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An Affirming Flame

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According to an assortment of recent news stories, this Thursday, June 18, is the make-or-break date by which a compromise has to be reached between Greece and the EU if a Greek default, with the ensuing risk of a potential Greek exit from the Eurozone, is to be avoided. If that’s more than just media hype, there’s a tremendous historical irony in the fact. June 18 is after all the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo, where a previous attempt at European political and economic integration came to grief.

Now of course there are plenty of differences between the two events. In 1815 the preferred instrument of integration was raw military force; in 2015, for a variety of reasons, a variety of less overt forms of political and economic pressure have taken the place of Napoleon’s Grande Armée. The events of 1815 were also much further along the curve of defeat than those of 2015. Waterloo was the end of the road for France’s dream of pan-European empire, while the current struggles over the Greek debt are taking place at a noticeably earlier milepost along the same road. The faceless EU bureaucrats who are filling Napoleon’s role this time around won’t be on their way to Elba for some time yet.

“What discords will drive Europe into that artificial unity—only dry or drying sticks can be tied into a bundle—which is the decadence of every civilization?” William Butler Yeats wrote that in 1936. It was a poignant question but also a highly relevant one, since the discords in question were moving rapidly toward explosion as he penned the last pages of A Vision, where those words appear. Like most of those who see history in cyclical terms, Yeats recognized that the patterns that recur from age to age are trends and motifs rather than exact narratives. The part played by a conqueror in one era can end up in the hands of a heroic failure in the next, for circumstances can define a historical role but not the irreducibly human strengths and foibles of the person who happens to fill it.

Thus it’s not too hard to look at the rising spiral of stresses in the European Union just now and foresee the eventual descent of the continent into a mix of domestic insurgency and authoritarian nationalism, with the oncoming tide of mass migration from Africa and the Middle East adding further pressure to an already explosive mix. Exactly how that will play out over the next century, though, is a very tough question to answer. A century from now, due to raw demography many countries in Europe will be majority-Muslim nations that look to Mecca for the roots of their faith and culture—but which ones, and how brutal or otherwise will the transition be? That’s impossible to know in advance.

There are plenty of similar examples just now; for the student of historical cycles, 2015 practically defines the phrase “target-rich environment.” Still, I want to focus on something a little different here. Partly, this is because the example I have in mind makes a good opportunity to point out the the way that what philosophers call the contingent nature of events—in less highflown language, the sheer cussedness of things—keeps history’s dice constantly rolling. Partly, though, it’s because this particular example is likely to have a substantial impact on the future of everyone reading this blog.

Last year saw a great deal of talk in the media about possible parallels between the current international situation and that of the world precisely a century ago, in the weeks leading up to the outbreak of the First World War. Mind you, since I contributed to that discussion, I’m hardly in a position to reject the parallels out of hand. Still, the more I’ve observed the current situation, the more I’ve come to think that a different date makes a considerably better match to present conditions. To be precise, instead of a replay of 1914, I think we’re about to see an equivalent of 1939—but not quite the 1939 we know.

Two entirely contingent factors, added to all the other pressures driving toward that conflict, made the Second World War what it was. The first, of course, was the personality of Adolf Hitler. It was probably a safe bet that somebody in Weimar Germany would figure out how to build a bridge between the politically active but fragmented nationalist Right and the massive but politically inert German middle classes, restore Germany to great-power status, and gear up for a second attempt to elbow aside the British Empire. That the man who happened to do these things was an eccentric anti-Semite ideologue who combined shrewd political instincts, utter military incompetence, and a frankly psychotic faith in his own supposed infallibility, though, was in no way required by the logic of history.

Had Corporal Hitler taken an extra lungful of gas on the Western Front, someone else would likely have filled the same role in the politics of the time. We don’t even have to consider what might have happened if the nation that birthed Frederick the Great and Otto von Bismarck had come up with a third statesman of the same caliber. If the German head of state in 1939 had been merely a capable pragmatist with adequate government and military experience, and guided Germany’s actions by a logic less topsy-turvy than Hitler’s, the trajectory of those years would have been far different.

