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‘Transformation Is Happening’: Saudi Aramco’s Chief on Future of Oil

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As Saudi Aramco, the Saudi national oil company, prepares for a widely-awaited initial public offering next year, its chief executive, Amin H. Nasser, is at the center of the planning.

Mr. Nasser has run Aramco, which produces more oil than any other company in the world, since 2015, and also oversees a wide range of joint ventures and investments. Along with the public offering, Aramco is also crucial to Saudi-led efforts to cut oil production in an effort to buoy prices. Brent crude, the international benchmark, was above $100 a barrel in 2014 before tumbling sharply. It is now at about $60 a barrel.

He spoke to Stanley Reed, a New York Times reporter, on the sidelines of an event sponsored by the Oil and Gas Climate Initiative, a partnership of 10 international oil companies that aims to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from the industry.

Their conversation, edited for grammar, style and clarity, follows.

Q. How will the privatization, or initial public offering, help Saudi Aramco

A. I think that privatization will definitely elevate, first, our international visibility as a company, our decision-making strategies, and also our achievements to date, and our governance. We know that we have excellent governance. A lot is not known about Saudi Aramco in terms of performance and all of that. So a lot of numbers can be shared later on, when we are listed.

You will see, first of all, a lot invested in technology to add more value. While everyone else cut technology spending, we are increasing our technology spending. We have eight technology hubs outside Saudi Arabia, and three inside Saudi Arabia, for a total of 11. Two of our technology hubs focus on better fuel formulation, less carbon footprint, more efficiency in car engines.

That all will hopefully, at a certain point, be shared with investors when we are listed.

Do you have any doubt that the listing will happen?

No, the listing is happening. You have confirmation from the Crown Prince this week, and our minister of energy and the minister of finance, all the stakeholders in the kingdom. It is happening in 2018.

Is Aramco working on renewables, like wind and solar power?

It is an important element of our strategy, to get into renewables. The kingdom, as I said, is looking at producing 9.5 to 10 gigawatts by 2023. So yes, we are interested and we are going to be a major player in renewables.

Are your customers unhappy about your holding back production to honor your agreements with OPEC and Russia?

We have a long-term relationship with our customers. They appreciate our reliability, the quality of our products. We value all of these relationships. We are always there when the market goes down and there are not enough resources, because we do have the spare capacity and we always meet our obligations.

There is a requirement placed on the company, based on the cuts by OPEC members and non-OPEC members, and we are abiding by that guideline. Our customers and partners understand that issue and because of the long-term relationship, it is not impacting our business transactions with them. They value the partnership that we have together.

Are you losing market share?

Everything is temporary. We are in a market that is very dynamic, and so far things are going well. We are meeting our obligations in certain markets. And there has been no issue so far.

Oil Prices: What to Make of the Volatility

Over the last two and a half years, the oil industry experienced its deepest downturn since at least the 1990s.

Are you happy with how the production cuts are working?

We are seeing inventories go down, which is great. Don’t forget, it was just an additional supply of 2 million barrels that brought the price from $100 to $40. Now, you don’t want the opposite to happen. You need to make sure there is ample supply.

You need to make sure inventories are balanced in a way where it meets the objectives of both the consumers and producers. So inventories are going down, prices are moving upward as a result of that balance between supply and demand.

Is there concern in Saudi Arabia that as renewables rise in importance, oil could become a stranded asset and lose its value?

We don’t subscribe to that thought about stranded assets. We think that oil will have more value in the future, and that rational development of our oil assets should be done reasonably over a long time.

If you look today, the requirement is 98 million barrels per day. Over the last three years, demand has grown by 5 million barrels per day. Add to that, a natural decline of 5 percent in existing fields. So you need to bring additional crude reserves to the market to meet the natural decline, and to meet the additional demand that we are going to see.

So I think oil will remain for decades to come. Transformation is happening, but it is going to take a long time.

NY Times



105 Comments on "‘Transformation Is Happening’: Saudi Aramco’s Chief on Future of Oil"

  1. Davy on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 5:52 pm 

    “Don’t bother, I will be working again next week, so I will reduce posting or perhaps don’t post at all other than in case of black swan events.”

