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Beijing-Manila Oil Deal Underway In South China Sea
called the West Philippine Sea in the Philippines, the Manila-based Inquirer newspaper reported on Wednesday morning, citing officials from Philippine President Duterte’s office.
According to the report, Philippine officials said they were in talks with their Chinese counterparts to finalize a deal that could see both sides working to find oil and natural gas in the South China Sea.
“What we are looking at is a deal that will first cover exploration activities in uncontested areas,” said an administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because sensitive negotiations were still ongoing.
FILE – In this Sept. 7, 2016 file photo, Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang, left, and Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte link arms during the ASEAN Plus Three summit in Vientiane, Laos. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez, File)
The report comes as recently elected Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte cools relations with long-time ally the U.S., and moves closer to Beijing – a controversial move that critics both within and outside the country question.
Duterte took office shortly after The Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague issued a scathing report in July against China in favor of the Philippines over Beijing’s claim to more than 80% of the South China Sea, including areas within the Philippines’ UN-mandated exclusive economic zones (EEZ).
In 2012, after a terse stand-off between Chinese maritime vessels and the Philippine navy, China seized Scarborough Shoal in the South China, which is clearly within Manila’s EEZ.
Up to and shortly after the ruling, Sino-U.S. tensions worsened as Beijing accused Washington of meddling in its affairs by showing support for Manila.
Now, however, with what can arguably be called the Philippines’ pivot away from Washington to Beijing, tensions in the South China Sea – at least for now – have cooled down.
What’s up for grabs?
Though there are conflicting reports about just how much oil and natural gas lies underneath the South China Sea, there could be more oil than originally thought.
An U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) study in 2010 is the most recent report on potential hydrocarbon resources in the area. It states that there is a 95% chance that there is at least 750 million barrels of oil in the South China Sea Platform, a median chance of around 2,000 million barrels, and a low probability (5%) of over 5,000 million barrels.
The South China Sea Platform, according to geologists, is an area rich with source carbon and has the perfect geological conditions necessary for hydrocarbon development, particularly oil. It includes the area containing the Spratly Islands, Dangerous Ground, and the Reed Tablemount – all disputed South China Sea claims.
A major oil field is one that is considered to hold over 500 million barrels of oil. In this case, the South China Sea would hold enough oil to be considered one of the world’s major oil fields, albeit offshore. Worthy of note is that these figures are for possible resources and not proven or even probable reserves.
52 Comments on "Beijing-Manila Oil Deal Underway In South China Sea"
makati1 on Wed, 19th Oct 2016 7:17 pm
Finally! A Filipino Prez that does not kiss the Imperial Ass!. He was not indoctrinated in US colleges and brainwashed by Imperial MSM bullshit. He had real, long time, experience in governing people in troubled areas as mayor of Davao on the island of Mindanao.
He sees that the US is painting a bulls eye on his country just like they did to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Ukraine, and now Syria. They want to fight China on SE Asia soil, not in the US 50, and let Filipinos die for America’s sins.
Not going to happen this round unless the Imperial Assassins are sent to do their job. I think a martyr is NOT what the US wants. They want ass-kissers. Huge dilemma for the Empire. Duterte could set a precedent and give power to the beginning of a SE Asian turn away from the US.
As for the oil, that is second to sovereignty and each countries security. The Ps uses about 400,000 bbl/day. Not even a Starbucks coffee cup full per capita. China wants to control it’s import routes and borders, not what oil may or may not be there and may or may not ever be recovered. I hope Duterte can diplomatically diffuse the situation and come to an agreement that removes the bulls-eye. We shall see.
Boat on Wed, 19th Oct 2016 9:16 pm
mak,
Best case is China works with all the countries in the South China Sea without any US involvement. My question for China is why didn’t they work deals with countries who have claims in the area before moving in on them.
makati1 on Wed, 19th Oct 2016 9:43 pm
Boat, they had no time to chat. The US was already moving to block, or blocking, all of the diplomatic channels between China and it’s neighbors. China had to move and then negotiate later or lose the opportunity. You obviously don’t have a handle on the meddling the US is doing in ALL of the Asian countries. Only what the US MSM claims and that is mostly bullshit.