The second contingent factor that defined the outcome of the great wars of the twentieth century is broader in focus than the quirks of a single personality, but it was just as subject to those vagaries that make hash out of attempts at precise historical prediction. As discussed in an earlier post on this blog, it was by no means certain that America would be Britain’s ally when war finally came. From the Revolution onward, Britain was in many Americans’ eyes the national enemy; as late as the 1930s, when the US Army held its summer exercises, the standard scenario involved a British invasion of US territory.

All along, there was an Anglophile party in American cultural life, and its ascendancy in the years after 1900 played a major role in bringing the United States into two world wars on Britain’s side. Still, there was a considerably more important factor in play, which was a systematic British policy of conciliating the United States. From the American Civil War on, Britain allowed the United States liberties it would never have given any other power, When the United States expanded its influence in Latin America and the Carribbean, Britain allowed itself to be upstaged there; when the United States shook off its isolationism and built a massive blue-water navy, the British even allowed US naval vessels to refuel at British coaling stations during the global voyage of the “Great White Fleet” in 1907-9.

This was partly a reflection of the common cultural heritage that made many British politicians think of the United States as a sort of boisterous younger brother of theirs, and partly a cold-eyed recognition, in the wake of the Civil War, that war between Britain and the United States would almost certainly lead to a US invasion of Canada that Britain was very poorly positioned to counter. Still, there was another issue of major importance. To an extent few people realized at the time, the architecture of European peace after Waterloo depended on political arrangements that kept the German-speaking lands of the European core splintered into a diffuse cloud of statelets too small to threaten any of the major powers.

The great geopolitical fact of the 1860s was the collapse of that cloud into the nation of Germany, under the leadership of the dour northeastern kingdom of Prussia. In 1866, the Prussians pounded the stuffing out of Austria and brought the rest of the German states into a federation; in 1870-1871, the Prussians and their allies did the same thing to France, which was a considerably tougher proposition—this was the same French nation, remember, which brought Europe to its knees in Napoleon’s day—and the federation became the German Empire. The Austro-Hungarian Empire was widely considered the third great power in Europe until 1866; until 1870, France was the second; everybody knew that sooner or later the Germans were going to take on great power number one.

British policy toward the United States from 1871 onward was thus tempered by the harsh awareness that Britain could not afford to alienate a rising power who might become an ally, or at least a friendly neutral, when the inevitable war with Germany arrived. Above all, an alliance between Germany and the United States would have been Britain’s death warrant, and everyone in the Foreign Office and the Admiralty in London had to know that. The thought of German submarines operating out of US ports, German and American fleets combining to take on the Royal Navy, and American armies surging into Canada and depriving Britain of a critical source of raw materials and recruits while the British Army was pinned down elsewhere, must have given British planners many sleepless nights.

After 1918, that recognition must have been even more sharply pointed, because US loans and munitions shipments played a massive role in saving the western Allies from collapse in the face of the final German offensive in the autumn of 1917, and turned the tide in a war that, until then, had largely gone Germany’s way. During the two decades leading up to 1939, as Germany recovered and rearmed, British governments did everything they could to keep the United States on their side, with results that paid off handsomely when the Second World War finally came.

Let’s imagine, though, an alternative timeline in which the Foreign Office and the Admiralty from 1918 on are staffed by idiots. Let’s further imagine that Parliament is packed with clueless ideologues whose sole conception of foreign policy is that everyone, everywhere, ought to be bludgeoned into compliance with Britain’s edicts, no matter how moronic those happen to be. Let’s say, in particular, that one British government after another conducts its policy toward the United States on the basis of smug self-centered arrogance, and any move the US makes to assert itself on the international stage can count on an angry response from London. The United States launches an aircraft carrier? A threat to world peace, the London Times roars. The United States exerts diplomatic pressure on Mexico, and builds military bases in Panama? British diplomats head for the Carribbean and Latin America to stir up as much opposition to America’s agenda as possible.

