Abiogenic Petroleum: Peak Oil and “Fossil Fuels” – Debunked

60 Comments on "Abiogenic Petroleum: Peak Oil and “Fossil Fuels” – Debunked"

forbin on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 8:15 am 



oh not AGAIN ……………

pwinters on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 8:35 am 



Where is the evidence?
Even if true, its replenishment is not keeping up with the needs of the human race.

Cloggie on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 8:39 am 



Where is the evidence?

Organic live is rather uniformly distributed over the planet, but oil isn’t.

QED

Duncan Idaho on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 9:06 am 



As a species, this does not bode well.
Maybe we just aren’t smart enough?

joe on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 9:51 am 



Sorry clogger, life is not uniform over the earth. Life is clumped into its habitable zones, unformity would imply the same mass of living things on the south pole as at the equator. Don’t be foolish, trying to be look smart.

Cloggie on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 10:15 am 



unformity would imply the same mass of living things on the south pole as at the equator. Don’t be foolish, trying to be look smart.

Uhoh, joe has to seek help from Antarctica to make his point and keep the myth of biotic oil alive.

US territory for example WAS uniformly covered with life, yet oil is NOT uniformly distributed.

And be warned, the only oil professional on this board also tends to believe in the abiotic theory. And so do Russian oil scientists. As we all remember, Russia is among the largest oil producers in the world.

All the posters here are victim of western science.

That does absolutely NOT mean that even if the abiotic theory is true, that peak oil is debunked. Empty oil fields are not replenished (fast enough) from deeper sources.

rockman on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 10:22 am 



As the Rockman has proclaimed in the past all oil has an abiotic origin. So what? We still have to find where it has accumulated and then produce it. Something we’ve done very well for many decades. Exploring for and producing abiotic oil is now different then if it had a biologic origin.

Crude oil is crude oil regardless of how it formed.

rockman on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 10:25 am 



And FYI: it takes much more then just the presence of life for oil to form from a biotic source.

Go Speed Racer on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 12:37 pm 



It’s absolutely true, the oil regenerates and the
oil wells fill back up. A Sunday preacherman
explained it to me, it’s Lord Jesus fills up the oil
wells by His Divine Authority, and the Lord will
make sure we will never run out of gasoline.

He was driving a great big motor home it was a
converted greyhound bus.

I was so impressed with his Divine words
that I put in a $100 bill for a donation.

God Bless America.

Apneaman on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 12:54 pm 



BACK IN THE U.S.

BACK IN THE U.S.

BACK IN THE U.S.S.R

Commie pinko traitors pushing bunk Soviet science.

Apneaman on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 1:06 pm 



“As history confirms, people will change their minds about almost anything, from which god they worship to how they style their hair. But when it comes to existential judgments, human beings in general have an unfalteringly good opinion of themselves and their condition in this world and are steadfastly confident they are not a collection of self-conscious nothings.”

― Thomas Ligotti, The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

Sissyfuss on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 1:28 pm 



This salesmans background screams SHILL! To paraphrase, ” It’s hard for a man to understand morals when he’s ravenously pursuing riches.”

Apneaman on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 1:39 pm 



Thorough summary of Peak oil, biosphere destruction, war, corruption and the rest of the Cancer apes current predicaments.

The Collapse of Global Civilization Has Begun

https://medium.com/@FeunFooPermaKra/the-collapse-of-global-civilization-has-begun-b527c649754c

Apneaman on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 3:20 pm 



Another summary of what the Cancer apes have done to themselves.

What, Me Worry? Humans Are Blind to Imminent Environmental Collapse

Accelerating biodiversity loss may turn out to be the sleeper issue of the century.

“In short, H. sapiens depends utterly on a rich diversity of life-forms to provide various life-support functions essential to the existence and continued survival of human civilization. With an unprecedented human-induced great global die-off well under way, what are the chances the functional integrity of the ecosphere will survive the next doubling of material consumption that everyone expects before mid-century?