China is correct. The US has ZERO rights in Asia or Asian waters. But it believes that it should control them. Stupid arrogance that is bringing the Empire down and will isolate it from the rest of the world in years to come as it is forced to close it’s foreign bases and bring the fleets home.
I would like to see the US military kicked out of the Ps again and permanently this time. And they can shrink the Embassy back to a normal size also. They don’t need two city blocks for what other countries do in one building. The Ps DO appreciates the billions of YOUR tax dollars spent here over the last 5 years to build it. And right on the beach in Manila Bay.
GregT on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 12:42 am
“Now, however, with what can arguably be called the Philippines’ pivot away from Washington to Beijing, tensions in the South China Sea – at least for now – have cooled down.”
More important stuff going on ATM, like the installation of ‘Washington’s’ new CiC/CEO. Expect ‘tensions’ to rise, once Hillary and Bill get settled in again.
joe on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 12:57 am
Wow what a slap in the face. They sucker America to win the court case, then make themselves a sweetheart deal because they know who the boss is. Cue the falseflag ops and ‘human rights protesters’ and colour revolutionaries et al blah blah blah, we know the drill……
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 1:13 am
joe, the US was behind the “sucker case” not the Filipinos. There was not one Filipino lawyer involved. All big name US lawyers who have done this before to other countries. You need to stop swilling the US MSM Koolaid and open your eyes before your mouth.
I think Duterte is the best prez the Ps has had in a long time. He is not owned by the US and sees what the US has done to destroy the Ps over the years. Good for him. I hope he succeeds in his efforts and is able to avoid the CIA hit squads until his 6 years is up. Of course, by then, the US will be a 3rd world country with it’s own internal disasters to cope with.
joe on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 1:24 am
Thought i made it obvious that the suckers were those who thought Ps would fall into line with those who won that court case. I guess I gotta spell it all out though, oh well.
Davy on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 5:02 am
Wrong Makati “China is correct. The US has ZERO rights in Asia or Asian waters.” Neither nation should be projecting undue influence in the region. The days of superpower influence should end because this is now a different world. This world is global and in destructive decline. Cooperation at unprecedented levels is needed by everyone for everyone. Without this cooperation we are going to decay quickly. With cooperation the decay can be lowered and better adapted to.
China is on par with the US as the most dangerous nation in the world. Look at what China is doing environmentally and look at her military ambitions. Look at the money laundering rich of China and the exploitive economic policies of China. You don’t really think the Chinese are giving money away because of altruism do you? They are buying countries up for selfish reasons. They are doing this with a debt to GDP of 300%. They are an out of control hybrid authoritative capitalistic monster only rivaled by the out of control decaying superpower the USA. You anti-Americans are deluded to think such a nasty leadership as is running China will be much better than the US. Yea, dumbasses, the US is the worst and the empire part needs to end and it is ending. You feel better? Then pull your pants up please.
penury on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 12:28 pm
China better than the U.S? probably not, however at this point in history there are a number of countries that really want a change. It might not be better, it could be worse, but it will be a change and loads of people will cheer just at the prospect of change, After all, how much worse can it become?
Apneaman on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 1:40 pm
Duterte aligns Philippines with China, says U.S. has lost
” I announce my separation from the United States,” Duterte told Chinese and Philippine business people, to applause, at a forum in the Great Hall of the People attended by Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli.”