    Great new dumb n dutch, we can eliminate one extremist just one or two more and this board may become a respectable place normal people might visit.

  2. Cloggie on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 6:13 pm 

    “clog, if you’re so passionate about all your monkey tribe shit, how come you are online and not at these dumb rallies and marches? ”

    Because it is far more effective.

    Furthermore you know shit about what I do when am not online.

  3. Boat on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 6:22 pm 

    clog,

    greggiet and you make two who think your comments can be “effective”.

    Good luck with that.

  4. Davy on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 6:38 pm 

    “Furthermore you know shit about what I do when am not online.”

    when are you not online? Your easy chair must be worn out. Do you ever get up out of it?

  5. makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 6:54 pm 

    Cloggie, there are a few others here who like to make things up about those they despise. For instance, Davy has created a whole world and life for me to inhabit that would make Alice’s Wonderland look normal. It is out of desperation/frustration and delusion, I suspect. And way off the mark.

    He is not even smart enough to realize that I stopped replying to his rants some days ago. I read any comments that start with “Davy” so he is wasting his time trying to put me down. I don’t even smell his shit anymore. Not worth my time. He is a zero.

  6. makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 6:55 pm 

    Correction: ” I DO NOT read any comments that start with “Davy”…”

  7. makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 7:13 pm 

    Cloggie, I would appreciate your take on this article:

    “The Impending Islamization of Europe, the Soros Style”

    https://journal-neo.org/2017/10/31/the-impending-islamization-of-europe-the-soros-style-2/

    It is not very long.

  8. Davy on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 7:24 pm 

    LOL, now I am back on mad kat ignore list but he has to not ignore me to tell me he is ignoring me. Mad kat I was just on your most comment on list. Your gang is not supporting you these days so you don’t have the strength to battle me IOW, I won yet again neutering your extremist message. Your new gang member the dumb n Dutch guy says he is posting less soon. I have heard that before but if this is true you are going to be very alone. You will be easy prey. You best get prepared.

  9. Davy on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 7:25 pm 

    “Cloggie, I would appreciate your take on this article:”
    Puppy love. lol

  10. MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 7:31 pm 

    Davy haha So true. And notice they both share tons of fake news with one another…Never a real scientific paper or study. Or even a credible new organization. The reason they both love each other is because ‘Fanaticism and ignorance are forever busy and needs constant feeding”…

  11. Cloggie on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 7:40 pm 

    @makati, in 2002, when my wallet was full with money earned in Germany, I spend more than a year with unpaid online anti-Islamic activism to warn my fellow Dutch of the dangers of Islamization. So I take the subject very seriously. Now Europe begins finally to react. Eastern Europe and Russia are a big plus. And influence of the US and its Soros types is thankfully waning. There is currently serious effort underway to stop the influx. Furthermore I am not so negative about Macron. Remember that Putin was initially installed by (((olicharchs))), but as soon as Putin was in power, he did the only proper thing: throw them in jail like a sack of rotten potatoes. I begin to suspect that alleged Rothschild water carrier Macron could be good for a surprise or two. The first thing he did was to invite Putin to Versailles. Next Macron got along rather well with Trump.

    In conclusion, I am not as negative as your article.

  12. Cloggie on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 7:43 pm 

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/31/us/new-york-shots-fired/index.html

    More Told-you-so propaganda opportunities for Trump. Terror attack NYC.

  13. Davy on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 7:48 pm 

    Too late dumb n Dutch. Those Muslims are in bed making babies as we speak. You are screwed buddy and these is no one to blame but your dumb Dutch. You guys screwed up and now you are doomed to being second class citizens in your own country.