Here’s the thing: climate change is not the only shadow darkening humanity’s doorstep. While you wouldn’t know it from the mainstream media, biodiversity loss arguably poses an equivalent existential threat to civilized existence. While we’re at it, let’s toss soil/landscape degradation, potential food or energy shortages and other resource limits into the mix. And if you think we’ll probably be able to “handle” four out of five such environmental problems, it doesn’t matter. The relevant version of Liebig’s Law states that any complex system dependent on several essential inputs can be taken down by that single factor in least supply (and we haven’t yet touched upon the additional risks posed by the geopolitical turmoil that would inevitably follow ecological destabilization).”

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/11/16/humans-blind-imminent-environmental-collapse/

I think more people ‘get it’ than are letting on because they are totally overwhelmed. The humans are playing last man standing for the final time. Party on.

onlooker on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 3:28 pm 



Great link AP!

Apneaman on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 4:00 pm 



The Slow Decapitation of America – The powerful are winning the war against the institutions that protected society.

‘It is also clear that the system has been under attack for decades; Trump is simply the culmination.’

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/11/15/America-Slow-Decapitation/

Davy on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 4:12 pm 



Yea ape the link above:

“The Collapse of Global Civilization Has Begun”

Good one

Apneaman on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 4:15 pm 



onlooker, glad you got something from it. I have this rule I made up that anytime there is a moronic post like this verbal diarrhea from Greg Quinones, it’s open season. The only reason they put it up is to enrage. Who cares? There is other topics and happening that are actually interesting and of course my mandate all along has been to open the door a crack so those lost in the fog of their dumb corporate & government made up culture and sub tribes have a chance to enlighten themselves. I don’t have much success since the belief systems are so ingrained and folks are stubborn. It’s like pulling mussels from a shell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNVocNJwwrE

Cloggie on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 4:22 pm 



Yea ape the link above:

“The Collapse of Global Civilization Has Begun”

Good one

You like apneaman’s other link as well, davy?

The Slow Decapitation of America – The powerful are winning the war against the institutions that protected society.
‘It is also clear that the system has been under attack for decades; Trump is simply the culmination.’

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/11/15/America-Slow-Decapitation/


No?

MASTERMIND on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 4:23 pm 



Experts say US economy not seeing ‘Trump bump’

http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2017/11/experts_say_us_economy_not_see.html

onlooker on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 4:24 pm 



Yeah, AP, I do not stay focused on the “doom” just for the sake of it. I am not a masochist. But this is the reality as pointed out by that article of how the Collapse of Global Civilization has begun. It is to wake everyone up, that this is coming and not much we can do about it now but prepare mentally. The Shock itself will be pretty jarring. So at least if you know its coming you can sort of deal with it as best as possible even if that means preparing for your untimely demise. This whole Doom thing is bull, the signs are everywhere this is REALITY. Hey we are mortal beings doomed to die. That is the unnegotiable doom or reality, however way people want to interpret it.

Davy on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 4:28 pm 



Dutchy did not read it. Nothing new though the US is going down the drain almost as fast as Euroland. Why don’t you read it and give me a summary.

Dredd on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 4:59 pm 



List time the Earth was measured it was finite.

Measurements matter (On Thermal Expansion & Thermal Contraction – 27).

Infinite does not equal finite.

onlooker on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 5:03 pm 



Oh and as for the Abiotic what a bunch of retarded nonsense

makati1 on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 5:21 pm 



Ap, Thanks for the ref… it says what I have said many times here:

“I’ve heard people calling the announcement of collapse ‘elitist’, since, according to the logic they apply, you automatically approve of millions — if not billions — of people dying. They hold the unquestioned assumption that it will be “the others” who will suffer the most, which is true — but only as long as civilization exists and continues to suppress and exploit them. Millions, maybe billions, will die anyway if this system continues to wreak havoc on this planet.
Actually, it will be the global elite which will be hit the worst: the urban populations of the Western world with no knowledge of basic survival or the ecosystem around their cities.