“”I’ve realigned myself in your ideological flow and maybe I will also go to Russia to talk to (President Vladimir) Putin and tell him that there are three of us against the world – China, Philippines and Russia. It’s the only way,” Duterte told his Beijing audience.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-philippines-idUSKCN12K0AS
https://youtu.be/tbad22CKlB4?t=29
Davy on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 1:56 pm
Smart guy but he let his pride get the best of him. He could have danced with both giants and maybe got his country richer through horse trading and back scratching. Yet this may be what he is doing. I imagine this marriage will go south and at that point he will be back to the Americans for deals and friendship. This action will only be significant if other Asian countries join in on the diplomatic coupe.
rockman on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 2:43 pm
Davy – Who says he ain’t working both sides of the street:
U.S. Government Partners with the Philippines on Wildland Fire Preparedness
During July 18-22, 2016, the U.S. Embassy Manila’s United States Agency for International Development (USAID), through its partnership with the U.S. Forest Service (USFS), trained 50 officials from the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) and Bureau of Fire Protection in forest fire management.
The Basic Fire Training on forest fire prevention and management focused on wildland fire preparedness, including planning for forest fire management, responding to forest fires, and recovering of damaged areas. Training graduates will serve as lead focal persons in the event of forest fires and will help conduct future fire training around the Philippines.
U.S. Government-Supported Program Helps Families Emerge from Poverty through Entrepreneurship
The U.S. Embassy Manila’s United States Agency for International Development (USAID) joined International Care Ministries (ICM) in Iloilo on July 1 to celebrate their partnership against poverty. Dr. Susan K. Brems, USAID Mission Director, Hon. Jed Patrick E. Mabilog, Mayor of Iloilo City, and David Sutherland, Chairman of the Board of ICM, led the graduation ceremony of 35 beneficiaries who took ICM’s “Transform” training program.
Vice President Robredo Attends U.S. Government International Conference on Urban Development
Friday, July 15, 2016 – 10:15pm
Recognizing the need to come up with practical solutions to urban growth challenges in the country, the U.S. Embassy Manila’s United States Agency for International Development (USAID) organized the 2016 International Conference on Urban Development, with the theme “Accelerating Resilience and Inclusive Growth,”
The U.S. Embassy Manila’s United States Agency for International Development (USAID) awarded seven new grants to support local organizations combating human trafficking and protecting the environment.
On May 27, U.S. Ambassador to the Philippines Philip S. Goldberg inaugurated 10 newly-constructed classrooms in Palo City, Leyte as part of the U.S. government’s rehabilitation efforts in areas devastated by Typhoon Yolanda.
US-Supported Scholars Graduate with New Skills to Address Future Calamities
President Benigno Aquino III and Ambassador Philip Goldberg led the commencement exercises on March 29 for the 148 scholars supported by the U.S. Embassy Manila’s United States Agency for International Development at Malacañan Palace. Also present were Secretary Mel Senen Sarmiento, Department of Interior and Local Government, representatives from the Development Academy of the Philippines, headed by President Antonio Kalaw, and Senior Vice President Gloria Mercado.
U.S. and Philippines Partner to Enhance Delivery of Financial Services to Vulnerable Populations
The U.S. Government and the Department of Social Welfare (DSWD) entered into a new partnership to improve the lives of the Philippines’ most vulnerable families.
USAID Turns over Health Training Models in Davao
In a recent visit to Davao City, U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) Philippines’ Mission Director Susan Brems handed over new health training models to the Department of Health-Davao Region and Brokenshire Memorial Hospital in support of the shared U.S.-Philippines goal to improve the delivery of health services in the region.
U.S. Official Inaugurates New School and Livelihood Facility in Tacloban City
United States Agency for International Development (USAID) Chief Financial Officer Reginald Mitchell visited Tacloban City on February 4 to inaugurate new structures as part of the U.S. government’s continuing support for communities impacted by Typhoon Yolanda.
United States Agency for International Development Official Visits Bohol; Renews U.S. Commitment to the Province’s Growth
United States Agency for International Development (USAID) General Counsel John Simpkins visited the province of Bohol January 26-27 to renew the U.S. government’s commitment to the province’s inclusive and sustainable development
I could go on and on but that’s enough. BTW USAID 2014 Philippine budget: $145 million.
Apneaman on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 3:24 pm
rockman, is there any propaganda cock you won’t suck and swallow?
