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The global oil industry needs to find “another Iraq or North Sea every year” to plug the shortfall of oil supply as demand continues to grow, Majid Jafar, the chief executive of the UAE-based Crescent Petroleum, told CNBC on Thursday.
According to the oil executive, the industry continues to see underinvestment as spending on exploration and new projects has not recovered enough from the recent downturn.
“The big message here has been the industry is not investing enough. Investment is down 50 percent from where it was three or four years ago and hasn’t really recovered,” Jafar told CNBC on the sidelines of an OPEC conference attended by many oil industry executives.
“Actually, what we have seen in this meeting is we need to add another Iraq or North Sea every year and it is not clear where it is coming from,” Crescent Petroleum’s chief executive noted.
Currently, the global oil industry has an image problem, with the majority of the public thinking that it’s a dying industry and “not important anymore,” Jafar said, but added that oil and gas still meets 60 percent of global energy output, compared to the 3-percent share met by renewables.
Earlier this month, BP’s Group Chief Financial Officer, Brian Gilvary, said that “We’re not seeing under-investment coming through yet.”
In March, Saudi Aramco’s president and chief executive Amin Nasser warned that the industry would need to invest more in exploration, after record-low discoveries last year.
According to Nasser, the industry—which has already lost US$1 trillion in investments during the downturn—needs more than US$20 trillion over the next 25 years to meet rising demand for oil and gas.
More recently, higher oil prices and lowered development and project costs have led to cautious optimism and measured risk-taking within the industry that is set to see an uptick in global oil investment this year, energy consultants Wood Mackenzie say.
By Tsvetana Paraskova for Oilprice.com
290 Comments on "Oil Executive: Industry Needs ‘Another Iraq Or North Sea’ To Meet Demand Growth"
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 4:51 am
we have very goofy people here on this board who have a zig zog bug in their mind that allows for all problems in the world to be explained. What a friggin joke.
Makati1 on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 5:29 am
Now the Delusional Davy not only claims to be an economist but a construction and demolition expert. “Paint” applied by government “painters” is the logical explanation for the controlled demolition. Any bulky explosive big enough to do that would have been very obvious to anyone in the building. Tons would have been needed. But 5 gallon buckets of paint, used by :”painters” would not be noticed. It was also discussed in several articles after 9/11.
“The discovery of Thermite in the dust of the World Trade Center is solid scientific proof that this steel-melting and steel-vaporizing explosive was used to demolish the twin towers on 9-11”
http://rense.com/general86/therm.htm
The discovery of Thermite in the dust of the World Trade Center is solid scientific proof that this steel-melting and steel-vaporizing explosive was used to demolish the twin towers on 9-11.
“Because there are many possible types of pyrotechnics that exploit the energy-dense thermite reaction, the architects of the World Trade Center demolition might have relied entirely on such materials to attack the structures in several different ways,…”
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/theories/thermite.html
9/11 was to prepare the Us serfs for the coming wars. Nothing more than a huge propaganda job. The dead civilians were just “collateral damage”. No really important people were present that day in the towers although they had offices there. This is my conclusion from my observation, experience and reading.
Now I expect to hear from the Ozark goatherd with his usual delusional, immature putdowns and emotion generated hate. But I probably will not see it because I am off for the day. LOL
Anonymouse1 on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 6:03 am
There is that ‘we’ again, that the exceptionalturd keeps referring to, but, never actually seems able to explain or identify, who, or what, is meant by ‘we’.
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 6:12 am
“Now the Delusional Davy not only claims to be an economist but a construction and demolition expert. “Paint” applied by government “painters” is the logical explanation for the controlled demolition. “
There would be records of government painters. Do you have evidence of the type of paint used to do controlled demotions and applications where it has been used?
“Any bulky explosive big enough to do that would have been very obvious to anyone in the building. Tons would have been needed. But 5 gallon buckets of paint, used by :”painters” would not be noticed. It was also discussed in several articles after 9/11.”
LMFAO on the floor, 5 gal, 3rd world, the board construction and demolition expert. If this is the case then terrorist would be bring down building daily. What a fruit loop you are old man.