Let’s say, furthermore, that in this alternative timeline, Adolf Hitler did indeed take one too many deep breaths on the Western Front, and lies in a military cemetery, one more forgotten casualty of the Great War. In his absence, the German Workers Party remains a fringe group, and the alliance between the nationalist Right and the middle classes is built instead by the Deutsche Volksfreiheitspartei (DVFP), which seizes power in 1934. Ulrich von Hassenstein, the new Chancellor, is a competent insider who knows how to listen to his diplomats and General Staff, and German foreign and military policy under his leadership pursues the goal of restoring Germany to world-power status using considerably less erratic means than those used by von Hassenstein’s equivalent in our timeline.

Come 1939, finally, as rising tensions between Germany and the Anglo-French alliance over Poland’s status move toward war, Chancellor von Hassenstein welcomes US President Charles Lindbergh to Berlin, where the two heads of state sign a galaxy of treaties and trade agreements and talk earnestly to the media about the need to establish a multipolar world order to replace Britain’s global hegemony. A second world war is in the offing, but the shape of that war will be very different from the one that broke out in our version of 1939, and while the United States almost certainly will be among the victors, Britain almost certainly will not.

Does all this sound absurd? Let’s change the names around and see.

Just as the great rivalry of the first half of the twentieth century was fought out between Britain and Germany, the great rivalry of the century’s second half was between the United States and Russia. If nuclear weapons hadn’t been invented, it’s probably a safe bet that at some point the rivalry would have ended in another global war. As it was, the threat of mutual assured destruction meant that the struggle for global power had to be fought out less directly, in a flurry of proxy wars, sponsored insurgencies, economic warfare, subversion, sabotage, and bare-knuckle diplomacy. In that war, the United States came out on top, and Soviet Russia went the way of Imperial Germany, plunging into the same sort of political and economic chaos that beset the Weimar Republic in its day.

The supreme strategic imperative of the United States in that war was finding ways to drive as deep a wedge as possible between Russia and China, in order to keep them concerted action against the US. That wasn’t all that difficult a task, since the two nations have very little in common and many conflicting interests. Nixon’s 1972 trip to China was arguably the defining moment in the Cold War, the point at which China’s separation from the Soviet bloc became total and Chinese integration with the American economic order began. From that point on, for Russia, it was basically all downhill.

In the aftermath of Russia’s defeat, the same strategic imperative remained, but the conditions of the post-Cold War world made it almost absurdly easy to carry out. All that would have been needed were American policies that gave Russia and China meaningful, concrete reasons to think that their national interests and aspirations would be easier to achieve in cooperation with a US-led global order than in opposition to it. Granting Russia and China the same position of regional influence that the US accords to Germany and Japan as a matter of course probably would have been enough. A little forbearance, a little foreign aid, a little adroit diplomacy, and the United States would have been in the catbird’s seat, with Russia and China glaring suspiciously at each other across their long and problematic mutual border, and bidding against each other for US support in their various disagreements.

But that’s not what happened, of course.

What happened instead was that the US embraced a foreign policy so astonishingly stupid that I’m honestly not sure the English language has adequate resources to describe it. Since 1990, one US administration after another, with the enthusiastic bipartisan support of Congress and the capable assistance of bureaucrats across official Washington from the Pentagon and the State Department on down, has pursued policies guaranteed to force Russia and China to set aside their serious mutual differences and make common cause against us. Every time the US faced a choice between competing policies, it’s consistently chosen the option most likely to convince Russia, China, or both nations at once that they had nothing to gain from further cooperation with American agendas.

What’s more, the US has more recently managed the really quite impressive feat of bringing Iran into rapprochement with the emerging Russo-Chinese alliance. It’s hard to think of another nation on Earth that has fewer grounds for constructive engagement with Russia or China than the Islamic Republic of Iran, but several decades of cluelessly hamfisted American blundering and bullying finally did the job. My American readers can now take pride in the state-of-the-art Russian air defense systems around Tehran, the bustling highways carrying Russian and Iranian products to each other’s markets, and the Russian and Chinese intelligence officers who are doubtless settling into comfortable digs on the north shore of the Persian Gulf, where they can snoop on the daisy chain of US bases along the south shore. After all, a quarter century of US foreign policy made those things happen.

