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Would Rural Areas Be Safer In A SHTF Situation?
In a situation where national infrastructure and life sustaining resources are suddenly cut off , population density will have a lot to do with how well you get by in the days following the crisis. When it happens, what you have on hand will likely be all you have to work with for an extended time. Those that lack supplies will seek out and take what they need in an increasingly hostile manner as time goes on. This is why being in a large city will likely be hazardous to your well being.
Very few will argue that being in a rural area when something catastrophic happens will greatly increase your chances of survival. A lower population density and more available natural resources to help you get by will make long term survival much easier. This is why so many people advocate heading for a rural area when something happens. The problem is unless you are already established in a rural area, survival will not necessarily be easier.
Leaving the city when supplies and infrastructure are shut down would work only up to a point. Rural areas are like anywhere else. They have infrastructure designed to service a certain number of people that normally live there. The housing, restaurants, roadways, water systems and grocery stores will only handle a small excess of people even in the best of times. When the city dwellers suddenly evacuate to the rural areas in mass, they will simply be taking many of their big city problems with them. They will likely find no housing, food supplies or other infrastructure they need to live.
Because of this many small towns will likely close their roads at some point and prevent entry to anyone who does not live there. They will suddenly realize their already finite resources will not be enough for themselves much less thousands of new people. This realization will likely come only after they have been inundated with strangers demanding supplies and housing. It is for this reason that rural dwellers should hope cities are locked down fairly quickly to prevent people from leaving.
When Henry Kaiser built a new shipyard in Richmond, Ca. in the 1940’s the town was suddenly overwhelmed with new workers. People lived in shoddy trailers they towed in, some slept in boarding houses in shifts and the schools ran three shifts a day. Eventually they built the new infrastructure they needed and life went on but this only happened because they were living in normal times when everything was working properly. Imagine an influx of people into a small town when supplies are already limited and likely to get worse as time goes on.
That is why it is essential that you establish yourself in a rural area before something happens. Simply hoping to show up following an event is no plan and will likely cause resentment by the locals when supplies run low.
Rural areas offer the opportunity to be much more self reliant than city spaces. This is the reason rural areas offer people a better chance to survive something like a grid down scenario. This is only true until the carrying capacity of the rural area is breached. That is when the city problems become rural problems. Simply moving a mass of unprepared people to another area with even less infrastructure will not solve the problem, it will only change the surroundings and create other problems.
There is an old saying that you never eat your seed stock. Self sufficient people know this because if they eat their seeds or butcher their breeding stock they will not have anything to raise the following year which will lead to eventual starvation or loss of future income. To an unprepared person that thinks food is produced in a factory, preserving seed stock makes no sense when they are hungry right now. They do not care about next year, they only care about today which is why they got into their situation in the first place. This is the type of situation that can doom a society if they lose the ability to produce future crops, even on a small scale.
Will rural areas be safer in a SHTF situation? Only if they can maintain order and protect the resources they have to insure long term sustainability of the community. Most communities are not prepared for this type of situation and will need a steep learning curve if they are to survive it. Many will likely not survive it.
Modern farming communities do not have the infrastructure to maintain themselves like many once did. Factory farming has moved much of the local production to central locations around the nation and few farmers produce their own seed locally. These and other modern systems will make it difficult for many farm communities to even care for their own much less thousands of new arrivals.
The only communities that are likely to survive in tact are the ones that are mostly self sufficient already and have a plan to maintain production and protect themselves from looters and overcrowding. Simply running to a rural area in a time of crisis is no cure all. Wherever you are, the key to survival will be advance preparation and a good plan.
142 Comments on "Would Rural Areas Be Safer In A SHTF Situation?"
Mad Kat on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 6:02 am
“Would Rural Areas Be Safer In A SHTF Situation?”
Only if the roads ere closed to easy access. Not likely in the US where there are multiple roads to most places. And few, if any, communities in the US are “self-sufficient”. Not even close.
“…the key to survival will be advance preparation and a good plan.”
