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Anniversary of the Trump Presidency Part One: Peak Oil and the Deep State
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As these words go to publication, millions are expected to take to the streets in centres across the United States, Canada and around the world, all in demonstrations timed with the anniversary of President Trump’s inauguration.
The thrust of the Womens’ March on Washington and its various affiliates is getting more women involved in electoral politics and ratcheting up the voter-turn-out as the mid-term Congressional elections approach.
Healing social divides, most notably around gender, sexual orientation, race, and immigration seem to be the defining issues motivating citizens to action. Interestingly, there seems to be less attention paid to urgent human security concerns related to military interventions, surveillance culture, and economic upheaval.
By and large, elected representatives are prisoners to other forces entrenched in society. In particular, the various corporate lobbies, or ‘special interests’ arguably have much more of an influence on decision-making than the gender of the politician in question. Further, an advanced technological civilization has basic material requirements in terms of energy and resources that need to be met to secure the prosperity of society members at all levels.
Analysts like Peter Dale Scott invoke the concept of the ‘Deep State’ as a way of referring to a permanent governing infrastructure behind the scenes that attends to these fundamental building blocks of society. The approach, at least in the U.S., typically involves forms of violence against the vulnerable including military expansionism, covert activities, and theft.
If elites are able to finance and manipulate election campaigns and election results in their favour, then what are the economic and other considerations in the background prompting the election of Trump and directing his policies in the future? That is the subject of this week’s Global Research News Hour radio program.
We first hear from J. David Hughes, author of two reports on shale oil and gas plays in the U.S. released in December 2016. He is convinced that the Energy Information Administration is overly optimistic about the energy picture of the U.S. and that a near-future short-fall of domestic supply could have damaging long term implications for America’s ‘energy independence.’ This interview was originally conducted a year ago.
Next we speak to commentator and past guest Mark Robinowitz. Robinowitz maintains that Trump was installed a year ago in order to take the fall for an inevitable economic collapse and to introduce unpopular military and other measures which would likely be continued under a future president, Democratic or Republican, male or female.
Robinowitz updates us on his thinking, elaborating on who exactly comprises the different factions within the U.S. ‘Deep State’.
J. David Hughes is an earth scientist who has studied the energy resources of Canada for four decades, including 32 years with the Geological Survey of Canada as a scientist and research manager. He is also a fellow with the Post Carbon Institute.
Mark Robinowitz is a writer, political activist, ecological campaigner and permaculture practitioner and publisher of oilempire.us as well as jfkmoon.org. He is based in Eugene, Oregon.
136 Comments on "Anniversary of the Trump Presidency Part One: Peak Oil and the Deep State"
Antius on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 10:32 am
“Healing social divides, most notably around gender, sexual orientation, race, and immigration seem to be the defining issues motivating citizens to action. Interestingly, there seems to be less attention paid to urgent human security concerns related to military interventions, surveillance culture, and economic upheaval.”
Exactly. Socialists are never very interested in real issues or making things better for anyone. They are all about venting spite onto those that dare to disagree with their fundamental Zeitgeist. They are just about the worst people in the world.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 10:47 am
This dudes site oil empire is a fucking goldmine of esoteric knowledge..The only thing dumb is he thinks renewables can save us…
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 10:53 am
Antius
Here let me educate you on economics because I can tell you are uneducated..
According to Forbes the top ten best countries for business are socialist.
https://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/
According to the scientist world happiness report and National Geographic the top ten happiest countries based on health, wealth, and person freedoms are all socialist.
http://worldhappiness.report/
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/top-10/2016-worlds-happiest-countries/
And according to the world health organization the top ten countries with the best healthcare systems are all socialist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000
You are so dumb and brainwashed by propaganda its unreal.
Antius on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 11:31 am
“According to Forbes the top ten best countries for business are socialist.”
Err…They are all first world countries with good infrastructure and well educated populations. Nothing to do with Socialism and Karl Marx propaganda. Everything to do with investing money in the right places.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 11:45 am
Antius
They invest money because they have higher taxes because they are socialist..You stupid hillbilly! Just deny the facts you dumbass. I just made you look like a total fucking idiot!