The global rural poor might actually be better off without the capitalist system stealing their land or exploiting and enslaving them. Consider the words of Anuradha Mittal, former co-director of Food First, who said that former granaries of India now export dog food and tulips to Europe. Same goes for many of the urban poor, who live in slums not by choice but because they were forced to relocate, thanks to the actions of multinational corporations and banks — they still have the knowledge of how to live a life as subsistence farmer.

The ones hit hardest by global collapse will be those in the highest ranks of our civilizations’ hierarchy.”

Nuff said.

DerHundistlos on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 6:53 pm 



As I have mentioned in the past and in agreement with onlooker as usual, Ape’s postings are prescient and true, which explains the vehement denials. Thanks for broadening my depth of understanding.

Thank you oh wise one, Siss, for your concise, astute, and at times when appropriate humorous observations.

Anonymouse1 on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 6:55 pm 



You can stop referring to yourself in the third person anytime narrativeman. It is an odd habit considering the source. A creationist, and, apparently, full-time shill for all-things-oily.

Illeism

Similarly, illeism is used with an air of grandeur(or delusions of-comment mine), to give the speaker lofty airs. Idiosyncratic and conceited people are known to either use or are lampooned as using illeism to puff themselves up or illustrate their egotism.

Apneaman on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 6:59 pm 



The Cancer will not be stopped or slowed. It only knows growth until exhaustion and death. Anything or anyone that gets in it’s way will be dealt with by any and all means the princes of cancer have at their disposal, from denial campaigns to imprisonment to murder.

‘Modern air is too clean’: the rise of air pollution denial

US sceptics are questioning the science behind air pollution and mortality, a trend that is starting to appear in countries where the air is much more toxic


“Modern air is a little too clean for optimum health,” he told the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), one of the world’s largest scientific societies, in 2012.”

“Now the director of the air pollution health effects laboratory at the University of California, Irvine, is set to be appointed as a scientific adviser by Donald Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

But Phalen isn’t alone. Pollution denial is starting to appear outside the US, in countries where the air is much more toxic.
Denial in the US

Last week, the Washington Post and E&E News published a list of people expected to be appointed as new scientific advisers by the EPA.

Some have operated within groups that have long denied climate change science. And now they are doing the same with air pollution.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/16/modern-air-is-too-clean-the-rise-of-air-pollution-denial

200 Environmentalists Were Murdered Last Year

A new report warns of escalating violence against conservationists and protestors, from the U.S. to Africa and beyond.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/environmentalists-protestors-killed-violence-global-witness-report/

It can’t be stopped by any number of humans because this is what the universe wants. It’s what it do. The human’s strings are being pulled by the Maximum Power Principle [MPP].

“The maximum power principle(MPP) in ecology states that self-­organizing systems, especially biological systems, capture and use available energy to develop network designs that maximize the energy fluxes through them, which are compatible with the constraints of the environment, and that those systems that maximize the throughput will endure. Thus, the MPP governs expediencies or efficiency in both the ecosystems functional and structural development. In this way, MPP can be used as a macro-level alternative model to interpreting evolution as a process whereby elements within an ecosystem are selected based upon their contribution to the processing of energy through the ecosystem, thus working to maximize the overall energy throughput.”

http://complexitylabs.io/glossary/maximum-power-principle/

Is that not what we do? Work to maximize the overall energy throughput for reasons unknown?

Am I missing something? The invisible man in the sky who created us for his play things? Kinda like a Barbie house except with lots of war, murder, rape, torture, suffering, disease, slavery & Disco.

Davy on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 7:07 pm 



“Same goes for many of the urban poor, who live in slums not by choice but because they were forced to relocate, thanks to the actions of multinational corporations and banks ”
Says the guy living in Manila’s financial district with the bankers and corporates. Please mad kat spare us your bleeding heart whining for the poor it just reeks of hypocrisy.

makati1 on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 8:12 pm 



Some “REAL NEWS”:

“Nearly 4,000 US Communities Have High Rates of Child Lead Poisoning”

https://www.globalresearch.ca/nearly-4000-us-communities-have-high-rates-of-child-lead-poisoning/5618634

“The ingestion of any amount of the heavy metal, whether through tainted water, lead-based paint, contaminated soil or fumes and dust, can do irreparable harm to children. This includes impeding the development of the brain and nervous system, lowered IQ, memory loss, hearing and speech problems, and behavioral and attention-related problems. The toxin, which remains in the body and can be passed on for generations, is also responsible for a host of adult health problems, including decreased kidney function, high blood pressure, tremors and infertility.”

