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Can American Values Survive in a Chinese World?
The People’s Republic of China bounds from strength to strength. Every year sees increases in its wealth and power relative to the world. But what do its leaders hope to achieve with their newfound clout?
China’s Vision of Victory, Jonathan D.T. Ward, Atlas Publishing, 316 pp., $25, March 2019
This is the topic of Jonathan D.T. Ward’s China’s Vision of Victory. Ward is ideally placed to write such a book, boasting a doctorate from Oxford University in Chinese politics, a résumé that has led him across the Asian continent, and a political consultancy that he operates from Washington. His answer to the question “What does China want?” is simple: The Chinese want supremacy.
China’s Vision of Victory is a useful antidote to the popular delusion that Chinese leaders seek nothing more than to roll back U.S. hegemony in the Western Pacific—or that they will be sated by becoming the dominant East Asian power. Despite presenting modest and peaceful ambitions to foreigners, the Chinese Communist Party leadership transparently communicates its desire for primacy to internal audiences. By guiding readers through a barrage of official documents, excerpted liberally throughout the book, Ward shows just how wide-ranging these ambitions are.
To start with, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) already defines its maritime forces as a “two-ocean navy.” Chinese energy demands have led the PLA to extend its reach to Pakistan, Africa, and the disputed waters of the South China Sea. White papers spell out Chinese ambitions to be the primary strategic presence not just on the East Asian periphery but in Africa, the Indian Ocean, and the Southern Pacific. China’s leadership claims that it has core economic interests as far abroad as Europe, Latin America, the Arctic, and outer space. With these economic interests come road maps for securing Chinese relationships or presence in each region.
By 2050, the Chinese aim to have a military “second to none,” to become the global center for technology innovation, and to serve as the economic anchor of a truly global trade and infrastructure regime—an economic bloc that would be unprecedented in human history. In their speeches and documents, Chinese leaders call this vision of a China-centered future—a future where a U.S.-led system has been broken apart and discarded—a “community of common destiny for mankind.” That ambition debunks the myth of a multipolar future: China seeks dominance, not just a share of the pie.
Ward traces the Chinese desire to shape the future of all mankind (not just the East Asian part of it) to a national myth taught to schoolchildren across China. According to this narrative, China was once the center of the world; China was the mother of invention, the seat of global wealth, and the beacon of civilization. This is China’s natural role in the world order—a role disrupted by the “century of humiliation” between the Opium Wars and World War II, when China suffered at the hands of foreign powers. But now that age of suffering is over. China’s destiny, according to its leaders, is to reclaim its natural perch as the leading force of human civilization.
This is a familiar narrative to China specialists and one well-suited to a Communist clique that wishes to leverage nationalism to maintain its hold on power. However, Ward repeatedly stresses the popularity of this “national rejuvenation” ideal outside of party circles. “[T]he Chinese public has come to embrace this sense of destiny,” he writes. “But this vision is not the Communist Party’s alone. It is the vision at the heart of China’s restoration—a cause to which numerous Chinese citizens and patriots have devoted their lives—and of which the Communist Party is only one expression.”
But problems with the book emerge. Ward’s conviction that the Communist Party is not the driving force behind China’s foreign-policy priorities leads him to sources that weaken his argument.
Ward’s conviction that the Communist Party is not the driving force behind China’s foreign-policy priorities leads him to sources that weaken his argument.
Ward peppers the book with conversations he has had with Shanghai street sellers and Qinghai truck drivers. He supplements these anecdotes with translations from Chinese books and think tank reports that support his broader characterization of the Chinese people.
But China is vast. Look hard enough, and you will eventually find a Chinese person willing to say anything you need him or her to. Ward has no way to prove he has not cherry-picked. A similar problem plagues a section of the book devoted to China’s premodern “tributary system,” in which subordinate states like Korea made regular payments in return for protection, with the questionable assumption that Ming and Qing diplomacy gives us a clear idea of Chinese intentions. Ward relies on a model of the tributary system first developed in the 1940s. This model has been rejected almost entirely by historians who study the issue today. And while Ward is welcome to argue that the current historical consensus is wrong, the critical issue is not what Western historians believe about premodern Chinese statecraft but what the minds in Zhongnanhai, where the Communist Party leadership resides, believe about the country’s past and its relevance to China’s future. On this, Ward has nothing to report.