“The discovery of Thermite in the dust of the World Trade Center is solid scientific proof that this steel-melting and steel-vaporizing explosive was used to demolish the twin towers on 9-11”
Who discovered Thermite in the dust of the World trade center? Your extremist alternative conspiracy people? Quit putting down empty links 3rd world. Give me a title, link, and content to support your conspiracy lie. The content is the most important part.
“The discovery of Thermite in the dust of the World Trade Center is solid scientific proof that this steel-melting and steel-vaporizing explosive was used to demolish the twin towers on 9-11.”
3rd world this is a double post.
“Because there are many possible types of pyrotechnics that exploit the energy-dense thermite reaction, the architects of the World Trade Center demolition might have relied entirely on such materials to attack the structures in several different ways,…”
What other ways? Look at your bizarre references. Nothing is peer reviewed all is just extremist fodder from gullible conspiracy addicts like yourself.
“9/11 was to prepare the Us serfs for the coming wars. Nothing more than a huge propaganda job. The dead civilians were just “collateral damage”. This is my conclusion from my observation, experience and reading.”
This is your conclusions. I thought you said it is solid science. I am not saying this didn’t happen but your evidence is flimsy at best and more like part of a bogus agenda. You fools have not given any convincing evidence especially since it is so important to your overall agenda that this be true. Lie take more lies to function properly and you guys live lies.
“Now I expect to hear from the Ozark goatherd with his usual delusional, immature putdowns and emotion generated hate. But I probably will not see it because I am off for the day. LOL”
Ah, Ozark goatherd is not a putdown hypocrite. Emotional generated hate is a description of what you do here daily 3rd world.
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 6:18 am
“There is that ‘we’ again, that the exceptionalturd”
Asperger, aren’t you stealing grehggies thunder or is it something stupid about Canadians that “you Canadians” have a fetish with “we”? Make a reasonable comment or don’t make them at all stupid. You are wasting space.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 8:04 am
Whats more likely…They rigged explosives throughout an entire building without anyone catching them?
Or
The building was made shitty from a builder who was cheap?
TheNationalist on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 8:07 am
Oh cheer up you lot, we’re in this together !
Here’s something else Davy and Greg can argue over:
Q. How do Canadian environmental groups plan on using Hillary Clinton to stop the spread of asian carp into the Great Lakes?
A. By having her go skinny dipping in Lake Michigan!
TheNationalist on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 8:07 am
Oh cheer up you lot, we’re in this together !
Here’s something else Davy and Greg can argue over:
Q. How do Canadian environmental groups plan on using Hillary Clinton to stop the spread of asian carp into the Great Lakes?
A. By having her go skinny dipping in Lake Michigan!
MASTERMIND on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 8:17 am
The United States Is Even More Broke Than We Think
The 2018 “official” U.S. debt figure of $34 trillion is 120% of GDP and projected to double as a percent of GDP within the next 20 years. It’s big.
If we add “off-the-books” net obligations like Social Security and Medicare, our all-in debt, or so-called “fiscal gap”, rises to $110 trillion, or 390% of GDP. It’s scary.
Raising taxes and reducing benefits won’t restore solvency. Something is going to break, and it won’t be pretty.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4183557-united-states-even-broke-think
MASTERMIND on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 8:30 am
Harley-Davidson will move some production out of US after retaliatory tariffs
http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/25/news/companies/harley-davidson-motorcycles-tariffs-trump/index.html
HAHA! And when these trump supporting factory workers lose their jobs..They better not be wanting an welfare…Better pull up those bootstraps.