It’s one thing to engage in this kind of serene disregard for reality when you’ve got the political unity, the economic abundance, and the military superiority to back it up. The United States today, like the British Empire in 1939, no longer has those. We’ve got an impressive fleet of aircraft carriers, sure, but Britain had an equally impressive fleet of battleships in 1939, and you’ll notice how much good those did them. Like Britain in 1939, the United States today is perfectly prepared for a kind of war that nobody fights any more, while rival nations less constrained by the psychology of previous investment and less riddled with institutionalized graft are fielding novel weapons systems designed to do end runs around our strengths and focus with surgical precision on our weaknesses.

Meanwhile, inside the baroque carapace of carriers, drones, and all the other high-tech claptrap of an obsolete way of war, the United States is a society in freefall, far worse off than Britain was during its comparatively mild 1930s downturn. Its leaders have forfeited the respect of a growing majority of its citizens; its economy has morphed into a Potemkin-village capitalism in which the manipulation of unpayable IOUs in absurd and rising amounts has all but replaced the actual production of goods and services; its infrastructure is so far fallen into decay that many US counties no longer pave their roads; most Americans these days think of their country’s political institutions as the enemy and its loudly proclaimed ideals as some kind of sick joke—and in both cases, not without reason. The national unity that made victory in two world wars and the Cold War possible went by the boards a long time ago, drowned in a tub by Tea Party conservatives who thought they were getting rid of government and limousine liberals who were going through the motions of sticking it to the Man.

I could go on tracing parallels for some time—in particular, despite a common rhetorical trope of US Russophobes, Vladimir Putin is not an Adolf Hitler but a fair equivalent of the Ulrich von Hassenstein of my alternate-history narrative—but here again, my readers can do the math themselves. The point I want to make is that all the signs suggest we are entering an era of international conflict in which the United States has thrown away nearly all its potential strengths, and handed its enemies advantages they would never have had if our leaders had the brains the gods gave geese. Since nuclear weapons still foreclose the option of major wars between the great powers, the conflict in question will doubtless be fought using the same indirect methods as the Cold War; in fact, it’s already being fought by those means, as the victims of proxy wars in Ukraine, Syria, and Yemen already know. The question in my mind is simply how soon those same methods get applied on American soil.

We thus stand at the beginning of a long, brutal epoch, as unforgiving as the one that dawned in 1939. Those who pin Utopian hopes on the end of American hegemony will get to add disappointment to that already bitter mix, since hegemony remains the same no matter who happens to be perched temporarily in the saddle. (I also wonder how many of the people who think they’ll rejoice at the end of American hegemony have thought through the impact on their hopes of collective betterment, not to mention their own lifestyles, once the 5% of the world’s population who live in the US can no longer claim a quarter or so of the world’s resources and wealth.) If there’s any hope possible at such a time, to my mind, it’s the one W.H. Auden proposed as the conclusion of his bleak and brilliant poem “September 1, 1939”:
Defenceless under the night,
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.

The Archdruid Report by John Michael Greer



31 Comments on "An Affirming Flame"

  1. Plantagenet on Wed, 17th Jun 2015 8:56 pm 

    Michael Greer’s point that Putin is more like Ulrich von Hassenstein then Hitler isn’t very helpful. Really, what does it matter is Putin is like Hitler or the man who was Hitler’s Chancellor. The more important point is that Putin is copying Hitler’s methods by claiming he has to “protect” ethnic Russians and then absorbing the territory populated by the ethnic Russians back into Russia, just as Hitler did when he said he had to protect ethnic Germans and absorb hunks of other countries to “protect” them.

    ON the other hand, Greer’s point that moronic US leaders liket Obama have “thrown away” all of the advantages the US had over Russia and China is excellent.

  2. GregT on Wed, 17th Jun 2015 9:23 pm 

    Putin is supporting the ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine in their fight against Neo-Nazis. The US oligarchs have thrown away any chance of the Americans in joining a multipolar world. It is obvious that Obama doesn’t like what is going on, but Obama’s hands are tied. Obama is only a puppet, and does not have control.

    The DC thugs are driving your country into war lil planter, war and ruin.

  3. clueless on Wed, 17th Jun 2015 9:34 pm 

    Very well said, Greg T.