Here, as elsewhere, the further Ward travels away from the official statements, white papers, laws, and pronouncements of the Communist Party, the more he opens himself up to easy attacks by critics unprepared to face the reality these official documents lay out.
There is, however, a more serious problem in viewing the challenge posed by China’s growing power in purely national terms. The implicit question posed throughout Ward’s book is whether the United States should acquiesce to China’s vision of victory. Can Americans live in a world where the Chinese possess the largest economy, greatest industrial base, most powerful military, and the leading centers of technological and scientific innovation?
Can Americans live in a world where the Chinese possess the largest economy, greatest industrial base, most powerful military, and the leading centers of technological and scientific innovation?
Technically, yes. The United States is a nuclear-armed state with no near enemies. It is flanked by two vast oceans and directly controls the approaches to the North American continent. It is endowed with an enormous population with net positive migration. In times of crisis, the United States can rely entirely on internal resources to keep its population fed, clothed, and warm. No other nation has been dealt such an enviable hand. Even a China that militarily or economically dominates Eurasia, Africa, and Latin America would not pose a credible geopolitical threat to the U.S. homeland. For many Americans, quietly ceding victory to the Chinese would be an acceptable cost for averting decades of nuclear brinkmanship.
But this logic has its own problems. It dodges a deciding source of tension in the Sino-American relationship. Communist Party leaders believe they are locked in what Chinese President Xi Jinping has called “fierce competition … in the ideological sphere” with the West. They assert that this ideological competition threatens the existence of their party and imperils the road to national rejuvenation. They describe historians, researchers, dissidents, and Chinese-language media outlets in countries like Australia, Germany, and the United States as dangers equal to anything U.S. Indo-Pacific Command can throw at them. This is the root motivation behind what are now being called “interference” and “influence” operations in Western countries.
This is a blind spot in Ward’s analysis. The term “United Front” (the party’s favored moniker for institutions that co-opt or turn people to serve the party’s objectives) does not appear in China’s Vision of Victory. “Influence operations” shows up just twice, with the gloss that these operations are “meant to distort a country’s discourse on China and to constrain action against Beijing.” Framing these operations purely in geopolitical terms misstates the challenge they pose. These operations are not just about shaping the opinions of foreign-policy elites but about controlling and coercing enemies of the Communist regime who live outside China’s borders.
These operations are not just about shaping the opinions of foreign-policy elites but about controlling and coercing enemies of the Communist regime who live outside China’s borders.
They are part of the same effort that has led to ever tightening censorship; sweeping crackdowns on Chinese law firms, media outlets, and religious organizations; and sent a million-plus Uighurs to detention centers inside China.
So-called influence operations are aimed at the enemies China’s leaders fear most: the ones who pose an ideological, not a geopolitical, threat to the Communist Party. These are the hostile forces that threaten the stability of the Communist regime, and many of them—from Christians and Uighurs fleeing religious persecution to Taiwanese, Hong Kongers, and others of Chinese descent who dare imagine different futures for their people—live in America. As long as these groups can safely assemble and freely speak within the United States, America will be seen as a threat to the Chinese party-state. Similar fears have already led Beijing to demand ideological fealty from its foreign debtors. China’s leaders do not ask clients to change their system of government but to squelch criticism of Chinese communism inside their borders. Thus, the leaders of Muslim-majority countries pretend that their faith is not being crushed in Xinjiang, and the Thai government turns a blind eye to Chinese security kidnapping dissidents inside its borders. The Chinese leadership does not compel the same behavior from the United States only because it lacks the power to do so.
Accommodating the geopolitical ambitions of the Chinese people is comparatively easy. Easing the ideological insecurities of the Communist elite would demand far more drastic changes to U.S. politics and society.