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 8:31 am
More likely some elements of the US government were aware of terrorists ambitions and actively enabled them by multiple different means. One big enablement is to do nothing at all. This stupid focus on blowing up buildings is less likely and makes these WT7 conspiracy addicts look foolish. There is no need to blow up these building for the forces within the government to achieve their objective. This WT7 drivel just hurts the case of those who think this was a hidden policy to encourage future expansionist activities.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 9:04 am
Davy
You nailed it..This whole building 7 hysteria is stupid..Nobody was in the fucking building, nobody died..nobody fucking cares..And many building in New York city are owned by jews..The building were likely made like shit by some builder who went cheap because he likely never thought some nut jobs would fly jumbo jets into them…
MASTERMIND on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 9:24 am
47% of Americans say their savings can’t cover 3 months expenses
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/budget-and-spending/2018/06/20/more-americans-ok-lack-emergency-savings-survey/715041002/
MASTERMIND on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 9:31 am
Dallas Businessman Dubbed ‘Frack Master’ Charged With Fraud
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/texas/articles/2018-06-21/dallas-businessman-dubbed-frack-master-charged-with-fraud
MASTERMIND on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 9:44 am
“Pro-Life Religious Right” Remained Silent & Let the Babies Suffer. We Won’t Ever Forget.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/20/1773077/–Pro-Life-Religious-Right-Remained-Silent-Let-the-Babies-Suffer-We-Won-t-Ever-Forg
MASTERMIND on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 9:56 am
Is the Permian Barreling Toward a Breaking Point?
https://www.spe.org/en/jpt/jpt-article-detail/?art=4321
MASTERMIND on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 10:07 am
Where there is love there is no imposition..
-Albert Einstein
Cloggie on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 10:33 am
Meathead: More likely some elements of the US government were aware of terrorists ambitions and actively enabled them by multiple different means. One big enablement is to do nothing at all. This stupid focus on blowing up buildings is less likely and makes these WT7 conspiracy addicts look foolish. There is no need to blow up these building for the forces within the government to achieve their objective. This WT7 drivel just hurts the case of those who think this was a hidden policy to encourage future expansionist activities.
Millimind: Davy, You nailed it..This whole building 7 hysteria is stupid..Nobody was in the fucking building, nobody died..nobody fucking cares..And many building in New York city are owned by jews..The building were likely made like shit by some builder who went cheap because he likely never thought some nut jobs would fly jumbo jets into them…
The core of the empire defenders on this board meathead and his owner millimind making overtime to cover up what was clearly an excuse to create a second Pearl Harbor…
https://www.amazon.com/New-Pearl-Harbor-Disturbing-Administration/dp/1566565529/ref=sr_1_1
…intended to create the pretext for the invasion in the Middle East. Period.
WTC7 is called the “smoking gun of 9/11” for good reason, because here we have an element in the 9/11 script that went obviously wrong.
Silverstein admitted that he “ordered to pull”, leaving more questions than answers. “What? You ordered the demolition of the building?”
And since it is not possible to organize the demolition from scratch in a matter of a few hours, let alone in the total state of panic NYC was in that day, there is only one explanation: the building already was wired for demolition!
Silverstein simply could not take the risk of investigators discovering explosives and shape charges mounted to the carrying columns of WTC7 so the lesser risk was to blow up the building and blame it on “office fires”. Pity though that he made this slip of the tongue… “decided to pull”. Shouldn’t have said that Larry. Not that it matters. Anybody with high-school physics under his belt can understand that the only way to make the building fell in the way it did (free fall speed), was to knock all the carrying columns away from under the building at the same moment. Which can only be done with explosives, which already were present.
Now WHY was WTC7 wired for demolition? Answer: for the same reason why WTC1/2 were wired for demolition. Crashing planes in WTC would not cause enough people dead for the required Pearl Harbor effect (3000 casualties). The buildings needed to be additionally demolished to kill thousands trapped in the building.
But why WTC7 that was not hit by an airliner. Why wire that building for demolition?
Because the plane scheduled to crash into WTC7 (F93) DID NOT SHOW UP! It was shot down by a local commander who was not in the plot and who had seen what had happened in NYC with two other planes. The specialty about F93 was that it had an unforeseen delay of 43 minutes, giving a local commander the opportunity to take down F93 before it could be used as weapon, like the other two planes. Later the story was replaced by the lie that passengers had attempted to take back the plane from the hijackers (“Let’s role”). Complete baloney. The plane did obviously not come down in one peace, as it should have if the official story/lie was true. All passengers in all four planes were gassed, after which the planes were sent on the auto-pilot to their intended targets.
https://americaneveryman.com/2010/02/17/911-shock-opera-act-4-%E2%80%93-building-7-and-flight-93-the-grand-finale-that-wasn%E2%80%99t/
You nailed it..This whole building 7 hysteria is stupid..Nobody was in the fucking building, nobody died..nobody fucking cares..