Antius on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 12:29 pm
I guess that depends on what you think Socialist means Mastermind. If you think it means prioritising investment in common infrastructure and helping people get college degrees in science and engineering that allows them to permanently increase their living standards, then I would advocate that kind of ‘Socialism’. I think most rich people are in favour of that as well. Except I don’t think that is what Socialism means.
If it means taxing the hell out of people that dared to do well to subsidise other people’s lifestyles, then that is something else. Where I live in the UK, I see a lot of that. People that live their entire lives in social housing and spend most of their dole money on cigarettes and alcohol whilst bemoaning the rich people whose stolen money keeps them alive. They aren’t interested in leaving that way of life, they enjoy living like it. They are selfish and would use anyone and anything to bring themselves temporary pleasure. There is a big line of distinction between state investment in infrastructure and education and the permanent subsidy of a scumbag class. One is about lifting people up. The second sickens just about anyone that has to work for a living. I don’t think it makes my country a better place to do business or to live in. If it is doing well, it is doing so in spite of that sort of Socialism.
The rich are not some kind of ‘other-species’ that suck the life out of ordinary folk with mosquito-like proboscis. They are people that worked hard and did well themselves and most of them aren’t adverse to other folk doing the same. Like all people, some are better than others. Some like Musk are philanthropists trying to develop things that will make the world a better place. Others like Soros are vile and evil. I don’t hate them as a group, because the only thing they have in common is being successful. And I want to be rich like them. Anyone that isn’t mentally ill with a chip on their shoulder will feel the same way.
Cloggie on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 12:55 pm
According to the scientist world happiness report and National Geographic the top ten happiest countries based on health, wealth, and person freedoms are all socialist.
You haven’t a clue of what socialism means. What these countries really have is a social market economy, with guaranteed minimum. If you are able and willing to work it is still very well possible to make a decent salary in these countries.
The countries on your list are predominantly white and protestant. Those are the defining parameters for economic success in this world, if the picture is not blurred by the presence of excessive amounts of natural resources, like in the case of Saudi-Arabia.
Protestantism is the brand of Christianity that says: “look we are still Christian, but only on Sunday. During the week we work. And worshiping can just as good take place in a shabby church, rather than in an expensive cathedral”.
Golden formula.
Cloggie on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 12:58 pm
I can’t wait to hear the truth about that mysterious “deep state” from Mark Robinowitz. This is definitely going to be an eye-opener.lol
Antius on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 1:29 pm
“According to Forbes the top ten best countries for business are socialist.
https://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/
”
I wonder how they worked this out and what it even means. Anyone that has tried to set up a business in the UK in the past 10 years will know what a red tape nightmare it has become. Employing someone has become a legal minefield.
Maybe the businesses they are talking about are giant multinationals. They certainly aren’t start-up companies or small businesses. The UK government has done a great job driving those people to the wall.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 1:35 pm
Rednecks will buy anything for a political statement. If you find a pallet of clearance bricks at Lowe’s. Buy the pallet and say every brick they buy keeps them out of the hands of a Black Lives Matter activist. They’ll buy the whole damn pallet. Won’t even realize what they’ve done for years. Hand them a free confederate flag with it. When they pull out their wallet to pay, make an off handed comment on how those flags are going to be banned soon and they won’t even count their money. They’ll hand it to you while they talk about how sensitive the “snowflakes” are and something about their buddy’s newest gun. You make a 1000% profit and they get the feeling everyone else is a sucker. I’ve seen it a million times.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 1:36 pm
So long as I confine my activities to social service and the blind, they compliment me extravagantly, calling me ‘arch priestess of the sightless,’ ‘wonder woman,’ and a ‘modern miracle.’ But when it comes to a discussion of poverty, and I maintain that it is the result of wrong economics — that the industrial system under which we live is at the root of much of the physical deafness and blindness in the world — that is a different matter! It is laudable to give aid to the handicapped. Superficial charities make smooth the way of the prosperous; but to advocate that all human beings should have leisure and comfort, the decencies and refinements of life, is a Utopian dream, and one who seriously contemplates its realization indeed must be deaf, dumb, and blind.