The murderous history of USAID, the US Government agency behind Cuba’s fake Twitter clone
https://pando.com/2014/04/08/the-murderous-history-of-usaid-the-us-government-agency-behind-cubas-fake-twitter-clone/
Theedrich on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 4:09 pm
America’s fatal psychosis is messianism. A profound inner neurosis compels our elites to megalomania. This is in turn based on the underlying oedipus complex which afflicts the vast majority of traditional citizens. We are taught to hate our own fathers and forefathers.
Repeatedly our elites trumpet their belief that America is the “indispensable” nation and has a “responsibility” to spread its “humanistic” values globally, using military force to do so. When the banshee from hell, after murdering Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi, cackled gleefully, “We came, we saw, he died,” she was only expressing this same messianic psychosis.
Yankee tyrants feel they must forever re-fight the American Civil War of 1861-65, now on a planetary scale, and must subject the whole of humanity to their will. If a Saddam Hussein, a Muammar Gaddafi, or a Bashar al-Assad refuses to comply with their dictates, then he must be destroyed and his country “regime-changed.”
This heavily cloaked bloodlust is now leading to planeticide by Americanism. It is the earth versus America. Which one will win?
As U.S. imperialism (always justified by our need for “defense,” of course) continues to ooze around the globe, it is engendering multifaceted reaction by large and small countries. The diversity and asymmetry of the threats against us are growing by the year. As our neolibcons militarily destabilize other nations, the hatred of the rest of the world increases, both against us and against internal enemies and prey. But at no point will our elites admit that they themselves have brought this odium upon themselves. The cognitive dissonance would be just too great.
The mentally deranged bureaucrats and overlords of America also no longer recognize the fact that the ideological basis of their power is disintegrating. That basis has traditionally been Christianity (mainly in its Protestant variant), itself based on firmly held but utterly false myths. This is the wellspring of White Guilt, which claims that all men (but above all, and effectively only, Whites) are “guilty” of “sin” and must be punished. Its logical consequence dictates the extinction of the White race. Hence the pervasive whisper among the elites that Whitey must commit racial suicide.
At the same time, there is a strong increase of general irreligiosity and even atheism among the younger generations. Aside from many perverse effects such as hopelessness, suicide, and narcotics addiction and overdosing, feelings of unity of any kind are evaporating. A spreading egocentrism is one of the results. Hence the appeal of communism (or “socialism,” to use the current euphemism) in politics. All, while the massively rich elites control the mainstream media Ministry of Propaganda and increase the general mental defectiveness.
This mass confusion, chaos, derangement and killing of foreign national leaders leads in only one direction: a war of all against all, perhaps with new weapons yet to be invented. And despite what the American masses may say consciously and overtly, they will get what they truly deserve: the genosuicide they refuse to admit.
rockman on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 5:12 pm
Apeman – Sorry but I get credit for exposing the efforts of USAID to influence the Philippine govt…not you. Perhaps you should spend more time researching the net then trying in vain to be cute. LOL.
BTW, you’re welcome makati.
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 5:28 pm
Ap/Rockman, as you know, most of the US based NGO’s are just fronts for Soros and/or American espionage, not real programs. I think Duterte knows this. He is no dummy. And he has the support of his people. More than Obama can say.
His “pivot” to China and Russia is in the best interest of the Philippines. I don’t see any negatives there that don’t far out weigh the known negatives with any US “partnership”, and they are many. I expect him to kick out any NGOs that appear to be undermining his programs, just as Putin is doing in Russia and Xi in China. Duterte is a pleasant change from the previous Imperial Ass kissers.
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 6:06 pm
“Police say they had to resort to force to prevent the protesters from storming the embassy. “We had to disperse them. They started it,” Chief Inspector Arsenio Riparip told AFP. “They were trying to enter the embassy. We had to use tear gas. They overpowered our policemen.”
There is ZERO chance that they could have gotten into the Embassy. That wall is concrete and at least 14 feet high and the gate is steel bars. It would be easier to break into a bank vault.