  4. Apneaman on Wed, 17th Jun 2015 10:10 pm 

    video with a series of recent launches of the Indo-Russian BrahMos supersonic cruise missile.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNG86VSld3s

  5. Apneaman on Wed, 17th Jun 2015 10:16 pm 

    Russian Fighter Jet Disables US Missle Destroyer Using Electronic Warfare Weapon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s4sKAMgYsU

  6. Makati1 on Wed, 17th Jun 2015 11:39 pm 

    GregT, clueless, and Apneaman, we are on the same page. The US blew it when they started thinking seriously of ruling the world. About the 1980s, I think.

    There is no chance of breaking the China/Russian pact, and together, they are more than a match for the weakening US. I laughed at a comment on another blog about the G-7 Debtor Club. So true!

  7. GregT on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 12:08 am 

    What really scares me as a Canadian Mak? The current regime in Ottawa is in bed with the DC globalists. We’re going down too.

  8. Makati1 on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 12:32 am 

    GregT, I think so, unfortunately. I am put down, by some, for continuing to insist that the North American Union plan is still underway, but I have seen nothing to say it is not and plenty to see that it is proceeding at a fast pace.

    The US needs Canada’s resources and Mexico’s cheap labor, as it has been blocked from Russia’s and China’s. The rest of the world is turning away from the US and seeing it for what it is, a purveyor of terrorism. I know that comment will being a rebuttal from the flag waver here, but … so be it. Sometimes the true hurts. LOL

  9. Davy on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 6:58 am 

    The fine words of a pussy. Mak said “I know that comment will being a rebuttal from the flag waver here, but … so be it. Sometimes the true hurts. LOL”. Mak, your truth is a creation of your delusional mind. Mak ‘splain this: “The US needs Canada’s resources and Mexico’s cheap labor, as it has been blocked from Russia’s and China’s”. This maybe, could, would or should but it ain’t apparent now. That geopolitical fantasy is a creation of your delusional mind. The mind of a mad man with an agenda of the end of North America and the ascendency of Asia in a 1000 year Reich in alliance with its rump state Russia. This Mak fantasy is a North America ending in a violent and hideous NUK war.

    I will listen to Greg. Greg is fair, balanced and well researched. Agendist Mak creates a fiction then cherry picks selective facts to paint a picture following his narrative of Asian dominance. I prefer Greg’s hard hitting analysis of the globalists with solid historical analysis. Mak’s blathering a rewrite of history. Greg does not revel in the idea of death and destruction of the US in NUK war. Mak revels in the idea with glee. Greg realizes mutually assured destruction a WWIII either conventional or NUK will result in. Mak see’s Asia and its rump Russia winning unscathed a WWIII. Mak sees the global system magically transforming to an Asian system that prospers and the developed world that is destroyed. Mak will you just shut up and let Greg talk.

    As for me history matters less than dooming and prepping locally. Global events are set and have been set since 08. These events will not have a happy ending. There will be no winners in the global reset of consumption and population. All regions have nations with locals delocalized. Our interconnected global system has achieved local delocalization in the pursuit of hyper growth. Efficiency and comparative advantage have been applied to promote consumption over sustainability and resilience. All nations have their own comparative exposure to the end of globalism. Luck will be involved for some that will suffer less. Yet, all will suffer. All regions will see rebalance of consumption and population.

    The worst will be in Asia where a cull of 3BIL people will occur to get to a stable sustainable level. North America and Europe 750MIL cull. The most advanced regions globally and the largest of cities globally will suffer greatly. All continents have these mega cities and complex nodes. Complexity will fail with mega population centers unsupportable and all locals left naked. I just wonder how Mak finds something to crow about with that picture. His Manila is a poster city for a rebalance of both consumption and population.

    I am more concerned with doom with a dynamic system flavor of the global system and prep with a local flavor. I want to discuss time frames for all this. I am here every day because I am looking for some idea of this time frame. I am looking for some idea of a descent trajectory. We have so many possibilities of failure the directions is very important for a local prep effort.