Maybe this explains some of the dumbing down that is rampant in America? Parents exposure when young and the young now.

And the slide to the 3rd world continues…

makati1 on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 8:33 pm 



It just gets better and better:

“EPA Refuses to Ban Neurotoxic Pesticide Found in 87 Percent of Newborns”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/11/21/chlorpyrifos-found-in-newborns.aspx

“He determined that based on a population of 25.5 million children, aged birth to 5, those born to mothers exposed to organophosphates, mercury or lead during pregnancy suffered a combined loss of 16.9 million IQ points. Researchers calculated a collective loss of 41 million IQ points in the U.S. from the same exposures.28 Conventional farmers are reluctant to stop using pesticides as this will put their crops at risk, and pesticide makers will not support a ban for obvious reasons.”

Duh! What are ‘neurotoxins’? LMAO

Sissyfuss on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 9:52 pm 



Derhund, appropriate or not one needs to let a little steam to vent occasionally. Thank you for your kind words from a previous post. I was going to reply but I lost the article as it was pushed off into the Cloud. I am a noviciate in comparison to your accomplishments in protecting Mother Earth. I rewilded a few acres while you have protected hundreds of kilometers for endangered species. You are my hero. Some say that the hopeless battle is the only one worth fighting. If that is true then we are where we should be.

DMyers on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 9:54 pm 



I’d call myself an abiogenic skeptic. Abiogenic does not pass the spell check. It isn’t even a real word. That’s my opening argument.

I’ve been doubting abiogenic for a long time. It doesn’t go much beyond wishful thinking. As I and others have said, it wouldn’t matter anyway because we have no information about the rate of renewal of this abiogenic fountain of oil. The constituent atoms and molecules are not infinite, in any event.

At the moment, there is at least one method to test the abiogenic assertion. I believe the Russians’ alleged belief in abiotic is largely based on their discoveries of oil at very deep levels. The reasoning must go that this oil has collected at depths that exclude organic presence.

So that becomes the question. Does the presence of oil at the depths in effect prove that this oil is abiotic? If oil as we know it to have evolved from plant more than animal deposits (and little related to dinosaurs) could not possibly have come to be in an environment where it appears to be, then what we have is not biogenic.

It strikes me as odd, that the Russians would bite on something so ridiculous as abiogenic oil. They don’t even believe in God.

I’ve posed the deep deposit issue. Let’s say it’s dis-positive. The answer is available.

Sissyfuss on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 9:56 pm 



Anon1, Illeism=all things Trump.

makati1 on Thu, 16th Nov 2017 10:57 pm 



DMeyers, I don’t follow oily news much, but logic says that oil can be found at any level not too hot to vaporize it (driving it back up). Gravity would let it seep lower until it reached an impermeable level or a level too hot for it to remain. Water does the same.

A water aquifer can be up to two miles deep as water can only stand temps less than 100C.

Petroleum, with a much higher vaporization point can be multiples of that with the increase in pressure at depth. So, 8-10 miles would be possible. A colder region, like the arctic, would therefore seem to allow even deeper layers of hot goo, depending on the mantel’s thickness.

DerHundistlos on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 12:44 am 



Hi Siss and Everybody,

Thank you for your kind words and for raising an important topic. Land/Species conservation is not limited to a select few. Everyone can make a demonstrable difference regardless of donation amount. THE organization that stands above all others is Rainforest Trust (www.rainforesttrust.org). 100% of every donation is directed, at the donor’s discretion, toward land purchase. Rainforest Trust has developed a unique strategy that time has proven to be highly impactful. Once the land is acquired via private land purchase, the land is protected in perpetuity via trust agreements with an indigenous conservation partner.