Yeah right, “nobody cares”, especially if the tale deviates from the official story. Most Americans do not care about the truth and are unwilling to expose the criminal acts of their own government and embarrass said government. Better hush up, walk on, nothing to be seen. MAGA. Like in the case of Pearl Harbor, nobody asks questions, like “why would a country with 5% global GDP attack a country with 29% global GDP?” (real answer: because they were intentionally cornered with a 100% oil boycott, designed to make Japan deal the first blow to escape economic strangulation). Roosevelt wanted war with Japan, five minutes after Japan joined the Axis, because war with Japan (secondary motive) meant war with Germany (primary motive) and the possibility to colonize Europe, together with ZOG-USSR.
But that was 1945. Now it is potentially 2 billion Eurasians against 400 million Anglos, the latter “stuck in pole position”. Not now, but after Merkel, after Brexit and after Trump, when the US Deep State could attempt to restore hegemony.
GregT on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 10:47 am
“we have very goofy people here on this board who have a zig zog bug in their mind that allows for all problems in the world to be explained. What a friggin joke.”
Using “we” in the above context can be referred to as “The Royal We”, and is a display of arrogance Davy.
The correct way to convey your above assertion would be ‘There are’ very goofy people here on this board who have a zig zog bug’, even though zig zog bugs are also a figment of your goofy, active little imagination.
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 11:00 am
“The core of the empire defenders on this board meathead and his owner millimind making overtime to cover up what was clearly an excuse to create a second Pearl Harbor…”
I think nederliar is saying this because I destroyed his argument. Notice I didn’t say WT7 didn’t happen. I also offered more believable alternative that elements within the US government allowed 911 to happen. There was likely no active sabotage of buildings nonsense
“…intended to create the pretext for the invasion in the Middle East. Period.”
We didn’t need a WT7 as a pretext nederliar. Jets being flown into tall buildings is sufficient.
“WTC7 is called the “smoking gun of 9/11” for good reason, because here we have an element in the 9/11 script that went obviously wrong.”
WT7 is a smoking haze of conspiracy drivel without good basis of support.
“Silverstein admitted that he “ordered to pull”, leaving more questions than answers. “What? You ordered the demolition of the building?”
Nederliar, I need a title, link and content from a good source to support the above. I see none of that here.
“And since it is not possible to organize the demolition from scratch in a matter of a few hours, let alone in the total state of panic NYC was in that day, there is only one explanation: the building already was wired for demolition!”
Sure it was
“Silverstein simply could not take the risk of investigators discovering explosives and shape charges mounted to the carrying columns of WTC7 so the lesser risk was to blow up the building and blame it on “office fires”. Pity though that he made this slip of the tongue… “decided to pull”. Shouldn’t have said that Larry. Not that it matters. Anybody with high-school physics under his belt can understand that the only way to make the building fell in the way it did (free fall speed), was to knock all the carrying columns away from under the building at the same moment. Which can only be done with explosives, which already were present.”
Sure it does
“Now WHY was WTC7 wired for demolition? Answer: for the same reason why WTC1/2 were wired for demolition. Crashing planes in WTC would not cause enough people dead for the required Pearl Harbor effect (3000 casualties). The buildings needed to be additionally demolished to kill thousands trapped in the building.”
Nonsense, you conspiracy addicts need to have a source besides the terrorist that did this destruction to levitate your conspiracies. There is nothing sound about these theories I can see just the pressure to make these real for ulterior motives.
“Later the story was replaced by the lie that passengers had attempted to take back the plane from the hijackers (“Let’s role”). Complete baloney. The plane did obviously not come down in one peace, as it should have if the official story/lie was true. All passengers in all four planes were gassed, after which the planes were sent on the auto-pilot to their intended targets.”
Complete bogus nonsense of a lying fool. LMFAO. You offered no supporting evidence only your anti-American emotions. I need proper content from your empty links please empty links are sloppy and hide deceit which you are completely full of.
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 11:07 am
“Using “we” in the above context can be referred to as “The Royal We”, and is a display of arrogance Davy.”
You are so full of shit greggie. There is no royal we arrogance going on just pricking by an anti-American Canadian. This “WE” issue must be a Canadian irritation thingy because Asperger gets hot and bothered over it also..