“To the demonstrators, however, Wednesday’s events serve only to reinforce the notion of Filipino police as an extension of U.S. will. In a statement issued following the protest, a group representing indigenous Filipinos said:
“This protest serves to highlight the imperialist plunder, abuses, and continued domination of the United States in the country.”
And regardless of how the Filipino populace feels about its leader’s pivot toward China, it appears a great many citizens are more than happy to go along with his agenda to move away from the U.S.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-20/caught-tape-filipino-police-run-over-anti-american-protesters-they-storm-us-embassy
And Americans still believe they are loved everywhere. lol
Davy on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 6:10 pm
You might want to look over your shoulder. You piss the wrong Filipino off and you might get off’d. Killing is now becoming a nice side job in the P’s for some.
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 6:46 pm
Davy, being an asshole as usual. You have ZERO knowledge of conditions here. ZERO. Just a stupid America picture of the world, brought to you by the US MSM Iron Curtain. I’m a lot safer here than in America. 100+ murders per day in the US. 100+ killed in car accidents in the US. Not to mention the rape and plundering of you and the other sheeple by your rapacious IRS and the ever advancing police state government.
So, get on your soap box and wave your tattered, blood dripping flag and pretend you still live in the greatest nation on earth if it makes you feel good. I don’t give a damn. I don’t believe in fairy tales.
peakyeast on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 6:51 pm
I have a friend who also liked the philipines a lot and have lived there for many years.
It ended because someone wanted to take over his property. They broke into his house – found his stash of money and replaced it with a bag of drugs.
Luckily he came home unexpectedly and found that his money had disappeared and been replaced.
He hurried out of the country and while the police didnt find anything at his property there still is a warrant for his arrest. And with the corruption levels there – he is taking no chances.
Ghung on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 6:57 pm
Mak said; “And Americans still believe they are loved everywhere.”
Pure BS, Mak. Maybe you should spend more time here. Most Americans are damned tired of squandering blood and treasure on failed policies and nations of ingrates. But I’m sure you’ll keep cashing those checks, at least until your new lunatic decides your American income is his. I suspect if you live long enough, you’ll find that your new masters are an order of magnitude worse than your old masters. They have 4 times as many mouths to feed, they’ve pretty much sucked their own country dry of resources, and Filipinos aren’t Chinese.
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 7:37 pm
peaky, one bad example among the 100,000+ Americans retired here and have zero problems. Not to mention the thousands of tourists and Americans employed here. There are currently over 1 million Americans in the Ps for one reason or another.
As for your friend, he may have made the mistake of letting too many people konw that he has a lot of money or other expensive items. Not a smart thing to do anywhere. The person who was killed recently sailed his yacht into the harbor of Mindanao and likely wore a lot of expensive clothes and jewelry when he went to town. Not very intelligent. I learned to dress down and not flash my resources when I lived in Philly. Too dangerous even there. Especially there.
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 7:50 pm
Ghung, most Americans don’t give a damn about their government as long as the goodies flow. If you believe that they actually care, you should wonder why they allow the government’s actions to continue. Answer: They don’t know/ don’t give a shit. Too much work to do anything but complain.
You don’t need to live on the dung heap to smell the shit. I know more about what is happening in the Us than most Americas who actually live there. Apparently, even you. Go hang out with Davy if you actually believe the sheeple care.
Maybe you haven’t looked around at the real America? You have more people on the government payroll than work in actual productive jobs. You have 47,000,000 people standing in the soup lines. Millions living in the streets including whole families. Millions more sucking the welfare teat. More veterans killing themselves than are killed in all of the on-going US ‘wars’. You call that a “better place”? Wait until the dole stops. You will live in a hell on earth. LMAO
As for that last piece of shit remark: I paid into the S.S. program, by force, for almost 50 years. S.S. is a return on my “investment”, not dole. And I will take every check to the bank and exchange it for Philippine Pesos until it ends or I die. Go preach your bullshit to someone too stupid to know better.
