Saudis See Oil-Freeze Deal Possible in November, Not This Week

55 Comments on "Saudis See Oil-Freeze Deal Possible in November, Not This Week"

rockman on Tue, 27th Sep 2016 8:50 pm 



“The IMF says the Saudis need oil close to $67 a barrel to square the books.” If one were to search history of KSA “books” (i.e. their budgets) they will find their budgets were built at around their future revenue projections. Which why the KSA ran HUGE budget surpluses as a result of the HUGE increase in the price of oil. Once the KSA projections of future revenue increased dramatically not terribly surprising so did their future budget projections. Much high er revenue streams not only allowed a big increase in the sovereign fund as well as more subsidies to its citizens.

And now revenue has fallen significantly. So how much of a surprise that the FUTURE planned budget for subsidies for the public are being reduced to match its current revenue in addition to the sovereign being drawn down.

FYI the KSA oil export revenue has returned the same level as seen in the first half of 2009 after the price collapse of late ’08. The current oil export revenue is the same or a bit higher then the majority of the years between 1983 and 2002.

IOW the KSA doesn’t need $67/bbl to “square their books”. They simple need to reduce their future budgets to match their future revenues. Just how they’ve usually done for most years over the decades.

makati1 on Tue, 27th Sep 2016 9:14 pm 



“My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel.” – Sheikh Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum, the founding father of Dubai

I think they will have to shorten that quote by at least one generation. lol

makati1 on Tue, 27th Sep 2016 9:48 pm 



In other, REAL news:

“Tanzanian, Icelandic, Estonian, Norwegian and Japanese children are the world’s fittest while Mexican, Peruvian, Latvian, and American kids are the least fit. That’s according to a new study by Justin Lang, a PhD candidate at the University of Ottawa, published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine.”

Tanania 97 percentile rank.
Philippines 42 percentile rank.
US 32 percentile rank.

http://qz.com/791070/study-says-tanzanian-children-are-the-worlds-fittest-while-american-kids-are-among-the-least-fit/

Yes, this is from Quartz, but that does not make it less correct.

godq3 on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 10:04 am 



^^ “The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-25/american-babies-are-no-longer-mostly-non-hispanic-white

Cloggie on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 10:34 am 



@godq3: Bloomboig loves it. They think their group will from now on reign even more supreme in America.

Fortunately for the poor American whites there are still the European cousins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_du_Motier,_Marquis_de_Lafayette

1776 could happen again, this time not directed against the British, but against another group. And again the Europeans will tilt the balance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqkcxbRSzDw

http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4486/8rrlwfhb_jpg

Undo 1945, undo 1776.

Apneaman on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 11:41 am 



Clogged, ever been to America and taken a look around? Seen the people? Talked to them? Watched them waddle? They have zero in common with those from 1776. Many colonial women refused to buy British manufactured goods (hit where it hurts) and often had no subsitute. A consuming boycott. Not a chance in hell of a modest sacrifice like that happening today in the US or any western country. The good life domesticated and emasculated the sheeple many decades ago. 4 years ago more Americans went black Friday shopping than voted in the election. What would be the clarion call for a new revolution? We want more! We want more! We just don’t want to have to leave the couch.

Tilt the balance? There’s an understatement if there ever was one. Just going by the numbers – men, materials, ships, money, etc, it was clearly a French vs British proxy war. Not that those who fought don’t deserve credit, but without the French it would have been just one more easily crushed peasant revolt relegated to the back pages of history.

Cloggie on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 11:52 am 



@apey: you are completely misreading the rise of Trump. This election is about one thing only: demography, The Wall and a total disgust with the globalist establishment, on the side of the Reps.

In Europe a similar development is happening: “we don’t want to become overrun”.