Ward asks readers if they are willing to live in a world where China is the supreme economic and military power. It is a fine query, but the hardest question may be whether we are willing to live in a world where dominant economic and military power is wielded by an insecure regime whose leaders believe that the same authoritarian techniques used to control enemies within their society must be used to surveil, coerce, and corrupt those enemies outside it. American values might not survive a world where the possessors of such power view U.S. institutions and civil society as a destabilizing threat. China’s Vision of Victory asks readers to consider the ambitions of the Chinese elite. To craft sound policy, however, we would be wise to pay just as much attention to their fears.
107 Comments on "Can American Values Survive in a Chinese World?"
Davy on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 4:33 pm
“Trump Could Be Impeached Based On A Parade Of “Whistleblowers” That Won’t Even Testify In Person”
https://tinyurl.com/y66ccc4h end of the American dream
“This “impeachment inquiry” is becoming more shady with each passing day. Nancy Pelosi won’t even take a vote in the House to officially approve this “impeachment inquiry” because she is convinced that such a vote is not needed. But as White House Counsel Pat Cipollone has aptly noted, the lack of a vote “violates fundamental fairness and constitutionally mandated due process”. And now we are learning that the original whistleblower is asking if he can “submit testimony in writing instead of appearing in person”, which would likely mean that we may never found out the identify of this individual. So we could potentially be facing a scenario in which the House of Representatives actually impeaches the president of the United States based on “testimony” from an anonymous source that they never actually get to see face to face. The U.S. Constitution sets a very high standard for impeaching a president, and it is absolutely absurd that this process is moving forward based on information from someone that does not want to face any sort of public scrutiny and that did not even have firsthand knowledge of Trump’s conversation with the president of Ukraine in the first place. And guess what? Now that the original “whistleblower” has gotten so much favorable attention, it has encouraged other “potential whistleblowers” to start coming forward… Congressional investigators are currently vetting the new accounts they’ve received for credibility. Accordingly, knowledgeable sources would not discuss where in the government these new would-be whistleblowers come from, nor what they purport to have to say. Needless to say, the term “”congressional investigators” could easily be replaced by “Democratic political hacks”, and anyone that has anything that could even remotely be damaging to Trump will be considered to be “credible”… But what everyone seems to be forgetting is that in order for the president of the United States to be impeached and removed from office, he must have committed a crime, and that is simply not true in this case. You can’t impeach a president just because you don’t like him or her. Unfortunately, at this point our government has totally gone off the rails. The Democrats and many Republicans seem to have no problem with repeatedly trampling on the Constitution, and this is something that I have repeatedly warned about. The Democrats, the mainstream media and “never Trump Republicans” are setting this nation up for a major political disaster. If President Trump is illegally impeached and illegally removed from office, there is going to be an uproar on the right like we have never seen before. But if President Trump is illegally impeached by the House and then protected by the Republicans in the Senate, that could cause a tremendous amount of unrest on the left. Either way, this country is going to be deeply, deeply divided by this illegal process, and at this point it is very difficult to see how this story is going to have a positive ending.”
Cloggie on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 4:41 pm
A few months ago I watched a talk show on Dutch television, addressing the same issue as in the article: “do we have to be afraid of the rise of China?” Several Dutch-Chinese were invited, all smart, all open, all very well “integrated” in Dutch society. You could easily discern a Chinese from Amsterdam and one from Rotterdam, from the accent.
Most striking similarity they all had: they were all convinced that China was going to be the next #1.
Massively so.
They were polite, they were keen not to invoke fear in the Dutch host, I don’t think they have hostile intent, or are pursuing some social Armageddon, with every non-Chinese in the Gulag… but the world is going to be dominated by China. Period. End of story.
In contrast to the Muslims, let alone Africans (even 4 billion), the Chinese DO have the potential and need to be taken serious.
There is only one force that can block the Chinese and prevent a Chinese-owned planet and that is a combination, you guessed it, of all Europeans world-wide: Europeans, Russians and European-Americans.
http://tinyurl.com/y8ydx6a9
Or in the words of DJT: “wouldn’t it be nice to get along with Russia?”