Not gonna happen if you wait until the last minute to begin. It may already be too late. Not like the pre-storm milk and bread event. lol
Davy on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 6:37 am
It is really hard to judge where to be in a collapse because one cannot know the nature of collapse. There are too many variables and scenarios to have a rule of thumb. Cities are power centers so certain types of collapses they will be a better place to be. Cities will expropriate resources by the virtue of their being a power center. This would be the case in the beginning of a collapse or just a long emergency period. In a long emergency those rural areas without much value to the power centers will be triaged off life-support so things like fuel and power may not be available. We may even see rural people in areas with little value migrate to the cities. Urban power centers will be doing everything they can to maintain their support. Those rural areas vital to the urban areas life-support will be maintained in a long emergency situation because of self-interest of the power center. Food and fuel will be high on the list. You can be sure the military and police will enforce expropriations where the self-interest of the power centers are concerned. So it is going to become a matter of relative value with degree of disruption in relation to rural or urban advantage.
In a mad max kind of collapse rural areas most certainly will be the best place to be initially. Rural areas that can avoid being overrun in this scenario will be good places to be. Rural areas with the ability to absorb fleeing urban inhabitants will determine carrying capacity of a collapse scenario. Those people in rural areas that have a degree of self-sufficiency will also matter. If you live in a semi-rural area but are little more than a suburbanite you will be no better than an urbanite because your support is the urban area near you. Initially in the days or weeks after the initial collapse these suburban areas may have less population pressure so they are intermediate in vulnerability.
This scenario is going to play out globally too. Major Powers will garner necessary resources and minor powers or unimportant states will be triaged off life-support. Nations with vital resources will be maintained. Those powers with strong militaries will enforce the new status quo. It is unclear whether competing power centers will cooperate or fight each other. Mutual self-interest may lead to cooperation. A wrong move could lead to major confrontations. All this again depends on the type of collapse. A NUK war could render parts of the world non-functional. It would not matter who that is power or not. A major power nation could collapse in on itself for unknown reasons with the remaining powers managing this collapse without total collapse. Collapse will be a contagion so how quarantined a collapse vector is will dictate how bad the knock on effect will be. What is certain is globalism will leave no local or region unaffected. Never before has man been so vulnerable to systematic collapse on such a big scale. The type of disturbance is critical. This would matter if it is food, fuel, or systematics like economic or social forces.
This is going to come down to first the nature of the collapse. It will than come down to the carrying capacity of the local within the region then the global. It will come down to the value of the local in relation to the power center. Sustainability and resilience are a key. Social stability is a key. The randomness of chance will play a part. In all these situation an individual should have a basic of preparations. It is unclear how much preparations will benefit someone. The more the better but more does not ensure success. It is more the nature of the process itself in regards to survivability. There is no formula for turbulence and collapse can be considered systematic turbulence. Collapse is one of the most misunderstood of systematic processes. It is one with the most emotions attached to it. I see people here who trumpet extremes of collapse looking foolish and uninformed. It is a complicated subject because you are dealing with a complicated global civilization and human nature. Don’t always expect the worst. Ultimately collapse like death is an individual experience.
Davy on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 6:43 am
“Only if the roads ere closed to easy access. Not likely in the US where there are multiple roads to most places. And few, if any, communities in the US are “self-sufficient”. Not even close.”
Rubbish mad kat, you are just agenda peddling. You think because your fantasy farm is 100mi from Manila you are safe because the roads can be blocked. You are delusional anti-American if you think you can claim the US is only one in danger because of its road system. A good road system will allow better support functions to happen depending on the collapse. It will allow populations to move more freely to areas of safety. You may starve in week’s md kat at your fantasy farm after you eat your pet cobra and the poor tribe of monkey nearby.
twocats on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 7:01 am
“It is really hard to judge where to be in a collapse because one cannot know the nature of collapse.” Davy – yup.
the roads issue is not completely insignificant – Cotati (California) has a city plan to blow up a bridge along 101 which is the main (and pretty much only road) connecting it to San Francisco metro area.
twocats on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 7:10 am
“In a mad max kind of collapse rural areas most certainly will be the best place to be initially.”
sorry davy but that’s not a given. In the original Mad Max society has been teetering on collapse for an unknown period of time and it is unclear which is worse – city or rural, but MOST of the absolute lawlessness is taking place in the country. at least in that film.