This will evolve into armed conflict and secession.

shortonoil on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 12:22 pm 



Still trying to jaw bone the price higher. This getting to look like they are trying to stir a cadaver out of its casket after three years? We wonder if they have been talking to Dr. Jeckel. Perhaps they haven’t noticed, but Mr. Hyde is dead!

rockman on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 12:59 pm 



Cloggie – “demography”. I fully agree. We’ve always had the left and right sides of the “fence”. Now is seems to be evolving into left and right “universes”. And as resources become less available (as the influx into Europe is bringing about) it could develop into two truly different “dimensions”. After all that’s what Hitler took advantage of and look at what that led to. Then it was “damn Jews and Gypsies”. Next time maybe it will be the “damn Muslims and Arabs” that might require a “final solution”.

Plantagenet on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 1:35 pm 



@rockman

Or it might go the other way, i.e. the Muslims saying “damn unbelievers and heretics.”

Of course ISIS already saying that, but we are lucky that they don’t have WMDs as yet.

Cheers!

Cloggie on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 1:50 pm 



In Germany since August 2015 the childless traitor and George Soros drone Merkel let in more than 1 million fighting age young Muslim men, who secretly or not so secretly despise the West and the infidel.

Germany has an army of 59,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Army

Go figure.

Nevertheless this mass immigration is key to destroy the status quo and get history “on the move again”, after the end of playtime, aka the American Era.

Won’t be long until a European Putin or Trump will appear at the scene.

Perhaps Marine le Pen, perhaps somebody else.

Drama will return and life will not be boring. Terrible perhaps, but not boring.

Apneaman on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 1:54 pm 



Clogged, I don’t want to be overrun either, but there are much bigger forces in play. Migration is one of the cornerstones of evolution and it’s a force more powerful than any number of nation states. An unstoppable force. Ain’t seen nothing yet. As the consequences of overshoot months and the desertification of many places spread and the water runs out the hoards will come in droves.

The POTUS don’t have the power you think they have. CEO of BAU with a few pet projects allowed as long as they are no serious threat to BAU.

Let me share with you a couple of guys I consider interesting thinkers. I don’t necessarily agree with everything they say, I just like to share. Probably has to do with that stupid “Free To Be You & Me” album and book my parents indoctrinated us with.

The Election Myth

http://hipcrimevocab.com/2016/09/27/the-election-myth/

This guy is from the Netherlands

You’ve got to understand: Donald Trump is a ruse.

https://www.reddit.com/r/accountt1234/comments/4r4adj/youve_got_to_understand_donald_trump_is_a_ruse/

Another one from him. He has plenty to say.

The Netherlands in 2016: Still falling apart

https://www.reddit.com/r/accountt1234/comments/5377qe/the_netherlands_in_2016_still_falling_apart/

Plantagenet on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 2:13 pm 



@Apneaman

Your belief that “migration…is an unstoppable force” is only true if the door is left often to immigrants. Close the door, and they can’t get in.

Hungary, for instance, is doing a rather good job of slowing immigration, and all they did was build a razor-wire fence on their border.

Cheers!

Cloggie on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 2:41 pm 



I don’t want to be overrun either

http://senthil.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Vancouver_ChinaTown_Senthil.ca.jpg

You already are, albeit by a people with considerable more inner civilization than the absolute dangerous trash we are stuck with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1NMuTyVjbg

But Chinese have strong racial pride and don’t believe in “integration” and “multiculturalism”, all empty inventions by the globalist Soros types, who want to ram the entire world in a single power structure, owned by them.

but there are much bigger forces in play. Migration is one of the cornerstones of evolution and it’s a force more powerful than any number of nation states. An unstoppable force. Ain’t seen nothing yet. As the consequences of overshoot months and the desertification of many places spread and the water runs out the hoards will come in droves.

Here is another force: civil war, ethnic cleansing and secession. There will be a counter reaction. My hope is that it will not be too right-wing.

Fortunately Africa hasn’t the boats to transport millions more and you still can’t traverse the Mediterranean by swimming.

Trump wants a wall? In Europe they are being build already, everywhere on the Balkans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVzn-ebw6vA

It is no longer possible for a gate crasher to travel to Germany via Turkey-Greece.