Or in the picture promoted during one of Vlad’s yearly Q&A-sessions:
https://tinyurl.com/yxv3mxgh
(US+EU+Russia)
This of course is outside the intellectual realm of kosher-edited Foreign Policy, run by a Jonathan Tepperman. If the Tepperman’s of this world can’t own the world, than at least they want to remain in control over America and preferably over the West as well, which rules out the inclusion of Russia, that just got rid of the Tepperman’s of this world and has no intention of teaming up with the West, as long as the Soros bunch hasn’t been removed from power.
So we have to wait for the inevitable: China openly challenging the US in East-Asia. China is guaranteed to win that confrontation, because, you see, as the Chinese openly gloat: the US can’t take casualties.
It is going to happen: the tensions in US society, that is the stand-off between the Reps (representatives white America) and Dems (representatives of the globalists, race-mixer, multicultists and owned by jews), will lead to an explosion and separation. From the smoldering North-American rubble a new white ethno-state will be formed and team up with Greater-Europe, that will be hastily formed to counter the new Chinese behemoth.
Davy on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 5:35 pm
“So we have to wait for the inevitable: China openly challenging the US in East-Asia. China is guaranteed to win that confrontation, because, you see, as the Chinese openly gloat: the US can’t take casualties.”
When is the last time the Chinese have taken casualties? Who in the developed world these days has and is taking casualties? The US more than any other. Good or bad the US has had over a million troops fight in the last decades with many more deaths than any other developed nation. The US has the experience and training from actual fighting cloggo not China. Sorry. So, stick your China is number one up your white racist Eurotard agenda ass.
makati1 on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 5:40 pm
What “Amerikan values”?
Greed?
Ignorance?
Narrow-mindedness?
Sloth?
Drugs?
College
Snowflakes?
DEBT?
I’m sure the Chinese have better values…
makati1 on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 5:44 pm
Davy, there you go waving that bloody, baby killing, plundering, criminal, police state Amerika, flag! The world cannot wait until the US bully goes down and then they will kick it senseless. Be patient. The US is committing suicide one stupid tweet at a time. I’m enjoying the show. Pass the popcorn. LOL
Davy on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 5:49 pm
OH shut up dumbass and talk facts not your emotional drivel. You really are senile these days makato. You don’t contribute anything of value just redundant and senseless agenda points.
makati1 on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 6:16 pm
Davy, I AM talking facts. Prove me wrong on any one of those items. The US/YOU are guilty on ALL counts.
I “contribute” reality, not goatshit. I ref real articles, not cut and paste word salads no one reads. I relate the real world, not the delusional, brainwashed one you live in once called: “The American Dream” that is becoming the American nightmare.
Don’t you see the circus freak show that has all of the world laughing at, called: “the US elections”. What a bunch of psychotic clowns! Not to mention a prez that is singlehandedly taking Amerika down. Amerika is getting just what it asked for with its killing and theft all over the world for decades. Well deserved.
Cloggie on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 6:19 pm
“The US has the experience and training from actual fighting cloggo not China. Sorry.”
And always got your ass kicked.
Very few active serving Americans have serious combat experience. From what? Falujah? Give me a break.
Real combat experience is in Russia, Yugoslavia, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. But all over the world there is relatively little combat experience. That could very well change soon, now that the US empire is on the verge of implosion, like the USSR-1991.
“your white racist Eurotard agenda ass.”
And you are not racist and hence you are going to lose your country, that incoherent Babylon. Deservedly so. Virtue signalers like you, who think they can take a break from the Darwinian character of life, belong on the trash-heap of history.
Good luck “integrating” with your “buddy” anonymous. ROFL
Davy on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 6:27 pm
“Davy, I AM talking facts. Prove me wrong on any one of those items. The US/YOU are guilty on ALL counts“
It don’t see anything but ranting:
“Davy, there you go waving that bloody, baby killing, plundering, criminal, police state Amerika, flag! The world cannot wait until the US bully goes down and then they will kick it senseless. Be patient. The US is committing suicide one stupid tweet at a time. I’m enjoying the show. Pass the popcorn. LOL”
That’s a rant dumbshit
Davy on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 6:33 pm
“And always got your ass kicked.”