“The correct way to convey your above assertion would be ‘There are’”
It works for me grehger and it got your attention so I think all you are doing is getting your morning prick fix. The correct way to comment is not a prick fix.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 11:11 am
Clog
Who gives a shit..You are going to die a horrifying death in a few years time the social collapse hits..I wouldn’t get to worked up about 911 or anything else..
GregT on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 11:16 am
“You are so full of shit greggie. There is no royal we arrogance going on just pricking by an anti-American Canadian. This “WE” issue must be a Canadian irritation thingy because Asperger gets hot and bothered over it also..”
‘We’ were taught that in grade school in Canada Davy. Judging by how often Americans on this forum continue to misuse the word ‘we’ as in an implied collective, my guess would be that ‘you all’ were not.
GregT on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:06 pm
“The building were likely made like shit by some builder who went cheap because he likely never thought some nut jobs would fly jumbo jets into them…”
No ‘Jumbo Jets’ were flown into WT7.
Cloggie on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:11 pm
I also offered more believable alternative that elements within the US government allowed 911 to happen. There was likely no active sabotage of buildings nonsense
Correct. Only the perps were not Arabs but Israelis.
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/former-george-bush-chief-economist-says-911-was-an-inside-job/
Who gives a shit..You are going to die a horrifying death in a few years time the social collapse hits..I wouldn’t get to worked up about 911 or anything else..
“Who gives a shit”… Your defense of the official narrative gets weaker and lamer and more desperate with every passing minute.
“Silverstein admitted that he “ordered to pull”, leaving more questions than answers. “What? You ordered the demolition of the building?”
Clogmeister, sir, I need a title, link and content from a good source to support the above. I see none of that here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk
(Larry Silverstein admitted that the decision was made to “pull” the building)
Sure it does
OK, so you admit WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition.
Sure it does
Additionally you admit that the building was pre-wired for demolition. So what is your explanation other than the one I gave you, namely anticipate the impact of F93?
GregT on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:17 pm
Office fires do not generate enough heat to melt steel, and neither does jet fuel.
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:24 pm
“my guess would be that ‘you all’ were not.”
My guess is you all were taught how to prick Americans because it seems to be a common activity among ‘you all’ towards us. We don’t appreciate it either.
GregT on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:27 pm
“We don’t appreciate it either.”
An implied collective connotes arrogance. The Royal We.
We are not impressed.
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:32 pm
“Correct. Only the perps were not Arabs but Israelis.”
No evidence of that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk
(Larry Silverstein admitted that the decision was made to “pull” the building)
What is such a conspiracy about this if the authorities decided to take the building down nederliar?
“Additionally you admit that the building was pre-wired for demolition.
Where did I say the building was pre-wired because I didn’t? More nederlies,
“So what is your explanation other than the one I gave you, namely anticipate the impact of F93?”
The plane crash is obvious. It was flown into the ground not shot down.
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:36 pm
“Office fires do not generate enough heat to melt steel, and neither does jet fuel.”
It does not have to melt to be deform and made structurally unsound.
Antius on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:39 pm
“According to Nasser, the industry—which has already lost US$1 trillion in investments during the downturn—needs more than US$20 trillion over the next 25 years to meet rising demand for oil and gas.”
Almost a trillion dollars per year. That is scary money. Especially when you consider that our economy is now ‘late cycle’ and a recession isn’t very far away. How much of that $20trillion will we see, if oil prices crash back down to $40/barrel? What calamity will the US shale industry face if oil prices crash to those levels once again?
onlooker on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:40 pm
911 is the dividing line between objective observers and Empire defenders. Ample evidence exists to show this was a preplanned inside job
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:45 pm
“We are not impressed.”
We could give a shit if you were impressed or not. We are discovering how much hate there is north of the border.
Antius on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:48 pm
““Office fires do not generate enough heat to melt steel, and neither does jet fuel.”
It does not have to melt to be deform and made structurally unsound.”
Correct Davy. Carbon steel loses half its room temperature strength at 500C. Many steel framed buildings have collapsed in fires that do not get halfway to the melting point of steel.