  14. makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 10:42 pm 

    Signs of 3rd world America…

    “Antifa Set To Terrorize America: Objective Is To “Cause Civil Unrest And Initiate Rioting In Many Major American Cities”

    http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/antifa-set-to-terrorize-america-objective-is-to-cause-civil-unrest-and-initiate-rioting-in-many-major-american-cities_10312017

    “Hollywood Elite Strike Back: Arrest Warrant Issued For Rose McGowan: “Are They Trying To Silence Me?”

    http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/hollywood-elite-strike-back-arrest-warrant-issued-for-rose-mcgowan-are-they-trying-to-silence-me_10312017

    “Kentucky Teachers Blast Pension Reform Plan; Warn That 401(k) Plans Will “Dismantle Public Education”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-31/kentucky-teachers-blast-pension-reform-plan-say-401k-will-dismantle-public-education

    “A Few Simple Charts Spell Disaster For Public Pension Ponzi Schemes”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-31/these-two-charts-spell-disaster-public-pension-ponzi-schemes

    “It’s Not Sustainable” – Sacramento Lashes Out At Calpers After Raising Pension Payments”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-29/its-not-sustainable-sacramento-lashes-out-calpers-after-raising-pension-payments

    And on and on…

    DEBT and terror is killing America.

  15. makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 10:46 pm 

    Cloggie, I think the EU has a chance to be what you want it to be, IF the US is taken out of the picture, as you mentioned. We shall see.

    Hopefully its problems at home will soon be serious enough that it cannot meddle in places it does not belong. A collapse would limit its ability outside North America. The rest of the world would breathe a sigh of relief.

  16. Cloggie on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 11:24 pm 

    “Too late Clogmeitster. Those Muslims are in bed making babies as we speak.”

    As usual you have no clue what you are talking about. They do not breed like rabbits but their number is stable: 4.9%

    https://nos.nl/artikel/2163084-het-aantal-moslims-stijgt-maar-met-hoeveel.html

    (Many people think it is 20%)

    In Holland we are still very far away from altright secessionist movements like in the US, who want to connect to Europe.

    https://youtu.be/rrm_JAnVKzI

    Nothing is lost for Europe, in contrast to the US.

    On a positive note, America is big enough for three countries. We’ll take the fashies.lol

    https://youtu.be/LBOTk00eMT4

    As makati says, after the breakup, the Soros types will no longer have a tool to threathen the world with. Sigh of relief indeed.

  17. MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 11:36 pm 

    Cloggie: Soros just donated almost his entire life savings to the Open Society for human rights..WOW such a horrible person…Donating almost all his life worth to charity for the less fortunate…You conspiratards never stop with your evidence free paranoia…Get yourself some medical help if not for you do it for your families sake..

  18. MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 11:40 pm 

    OMG Madkat I have never seen so much fake news posted in my life..You can tell you never attended college ever in your life. anti fa civil war? I am going to remember you posted that then laugh at you when it never happens. Geez for an Asian you really must have missed the genetic IQ lottery..Must have been a mutation….Now go hop into a storage container and try to relax…Maybe your paranoia will wear itself off…

  19. MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 11:42 pm 

    or better yet Madkat go for a nice dip in the garbage dump you call a river…You can swim with your brothers the nasty dirty stinky Asian carps…Just make sure to wear your goggles because you wouldn’t want those ugly slant eyes to get poisoned….lol

  20. makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 11:43 pm 

    MM, the egomaniac speaks…lol

    Soros is Satin personified. Look behind the curtain of that gift if you dare. Soros is currently funding the breakdown of America. He is being kicked out of one country after another because of his sedition. He is a mentally warped old man who should have died many years ago.

    Like Bill Gates, he uses his money to fund his own version of what the world should be. Both should be hanged. Soon, I hope.

  21. makati1 on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 11:44 pm 

    MM, again you prove my point. Immature…

  22. Cloggie on Tue, 31st Oct 2017 11:48 pm 

    Civil war scenes in Berkely, where “mastermind’s” antifa scum gets a thorough beating:

    https://youtu.be/IEekfL_4hYY

    “Soros just donated almost his entire life savings to the Open Society for human rights..”

    Naive bs. He uses third world immigration as a weapon against us. They are all the same and they killed America.

  23. makati1 on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 12:12 am 

    MM is just another brainwashed American serf. He assumes his pretend degree will make him look intelligent and important. But his words prove otherwise. He slides into the gutter with Davy with every post.

    My neighbor at the farm, who raises pigs and butchers them, is far more valuable to the future than any college degree. And, I doubt he even finished high school. There is another neighbor that has a large chicken business and another that raises fish in ponds. They are the future, not some self claimed chemist.