Even in Vietnam most all battalion sized engagements were won. The same is true in all the wars the US has been in since. The loses were political but
You are too blinded by hate and resentment to see facts and reality. You and makato have zero military understanding but you are always acting like the armchairs experts. What a joke!
makati1 on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 6:36 pm
“It don’t see anything but ranting:”
“It don’t see…”? Besides being poor English, my reply was not a rant. It was/is a fact. A description of yourself and your blood soaked country. You cannot face the truth, either about yourself or that swamp you call home.
Too bad. Reality is going to hit you, and it, squarely in the face sometime soon and drop you/it to its knees. Well deserved.
Davy on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 6:51 pm
No makato, you are ranting without a reference. You cherry picked facts than warp reality with crude constructions of your feeble mind. Thankfully you are fading away as very old people do when their faculties give out.
Cloggie on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 6:57 pm
Boeing in serious trouble, on all fronts:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/boeings-problems-reach-beyond-the-737-max.html#more
“Boeing’s New Problems Reach Beyond The 737 MAX”
Real reason: American society running out of steam because of changing demographics, read: becoming a third world country.
makati1 on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 7:16 pm
Davy, it is a sunny 84 degree Sunday morning here and I am going out for a walk. I know you are nothing but an arrogant,stubborn asshole and will never admit you live in a 3rd world shithole in the making. So be it. Later!
makati1 on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 7:19 pm
Cloggie, you see the same Amerika I, and most of the world, do. A dying, decaying, corrupt 3td world country in the making. A banana republic going deeper into the psychotic rabbit hole of delusion. I only hope there is enough sanity to prevent a nuclear war. We shall see.
makati1 on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 7:22 pm
BTW Davy. You claim I cherry pick my facts. I challenge you to find just ONE fact that is a positive about the US today. Just one, with reliable references.
supremacist muzzies jerk on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 7:33 pm
Cloggie on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 4:41 pm
hello suppertard. thank you for your analyses and ideas not mentioning the wealth of links.
I have no idea worthy to mention and my links are spartan. I only have one link I offer to all supertard as peace gesture. I hope you enjoy it and it’s a pleasant reading. I don’t want to cause any stress.
https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2019/10/03/study-chinese-cargo-ships-dump-73-trash-atlantic-ocean/
Before you say I’m anti china, it can’t not be further from the truth. I love xie and I love china. I’m like the cat lady in eharmony except you replace cat with china. The reason being they round up muzzies for feeding into the muzzie anti rape machine, muzzie amputation machine, and muzzie hamster machine. it shows when the state gets together it’s quick, simple, and easy to take care of muzzies infestation and the hamster machine will generate green electricty that Greta would be proud to drive in, or someone drives ms daisy (Greta).
I think you’re a bit agenda driven supertard. you just trust some chinese on TV. As for me, I’m like Kirk vs Klingons: “I never trust the Klingons, I never will” and almost got in a slammer for it. You can deduce my feeling about china but it takes me too long to expand.
I love china but I can’t trust because i have trust issues. If they use the anti muzzies technique on us then we’re doomed.
Why can’t china be happy with having my love by not my trust? you give people an inch and they want a mile. Which is perplexing how you trust them.
But anyways, shout out to supertards davy, makati1, and juanp, and last but not least supertard SIS (special intention regarding star trek reference)
supremacist muzzies jerk on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 7:41 pm
Cloggie on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 6:57 pm
I don’t know how our supertards made such a strategic error regarding true and tried physical properties and laws that govern dynamic traversal in air. MY reading is the design of 737 violated flairing principle or constnat flux of air from fron to back. Then attemted to correct with sensors and software.
and we have paper supertards who wanted to retired thd most effective anti muzzie machine, the A10 – not for proposing the muzzie anti rape, muzzie amputation, muzzie hamster machine, but F35 for close ground support.
the company culture is libtard based – in that it’s using the grub to solve problems via lobbysts. and they extended trust to hundreds of multinationls in order to cut cost. you can’t trust muzzies or china! it’s pure luck that they got the 787 off the ground but in retrospect that should’d been a failure so they go back and reconsider.