— Helen Keller “Socialist”
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 1:39 pm
“I told you, Winston,” he said, ‘”that metaphysics is not your strong point. The word you are trying to think of is solipsism. But you are mistaken. This is not solipsism. Collective solipsism, if you like. But that is a different thing: in fact, the opposite thing.”
-Orwell 1984
Norman Pagett on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 2:58 pm
the United States (along with all insustrialised nations) is a construct of fossil fuels.
Without fossil fuels the United states will implode in on itself, andsecede into independent nations along racial, religious and political lines.
the fractures are already there, without the matrix of an oil based economy, the USA will disintegrate.
But before it does so, there will be a phase of violent denial, where the national government will intercede in an attempt to prevent it.
This will bring about martial law and military dictatorship as politicitans try to hang on to the last vestiges of national government.
It wont work of course, but that wonr prevent the unpleasantness of tyrannies
It’s explained more fully here:
https://extranewsfeed.com/from-oilslick-to-tyranny-e35d04b31fc3
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 3:22 pm
Norman
That is an excellent article. I have shared that many times…It was a little to real for my friends on reddit though…
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 3:22 pm
Here are five peer reviewed scientific studies authored by top experts that prove beyond any reasonable doubt that global civilization will collapse within the next decade. Simple really….when the World Economy Collapses everything shuts down…the end… We’re talking about grids down all over the world and 7.5B people dropping like f*** flies in short order. The collapse will be absolutely horrible..There is no collapse or horror movie ever produced that has even come close to imagining what the collapse of BAU might look like. I’m talking about every corporation and every social program going bankrupt at once.I’m talking about people eating people. I’m talking about the Worst Catastrophe to ever happen in the history of mankind. Nothing has ever, or will ever come close….
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652617304225?via%3Dihub
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3574335/
http://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/MSSI-ResearchPaper-4_Turner_2014.pdf
http://www.feasta.org/2012/06/17/tra
GregT on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 4:59 pm
“Here are five peer reviewed scientific studies authored by top experts that prove beyond any reasonable doubt that global civilization will collapse within the next decade.”
None of them come to the same conclusions that you have MM.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
Summary:
“Even in the absence of economic stratification, collapse can still occur if depletion per capita is too high. However, collapse can be avoided and population can reach equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable fashion.”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652617304225?via%3Dihub
“Data on returns on innovation seem, therefore, to be coherent with evidence provided by research in other fields (energy, mineral resources, agriculture, health, education and scientific research), showing that advanced capitalist societies have entered a phase of declining marginal returns – or involuntary degrowth – with possible major effects on the system’s capacity to maintain its present institutional framework.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3574335/
Conclusion:
“Do we think global society can avoid a collapse in this century? The answer is yes, because modern society has shown some capacity to deal with long-term threats, at least if they are obvious or continuously brought to attention (think of the risks of nuclear conflict).”
http://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/MSSI-ResearchPaper-4_Turner_2014.pdf
“For the “stabilized world” scenario, both technological solutions and deliberate social policies are implemented to achieve equilibrium states for key factors including population, material wealth, food and services per capita. ”
http://www.feasta.org/2012/06/17/tra
Conclusion:
“We are entering a time of great challenge and uncertainty, when the systems, ideas and stories that framed our lives in one world are torn apart, but before new stories and dependencies have had time to evolve. Our challenge is to let go, and go forth.”
BS MM.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:08 pm
Greg
You are such a fucking pussy! LOLLL
DO you really think population can be reduced and suitability can be achieved? LOL Good luck with that! You are grasping at straws!
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:10 pm
Is it Too Late for Sustainable Development?
Dennis Meadows thinks so. Forty years after his book The Limits to Growth, he explains why
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/is-it-too-late-for-sustainable-development-125411410/#2afCTB33v74FILWZ.99
Dennis Meadows: “There is nothing that we can do”
http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/04/dennis-meadows-there-is-nothing-that-we-can-do/
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:12 pm
Greg
What happened to bring it on? You can’t even handle a few studies! You are like a climate denier! LOL
The close alignment between the LTG BAU scenario and observed developments over the last four decades, as well as the correspondence in the underlying dynamics …, portend of potential global collapse. Although the general commentary on the LTG describes collapse occurring sometime mid-century (and the LTG authors stressed not interpreting the time scale too precisely), the BAU scenario implies that a relatively rapid fall in economic conditions and the population could be imminent. Indeed, other aspects of oil supply constraints …, indicate that the ongoing economic downturn of the GFC may be representative of an imminent BAU style collapse. (page 14 – http://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/MSSI-ResearchPaper-4_Turner_2014.pdf)
Antius on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:13 pm
“You are such a fucking pussy! LOLLL”
Cuckoo! Cuckoo!