  24. Davy on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 5:19 am 

    “My neighbor at the farm, who raises pigs and butchers them, is far more valuable to the future than any college degree.”
    Mad kat, get a grip, it is a fantasy farm and it is in your head. You must have early onset dementia or Alzheimers. We have discussed this before did you forget. You are never at this farm. You are always in your westernized condo in Makati on the computer spreading hate here. This fantasy farm is in your boyfriends condo in your head. It might be his family farm but I doubt you have anything to do with it. You know next to nothing about farming. You never get your hands dirty. You are a fraud.

  25. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 5:35 am 

    Why would makati be at the farm all the time? To watch the potatoes grow? The farm could be a plan B for the case that “The grand Finale of Humanity” will set in (probably not in the life-time of makati or in this century or at all) I can imagine that at a tender age of 75 the lust for digging, sawing, weeding is not too great. So why would he if there are plenty of young hands around willing to do the heavy lifting for a tired dollar or two.

    It is the same with me: I have done vegetable gardening for 4 seasons, with increasing success. Now it gets repetitive. Vegetable gardening is not exactly rocket science. I now know how to do it but I prefer to spend my time on “higher tasks”, while my brain still works. The garden behind my house won’t walk away and can be restarted any moment. But I no longer really believe in collapse soon or even in my lifetime.

    You are a fraud.

    You are a nasty name-caller on par with your imperial guru apneaman.

  26. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 5:49 am 

    Just out of curiosity, the prices of Philippines real estate:

    https://www.olx.ph/real-estate/real-estate-for-sale/land-farm

    Ps peso = 2 dollar cent

    Your have a “farm” for $8,000 (370,000 peso):

    https://www.olx.ph/item/lot-for-sale-at-camella-frontiera-heights-ID8aogJ.html?h=6731168928

    And a lot for 600 peso or $12 per m2:

    https://www.olx.ph/item/lot-for-sale-ID8aoar.html?h=6731168928

    200 m2 –> $2400

    Peanuts even for a Westerner with a modest income. Next you hire a young guy for perhaps one dollar per hour and spend your time bitching with “the mule from Missouri” as a past-time.lol

  27. makati1 on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 6:21 am 

    Cloggie, You have it right. Our farm caretaker oversees what needs to be done when we are not there. His fee for this is about $100 per Month. We also support his two oldest in college, that costs another $50 per month. Why live there when the farmhouse is not finished? He lives just at the end of the road we are putting in so he also monitors who uses it.

    Farmland where the farm is located goes for about P100/sq.M ($2 US) or about $$8,000 US/acre for metric challenged Americans. A small lot, maybe 1,000 sq.M, in the nearby town goes for about P1M or $20,000 US. Location. Location, location.

    You can build a very nice house here for less than $50/sq.ft. with all conveniences and A/C that would look like any American or European house. Actually the farmhouse will cost less than $40/sq.ft. as it will not have all the bells and whistles Americans think they need. Just running water/sewer/electric/internet/cable and maybe A/C in my “granny suite” It is attached to, but separate from, the main house that my partner will live in.

    Our construction crew of four laborers and a foreman cost less than P16,000/per six day week TOTAL. (~$320.00 US) And they live on site. We provide shelter, food and TV which might add another $100 per week. We get 12 hours of sunshine here and they work all that time except for meals. Try that in the US or Europe.

    BTW: That wage is about 20% above average wages here. A laborer is not paid by the hour but by the day. About P400 most places, even in the city. And, yes, they live on site in the city also. Totally different culture.

  28. Davy on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 6:35 am 

    “Why would makati be at the farm all the time?”
    Because like you dumb n dutch he is a big talker. He talks about it all the time how he is there with the “People” and the heartbeat of Asia. He knows all about raising bananas, pineapples, and cassava roots. He does the same shit you do and that is brag and wag as you spread hate about others.

    “I can imagine that at a tender age of 75 the lust for digging, sawing, weeding is not too great. So why would he if there are plenty of young hands around willing to do the heavy lifting for a tired dollar or two.”
    LOL, you haven’t followed mad kat. He is the great farmer in the jungle with cobras. Double lol! I can’t wait till he reads this. You told on him.