supremacist muzzies jerk on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 8:18 pm
hello supertard makati1
this is what i found on phils. just because there are nobody looking at it, doesn’t mean there aren’t problem. trash like this indicating 3rd world condition, yes, no?
i’m sure you disagree but you’re supertard i’m not going to argue.
supremacist muzzies jerk on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 8:19 pm
oope si forgot the link
i’m sorry supertard so sorry
https://ecowarriorprincess.net/2019/02/philippines-major-problem-plastic-pollution-heres-what-theyre-doing-about-it/
Davy on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 8:34 pm
“never admit you live in a 3rd world shithole in the making. “.
Lol, makato. I have but you can’t stand hearing the good that is here too. You are a disgusting unhappy person or you would not be so obsessed with hate and resentment. It has has consumed you and now you have descended into a hell of unhappiness you try to hide by the incessant attacks on a land and people you turned your back on. I think you have spend your self righteous life turning your back on situation after situation in failure. Now you are growing old and alone. Sad
supremacist muzzies jerk on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 8:34 pm
dear supertards plase enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs7InkOfoXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4
Davy on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 8:52 pm
And that folks, is my deluded rant for the evening.
Night y’all. Sleep tite.
Anonymouse on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 8:58 pm
Prick-face says
“Now you are growing old and alone. Sad”
Translation:
Mak has neutered my dumbass again, and he didn’t even have to try very hard to do it. I cannot deal with being neutered by my betters, so, I bray and kick like a neutered Missouri mule since that is really all I am good for around here.
supremacist muzzies jerk on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 9:11 pm
Anonymouse on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 8:58 pm
anontard, be less inferior complex
be respectful of supertard
supremacist muzzies jerk on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 9:19 pm
muzzie from same mosque that harry visisted said harry is enemy combatant. meghan is a big muzzie lover, i guess they visited mosque so they’re both muzzies lover
https://www.memri.org/tv/south-african-activist-cassiem-khan-prince-harry-meghan-enemy-combatant
there were always threats against royals who are muzzies lovers but what happen when muzzie succeeded? will muzzies anti rape machine, muzzies amputation machine, muzzies hamster machine be deployed? only possible in brexit scenario
Duncan Idaho on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 9:22 pm
Half of the American people have never read a newspaper.
Half never voted for President.
One hopes it is the same half.
— Gore Vidal
supremacist muzzies jerk on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 9:25 pm
muzzies raped 1000 girls uk and asked to recite quran.
muzzies anti rape machine is like a pod with a hole to pee through, it’s very tight so can’t bend down to use hand for interfer with normal operation of muzzies anti rape machine.
muzzie has to stick out rape organ far enough to defect urine from pod. pod is sealed on bottom. if not deflected urine flows backward into pod and create a permanent wet situation. muzzie must remains in muzzie anti rape pod for 7 days . when urine is deflected …sharp blades randomly come down to do work.
door opens automatically when muzzie rape organ is cut off, if not, door open to another muzzie anti rape pod, if opened normally, door open to muzzie amputation machine.
france uk and phils can’t build these because they don’t believe in causality. beleiving in it is taking allah away from the event loop and worth is blasphemy death by beheading. but supertard roosevent assumed causality when he built muzzies anti rape machine
makati1 on Sat, 12th Oct 2019 9:39 pm
Anon, it is pathetic to watch a certain Missouri mule keep proving his insanity.
He quickly avoids my challenge by his usual immature putdowns that never work. He has no defense other than that. He doesn’t like mt to make him look in the mirror and see his pathetic, hypocritical self.
Oh well. His loss. I bought a kilo of live, large shrimp at the wet market this morning during my walk. I’m going to steam them with some Old Bay seasoning this evening. P300/kilo or about $3/lb. I wonder if he knows that most shrimp sold in the US comes from Thailand? “Ninety percent of the shrimp we (US) eat is imported, and almost all of that comes from farms in Southeast Asia and Central America.”