Hello on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 7:13 am
>>> Cotati (California) has a city plan to blow up a bridge along 101
where is that bridge? Looking on google maps I see Cotati right next to bigger Rohnert Park with no significant bridge before the Golden Gate.
Shortend on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 7:17 am
Drinkable clean water will be a big factor also. After Hurricane Irma and the Earthquake in Haiti, that was and is a major problem
Another challenge is security. In rural places especially, roaming bands or gangs and unprepared neighbors could be a deadly risk.
The website, Surviving in Argentine after the financial collapse is a good resource.
Good luck
Hello on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 7:18 am
>>> Would Rural Areas Be Safer In A SHTF Situation?
Looking at failed states like mexico gives a good indication of the situation to come.
Life sucks in both city and country.
In the city you have to deal with gangs/corrupt police/general misery of scavenging for food.
In the country you have 0 services/gangs/corrupt or absent police, but you have some meager means of growing some of your food.
twocats on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 7:28 am
Without knowing the nature of the collapse I would say there are still a couple of key factors:
1) Control of food resources. In vast swathes of the US food production in rural areas in controlled by just a handful of people. (I had family that grew up in central ohio and I still have in-laws that farm for a living). Would land rights be instantly abolished? Assuming these people are given priority access to either fuel (for tractors and transport) or labor for the fields, it is unclear who will get to decide where those resources go after the harvest. If a militarized force is involved and it is controlled by a nearby city, well then, those items are heading to the city.
2) Control of urban populations. Americans by default think that all collapses will lead to looting, rioting, and an instant reversion to rape and cannibalism. This is pure fantasy and its not at all clear what would happen. First off, each city is different in temperament and sense of togetherness. I think the racial tensions and legacy of racial violence – primarily African Americans in most urban areas (though don’t discount Native American tensions in many rural areas) that exist in most major cities is definitely a negative. But I think Puerto Rico is a good example. I think most of us imagine that if 50% of our neighbors didn’t have power for months and months on end while the rest of the country was watching the super bowl that we’d be raising arms in revolt, well, hasn’t happened yet.
3) International cooperation. With the global sourcing for parts and resources, just-in-time supply chains, being what they are, the “collapse” takes on a lot of different tones depending on how thoroughly ruptured those supply chains are. Could we keep the tractors running (in example 1) without Chinese parts? How about our electrical grid – even for a couple hours a day? What about nuclear plants? Water systems? I’m assuming all these systems are sourced globally. And of course, if the collapse leads to blame, leads to war, then that is obviously a low amount of international cooperation, and city and rural won’t be so important versus fighting/not-fighting. Maybe every family that gives a soldier to the war gets fed.
twocats on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 7:39 am
sorry hello – wasn’t thinking straight – I meant Willits. Keep in mind this is before the bypass was built. and if you want to know how easy it would have been to take out the bridge keep in mind that the new bridge fell on its own:
http://www.times-standard.com/article/NJ/20150122/NEWS/150129966
twocats on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 7:42 am
cotati, sandwiched between santa rosa and SF would be obliterated in a collapse in a “roving hoards” scenario.
peakyeast on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 7:43 am
Captain Nemo was probably right.
A few feet below the surface and you are in a world where few ever set their feet.
Hello on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 7:48 am
Ah, Willits. Nice town, do they still have the skunk train going? I haven’t been there in maybe 20 years.
But I think Willits is too big, if they blow up the bridge they won’t hold out for long.
A better place seems Covelo. Also surrounded by mountains, but with more land and less population.
dave thompson on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 7:50 am
If collapse means no food no fuel and no water it would take not much and we would be dead.
twocats on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 7:55 am
hey hello – not from there so I’m not up-to-date on the skunk train! but that did make me laugh, so thank you.
I agree 100% with both your points, I was just trying to shed some ambiguity on the black/white mad kat/davy scuffle that was brewing which has become such a regular feature here.
covela seems a much better choice. even if it didn’t work out I could think of worse places to die.