In addition to Rainforest Trust operating on a lean budget, a few donors fund the organization’s operating budget, thus allowing public donations to be directed in their entirety. Charity Navigator is the largest and most prestigious charity evaluator and of the 8.000 501(c)3 organizations reviewed, only 28 international environmental organizations are awarded the top rating of four stars, including Rainforest Trust. Before I made my first donation, I personally interviewed management and board of directors, then I visited five projects where I interviewed random residents from surrounding communities.

There are any number of worldwide projects in need of funding. For example, in Peru landowners have agreed to sell a total of 7.8 million acres to create a wildlife corridor connecting the park systems of Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru (Would you be surprised to learn that he Cheney and Koch families, who own several hundred thousand hectares of land in all three countries, refused to participate in the program?) Just $1.11 will purchase 2 acres. Think about it, for $25 you can protect in perpetuity 50 acres of virgin rainforest.

Davy on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 12:48 am 



“Duh! What are ‘neurotoxins’? LMAO”
In Asia neurotoxin are freely dispensed into the air and water like a perfume. Cancer cities are throughout Asia. I thought you knew that mad kat?

Davy on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 1:55 am 



“Competitive displacement”

“William Rees: What’s Driving The Planet’s Accelerating Species Collapse?”
http://tinyurl.com/yc9ex5cj

“So we’re engaged here, through sheer growth, in the scale of the human enterprise in what ecologists refer to as “competitive displacement”.

“So we’ve gone from millions to a few thousand elephants. We’ve gone from hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, of tigers to a handful. And so on. Wildlife on the planet today is clinging to the edges of existence. They may not have gone extinct, but their populations have been reduced to a tiny fraction — a few percent at best — of what used to be. North America used to have 40 to 60 million bison regularly migrating north and south through our great plains. Well, today there’s only a few thousand bison on domesticated farms or in a couple of parks — they’ve been replaced utterly by the food crops that we grow to feed humans or to support our domestic animals.”

pointer on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 6:01 am 



Geez, Davy, that last paragraph is depressing. The ignorance of the human race makes me sick.

Meanwhile, might I ask all you experts here for a list of behavior changes you’d recommend for humans, specifically things that humans could do (or stop doing) in short order? Thank you.

Davy on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 7:47 am 



Pointer, I think the planet is screw just because of momentum of this human growth pulse. It is so amazing also because it happened so fast. I do think the planet will heal and many species repopulate if humans have a die down which I think most evidence points to. I can’t say for sure this will happen but science would support a die down and species repopulation. The climax post glacier ecosystem we have now is unfortunately gone. Think of what was here even 300 years ago. It may take thousands and even millions of years to get to another. The key point to recognize is so many local ecosystems and species are near the brink so in a sense we are on the cliff of life staring into the abyss. In just a few years for example the oceans may be home to jellyfish and little more.

I have come to the conclusion changes will be mostly local and of the kind that remind me of micro climates. People can reinvigorate their “locals” with life. Even in urban areas plant life can be supported as opposed to concrete and steel. Many people need to go back to the land in pastoral farming that embraces the cycles of nature. Carbon, Nitrogen, the hydrologic cycles must be the basis of human efforts and integrated into a human life web. This is beyond a mass movement until a die down but many willing and able people should do it as a spiritual quest to return to nature. Since we are techno and to completely leave nature with a world that is so far from nature we still have to be connected in a modern sense at least while we are still modern. Realism says we can’t go back to something that is no more. We may only have a few decades before modernism breaks to a lower level of economic output with a corresponding smaller human population so now is the critical time to form the foundation of this new naturalism. These modern connections should be with micro grids driven by human behavior that is centered on demand management, conservation, and wise stoicism. The key is taking technology like renewables and incorporating them in to localism, seasonality of choices, and intermittency within the dominance of the natural cycles mention above. Food and water must be the keys and focus. I mention stoicism because life will surely get difficult and tough soon. We need a people who have relearned first how to live closer to nature and natures cycles and with more toughness to endure the difficulties ahead. There is no way to get around the pain and suffering ahead. The modernism we have likely has no future and the past skills and resources we left for a better life. The world biomass has been gutted for industrial agriculture. Stable climate is likely gone. This situation will require a new human type that is different in so many respects to current moderns and much more like Native American or subsistence culture. Yet, this must also be a modern hybrid with what we are now. The planet has changed too much for humans to return to semi-nomadic hunter gathers especially with nowhere to go with 7BIL people. Semi-nomadic hunter gathers may be the future post modernism but currently they are not possible except in very rare cases.