The only remaining leak is via Italy and the EU “border protection authority” Frontex that operates as a taxi service for African colonizers on orders of the traitors in Brussels. But France is no longer keen on taking in more colonizers from Italy and Switzerland never was to begin with.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3122981/Police-disperse-blocked-migrants-France-Italy-border.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX73ggsMNEI
(Kunstler’s ‘superfluous people’ in action in Italy)

The entire European establishment of US satraps fears a Trump victory, because they know they will be toast, like like their colleagues in Eastern Europe in 1989 and we all know what happened to them:

http://www.thedailypedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ceausescu.jpg

It ain’t pretty.

Let’s hope that Merkel will manage to escape to Chile just like her former boss Erich Honecker, exactly as suggested by AfD EU-parliament member Beatrix von Storch in a talkshow on prime time tv:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfxlEKK-F-c

Apneaman on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 3:21 pm 



Thanks Old Dutch for the picture of Vancouver Chinatown I have spent many a day wandering through since 1977. Yeah, Vancouver is the only city in N America with a long standing Chinatown.

The Chinese have been there for over 220 years, did the most dangerous jobs building the railroad through the Canadian rockies, have paid their taxes, fought in the wars and behaved themselves and contributed to the building of Vancouver and Canada as much or more than any other group of immigrants. They are invested in the Canadian status quo as much as any Canadian whites are or any group. The first of my people only got here in the late 1800’s and the rest 35 years later. So by your retard logic, who’s got more rights?

Apneaman on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 3:25 pm 



Planty, so far evolution is batting 1000% on migration, so I’ll need to see it to believe it. Still under the illusion that the humans are in control eh? Little more time will remedy that. How y’all humans doing controlling all that permafrost melt and heave with your roads and buildings up there in Alaska?

Cloggie on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 3:58 pm 



who’s got more rights?

Dumb leftist question. Weaker people become overrun by stronger people. Might makes right. That’s the law of life and history.

The Chinese have been there for over 220 years

How many? 2? 5? 20?

Oh wait…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown,_Vancouver

Vancouver experienced large numbers of immigrants from the Asia Pacific region in the last two decades of the twentieth century, most notably from China, whose population in the Vancouver Census Metropolitan Area was estimated at 300,000 in the mid-1990s.[3] A significant development since the 1980s onwards has been the increase of transnational awareness among the Chinese.

200 years my foot. Vancouver was p* away on your watch, no surprises here.

The first of my people

I’m now really getting curious of who “your people” might be. Ghung confided when asked that he was “English, English and English” (and clearly proud of it). Wonder if you have the same pride. Methinks not.

Apneaman on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 5:30 pm 



Old Dutch, if it came down to choosing between you and the chinese, I’d go into my closet and get my deer rifle out and blow your shriveling heart out of your puny chest, then light a smoke and leave you for the scavengers. Wouldn’t feel any different than shooting a deer or elk. Dose that still qualify me as a PC lefty you fucking peice of shit nazi rape spawn? If your country ever grows a pair and actually stands up for itself by spilling blood and having theirs spilled then you will be allowed a seat at the table, but until such time get the fuck back in the submission position where you belong bitch and have been for at least the century or so. Fucking nation of cowardly boot licking, passive sissy boys. Never lifted a finger in WWI or WWII. A nation of weaklings. Europe’s door matt. Keep talking it up. You keep celebrating retard future fantasies of glorious victories of shit that has not happened and never will. That’s why you made Trump your Hero-Daddy – won’t find any balls in the Netherlands so you need to go adopt one from retard land. What a pathetic old loser you are.

Rick Bronson on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 6:11 pm 



Saudis already agreed to take the cut. Details are not in yet.

They are beaten in their own game.
Brave Americans, Russians and Iranians stood the heat and maintained their output.

We should not forget the resiliency of automakers especially in selling their Electric vehicles in the face of low gas prices.

Cloggie on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 6:26 pm 



Ouch, touched a nerve with Friday here, who clearly feels cornered and is mad as hell. As expected, he loves to fulminate against nations with a clear identity, but refuses to say who “his people” are, he pretends to stand up for. He prefers his ambush position from where he can shoot, but refuses to be a man and reveal his own background. Sissy. At least my other favorite NWO opponent ghung was man enough to take a stand.