Davy on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 8:09 am
“In a mad max kind of collapse rural areas most certainly will be the best place to be initially.” sorry davy but that’s not a given.”
I would say in general just for reasons of carrying capacity of most large cities. Initially the dangers of panic of large concentrations of people in a hard collapse is obvious but not a given
MD on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 8:31 am
having lived long term in both urban and rural, I would choose rural, as long as I had been living there a very long time, long enough to become well established, connected, and known by the locals. The kind of places where it takes twenty years or so to gain trust. Someplace where the county seat has a pop of 30-50k or so, and the farmers are armed and dangerous. Don’t think such places are so easily overrun. I live in Florida now, so if the power goes out for more than a couple weeks, I’ll likely end up on the menu one night. meh. i’m old and useless anyway
MD on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 8:33 am
I don’t worry about such things any more. “tomorrow will be just like today. leave me alone, I am counting sand with my eyelids.”
Darrell Cloud on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 8:45 am
The Progressives will adopt the age old pattern of forming a ruthless dictatorship that will attempt to rape and pillage the countryside in an effort to survive. They will initiate massive sweeps in an effort to confiscate the food and fuel they need to stay in power. In the process they will take out the producers and the shortages will become even greater.
The Deplorables will bitterly cling to their Bibles, their Constitutions, and their guns. They will heed Solzhenitsyn’s warning and kill the agents of the Progressive state when they kick in their doors. Then they will coalesce into a swarm that will turn out the lights in the blue archipelago.
Most of us will not survive the horror.
Ghung on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 9:02 am
Too many variables to make a determination, but, as they say, cities are 3 days from chaos and a week from starvation. Far too many people; far too little food without just-in-time deliveries.
“Rural” is a wide brush. 30 miles from Atlanta is often considered rural, but is generally suburbs these days. 50 miles, while rural, is just a couple of gallons of gas from the city core and will be overrun by refugees. Be at least two hours from the nearest city.
Our rural county has about 10K permanent residents, but grows by at least 50% in summer due to people with summer homes, mainly from Florida. They tend to act bossy and entitled, so many wouldn’t be welcome back. Also, most local families have extended family that will run back to “the farm”. Even with the fairly low permanent population, our rural area wouldn’t be self-sufficient for long (not initially). Doubling the population would be very problematic. We are also at the end of a fairly long supply chain and would be on our own since most aid (whatever there is) will go to cities. Triage will mean that rural areas will be on their own to hopefully cooperate with nearby rural communities, or not. Good news is a strong sense of community and that law enforcement and government are largely local. We are well organized at a scale that may be manageable.
Energy? Our community is near a 12 MW hydro reservoir and has a couple of megawatts of grid-tied solar which could be managed for critical needs (pumping water and sewerage in town, command/control/medical/refrigeration) and all outlying folks are on wells/springs and septic systems. Population control will be key to managing those resources. Again, problematic.
Food will be a problem everywhere. Even here, where there is quite a bit of agriculture, making it through the first year, so food production can be ramped up, will be hard. Our wildlife will be under huge pressure. I harvest a couple of deer each year for the freezer and we have a healthy deer population on our place, but poaching will be rampant. I hear squirrel, rabbit and possum are pretty good with a little Frank’s hot sauce, so we stay stocked up on stuff like that. Long shelf-life 😉
We have a large retirement population and many folks, elderly especially, will have to go without their meds. Diabetics will likely be screwed, as will folks who survive only due to their medications. Again, the JIT problem.
Triage…… BAU people won’t handle that well at all. Got beans? Got rice? Got ammo?
John D on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 9:14 am
About 4 years ago I started the process. Met with a survival ‘expert’, bought 10 acres with stream, only one road in. Built an earth sheltered home with solar power. One next door neighbor is a farmer who I let use part of my land for grazing. My only other neighbor is my best friend and gun expert. I am looking at starting a garden this spring.
After all this however, I have very little confidence that I would survive more than a few months more than the average person. And if I did survive would it be a life worth living? Who really knows? Maybe we should just live for today.