The flip side of this is a people who are willing and able to leave modernism that are able to practice a spirituality of natural wisdom. This wisdom today will have to incorporate a living with less mentality out of necessity for preparations for a future of less. It will also require an Amish style rejection of certain technologies that don’t incorporate into a new naturalism spirituality. The Amish reject technology or lifestyles based on how it affects their community. This is a Christian point of view. I am not say don’t have a religious POV but I am saying above the religious element there must be a naturalism POV of the wisdom to say no to modernism. We must reject lifestyles and attitudes that don’t’ correspond with a new naturalism. This means a much more authoritative type leadership structure. Liberal democracy and market based economics are likely here to stay until they fail because 7BIL people probably can’t be managed in globalism without it. Yet, at this local level I talk about there must be a yielding to this and a focus on their own micro culture. The yielding principal says don’t fight it just avoid it. The “it” is techno cancer. Wise men of the community must rule the flock. There must be checks and balances and these wise men cannot also control the entire leadership. There maybe should be a matriarchal element that allows the divisions of power that are necessary to control corruption and excesses. We don’t have to reinvent the wheel just tweak it with modernism.

I know this is fantasy and wishful thinking but I believe we need the ideas of what will or can work instead of fake green techno illusions that are really just science denial. Our science is true in its understanding of our predicaments but where it becomes trapped is in the catch 22 of solutions. There are no solutions to this tragedy of the commons that has a happy outcome. Our current green culture wants its cake and eat it. They want modernism and affluence and all its comforts without the pain and suffering required of a species like ours that has gone into overshoot and now has become an invasive species. We have to have less affluence which means draconian changes to lifestyles and attitudes and we must have a spiritual renaissance that embraces no and less. This is an embrace of wisdom and simplicity instead of growth and complexity. It is about ending the denial of death and embracing hospices both human and natural. Death with its decline and decay is the new paradigm. It is really quite revolutionary and different from what we do today in so many ways. I would then say it is probably only possible as isolated monasteries of enlightenment and micro cultures of communities of likeminded individuals in a time of great upheaval. What I said was a broad brush stoke it is for the local communities to decide the 1000’s of details.

Davy on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 8:01 am 



“Blain’s Morning Porridge – Nov 17th: The Great Crash of 2018? Look to the bond markets to trigger Mayhem!”
http://tinyurl.com/yczuy8ld

“I had the impression the markets had pretty much battened down for rest of 2017 – keen to protect this year’s gains. Wrong again. It seems there is another up-step. After the People’s Bank of China dropped $47 bln of money into its financial system (where bond yields have risen dramatically amid growing signs of wobble), the game’s afoot once more. The result is global stocks bound upwards. Again. It suggest Central Banks have little to worry about in 2018 – if markets get fraxious, just bung a load of money at them. Personally, I’m not convinced how the tau of monetary market distortion is a good thing? Markets have become like Pavlov’s dog: ring the easy money bell, and markets salivate to the upside. Of course, stock markets don’t matter. The truth is in bond markets. And that’s where I’m looking for the dam to break. The great crash of 2018 is going to start in the deeper, darker depths of the Credit Market. I’ve already expressed my doubts about the long-term stability of certain sectors – like how covenants have been compromised in high-yield even as spreads have compressed to record tights over Treasuries, about busted European regions trying to pass themselves off as Sovereign States (no I don’t mean the Catalans, I mean Italy!), and how the bond market became increasingly less discerning on risk in its insatiable hunt for yield. Chuck all of these in a mixing bowl and the result is a massive Kerrang as the gears of finance explode!”