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:17 pm
Are we entering the age of involuntary degrowth? Promethean technologies and declining returns of innovation
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652617304225?via%3Dihub
Complex civilizations tend to accelerate the use of resources, while diminishing the quantity of resources available for the civilization’s continued expansion — because they are continually being invested in solving the new problems generated by increasing complexity.
The result is that complex societies tend to reach a threshold of growth, after which returns diminish to such an extent that the complexification of the society can no longer be sustained, leading to its collapse or regression.
Mad Kat on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:19 pm
While I support the collapse theory, I doubt that it is going to happen quickly, barring an unknown event like s Black Plague, Spanish flu, super volcano eruption, nuclear war, etc. A financial crash will take time to wind down to the level of total collapse. Maybe a long time. The road down will be bumpy and painful for those with the most to lose, but survivable, if you are prepared. I guess time will tell.
I will add that countries like the US, and it’s wannabees, will have the most difficult time adjusting. Multicultural, multi-ethnic, financially stratified countries may well break up after all kinds of suppression are tried by the governments. We are living in interesting and unexplored times.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:20 pm
Greg
The best-case scenario involves recognition of the looming catastrophe by Elites and a more equitable restructuring of society, but who really believes that is going to happen?
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:25 pm
Scientific American: Apocalypse Soon: Has Civilization Passed the Environmental Point of No Return?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/apocalypse-soon-has-civilization-passed-the-environmental-point-of-no-return/
As M. King Hubbert (1962) shows, Peak Oil is about discovering less oil, and eventually producing less oil due to lack of discovery.
https://imgur.com/a/6dEDt
IEA Chief warns of world oil shortages by 2020 as discoveries fall to record lows
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iea-says-global-oil-discoveries-at-record-low-in-2016-1493244000
Saudi Aramco CEO sees oil shortage coming as investments, oil discoveries drop
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aramco-oil/aramco-ceo-sees-oil-supply-shortage-as-investments-discoveries-drop-idUSKBN19V0KR
German Military (leaked) Peak Oil study: oil is used in the production of 95% of all industrial goods, so a shortage of oil would collapse the world economy & world governments
http://www.energybulletin.net/sites/default/files/Peak%20Oil_Study%20EN.pdf
3 Years till Anarchy! Yes Madkat it will be a fast collapse. The last time the US had an oil shortage it caused the largest stock market crash since the great depression. Now imagine a world oil shortage with no solutions…Wall street will have a heart attack. And you cant grow global GDP without enough oil. Its impossible..And without growth the system will collapse.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:31 pm
“We’re in for a period of sustained chaos whose magnitude we are unable to foresee,” Meadows warns. He no longer spends time trying to persuade humanity of the limits to growth. Instead, he says, “I’m trying to understand how communities and cities can buffer themselves” against the inevitable hard landing.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/apocalypse-soon-has-civilization-passed-the-environmental-point-of-no-return/
I should take Dr Meadows advice..No more trying to persuade…..
GregT on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:32 pm
“DO you really think population can be reduced and suitability can be achieved? LOL Good luck with that! You are grasping at straws!”
None of those reports support your assertions that; “global civilization will collapse within the next decade”, “everything shuts down…the end”, “7.5B people dropping like f*** flies”, or “people eating people.”
You are completely full of shit MM. A liar.
Antius on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:39 pm
“I will add that countries like the US, and it’s wannabees, will have the most difficult time adjusting. Multicultural, multi-ethnic, financially stratified countries may well break up after all kinds of suppression are tried by the governments. We are living in interesting and unexplored times.”
