instead of more globalism.
2017 could become the Year of the Walls.
makati1 on Thu, 8th Sep 2016 7:56 pm
Cloggie, I see collapse because it is already happening. It is obvious to those who can see without prejudice from the outside. Germany is collapsing. Italy, Greece, France, etc. The UK was only the first obvious domino and it will not be the last.
The entire West and it’s wannabees, are disintegrating financially and morally. It will only be a matter of time until it is obvious to even the deepest denialist. But, it is fun to watch from my vantage point.
Anonymous on Thu, 8th Sep 2016 8:11 pm
Yea, the uS’s allies inside britain are going to keep trying to arrange ‘new’ referendums until they get the result they(the 1%er gang)want. The unstated pretext for these bizarre requests for new referendums is, ‘those people’ clearly are either imbeciles, morons, racists or some combo for voting to leave. This of mode of operation typifies the amero attitude towards popular votes. The uS is all for ‘democracy’ when outcomes are predetermined, aka rigged. But, when people chose either leaders or vote for changes the uS and (puppets) disapprove of, ‘democracy’, as defined an expression of popular will at the ballot box, then, their respect for popular voting goes right out the window.
Even more funny, like cloggie says, uS approval of the UK being in the EU only really took root, once they realized the uS could do far MORE damage to subvert the EU with its #1 satrap on the inside, rather than out.
Davy on Thu, 8th Sep 2016 9:22 pm
“40% Of GDP Per Year: Goldman Calculates The True Growth Rate Of China’s Debt”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-08/goldman-calculates-true-growth-rate-chinas-debt
“China had created over $20 trillion in new loans, vastly more than all the “developed market” QE, the proceeds of which were used to kickstart growth after the 2009 global depression, to fund the biggest capital misallocation bubble the world has ever seen and create trillions in nonperforming loans.”
“a substantial amount of money was created last year, evidencing a very large supply of credit, to the tune of RMB 25tn (36% of 2015 GDP).” This massive number was 9% higher than the TSF data, which implied that “only” a quarter of China’s 2015 GDP was the result of new loans”
“In short, in addition to everything else, China has also been fabricating its loan creation data, and the broadest official monetary aggregate was undercutting the true new loan creation by approximately a third. The reason for this is simple: China does not want the world – or its own population – to realize just how reliant it is on creating loans out of thin air (and “collateralized” by increasingly more worthless assets), as it would lead to an even faster capital outflow by the local population sensing just how unstable the local banking system is.”
“Translating Goldman, some time around 2019, China’s total Debt/GDP will be over 400%, an absolutely ridiculous number, and one which assured a banking, if not global, financial crisis. The only saving grace is that for the time being, the PBOC and Beijing have managed to sweep away China’s unfixable problems under the rug, with a series of amazing distractions and the effectively nationalization of the stock, bond and FX markets. Alas, this is also the basis for “recovery” in all other developed nations, which means that as of this moment, it is a race between the world’s central banks not who can devalue the fastest, but who can avoid losoing credibility first, and watch as these Keynesian mountains of debt, never before seen in the history of manking, come crashing down as JM Keynes “long run” finally catches up with everyone.”
joe on Thu, 8th Sep 2016 11:14 pm
I think the cats out of the bag now. The EU is in trouble because the UK vastly supports it financially. Germany benefits because the Euro is weak compared to the German economic strength. Indeed the Euro might survive, but only at the expense of the peripheral European states who are being pressured by soviet style anti-competitive laws. So called fiscal union is really the death of liberalism and realisation of the dream of 150 years of Prussian ambition. Blood and Iron will replace freedom.
The UK understood what a cancer Europe is and didnt join the currency bloc, kept its bank free, but did not upset the balance either for the sake of peace.
But now with insane leaders like Merkel whos medieval policy of dividing communities by importing foreign blood to keep eveyone weak politically will turn the EU into another India, not even another USSR, a country she loved until it all collapsed around her.
With its focus on inefficient bureaucracy and pointless notes of detail the EU betrays its German heritage, even the French are politically second because they know there will be civil war in France between muslims and whatever it is the rest of France is (mixed bag of sick perverts and lazy ner-do-wells), but one day even the giant socialist French corporates will succumb to EU competition laws which are used to transfer all power to German industry.
Any fool can see it, pity some here cant, or wont.