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Where+does+shrimp+sold+in+the+US+come+from%3F
Theedrich on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 3:41 am
China will win over the U.S. Yankeeland is dead. The Democrats and their oligarchic bribers have deadlocked the country. Narcotics from inside and outside the USA are causing moral and physical collapse everywhere. The invasion by unWhite dross and the glorification of sickos, perverts and darkies of every type have already destroyed the populace. Females studying feminist studies greatly outnumber males studying toxically masculine STEM subjects in the universities. The large cities promote narcotized homelessness while pretending to solve it. Marriages break down at a rate unprecedented in national history. The masses are hypnotized by Communist rhetoric from Dem candidates for Prez. The military is weakened by suicides. And the Supreme Court has decided that the U.S. Constitution is a suicide pact.
The handwriting is on the wall. Evolution has condemned the genosuicidal nation of Mickey Mouse to the cosmic commode.
Cloggie on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 3:52 am
“China will win over the U.S.” – YES
“Yankeeland is dead.” – NO
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/13/antisocial-review-andrew-marantz-alt-right
“Antisocial review: Andrew Marantz wades into the alt-right morass”
Meet the face of the coming white American insurrection and Continental Army 2.0.
The author Marantz is a jew of course…
https://www.fastcompany.com/90413795/this-journalist-spent-3-years-with-alt-right-trolls-this-is-what-he-learned
“The New Yorker writer argues that the unfettered internet created a loose coalition of reactionaries – rightwing muckrakers, pro-Trump trolls and outright fascists – whose cynical exploitation of free speech has derailed American discourse.”
But Marantz and the Guardian can’t imagine that support for the insurgency could come from a for them unexpected angle:
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/10/13/marion-marechal-president-france-2022/
The US+UK regimes could very well be faced with an overwhelming military opposition AS WELL AS an armed insurrection in the US.
These ingredients COMBINED could carry away the victory over I AM THE MOB and his two imperial water carriers, empire dave and joe esquire.
Davy on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 4:19 am
Top Military Officers Unload on Trump
Note: No Zero IQ BS nor Moon of Alabama BS
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/military-officers-trump/598360/
Cloggie on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 4:39 am
TheAtlantic is yet another globalist, kosher-run rag, with editor in chief (((Jeffrey Goldberg))) and president (((Bob Cohn))).
All they do is undermining Trump so that they get their republic back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlantic
All they will achieve is prompting CW2, as Trump already has warned.
Poor empire dave, he already regrets he voted for Trump, because he hates third world immigration too, but won’t admit it, political correct as he is.lol
Yet he loves the US empire more than he hates immigration, as he opportunistically deems he always can escape third world immigration by moving to white backwaters like the Ozarks.
Davy on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 5:21 am
Also, Cloggie, Trump is as deeply disliked by the enlisted ranks of the US military as the general population.
Your dreams of a Trump inspired insurrection is nothing more than a fart in the wind.
Anonymouse on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 5:38 am
Question for ya dumbass. Is ‘president’ dump as deeply disliked by the general population of amerikaaa as both of you retards are disliked by the general population of PO.com?
More or less?
JuanP garbage on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 5:48 am
Davy said Also, Cloggie, Trump is as deeply disliked by the…
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Davy on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 5:49 am
“Half of the American people have never read a newspaper. Half never voted for President.
One hopes it is the same half. — Gore Vidal”
Come on Idaho, that doesn’t work these days because the MSM is a corrupt arm of the deep state. Deranged rabid liberals who are educated are as deceived as those who are deplorable who listen to talk radio. I see this derangement in you and bobby. You readily drink the Kool-Aid for the sugar high of liberal derangement.
Davy on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 5:51 am
“Yet he loves the US empire more than he hates immigration, as he opportunistically deems he always can escape third world immigration by moving to white backwaters like the Ozarks.”
Dumbshit cloggo can’t recognize a Juanpee ID theft. He is not very clever when it comes to identities.