Friday has no identity and wants to be a “citizen of the world” until he finds out, when it is too late, that most of the other people of the world remain loyal to their heritage and simply take over and Friday has become a stranger in his own land.

Next he will become a depressed nihilist, like so many North-American whites, with receding life expectancy and health, who correctly see no future for himself and begins to drink and posts sensationalist messages that the world will go under soon… to find a rationalization for his depression and nihilism, avoiding discussing the real reason, namely that he has no home.

Fortunately there are still real Canadians, future allies of Europe after the right-wing takeover, who hate with passion what is happening to Vancouver and other cities in BC:

http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2015/08/destruction-of-richmond-british-columbia-through-chinese-migration.html

http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2014/05/chinese-and-whites-in-british-columbia.html

After being an overwhelming majority in Metro Vancouver up until the 1980s, whites will make up only two out of five residents by the year 2031, according to projections done for Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

That’s fifteen year’s from now.

The entire region of Richmond adjacent to Vancouver centre has been so overwhelmed by Chinese immigrants that it now resembles a huge Chinatown with Chinese only signs.

Current whites [like our Friday] offer us delusional dreams about racial assimilation and togetherness on the supposition that whites are the only ethnic groups capable of racism. It does not occur to them that the racism of non-Whites may be far cruder since they lack any notion of civic citizenship and a universal “we”.

Mind you, not my words, but from Canadians who see their country going down the drain. Canada, a country with an extremely positive aura throughout the world and always (until recently) on top of all these feel good rankings and for instance for Dutch folks who wanted to emigrate always the #1 choice, is going under because there are too many Friday creep’s around crying ‘racism’, while writing the death warrant of their own country.

Friday is not worthy of a country.

Apneaman on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 6:54 pm 



Old dutch I feel nothing for the humans in any country. They are a walking, screeching, terminal cancer patient that will not live out this century. And I’m the one pushing the buttons. Fuck sakes anyone paying attention could easily have caught me arguing against myself a hundred times already. A little monkey like you who is totally ruled by his primitive tribal emotion would never clue in to the obvious. 72 years old and not one ounce of wisdom gained – like the man said “the unexamined life is not worth living”. You’re also a humorless fuck and no one should ever trust those people. I’m only here to help the open minded see the light. See the meaninglessness and pettiness of it all and how the only thing that matters is your people. The nation state is not your people – it’s a fabricated by product of industrialization that will be breaking up soon. The people you know are your people. Do you have people old dutch, or just the intertubes? Do you ever have any thought other than your neoreactionary future fantasies? Fact of the matter is you is just too damn easy. I feel bad. My grandmother would be disappointed in me for toying with a retard. Get along now. Carry on with the telling/yelling about the alt energy, right white utopia just around the corner. Trump gonna fix you up with some real good solar panels. The Old Dutch future is white & bright and nothing can stop it.

Goodbye World: We’ve Passed the Carbon Tipping Point For Good

“It’s a banner week for the end of the world, because we’ve officially pushed atmospheric carbon levels past their dreaded 400 parts per million. Permanently.”

“What’s so terrifying about this number? For several years now, scientists have been warning us that if atmospheric carbon were allowed to surpass 400 parts per million, it would mark a serious “tipping point” into some unstoppable climate ramifications. In 2012, the Arctic was the first region on Earth to cross this red line. Three years later, for the first time since scientists had begun to record them, carbon levels remained above 400 parts per million for an entire month.”

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/goodbye-world-weve-passed-the-carbon-tipping-point-for-good

makati1 on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 8:12 pm 



Ap, 14 generations ago (1734), my ancestor, a ship’s captain, decided to leave Austria and immigrate to the new country, North America, now known as the US. I have my family tree that goes all the way back to him. I had a good life there. Then the US became a 3rd world nation. I decided to leave that worn-out, dumbed down, obese, non-democratic, debtor nation for a new country and a new life, the Philippines. No regrets. Perhaps that is how my ancestor felt about his move.