Davy on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 7:54 pm
Getting nervous Makati….lol
Ghung on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 7:58 pm
Mak; your big problem is that you think you are smarter and better informed than anyone here. That, of course, is ludicrous, and it keeps a lot of folks from taking you seriously, especially sense you make a big deal of sounding so sure of yourself.
You don’t live here, but I see it every day. As for your SS check, is there a law in the Philippines that says you’re guaranteed to get that?
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 7:59 pm
Davy, YOU are the one who should be getting scared shitless by what is happening in the US today. I’m safe, and not even concerned about what you seem to think is happening or going to happen here. I have 9 years of experience living here. No problems ever and don’t see any down the road. Suck down some more of the USMSM Koolaid.
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 8:08 pm
Ghung, at least I don’t have an overblown ego that thinks they know everything, but I do know the Us and the Philippines and a lot more about my current neighbors, China, Japan, etc. than most Americans. Many stupid Americans couldn’t even find any pf them on the map of it was not marked.
As for the SS, yes, the banks here are more reliable than any US bank. As long as the internet works (or the US government lasts) I will get paid. The same can be said for your income. SS is deposited directly into my account and I can withdraw it at any ATM, just like in the US or use my debit card. Just like in the Us. The only problems I have had with banks were on the American end and their stupid “security” regulations.
Next stupid question?
Davy on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 8:09 pm
Did I say I wasn’t scared. Your the F-wack that thinks he is king. Your a joke Makati. Your going to crash and burn and nobody will be there for you.
Ghung on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 8:10 pm
“Ghung, at least I don’t have an overblown ego that thinks they know everything…”
Yes, Mak, you do
peakyeast on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 8:14 pm
@Mak: Yes I realize its only one example.
And yes you cannot use anecdotal stories for painting a broad view.
I just found the story interesting. And when combining it with the hysterical anti-drug policies this amounts to attempted murder.
How many cases of this type that are going to happen in the coming years – due to the semi-legalization of murder?
Certainly the statistics will not show it as the corrupted or misled police will tell a different story than the reality.
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 8:47 pm
peaky, again you seem read the USMSM bullshit where they exaggerate everything to make the Us seem the best place to live and the rest of the world a shit-hole.
How effective has the Us “War on Drugs” been?
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Crime
Not at all. Drug use in the Us has increased since it began. So have the inter-gang murders. Not to mention the deaths by overdose. Illegal drugs is a $70+ billion per year business in the Us, that includes some of America’s biggest banks.
The FACT that the Philippine people support the current method and are glad to see it happen should tell you that it is only outside meddling that you read about. Or don’t you like to see Democracy in action? Your leaders certainly don’t.
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 8:48 pm
Ghung. I know what I know. I can support my assertions with facts, if I choose to. That is not ego. That is reality.
Davy on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 8:59 pm
Wow, that is some strong mojo, makati
JuanP on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 9:01 pm
“It states that there is a 95% chance that there is at least 750 million barrels of oil in the South China Sea Platform, a median chance of around 2,000 million barrels, and a low probability (5%) of over 5,000 million barrels.” And those insignificant amounts are for possible resources, not reserves. We are talking about maybe a few days of global oil consumption, probably about a week or two.
This is not about the oil; it is about China securing its coastline and its access to the sea for trading and national security reasons and the USA trying to prevent that. In the long run the Chinese will win this one and all they have to do is wait for the Americans to finish their self destruction.
peakyeast on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 9:17 pm
@mak: I am not a US citizen – actually I have never been in the US and its unlikely I ever will. When my wife goes to the US to visit family I stay home – even if she is begging. I have nothing useful to do there and I despise the government and the frothing rabies infected police there – pimped up on monthly quotas.
I only read about the drug policy the first couple of days – and only from a couple of links here on PO.
Nope – I am just speculating about the combined effect of:
Increasing poverty. Corrupt police. My friends recent experience. People getting killed all over the place because of a new policy.