Yep. It requires constant effort and outright oppression to prevent these societies from dissolving into anarchy. Yet there are plenty of obsessive morons that will never except it and are determined to push multiracial ideals to their bitter end.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:41 pm
Existing oil reserves are scheduled to begin a catastrophic crash within 1 to 3 years. When it hits the economic and social damage will be catastrophic. The end of Western Civilization, from China to Europe, to the US, will not occur when oil runs out. The economic and social chaos will occur when supplies are merely reduced sufficiently….
https://imgur.com/a/6dEDt
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7382/full/481433a.html
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421509001281
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030142151300342X
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016236114010254
http://www.geo.cornell.edu/eas/energy/the_challenges/peak_oil.html
http://www.scribd.com/document/367688629/HSBC-Peak-Oil-Report-2017
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:43 pm
Greg
Limits to growth models forecast a global economic collapse by 2030..
https://imgur.com/a/ehil2
You are just a pussy who can’t handle doom! I understand nobody likes a negative prognosis.
GregT on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:47 pm
“I should take Dr Meadows advice..No more trying to persuade…..”
“Jorgen Randers of the BI Norwegian Business School in Oslo, and one of the original World3 modelers, argues that the second half of the 21st century will bring us near apocalypse in the form of severe global warming.”
Likely.
“Randers’s ideas most closely resemble a World3 scenario in which energy efficiency and renewable energy stave off the worst effects of climate change until after 2050. For the coming few decades, Randers predicts, life on Earth will carry on more or less as before.”
Likely.
“Graham Turner of Australia’s Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization fears that collapse could come even earlier, but due to peak oil rather than climate change.”
“In this scenario, population peaks around 2030 at between seven and eight billion and then decreases sharply, evening out at about four billion in 2100.”
I think that Turner is overly optimistic. I see a possible extinction event some time in the fourth quarter of this century, if we don’t stop burning fossil fuel.
“Meadows holds that collapse is now all but inevitable, but that its actual form will be too complex for any model to predict. “Collapse will not be driven by a single, identifiable cause simultaneously acting in all countries,” he observes. “It will come through a self-reinforcing complex of issues”—including climate change, resource constraints and socioeconomic inequality.”
I completely agree with Meadows’ on his above statement.
Antius on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:50 pm
“I should take Dr Meadows advice..No more trying to persuade…..”
Maybe try reading and posting something new, instead of the same old crap over and over. It would help your case, whatever the hell it is.
While you’re at it, why not try some therapy?
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:52 pm
Antius
What are you going to do for work when we run out of oil? You will surely lose your truck driving job? LOL
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:55 pm
Antius
I don’t tell you what to post and what not to…You fascist are all alike! Can’t stand liberty and freedom of speech! Shouldn’t you be in Church praying to your dear leader Godhead! LOL BIBLE SAYS! LOL
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 5:59 pm
Antius
Ain’t it funny how the factory doors close, round the time that the school doors close, round the time that 100k jail cells open up to greet you like the reaper!
-RATM
If you want to start a race war then go marching in downtown detroit or chicago! PROVE YOURSELF! PUSSY!
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 6:01 pm
Antius
Are you sure you want to start a race war? Can you imagine Lebron with a machine gun in his hands, chasing down some truck driving trump supporter in an alley! LOL
Antius on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 6:24 pm
“If you want to start a race war then go marching in downtown detroit or chicago! PROVE YOURSELF! PUSSY!”
I don’t want to start a race war. The whole point I am trying to make is that race war is inevitable. It is happening right now in England and many other parts of the Western World.
https://news.sky.com/story/sex-abuse-gangs-view-white-girls-as-worthless-and-trash-10982586
Right now, it takes a tremendous amount of effort just to prevent it from escalating. The media do their best to hide the truth and the British police arrest anyone that tells the truth too loudly.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 6:42 pm
Antius
Says Rupert Murdock’s propaganda! You are so fucking dumb dude…They did a great job scaring the shit out of you.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 6:47 pm
antius
I hope the blacks get pay back on old white uncle tom. I hope they rape his daughter when the oil starts to run out..Turn them into their personal fuck toys! Just tell little Sara to turn off that Taylor Swift and open up wide for a big black dick! LOL Ole Uncle Tom will stroke out!
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 6:50 pm
The world is headed towards an Economic/Financial collapse. And everyone is arguing over a border wall and eating tide pods!