BTW: Manila contains the oldest Chinatown in the world, founded in 1594. It is a very popular shopping area, with a long history of trading. The Chinese have been here a long time and total about two million currently, including tourists. Approximately 27% of the Filipino population have some Chinese blood.

No matter where we reside, climate change is going to affect us. Artificial lines drawn on a map are invisible to Mother Nature. Other than being suicidal as a species, we are no different then any other mammal, as we are finding out. I appreciate your references to ecological current events. They are the only ones that count.

BTW: I spent a weekend in Vancouver 10 years ago and thought it might be a good place to live, but too cold in the winter.

JuanP on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 10:20 pm 



“OPEC reaches oil production cut deal for November”
https://www.rt.com/business/360988-opec-deal-limit-oil/
Oil prices went up 5-6%

makati1 on Wed, 28th Sep 2016 11:29 pm 



JunaP, and they will go back down. Today? Tomorrow? The players in the market casino are getting delirious as the end approaches. Ditto for the neocons. 40 days until America decides if it wants war or peace. Insanity rules in America. Fun to watch from the outside, but not to live there.

Cloggie on Thu, 29th Sep 2016 4:10 am 



I feel nothing for the humans in any country. They are a walking, screeching, terminal cancer patient that will not live out this century. And I’m the one pushing the buttons. Fuck sakes anyone paying attention could easily have caught me arguing against myself a hundred times already.

Applied nihilism in action. No further questions, your honor.

rockman on Thu, 29th Sep 2016 5:35 am 



Mak – “The players in the market casino are getting delirious as the end approacheshe players in the market casino are getting delirious as the end approaches”.

Just want make sure everyone understands that you’re referring to the oil FUTURES market. Which means folks betting on what futures contracts will be selling for in 30 has been a tad volatile.

makati1 on Thu, 29th Sep 2016 6:34 am 



Rockman, I look at the market numbers most everyday. I do not have any financial interest, just curiosity. It is the whole market going nuts and more proof of the ongoing collapse in everything.

I have zero interest in ‘futures’ or any other faux numbers. I watch the insanity as the market gyrates on any plus or minus comment or happening in the world. It should be about 60% to 80% lower than it is.

I am simply awaiting the crash to know how much time I have to leave Manila and move to the farm. Not that it will be unsafe here in the city, just that I will know that the lies are over and reality is hitting the deniers hard between the eyes with that 2X4.

It will mean I am not going back to the US again. And that the end of the internet is nigh. Or so I think.

Cloggie on Thu, 29th Sep 2016 1:51 pm 



Excellent news, the higher the oilprice, the better it is for solar and wind projects.

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/opec-deal-das-oel-kartell-baeumt-sich-noch-einmal-auf-a-1114496.html

Production 750k bd less than in the Summer.

Unclear if Russia will will participate.

Boat on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 4:59 pm 



clog,

Clear up some right wing European questions for me.

In your deep state scenario, is the US controlled by Jews?

Is that control global?

Do the Jews control both oil and renewable?

Have Europe’s skin heads gone green or were they always environmental leaning.

Are the Jews responsible for mass migration and just part of a master plan?

Cloggie on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 5:55 pm 



First question: yes

No, not global control. US + Canada + EU (Western Europe rather) + Turkey + KSA + Japan + Ukraine + a lot lesser important vassals.

Definately not Russia, China, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, India

US strategy is to first regain control over Russia by bringing down Putin and then go after China. Russia and China know the score and have setup an alliance that can’t be beaten by the US.

Don’t understand that oil/renewable question.

Skinheads no longer exist.

Mass migration: yes. Soros tip of the iceberg. History immigration USA:
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf

The goal is to wipe out nations and national identity by encouraging mass migration to dilute old nation states. Goal is One World, the old communist dream of one egalitarian World Commune, run by Trotsky-Soros types.

You begin to ask the right questions, boat. There is still hope for you.

ghung on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 6:18 pm 



Cloggo said; “At least my other favorite NWO opponent ghung was man enough to take a stand.”