    “You are a fraud. You are a nasty name-caller”
    I can tell I am getting through to you. Triple LOL. You are the fraud dumb n dutch and you are the one calling people names and spreading hate and discontent. You reap what you sow dumbass. I especially enjoy neutering you because you are so full of shit. A stupid Old Dutch guy that thinks he is smart because he is white and European. He has never been out of the Euro region and thinks he knows the world. He is an IT guy that is a self-proclaimed energy engineer that is proselytizing the cult of renewable energy and a new golden Euro Empire. What a joke. I will keep calling you out and you will not see an once of respect until you are gone. I promise you that like I promised mad kat. I keep my promises. Everything you say can and will be used against you and you are a wealth of BS.

  29. Davy on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 6:46 am 

    “Cloggie, You have it right. Our farm caretaker oversees what needs to be done when we are not there. His fee for this is about $100 per Month.”
    You are telling on yourself mad kat. You keep complaining that I hire people on the farm and look at you with the fantasy farm you are never at you have a $100 a month care taker.

    “You can build a very nice house here for less than $50/sq.ft. with all conveniences and A/C that would look like any American or European house.”
    Mad kat you can do that in the US too stupid. If you keep things simple and do the work yourself you can do a lot. Mad kat, what do you know about money and real estate? Your country has the GDP of my state with 16 times the population. The real costs are hidden in this overshoot. A vast amount of people are crammed into slums. You are a financial fraud.

    Mad kat, why are you not on this farm you preach about? Is it because you are an old man that needs to live retired and in comfort? It is your boyfriend that pays the bills. We know you could not afford that condo on you $1000 a month. The financial cost in any megaregion in any part of the world are high. My cost of living is much better than the financial district in Manila I can assure you that. These places are westernized and one is like another and you brag like you made a real change. You just transplanted far away from whatever was your failure in the US and talk like you did the smart thing. You confirm this in your mind by preaching hate and discontent daily. You and dumb n Dutch belong together as roommates so you can help each other across the street.

  30. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 6:53 am 

    you spread hate about others.

    The only one who is currently hating with foam on his lips is our esteemed empire-Dave, in the Ps aka “the mule from Missouri”.

    One furious attack:

    I can tell I am getting through to you. Triple LOL. You are the fraud dumb n dutch and you are the one calling people names and spreading hate and discontent. You reap what you sow dumbass. I especially enjoy neutering you because you are so full of shit. A stupid Old Dutch guy that thinks he is smart because he is white and European. He has never been out of the Euro region and thinks he knows the world. He is an IT guy that is a self-proclaimed energy engineer that is proselytizing the cult of renewable energy and a new golden Euro Empire. What a joke. I will keep calling you out and you will not see an once of respect until you are gone. I promise you that like I promised mad kat. I keep my promises. Everything you say can and will be used against you and you are a wealth of BS.

    /shrug

    “Oldtimers” like makati and myself have a relaxed attitude about things, as things are moving in the right direction.

    For you not so much.

  31. Davy on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 7:06 am 

    “Oldtimers” like makati and myself have a relaxed attitude about things, as things are moving in the right direction. For you not so much.”

    Then why can’t either of you just ignore me? You can’t because I am outing your fraudulent view of yourselves and others. I am showing how you are living in a fake world of revisions and fantasy futures. I am showing your many hypocrisies. You two dumbass old men can’t have your cake and eat it. You can’t talk shit then whine when you get shit back. What is amazing about both you dumbasses is how highly you rate yourselves as great and smart as you tear into others. If you want this to end quit being extremist with your bragging and shagging. Quit proselyting your agenda of hate and personal grandiosity. Moderate your extremism and you will not get a peep out of me. Otherwise I will moderate and neuter you which is so easy to do. You think cutting me down matters. You do that daily anyway. You think more stink my way is going to stop me? You do it anyway so it is just redundant BS.

  32. makati1 on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 7:14 am 

    Cloggie, Davy just keeps proving our evaluation of him with every post. And he refuses to see it. Isn’t the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? He is so full of hate and frustration that it is burning him up. He will never see our age if he keeps it up.