JuanP on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 8:15 am 



Hi Ap, I want to thank you one more time for all the links you post here. I spend more time reading the articles you link to than reading the stuff posted here at PO. I also enjoy your articles more; I find them more interesting and instructive.

rockman on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 10:26 am 



D et al – And again you can stop trying to relate the presence of oil to depth. There is zero correlation. What appears as correlation is depth to temperature. And there’s no consistent relationship there either. Oil molecules are not stable at high temperatures. Not a theory but a fact proven in the lab.

There are areas in petroleum basins where oil cannot physically exist below 6,000′ and other basins where the temp gradient allows is to remain undamaged at 35,000′.

As far as the generation rate of the mythical abiotic oil it is obvious well beyond the human life span since we’ve seen no reservoirs fill up in our life time. Especially true for reservoirs we’ve depleted.

So back to Square 1: regardless of the origin of oil in a particular reservoir what matters is finding that reservoir. And exploration technology applies equally well for abiotic oil as well as organic sourced oil. There is one absolute correlation that holds: commercial oil deposits have only been found in geologic sections that contain significant amounts of organic matter.

One is certainly free to take that correlation as proof that oil has a biologic origin. But again that does not change the exploration process. IOW the technology used to explore for, drill and produce oil is not dependent upon how the oil was generated but on where it has accumulated.

And thus why the Rockman has no problem accepting the abiotic origin of oil because it didn’t make a f@cking difference in how he has explored for, drilled and produced oil for the last 4 decades. I got paid the same regardless of how the oil formed. LOL.

GregT on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 10:27 am 



“Blain’s Morning Porridge”

Slightly better than Blain’s gruel, one would imagine.

DMyers on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 10:38 am 



Makati1, thanks for the input on the issue I raised earlier about oil extracted from very deep spots. I reiterate that I am more of a skeptic than an advocate of abiotic oil. I also note again that the argument I have thrown out is made by the Russians.

You have described your approach as “logical”. However, I believe you have made a technical error in the matter. You have indicated that petroleum has a higher temperature of vaporization than does water. This is not the case. Petroleum vapor temp is 95 C. Petroleum is considered a “volatile” compound.

Does that change your analysis? It really comes down to a highly technical question, involving the nature of petroleum and of deep Earth formations, etc.

A review of the Russian position and its logic on this question would be enlightening.
I’ll try to find something on that.

GregT on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 10:43 am 



“Meanwhile, might I ask all you experts here for a list of behavior changes you’d recommend for humans, specifically things that humans could do (or stop doing) in short order?”

Bring an end to capitalism, and centralized control.

DMyers on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 11:01 am 



Rockman, good comment, concluding that even if abiotic oil is real, it doesn’t make a lot of difference.

“As far as the generation rate of the mythical abiotic oil it is obviously well beyond the human life span since we’ve seen no reservoirs fill up in our life time.”

I’m glad you said that, because that was my impression as well, though made from much less experience and information than you would have. However, this seems to be a matter of contention, as one argument for abiotic has to do with these old oil wells, abandoned as empty, later producing oil, as though they had been replenished. Is there a better explanation for this phenomenon?

Apneaman on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 2:23 pm 



THE MAP TO THE END OF OUR WORLD

https://canadianclimateaction.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/climate-food2.pdf

Apneaman on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 2:36 pm 



Houston’s Poorest Face Long, Uncertain Post-Harvey Recovery

“Roughly 25 percent to 30 percent of Houston’s Harris County became submerged, running up a tab of $190 billion in losses — the costliest storm in U.S. history.”

https://www.voanews.com/a/houston-poorest-post-harvey-recovery/4116376.html

Dredd on Fri, 17th Nov 2017 2:40 pm 



If oil was abiotic it would not contain carbon atoms (On the Origin of the Genes of Viruses – 13, cf. The New Paradigm: The Physical Universe Is Mostly Machine).