Yeah,, keep me out of it. Besides, I think Ap has you pretty well figured out.

Cloggie on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 6:42 pm 



I think Ap has you pretty well figured out.

Friday and you are one of a kind and think alike. It is not a matter of “figuring it out”, but of political choices and general world view. I don’t think there is much to be “figured out” about me as I present my views in brutal clarity.

There are One Worlders and there are those who prefer a segregated, compartmentalized world. Never the Twain Shall Meet… well apart from the battle field that is. And that battle field will be North America for a change.

Yeah,, keep me out of it.

Perhaps you should reconsider forum membership, it’s not for the faint-hearted. If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

I’m already surprised that peak yeast didn’t came to your aid for an embarrassing third time.

ghung on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 7:18 pm 



Cloggie said; “There are One Worlders and there are those who prefer a segregated….”

And there are binary thinkers who want the rest of us to think people can be put into two categories.

BTW: If you saw how I live, you would feel like an idiot calling me a “One Worlder”. The only “One World” I see is the one that’s fucked, and that includes you. The future is coming for you Cloggie, and all of your hubris will fail catastrophically.

makati1 on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 7:28 pm 



The world is made up of about 196 countries. Have you ever tried to herd cats Cloggie? You would have a better change of making them all go in one direction than you ever will having 196 countries become one.

Cloggie on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 7:30 pm 



Me, hubris? As we speak there is only one #1 hubris champ that thinks it can have it all and that’s Washington.

And when you say that “we are losing WW3”, that can mean only one thing: that you identify with the ones who are waging “WW3” (Ukraine, Syria, South China Sea) and losing it.

But we have been through this before.

America, like the USSR of former fame, can’t exist if the globalist intention won’t be realized. It will lose its raison d’être. That’s what we are going to witness next: collapse. Not because oil runs out or our the heavens will descend on us but because and empire will come to and end because it ventured to force people together from all corners of the globe that should never have lived together.

Cloggie on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 7:32 pm 



Have you ever tried to herd cats Cloggie?

I am not the one who thinks that 196 cats can be herded into one cage, makati.

I thought that we were on one page at least on this one.

ghung on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 7:53 pm 



Gosh Cloggo, you can’t get away from the fact that your little swamp has hitched itself to a falling star. Not WW3, as you posit, just the way things are. As goes the US, so goes the West.

At least your people have wind power and know how to grow food. Good luck defending your borders.

BTW: Seems the Dutch have been loading up on US Treasuries lately. Big whoops?

makati1 on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 8:24 pm 



Cloggie, sorry if I misunderstood your stand on the One World idea. ???

Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 4:00 am 



As goes the US, so goes the West.

Absolutely and it will be replaced by the North centered around Paris-Berlin-Moscow:

http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4486/8rrlwfhb_jpg

And if you behave you can be part of it as well. We’ll make you border guard in the middle of your Appalachians so you don’t have to eat just pickles.

sorry if I misunderstood your stand on the One World idea. ???

Essentially I am with Samuel Huntington, who believed in a “birds of a feather” multi-polar world where the boundaries are defined by ancient civilizations. Our brothers from the Islamic State are already pointing in that direction.lol

https://www.amazon.com/Clash-Civilizations-Remaking-World-Order/dp/1451628978/ref=sr_1_1

Seems the Dutch have been loading up on US Treasuries lately. Big whoops?

You are probably mixing us up with the Belgians:

http://www.hangthebankers.com/why-the-hell-is-belgium-buying-so-much-us-debt/

It’s not easy to keep all these fruit flies apart, eh?

makati1 on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 6:29 am 



Cloggie: “Absolutely and it will be replaced by the North centered around Paris-Berlin-Moscow:”

Berlin … deep in debt with a failed banking system. Over run with Arabs.

Paris … Never was a strong nation. Even weaker now. More Arabs.

Moscow … Sorry. they have turned East and will wait for your fall along with America. Putin is smarter than the average bear.

If you mean tribes after the breakup, maybe then, but there will be nothing left to unite with.