It is a strawman argument that you try to talk about the US. Not worthy of you.
Everybody knows that the US drug policy is failed while at the same time the US is the biggest buyer in the world of Cocain and, I believe, also Heroin.
peakyeast on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 9:23 pm
@JuanP: I agree.. Except there is no long run.
But the maps of borders I have seen of the SCS the chinese are not really fair.
I see no detailed explanation or picture of how the philipines and china has divided the SCS waters – except that they will exploit some of it together.
I wonder how long they will be “friends”.
Davy on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 9:26 pm
How about that Juan, win to lose. That’s not much of a winning. We are all going down. China’s falll will be especially hard almost as bad as the US. Get down to your country before it is too late. I wish I had such a place. Me, I will die here on the farm if it comes to that.
Apneaman on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 9:46 pm
Personally, I’ll only count China out if and when I see the smoking ruins. They have had bowel movements that have lasted longer than the entirety of american history.
“China has the longest continuous history of any country in the world—3,500 years of written history. And even 3,500 years ago China’s civilization was old!”
https://www.historians.org/about-aha-and-membership/aha-history-and-archives/gi-roundtable-series/pamphlets/our-chinese-ally/the-oldest-living-civilization
Ghung on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 10:08 pm
In a resource-constrained world, one thing will underlie everything else; resources per capita. That’s where China and the rest of Asia/India have a big problem. If things devolve to where China can’t trade for what it needs, it will be a case of resource acquisition by other means.
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 10:26 pm
Peaky, since you are not in the Us and refuse to visit, you are not in a position to claim anything about it.
“Increasing poverty. Corrupt police. My friends recent experience. People getting killed all over the place because of a new policy.”
All three of those are true of the US today also. So don’t use them as a reason that the Ps are more dangerous. Sorry about your friend’s experience, but it happens. I was mugged by 3 thugs on a military base in Basic Training in 1965. Does that make military bases unsafe? LOL
“Twenty-six percent of U.S. households were victimized
Two in three victims reported the crimes to police
Theft, vandalism the most common forms of traditional crime”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/179174/one-four-households-victimized-crime.aspx
26% sounds like the US is more criminally challenged than the Ps. LOL
“Twenty-six percent of Americans say they or another member of their household were the victim of some type of property or physical crime in the last 12 months, ranging from theft to sexual assault, according to Gallup’s index of crime victimization. Since 2000, the percentage of households that have been victimized by crime has ranged narrowly between 22% and 27%. The percentage of Americans who have been personally victimized has ranged from 14% to 19%.”
And the beat goes on…
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 10:28 pm
Ap, many here are swilling the current USMSM Koolaid that says that China and Russia are bad and going down. Wishful thinking on their part, I think. And brainwashing of the highest degree as few Americans have ever been near either country and likely have no Chinese or Russian friends. Most Americans refuse to even own a mirror, let alone look into one.
GregT on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 10:54 pm
“That’s where China and the rest of Asia/India have a big problem.”
That’s when the factory workers will need to give up their smart phones, sell their bicycles, and move back home to the farms. For us here in North America, it’ll be a tad bit more complicated. Even if resources per capita here, dropped to the same levels as over there, I’m sure that there would be blood in the streets. Far more than there is already.
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 11:12 pm
GregT, you got it in one. The higher on the ladder, the longer the fall and the harder the hit. A country that uses five times the resources it should, has the farthest to fall. Guess who?
But when the fall happens, it will happen faster in the US than anywhere else. So much of the US economy depends on printing money to pay the bills that, when they can no longer do that, … SPLAT! And that day is fast approaching. Blood in the streets and cities burning. I remember the 60s in the US. That was just a warmup to what is coming.
makati1 on Thu, 20th Oct 2016 11:35 pm
GregT, “…it will be a case of resource acquisition by other means.”