Note that a well ventilated compartment fire fuelled by jet fuel will flashover very quickly, and may reach temperatures exceeding 1000C in minutes. Any steel framed building in which steelwork is unprotected (i.e. by fire barriers or intumescent paint) will rapidly collapse under those conditions.
I am not entirely unsympathetic towards conspiracy theorists, they do occasionally bark up the wrong tree. But it is important to get the science right before yelling ‘Traitor!’.
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:52 pm
“911 is the dividing line between objective observers and Empire defenders. “
That statement sounds very binary. Life is never that simple.
“Ample evidence exists to show this was a preplanned inside job”
Preplanned or just an opportunity that presented itself. There is too many loose ends to convince me of these conspiracies. The people that are promoting these conspiracies clearly have extremist agendas that this fits perfectly into. If “WE” (DID YOU GET THAT GREHGGER) didn’t have so much pressure to pound this shit down our throat the story might be different. Just the talk of empire is a dead giveaway somebody is conspiratorial and driven by emotional agenda. Objective observer you all are not but a long shot.
Antius on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:55 pm
“Office fires do not generate enough heat to melt steel, and neither does jet fuel.”
Correct. But the steel doesn’t have to melt. Take a look at the temperature-strength curve for a representative carbon-steel.
http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/materialInFire/Steel/FireResistantSteel/boltedConnection.htm
I would also note that steel structural columns are made from thin-plate welded into I-beam sections. It doesn’t take much thermal assault to heat them up; their heat capacity is not very high. And when they do heat up, they lose strength quickly.
Cloggie on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 12:59 pm
Many steel framed buildings have collapsed in fires that do not get halfway to the melting point of steel.
You have an example or two, comparable to WTC7?
“Conspiracy theorists” maintain that no such examples exist.
It does not have to melt to be deform and made structurally unsound.
Look at the downfall of the building WTC7:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hycank4AxBo
Purely symmetrical. Even the reporter says live that this looks like a controlled demolition (because it is). Office fires btw are nowhere nearly hot enough to even “deform” H-beams.
There is only one explanation: shape charges tied around all carrying columns in the basement of WTC7 + button press.
Antius on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 1:03 pm
“Preplanned or just an opportunity that presented itself. There is too many loose ends to convince me of these conspiracies.”
Exactly. I think a more likely explanation here is that the US state department got careless and failed to anticipate the sequence of events that unfolded. When they did occur, they proved politically useful to the people in power. But that doesn’t prove they were complicit in making it happen.
I remember how ridiculously lax US internal flight security was prior to 911. You could often board a plane on a few hours notice and I don’t remember having to even show ID. If the US hadn’t allowed so many crazies into the country, it might never have been a problem. Sadly, they did.
Antius on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 1:10 pm
“Office fires btw are nowhere nearly hot enough to even “deform” H-beams”
How do you know that? Office fire temperatures are a function of opening factor (i.e. the ratio of window are to compartment area) and burn-time, which in a ventilation controlled fire is equal to the combustible load divided by ventilation controlled burning rate.
They can reach 1000C in well ventilated compartments and unprotected steel will fail at much lower temperatures. When it fails with thousands of tonnes of weight on it, it will fail quickly.
onlooker on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 1:12 pm
“Indeed, neither before nor since 9/11 have fires caused the total collapse of a steel-framed high-rise—nor has any other natural event, with the exception of the 1985 Mexico City earthquake, which toppled a 21-story office building. Otherwise, the only phenomenon capable of collapsing such buildings completely has been by way of a procedure known as controlled demolition, whereby explosives or other devices are used to bring down a structure intentionally.”
https://off-guardian.org/2016/09/07/on-the-physics-of-high-rise-building-collapses/
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 1:18 pm
How the hell did we get on this 911 shit again anyway. Neder is constantly hyping his pet agendas so it is like a circle that we end up back here.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 1:19 pm
I am glad they did a false flag for 911..Operation northwoods proves that it was a CIA inspired plot..But I am glad they pulled it off..They were able to keep the oil party going for a little while longer or we would have ran short by now and the economy would have collapsed and nobody here reading this would fucking be alive right now..it was either kill a few thousand or watch the entire world collapse into atomic dust..But don’t worry the latter will happen in a few years anyways..And then the secret will be buried in the rubble..