BTW: I thought the “west” was the US, the UK, Canada, Germany, Italy, and France? They will ALL go down with the US unless they dissolve NATO, the EU, give up the idea of a EU army, kick all American troops and weapons systems out of Europe and kiss (not a misspell) Putin’s ass often. Otherwise, it’s bright mushrooms over those and your cities when the Empire commits suicide. All dying empires go to war as a last resort. This one will be nuclear.

Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 7:18 am 



Berlin … deep in debt with a failed banking system. Over run with Arabs.

Debt and failing banking systems are merely bad news for pensioners like you. Just endure a (probably global) financial reset/debt jubilee and start all over again. And if Germans can kick out 10 million hyper intelligent Jews from Europe between 1942-1944, these IQ80 unarmed Allah dummies will not be a big problem. Europe has thrown out Muslims 4 times before on a giant scale.

Paris … Never was a strong nation.

Sure, typical AngloZionist thinking…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWM8EYUJc3Y
[0:34] [*]

…ignoring that you got your military buts kicked by the North-Vietnamese, a former French colony. Without the frogs you probably would be still a British colony, tough guy.

https://napoleon1812.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/faur-69-in-the-kremliin-moscow-17-october0000.jpg
French occupation of Moscow, after overrunning the rest of Europe first. The Jerries never managed to do that, although it was close (50 miles).

Moscow … Sorry. they have turned East and will wait for your fall along with America. Putin is smarter than the average bear.

They haven’t really turned East, only in your imagination:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gvbS09gN80
Putin says at [16:39] Francois Mitterrand spoke of a European confederation with Russia as a member. I think this opportunity still exists. We will have it in the future.

Mind you, he said that in June 2014, *after* EuroMaidan.

The Chinese know they are Russia’s plan B:

http://russia-insider.com/en/china-fears-it-merely-russias-plan-b/ri15401

EU 500 million
Russia 150 million
China 1400 million

If you stare at these figures for a minute the Eurasian geopolitical future is quasi imposing itself on a modestly intelligent observer. Russia owns a virtual empty Siberia. Neither the Russians nor the Europeans want the Chinese to show up at the Ural mountains. But Paris-Berlin-Moscow will only materialize after the world has been “de-Americanized” 1989-style. Which means that America has fallen apart along racial lines and as such neutralized itself.

If the people from fly-over country fail to detach themselves from Washington and the Europeans fail to intervene on the side of the constitutionalists (read: whites, Alex Jones types), this will be the alternative future of the world, as predicted by George Orwell in 1948, painting with a very broad brush:

Oceania run by Jews (pink)
Paris-Berlin-Moscow (Christian, purple)
China (Confucian, green)
Islamic State run by Turkey (yellow)

World map according Orwell:

http://tinyurl.com/hwvf4xz

Until one of the following happens Europe and Russia need to exercise damage control and don’t move:

– US civil war initiated by this:
http://www.unz.com/freed/undocumented-shopping-legacy-of-an-african-president/

– US-Chinese confrontation in the South China Sea

If Trump would be elected, WW3 would be called off and Europe could begin to realize its decades old intention of setting up a EU army, sold to the US as burden sharing, but that can be used later on when the inevitable chaos in the US will develop.

[*] I agree with Friedman that Turkey is going to be a major power (as the natural leader of Islam)

https://twitter.com/a0an0/status/777939483324997632

Davy on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 7:50 am 



What a joke Cloggie and Makati! arguing about who’s region is going to be the next thousand year Reich. LMFAO again

makati1 on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 7:59 am 



Cloggie… “Debt and failing banking systems are merely bad news for pensioners like you. Just endure a (probably global) financial reset/debt jubilee and start all over again.”

You really are delusional, aren’t you. you need to get your meds checked, old man. I’m not the one living in a flyspeck country in a climate that needs huge energy inputs to survive. You ASSUME I am a “pensioner” needing an income from the Empire to survive. You ASSUME because you do not know what my resources and situation really is and I have been careful to not tell anyone here more than I want them to know and maybe a few red herrings to confuse the curious.