You mean what the US has been doing for centuries? After all, the US imports most of what it consumes. The “other means” being Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, and on and on. Cut off the US oil imports and see how fast the empire crumbles. Not to mention the ores and minerals it need to even fix the bridges that are falling down. Rocket engines from Russia. And all the techie junk components from Asia.
Millions have dies so Americans can waste.
peakyeast on Fri, 21st Oct 2016 5:06 am
@mak: Lets just stop this here. Strawmen and “Jantelov” are not valid positions in a discussion.
Davy on Fri, 21st Oct 2016 6:00 am
Do the math with Asia and China and India in particular. Asia is in severe overshoot and fully integrated into a globalized culture of fossil fuels and complex production and distribution. Failing globalism with such high populations offer no hope for a smooth transition. The countryside is already full of people. There is much low tech subsistence farming but what does that matter for the teaming urban masses that have no land to move to? Sounds like crazy fantasy to me of the idyllic Asian peasant returning to the land from the horrible western inspired mega cities. Give me a break. There is no place for people to leave the cities and start those little farms up because the countryside is already overpopulated. There is little available water as is now. There I no fresh soil to accommodate new farms in Asia. Asia is one big disaster area and many here want to paint a different picture only as an alternative to the west and especially the US. This is a competitive mental “want” behavior not reality. Some want to claim Asia has a long history. A long history of globalism? No they have a very short history of globalism and they destroyed the previous culture that was much more sustainable and accommodated famine and small die offs.
Today the mother of all die-offs is visiting Asia worse than any other region. This is not because there is anything particularly wrong with Asian people, it is because there are way too many Asian people. There are mega cities in Asia that have no future. There is absolutely no future for them and there are more in Asia than anywhere else. Take the Manila metropolis and region of 20MIL as a perfect example. That region should have maybe 1MIL people. The countryside is already full and should have reductions. The process of decline from 19MIL deaths to 1MIL within a decade or two is horrific. Of course the western large urban cities are much the same. New York City metropolis region of 20 something MIL needs to be down below 1MIL. The issues of returning to the countryside in the west are issues of reintroduction into farming. Some areas it relates to there is nowhere to go like around New York City. Here in the Midwest there is plenty of places to go but the people are not ready to go to the land. When I read one side saying we are better and the other is worse I tend to think agenda. Both sides are in a bad situation. You just have to look at the numbers to see where the degree of bad will be worse.
makati1 on Fri, 21st Oct 2016 7:18 am
peaky, Sorry, but you don’t have the last say. lol. I’ll post my view and you can post yours. Let others decide who is most correct. LOL
Ghung on Fri, 21st Oct 2016 8:25 am
Relax, guys. With Mak, it’s always Mak vs the US rather than man against nature and reality. He claims his POV is soundly backed by,, what? Nothing at all that I’ve seen. Yet he goes on these “you’re more screwed than we are tirades. Childish, he is, and he has some sort of thorn up his ass he’ll clearly take to the grave.
Davy on Fri, 21st Oct 2016 8:45 am
Peaky put it best in referencing “Jantelov” thinking. I am going to adapt this to “Makatilov” thinking:
The ten “makatilov” rules in relation to him:
You’re not to think you are as special as I am.
You’re not to think you are as good as I am.
You’re not to think you are smarter than I am.
You’re not to convince yourself that you are better than I am.
You’re not to think you know more than I am.
You’re not to think you are more important than I am.
You’re not to think you are good as I am.
You’re not to laugh at me.
You’re not to think anyone cares about you.
You’re not to think you can teach me anything.
onlooker on Fri, 21st Oct 2016 9:10 am
Obviously all of Asia is severely in overshoot. To not admit this is high ignorance or deceit
Despite its vast size, China is land poor — with only 20 acres of arable land per 100 people — according to the World Bank.
While the U.S. is the top provider of Chinese food imports, it is not alone in feeding the world’s most populous nation. Brazil, Australia, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Canada and Argentina are among American farmers’ top competitors in supplying China with food.
“China’s inability to meet all the increased demand from domestic production renders exciting opportunities to food exporting countries such as Australia,”