Davy on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 5:51 am
“Kim Jong Un May Be Hiding a Hog Apocalypse From the World”
https://tinyurl.com/y49afo7w Bloomberg
“African swine fever has spread to almost all areas of North Korea, and pigs in the western province of North Pyongan have been “wiped out,” said Lee Hye-hoon, who chairs the National Assembly’s intelligence committee, citing South Korea’s National Intelligence Service…About 40% of the population, or 10.1 million people, are estimated to be food-insecure and in urgent need of food assistance, according to results from an UN assessment conducted last April. African swine fever will worsen hunger and malnutrition, said Cho Chunghi, who fled North Korea in 2011 after spending a decade working for the government’s animal disease control program. Many North Korean households raise pigs to earn money to buy rice. “Pork accounts for about 80% of North Korea’s protein consumption and with global sanctions taking place, it’s going to be hard for the country to find an alternative protein source,”
JuanP on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 5:55 am
“Question for ya dumbass. Is ‘president’ dump as deeply disliked by the general population of amerikaaa as both of you retards are disliked by the general population of PO.com?”
People love my supremo muzzle jerkoff, brother anon. What do you think of him? I assume your dumbass is directed against my sock? You know I assisted the Trump campaign in 16?
Anonymouse on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 5:56 am
Juan, kuddos to ya for that trump support in 16. I am a closet trump guy myself
Sissyfuss on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 8:22 am
Can American values survive in America? Not with Trump as an authoritarian hologram. And I see no viable candidate in the Democratic field that can escape the the dictates of the DNC, the very same that forced Billary upon the voting populace as an unedifying alternative to the game show host. The American experiment may have run its course but Chinese Communist system will never be gladly accepted in a nation with a guarantee of free speech and expression. I believe that resource wars are the future and the political system most capable of denying that reality will have the upper hand.
Davy on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 8:45 am
Good Morning,
Excluding my ID Theft and Sock Puppetry, I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. I do want to thank all those who have attacked me with giving me material for growth. I have saved the best of my comments for my new blog. I have years worth of material. I have enjoyed moderating the worst of you and neutering your selfish useless agendas. I will still be here it is just I will be spending more time putting out a blog. I don’t expect much of a following with my blog. This is more a personal effort to assemble what I have learned over the last 10 years of formulating my REAL Green Deep Adaptation. For the stalkers here I hope you find my blog and visit the comment forum. It will be only lightly moderated to prevent juanpee identity theft and excessive cloggo spamming. LOL. There will be a prize for juanpee and annoymouse if you can stalk my blog. Double LOL. Anyway fuck my enemies and many thanks to those who contributed to my metamorphous.
I guess I could have joined the moderated section at PO dot com, but I knew I’d get my ass permanently banned. I’ll try not to let the door smack me up the backside on the way out.
Goodbye to ALL of you dumbasses.
Cloggie on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 9:44 am
Yabut… I thought they were good at money!
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/libra-dead-ebay-stripe-visa-and-mastercard-all-abandon-facebooks-cryptocurrency
“Libra Is Dead: eBay, Stripe, Visa And MasterCard All Abandon Facebook’s Cryptocurrency”
LOL
Cloggie on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 9:54 am
VW to offer e-vehicle below 20,000 euro until 2024. Range 250 km.
https://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/vw-will-elektroauto-fuer-weniger-als-20-000-euro-anbieten-a-1291348.html
Anonymouse on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 10:10 am
Juan, why do you steal Davy’s ID then whine about him taking yours? You act so much like a pussy already.
More Davy ID theft on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 10:34 am
Davy on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 10:10 am
Duncan Idaho on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 10:54 am
“While it takes longer to destroy a society than a company (almost 50 years since Reagan was elected), the fate of the U.S. is no less certain than the fate of Boeing. Primitive systems yield primitive results, and the U.S. is well on its way to being a primitive society.”
Just changing the subject a bit.
Robert Inget on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 11:32 am
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Urgent: US official – the situation on the ground is deteriorating rapidly in Syria. Extremist Turkish proxies have advanced. US Forces at risk of being isolated. increased risk of confrontation between Turkish proxies and US Forces unless Turkey halts their advance immediately.
Duncan Idaho on Sun, 13th Oct 2019 11:40 am
The Fat Boy abandoned the Kurds—-
This is not going to go unnoticed by other groups.
I know a 6 times bankrupt scammer from Queens has little moral reference, but someone should of stepped in.