As for the ‘reset’ and more BAU, you really are in need of some education or a change in your drugs. Your Eurocentric ideas are fantasy. Europe is going down when the SHTF. No “reset”. A totally different world you obviously are in denial of.

All your refs mean nothing. I can find a hundred refs supporting any idea I can come up with. The internet is full of bullshit that many take for truth. Obviously.

Davy on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 8:08 am 



“I’m not the one living in a flyspeck country in a climate that needs huge energy inputs to survive.” What do you call Manilla then Makai!

Davy on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 8:10 am 



“All your refs mean nothing. I can find a hundred refs supporting any idea I can come up with. The internet is full of bullshit that many take for truth. Obviously.”

Makati!, quit the hypocrisy.

Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 8:59 am 



makati says I can find a hundred refs supporting any idea I can come up with. The internet is full of bullshit that many take for truth. Obviously.

Fine. Give me a single ref where Putin says that he wants to build a confederation with China.

Don’t waste your time, there isn’t any.

ghung on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 9:15 am 



Cloggo; “Fine. Give me a single ref where Putin says that he wants to build a confederation with China.”

Russia and China will further work for the bilateral relations development.

“Relations between Russia and China represent overall strategic partnership and “have good prospects for the future,” Putin said, adding that both countries “build relations on the bilateral interests.””

Vladimir Putin’s China Visit Put His Weakness on Full Display

“How do you say ‘kowtow’ in Russian?

Ever since Sino-Russian ties began to warm up a few years ago, observers have been wondering how Russia would get used to its junior status in this unequal partnership.

With his fifth visit to Beijing on June 25, which lasted less than 24 hours, Russian President Vladimir Putin has finally given us some clues.”

Putin in China: The Russian-Chinese Alliance

“Though it has received minimal attention in the West, last week Putin completed his 15th visit to China where he held intensive talks with the Chinese leadership led by Chinese President Xi Jinping.

This came directly after Putin met Xi Jinping at the immediately preceding Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit in Tashkent. According to Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang, whom Putin also met in Beijing, Xi Jinping has met Putin more often than he has met any other foreign leader “.

Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 9:35 am 



Thanks ghung for your tireless efforts, regardless how futile.

I was asking for refs to an Chinese-Russian confederation.

Don’t bother, there aren’t any.

All these links you provide “only” show that Russia and China are expecting an American military confrontation, the very same WW3 of which are already convinced “you” are going to lose.

And you are in good company: me and the Pole with the terrible name:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/25/the-broken-chessboard-brzezinski-gives-up-on-empire/

ghung on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 9:51 am 



Hiding behind semantics, Cloggo? Whatever you choose to call it, Putin is clearly sucking up to China and has been for a while. Putin needs China’s markets and China needs Russian energy. A confederation of necessity by any other name.

Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 10:15 am 



Putin is clearly sucking up to China and has been for a while.

So far China is hiding behind Russia’s broad back, not the other way around. No Chinese in Syria, not yet anyway. “Sucking up” much?

But you want to play the unteachable?

Putin in 2012:

https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/putin-russia-changing-world-263/

Russia is an inalienable and organic part of Greater Europe and European civilization. Our citizens think of themselves as Europeans. We are by no means indifferent to developments in united Europe.

Straight from the horse’s mouth. People of the stature of Putin don’t change their strategic objectives in a heart beat.

Repeat after me: Russians are not an organic part of China nor do they see themselves as Chinese, regardless of this ad hoc military alliance.

Again: Europe, that’s 700 million, nuclear armed to the teeth and we are about to resurrect and we are going to take a part of the American pie with us to prevent that ZOG starts a last minute alliance with China, just like they started a closet alliance with the USSR in 1933 and surrounded and destroyed Europe, all by intention, not to “liberate Europe from the evil Natzis”, but to incorporate Europe in their respective upstart empires:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNQW_F6_d1U

The beauty is that unlike 1933, meanwhile a considerable part of the American pie wouldn’t mind at all to become allies with Europe, rather than remain imperial overlord, if the latter means continued darkening of America.

http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4486/8rrlwfhb_jpg