GregT on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 1:26 pm
“How the hell did we get on this 911 shit again anyway. Neder is constantly hyping his pet agendas so it is like a circle that we end up back here.”
More of your usual delusional accusations Davy.
“MASTERMIND on Sun, 24th Jun 2018 9:32 pm ”
“Now we know why they lied about WMD’s to go to war with Iraq..They were scared we were going to run out of oil..And they colluded with the Saudi’s to create 911 and the war on terror..And they said it was a guy living in a cave in Afghanistan who was behind the attack..LOL you can’t make this stuff up..”
And for the record you can’t win a war on terror because terror is a tactic, not an enemy..Its a verb not a noun..
onlooker on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 1:36 pm
We are at it again because some of us still are about finding out what REALLY is going on
At least MM concedes the strong case for 911 coverup. And I am not here day after day bashing the Empire but sure as hell know they’re is one ie. the US led one
Cloggie on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 1:50 pm
“They can reach 1000C in well ventilated compartments and unprotected steel will fail at much lower temperatures. When it fails with thousands of tonnes of weight on it, it will fail quickly.”
The perfect symmetry with which WTC7 fell is completely incompatible with the very localized occurence of the office fires. It was absolutely no Grenfell.
Besides, Silverstein admitted the building was “pulled”. Nobody ever asked follow-up questions about this stunning admission. Apart from a handful of “truthers” everybody shuts up, wants to stiffle discussion.
Imagine this: 3,000 killed, no trial. Using the qualifier “banana republic” would mean an insult to banana republics.
Already found a single example Antius of a single steel high-rise building that collapsed due to fire? Don’t waste your time, there aren’t any.
But I am glad they pulled it off..They were able to keep the oil party going for a little while longer or we would have ran short by now and the economy would have collapsed and nobody here reading this would fucking be alive right now.
Aha, finally admitting to the obvious, millimind… and then pickup lying again by iditotically claiming that without the 2003 invasion, oil would have stopped flowing.lol The whole idea of the operation was to colonize Iraq and its oil resources. But the opposite happened: America exposed its military weakness by letting itself retreat in the Green Zone and finally withdrew altogether, leaving the country as a business present to Iran. Wolfowitz predicted that the operation would pay for itself in oil. It didn’t: the fiasco added 3-6 trillion dollar to the US public debt.
Cuurently oil price at 73$
GregT on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 1:51 pm
“The people that are promoting these conspiracies clearly have extremist agendas that this fits perfectly into.”
Bombing both Afghanistan and Iraq back into the stone age, and the mass murders of hundreds of thousand of innocent people, would be an extremist agenda Davy.
If “WE” (DID YOU GET THAT GREHGGER) didn’t have so much pressure to pound this shit down our throat the story might be different.’
Who are you referring to when you say ‘we’ and ‘our’ Davy? From the polls that I have read, only 16% of Americans believe the official conspiracy theory.
“Just the talk of empire is a dead giveaway somebody is conspiratorial and driven by emotional agenda.”
Ignoring the Empire would be a dead giveaway that someone is being driven by an emotional agenda.
GregT on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 2:19 pm
“Otherwise, the only phenomenon capable of collapsing such buildings completely has been by way of a procedure known as controlled demolition, whereby explosives or other devices are used to bring down a structure intentionally.”
Even with controlled demolition, structures often do not collapse in on their own footprints as planned.
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 2:25 pm
“More of your usual delusional accusations Davy.”
Nothing delusional about it gregster, the neder constantly hypes this and other nederagenda. You enable and support it. It is part of the groupie gang squad marching orders to conquer the Emprire.
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 2:28 pm
“Besides, Silverstein admitted the building was “pulled”. ”
You don’t know English perfectly neder. When he said “Pulled” it meant pull the firefighters out. He would have said down it otherwise. You are barking at the moon.
Davy on Mon, 25th Jun 2018 2:31 pm
“Bombing both Afghanistan and Iraq back into the stone age, and the mass murders of hundreds of thousand of innocent people, would be an extremist agenda Davy.”
grehgster always gets his scale and context mixed up. (“WE”) are on a forum grehggie and you are an extremist promoting an emotional agenda.