    Mak, I would recommend you get out of your cheap 10th floor apartment in the heart of a slum in Manila and get over to that farm you talk about constantly. I just can’t figure out how all the work is being done with you in Manila and the farm 80 miles away. I work constantly and still I have not enough hours. Mak quit sitting by the pool blathering rewrites of history and anti-American propaganda agenda. Mak, move to the farm now. If I reply allot here it is from my IPhone on my tractor or in the garden weeding. Yes Mak, gardens have to be weeded and you can’t do that from 80 miles away.

  10. Rodster on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 8:47 am 

    One of JMG’s reply to a reader who thinks China will be better as the new leader of the free world reminded him: “Peter, you might consider talking to people from Tibet, and checking out the condition of China’s ecosystems, before you dig yourself any deeper. Hegemony is hegemony.”

    History has shown us that each Nation/Empire seeks Hegemony as the ultimate prize to control it’s destiny and it’s vassals. China, Russia are no different if given the opportunity.

    There was an interesting interview regarding China and it’s quest for power and control. Warren Pollock says China has grandiose plans for it’s own expansion just like every previous Empire in history. In the end each Nation is always on the path to dominate and ruin those who are beneath it. It’s “human nature”.

    http://usawatchdog.com/wave-coming-too-large-to-duck-under-warren-pollock/

  11. paulo1 on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 8:49 am 

    Greg T… Harper is on the way out with his rats deserting before the election. This will be seen as a bad time in our history…especially when the over heated housing market tanks. Interesting year coming up.

    Mulcair minority Govt?

  12. GregT on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 9:10 am 

    “Mulcair minority Govt?”

    I’m afraid that’s about as good as it can get Paulo.

  13. antaris on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 9:37 am 

    Great! Canada led by a fucking socialist. I hope not.

  14. GregT on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 9:41 am 

    Antaris,

    Can you think of a better option than an NDP minority government?

  15. antaris on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 9:59 am 

    I am not a fan of Harper but I voted for him last time. Minority governments don’t work as we saw previously. Alls they do is fight back and forth, and nothing gets done. Hopefully in another 4 1/2 years someone better will come along, either a Liberal or Conservative.
    I will vote either way if they have a good person.

  16. penury on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 11:32 am 

    Any thoughts of a positive nature on any national government? How about any political or financial leader? Do any of these countries claim to have free and honest ballot counting for their elections?

  17. Rodster on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 11:52 am 

    “Any thoughts of a positive nature on any national government? How about any political or financial leader? Do any of these countries claim to have free and honest ballot counting for their elections?”

    The world’s governments and economies are being run by the TBTF/TBTJ Banks. The political process and voting system is rigged no matter where you go.

  18. Apneaman on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 12:35 pm 

    Harper, Mulcair, Trudeau – rearranging deck chairs. Not one of those monkeys or any other over educated Canadian puppet has a fucking clue or the ability to prevent what is coming. Same everywhere.

    World Hasn’t Had So Many Refugees Since 1945, Report Says

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-17/world-hasn-t-had-so-many-refugees-since-1945-report-says

  19. Apneaman on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 1:09 pm 

    What is our beloved Stephan Harper going to do about this? The other guys? A tax break?……………………………………

    This Year Is Headed for the Hottest on Record, by a Long Shot
    Hottest May, hottest five months. It’s a scorcher.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-06-18/this-year-is-headed-for-the-hottest-on-record-by-a-long-shot

    May 2015 was warmest May on record;
    March–May and year-to-date also record warm

    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/global/201505

  20. BobInget on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 3:11 pm 

    We have a way of avoiding issues we have no power to change.
    Sure, there’s reporting on statistics, Apneaman shows us as much. Since when is science to be trusted over religion?

    Climate changes are indeed game changes.
    While always in the background, like the pink elephant in the bath-tub we prefer to go after more immediate problems like where to take a hot shower. Instead of figuring why an elephant
    used up all the hot water, we start shooting.

    Every year that passes climate changes stir more human conflict. There’s agreement there will be water wars as there are oil wars today.
    End of discussion.

    We tend to be reactive. We deal with each crisis as it happens with almost no introspection.
    (terror attacks are perfect metaphors. Clean up then revenge. Stop the next attack if possible
    by ANY means.

  21. Rodster on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 4:39 pm 

    “We tend to be reactive. We deal with each crisis as it happens with almost no introspection.”