GregT on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 6:52 pm
“Limits to growth models forecast a global economic collapse by 2030.”
The World3 computer model has a multitude of different outcomes, depending on inputs. That would be one possible scenario, which it sounds like Graham Turner is advocating. Population levelling out at around 4 billion people by 2100.
I’m not that optimistic. I don’t believe that mankind will stop burning fossil fuels for at least another several decades, and I do believe that runaway climate change is in mankind’s future. Likely within your natural lifespan. Not likely within mine.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 7:11 pm
Greg
They will stop burning fossil fuels when the economic collapse occurs…Climate will solve itself…Nothing to worry about…You are worried about the symptoms of collapse..
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 7:18 pm
This is what Dennis over at Peakoilbarrel posted
“Oil prices will increase and use of hybrids, plugin hybrids and EVs will increase as the cost of these newer technologies fall and the price of oil, natural gas and coal increase due to depletion.
In addition, coal and natural gas prices will increase while the cost of wind and solar continue to fall and much of the electricity produced by coal and natural gas may be replaced by wind and solar output, along with hydro, geothermal, pumped hydro, batteries, fuel cells, and vehicle to grid.
If these substitutes are adopted at the speed with which smartphone adoption occurred. We get a “fast” energy transition.”
LOL how someone could have energy blog and be some energy illiterate boogies the mind.
adamb on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 7:25 pm
Cliffy, please don’t speak poorly of the energy illiterate…because then folks would run around and find the screen name you are hiding from, and prove quite easily that you are one of them.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 7:37 pm
AdamB
Meet science and facts!
UC Davis Study: It Will Take 131 Years to Replace Oil with Alternatives (Malyshkina, 2010)
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es100730q
University of Chicago Study: predicts world economy unlikely to stop relying on fossil fuels (Covert, 2016)
https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.30.1.117
Solar and Wind produced less than one percent of total world energy in 2016 – IEA WEO 2017
https://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/KeyWorld2017.pdf
Fossil Fuel Share of Global Energy since 1990 – BP 2017
https://imgur.com/k7VecMq
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 7:39 pm
Adamb
Now go run back to your other forum where you can censor others of free speech! You are an enemy of reason!
Mad Kat on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 7:51 pm
MM, and why do you believe that a ‘collapse’ is going to turn off all of the oil? Not if the governments can help it. They can nationalize the oily system and produce without profit. The wells and refineries are in place and the people will need jobs (food, shelter, etc.)
A collapse does not mean that fiat money is worthless. It just means it is worth less and paper may become plastic cards even more. The reset is going to be painful, but not Mad Max, I think. We shall see.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 8:10 pm
Madkat
Because an economic collapse means every corporation, bank,retirement account, currency, social program, government, going bankrupt….That will lead to people eating people…I think..
GregT on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 8:26 pm
“Because an economic collapse means every corporation, bank, retirement account, currency, social program, government, going bankrupt”
Many, in reality, already are bankrupt MM, and not just fiscally.
GregT on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 8:29 pm
“The reset is going to be painful, but not Mad Max, I think. We shall see.”
Expect much lower standards of living.
Mad Kat on Sun, 21st Jan 2018 8:38 pm
Mm, No, it doesn’t mane all those things. It means that the current capitalist system will likely dissolve and many will lose a lot of their ‘wealth’ but it is not Mad Max. It will not even be equal across the world. It may not seem so to Americans, but most of the world will just move on.
Why do you have a problem with the fact that billions have little or no connection to money or globalization? I can tell you for a fact that most of my farm neighbors do not have bank accounts, debt, or a reliant on things like electric or running water. Do you think they will notice if the US disappears? Nope! It will be BAU for them. Gather some chicken eggs. Plant some veggies. Cut off an arm of bananas. Climb the tree and cut down some coconuts. Etc..
Survival is a daily thing for them, not something foreign like it will be for Americans. This is a culture that is thousands of years old. Not an artificial construct like America with a few hundred years of trying to get their act together and failing.
Yank 100 million Americans out of the JIT delivery system cities and put a pack of seeds and a hoe in their hand and tell them the only food they will eat is what they can grow and 99 million of them would starve the first year. Not so here. But you have to come and see for yourself before you will believe me.