    And, yes, nothing is worth getting excited about. what will be, will be. No one knows what even the next minute will bring. Do I have another 20 years or 20 seconds? I don’t know or worry about it. I know that when it happens it is over. Lights out. Finished. Nothing after. So, who cares? I will never know or be able to regret. That is freedom.

  33. Hello on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 7:19 am 

    Clog, I have to ask.
    You seem like a reasonably intelligent guy. Yet you associate yourself with mak? Why?

    That guy has the logical thinking capability of a typical 14 or 15 year old. Everything is either all good or all bad. Nothing in between. Only that long gone canadian fellow ‘noobtube’ was worse.

    Show the world that europeans can think at a higher level, please.

    >>>> “Oldtimers” like makati and myself have a relaxed attitude about things

    No, not at all. Mak is constantly blabbering about how he hates the west. If he were relaxed he would say, I hate the US, I’m glad I don’t live there anymore, I don’t have to look back, I enjoy my new life.
    The constant hate justification of his move to a 3rd world hole tells a different story though.

  34. Davy on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 7:21 am 

    “Cloggie, Davy just keeps proving our evaluation of him with every post.”

    Mad kat, I thought I was on your double ignore list and here you go not ignoring me. It sucks being a stupid old man and getting your ass moderated and neutered.

  35. Davy on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 7:25 am 

    Hello is a beacon of reality and a real asset to this board. He has his personal views but he expresses them with respect and moderation. Mad Kat and dumb n dutch would do themselves a service to emulate him.

  36. makati1 on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 7:35 am 

    Hello, and you are a perfect example of rationality? LMAO

    Cloggie and I have more in common than you think. We both see the real world and present our views of where it is going. No delusions. No propaganda. No immature tantrums, just facts as we see them. That is difficult for an American behind the MSM Iron Curtain to understand.

    I hate what the US has become and is doing around the world. I point it out at every opportunity to those who are brainwashed to believe otherwise. I will continue to do so.

    Myself, and about seven billion others, are cheering it’s collapse. I feel sorry for those trapped there, but I do not hate them. I do blame them for continuing to support it and slurp up the bennies that it plunders in 3rd world countries. That makes them accomplices to the crime. Not innocent. Unfortunately, all I can do is watch as blow-back happens to America.

  37. Davy on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 7:43 am 

    “Cloggie and I have more in common than you think.”

    Wow, that free advice blew right over mad Kat’s head. IOW, mad kat will continue to look like a fool and destroy this board by making it a magnet for extremism and hate.
    Back to the msm iron curtain thingy. Let’s see, brainwashing, propaganda, and delusions. He feels sorry for those trapped as he talks about them getting NUKED. He talks about accomplices in crime when it is his generation that is the perpetrators of the worst crimes against humanity. Stand trial mad kat for your crimes. You cannot run and hide from them. Oh, billions are cheering him on. Lol. Talk about a personality issue if grandiosity.

  38. Hello on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 7:46 am 

    >>>> Cloggie and I have more in common than you think

    That’s what I’m afraid of. Doesn’t shine a good light on europe, well not on Holland at least. 🙂

  39. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 8:09 am 

    Cloggie and I have more in common than you think… That’s what I’m afraid of. Doesn’t shine a good light on europe, well not on Holland at least.

    I always liked makati over the past 5 years as a civilized and open-minded person, with very broad views, even if I ended up briefly 2-3 times on makati’s ignore-list.lol

    I have differences with him:

    – I have less apocalyptic views regarding the future of this planet
    – I think renewable technology is a great positive that has the potential to completely replace fossil fuel and should be promoted
    – makati has spiritually abandoned his homeland and is now more or less “homeless” and doesn’t seem to care. I in contrast have strong attachments to my country and European civilization and wish to see it continued as a Dutch/European society, “racism-callers” be damned.

    What we have in common is:

    – no illusions about the intentions of the empire
    – worries about the precariousness of the human condition in the 21st century. Makati thinks it is game over, I have more of a techie approach:

    http://tinyurl.com/yddhg3ds

    But I don’t care if other people have different views, in fact it makes them more interesting and I want to hear their side of the story, preferably in a civilized tone, to detect weak spots in my own views.