    As John Michael Greer likes to refer to it as technological superstition. It means we tend to believe there is ALWAYS some sort of technology that will solve our current problems, tomorrow. So we sit and wait hopelessly on that technological savior but it never arrives meanwhile we continue with BAU knowing there awaits a solution in the future. After all, we invented the iPhone and selfies.

  22. Makati1 on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 8:24 pm 

    Davy, your phobias are showing. I live in a 1st world quality condo, on the edge of the business district where condos go for $100K and up. The pool is there, but I do not lie to swim, so I have never been in it, nor do I sit by it. I have better things to do with my time, like reading world news and keeping up with the changes.

    The ‘slums’ you speak of, are more like northern Philly in the US. Not the pictures that the US MSM post as examples of the Ps. That news is ALL slanted to make the ‘exceptional/indispensable’ country still look good.But the picture is fading for those who are not brainwashed 24/7/365.

    Keep up your rant if it makes you feel better. You seem to be just another American kept ignorant by your Ministry of Propaganda.

  23. Makati1 on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 8:35 pm 

    BTW Davy: The farm has an overseer who takes care of it currently. Many fruit and nut trees have been planted that require little work but time to grow. The crops are also low maintenance, like pineapple, taro, banana, coconut, sweet potato, etc. Permaculture is not the same as traditional farming or gardens. Perhaps your ‘overwork’ is because you are not/cannot use the same methods?

    The farm is part-time for the overseer and he earns P500 per week plus extra for extra work. P500 = ~$11/wk. I bet you cannot hire a teenager for that price for even a day. I am also paying his daughter’s college expenses and that cost me all of $300 last year.

    Different world outside the US…

  24. Davy on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 9:11 pm 

    Mak, you are not going to learn farming, permaculture, and prepping living in an apartment in the heart of a 12MIL people city. Move to the farm and start living it.

  25. GregT on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 9:32 pm 

    Antaris,

    “Alls they do is fight back and forth, and nothing gets done.”

    My point exactly, they have done more then enough damage already.

  26. GregT on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 9:51 pm 

    Davy,

    When are you ever going to show us some pictures?

  27. Apneaman on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 10:39 pm 

    After the collapse I’m gonna practice perma-cannibalism. Great EROEI. The only prepping required is a sufficient stock of Chianti and fava beans.

  28. Apneaman on Thu, 18th Jun 2015 11:30 pm 

    A child born today may live to see humanity’s end, unless…

    http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/18/a-child-born-today-may-live-to-see-humanitys-end-unless/

  29. Apneaman on Fri, 19th Jun 2015 6:51 pm 

    Islamic State Deepens Its Roots by Offering Important Services

    http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/islamic_state_deepens_its_roots_by_offering_important_services_20150616

  30. Makati1 on Sat, 20th Jun 2015 8:57 am 

    Davy, I already have decades of permaculture and gardening experience. no problems there and no learning curves. I learned from my grand parents when I was 5 and added to that knowledge and experience over the next 65 years. We do not plan to have a farm as you do. No machinery or plowing, etc. What cannot be done with hand tools will not be needed. Prepping can be done anywhere.

    As the land was granted to my friend’s family decades ago, it has taken some time to get it legally transferred from his dead parents, thru his siblings and into his name. He has just recently gotten the ~1,000 meter legal right-of-way thru the other bordering properties for road access. When the r-of-w has been cleared and graded, we can start construction. Hopefully by January, the beginning of the next dry season. Total investment in 12.5 acres, to date in USD, about $7,000 including paying the back taxes, surveying, deed transfers, etc. My last land purchase in the US cost me about $30,000 for one wooded acre 7 miles from town, in farm country. lol. The septic system there cost more than he has spent on owning his 5 hectares.

  31. davy on Sat, 20th Jun 2015 9:33 am 

    Mak, you like and bitch and moan about people not making an effort at producing food. Maybe you should just tell them how you are an absentee farmer who just throws money at it from afar. Mak, throwing money at something is not the same as doing it. Why not walk the walk instead of just talking. I say this because you are one of the biggest critics other than me on prepping.

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