  40. Davy on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 8:18 am 

    Of course you like his anti-American puke. That fits right in with your adapted version. You both have similiar personality defects and you both are frauds. You are an extremist that does not tollorate other views. You attack them constantly and you are constantly here. This makes you an agenda salesman of the worst kind. Get a grip dumb n Dutch you are a lie and you peddle lies. You try to show that respectability you crave but you are a Nazi at heart and and a disgusting person who seeks a final solution and a resulting empire.

  41. Davy on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 8:27 am 

    How about this dumb n Dutch and Mad Kat, lets the three of us not comment for a week and see how the board does. Let’s do this for the others. I will be here but only watching. If either of you comment than this agreement is void. You know why that won’t happen becuase you two are selfish pricks who can’t even see you are hogging the board for your own personal agendas. Come on chumps. I dare you. I am all for a change. I am all for respect and moderation but not with double standards.

  42. Hello on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 8:31 am 

    >>> lets the three of us not comment

    that would be fun. 🙂

  43. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 8:38 am 

    Great new dumb n dutch, we can eliminate one extremist just one or two more and this board may become a respectable place normal people might visit.

    Davy doesn’t like discussions with heavy weights he can’t defeat in civilized verbal combat, because Davy doesn’t want to learn anything. He just want to propagandize the “respectable” US empire. So his opponents need to go.

    You and dumb n Dutch belong together as roommates so you can help each other across the street.

    I can run for more than an hour and bridge 12 km and do that 1-2 a week. Can you? The rollator is at least 20 years away, knock-on-wood.

  44. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 8:45 am 

    >>> lets the three of us not comment
    that would be fun.

    Davy has trouble grasping what a discussion board is ment to be: to discuss. But poor Davy isn’t able to suppress free speech including opinions he doesn’t like and is bothered by it. Now he proposes for everybody to shut up.

    Quite the debater, this Davy chap.

  45. Davy on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 8:46 am 

    I do the same run dumb n Dutch. I also lift weight and work a 500 acre farm IMA with 50 goats and 15 cattle. I don’t eat at all for a full day and night twice a week too. How big is your penis or do you have a pussy? Lol. Let’s go off line for a week pussy. Let’s see how tough you really are. Talk to you buddy Mad Kat, if you are interested. He ignores that he ignores me so he won’t respond except maybe to you.

  46. Boat on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 8:49 am 

    Why is every topic painted with such a broad brush? I like Europe for example partly because I assume I have distant relatives over there. Do I think they are crazier than Americans? You have football gangs that show up days early to fight, warm up for the game day fight. Your turn

  47. Hello on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 9:16 am 

    >>> Do I think they are crazier than Americans?

    europeans are less crazy for the good and for the bad.

    Europeans still have a more intact cultural
    straitjacket. This in general keeps them closer to the path of ‘normal’.

    Americans don’t come with that cultural baggage and are because of that more inclined to ‘crazy’ behavior.

    Crazy behavior of course means 2 things, on the negative it’s more and weirder crimes and general anti-social behavior. On the positive it means more innovation and thinking outside the box.

  48. Boat on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 9:44 am 

    Hello,

    It may not seem like it on the news but most of us are law abiding, tax paying, good neighbor when there is trouble, cliques mostly/small groups of friends, blame the gov but support the nation, hobbies oriented. We do embrace other cultures at malls, restaurants, golf courses etc, just don’t ask us over for dinner.

  49. Hello on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 9:51 am 

    >>> most of us are law abiding

    yes, I know.
    But the outliers are bigger, the spread. Again, for the good and for the bad.

    The craziness of silicon valley for example is unique in the world.

  50. Davy on Wed, 1st Nov 2017 10:31 am 

    Hello, I can tell you know the US from your many travels. As you know it is a big country. The degree of diversity of “crazy” is large. The crime differences are also large. Drug problems differ. The various micro cultures from ethnities to ways of life vary greatly. We are generally less culturally stable but with a lot of particulars.

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