Davy on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 10:10 am
John, I am well prepared in a good location like you. For me I think having a few weeks or months matters. This could be an amazing last experience of real drama. I do not want to be in panic mode from day one. I would rather have time to digest the situation. Panic is less likely if one has time to organize.
I am an acedemic doomer and a hobby prepper. The acedemic part means I study this scientifically with as little emotions as I can. The hobby part is no less serious than say a believer. The reason I say hobbyist is I enjoy prepping and the way of life. It is alternative and educational. A good prepper is well rounded and may have a specialty.
I am not taking prepping too serious like I once did because society does not and longer term it will significantly come down to community sustainability and resilience. This may be a reason why location should be one of your highest priorities if you have a choice. A properly located prepper makes all the difference.
Grey Squirrel on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 10:22 am
Cuba. 1990. One fuel supplier called Soviet Union. Exports sugar to the supplier, except that the value of fuel is way greater than payment. Collective agriculture. Very dependant of fuel.
The fuel supplier collapses. Fuel supply decreases to essentially 0. Big party in Miami, “Castros days are numbered”.
10 years later ..
Every adult in Cuba weights 10 kg (about 21 pounds) less than (s)he used to. There is a law, that drivers with empty seats MUST give hitchikers a ride. Private backyard gardens permited.
10 more years pass.
Castro dies of old age.
Estamos Jodidos on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 11:04 am
Been self sufficient for 7-8 years now. Took 15 years to get there, so over 20 years total in the same location. 75 miles from the nearest interstate and a total county population of about 2300. High desert, and very dependent upon winter snowpack and monsoon rains in the summer time. Haven’t had either this past year. No snow this winter, temperatures way over normal (7-25+ since November). Lots of canned and bottled food in the pantry, two freezers full of beef, pork, lamb, goat and venison. We’ll put another beef in the freezer this coming fall, around 700-800 lbs of meat. BUT, we are dependent upon electricity to keep our meat frozen. We do have maybe 200 bottles of deer meat, and another 300 or 400 hundred bottles of vegetables of various kinds. If we have time, we need a good smokehouse and a root cellar. Even with all we’ve done, making it totally on our own, without fuel or electricity would be tough. I keep saying I need to train a couple of steers as oxen, so I’m not absolutely dependent on the tractor. Too much to do sometimes and I’m over 70 now, healthy, but not at all able to do what I could even 10 years ago. We’ll do the best we can.
bobinget on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 11:35 am
On the Left Coast, our biggest concern has to be major, overdue, T plate slippage. There’s an old saying, ‘if you see nothing but hill-sides 360, you are standing in a hole’. WE farm at the end of a long valley. I hope death comes quickly.
Anonymous on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 11:47 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWC6W1ctkMY
Cloggie on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 12:49 pm
The answer to the question in the title is a clear “YES”.
From family experiences… My mother was born and grew up in Amsterdam. In the winter of 1944-1945 the food situation was so desperate that they began to eat tulip bulbs, of which there were and are quite a lot in Holland…
https://tinyurl.com/y9u4m2kw
My grandfather was famous for proclaiming to his family that these bulbs tasted so good, that they would eat them after the war (they didn’t).
Cloggie on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 12:51 pm
Fortunately, my grandfather, who had a garage that was confiscated by the Germans and who were present during the day, while a family of German Jews were hidden in the cellar below, had family in the East of the country with a farm. They could provide some food, after a bicycle trip of 2 x 150 km that is. Since there was no rubber, the tires were made of wood:
http://kakelbont.freeweb.nl/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/P1090506-kopie.jpg
…if you were lucky:
http://www.geheugenvantilburg.nl/image/thumb/0/0/32305.jpg
Since then general family wisdom is that in times of trouble it is better to be situated in country-side.
Cloggie on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 12:56 pm
I live in the city and won’t take any chances and have a 100 m2 vegetable garden of my own with a greenhouse behind the house in the middle of the city, surrounded by high fences in a “gated community” (double defense) and I have four years of experience behind me. Providing your own food is very easy and it makes more sense to work in the garden then to go the gym to get some exercise. I have a big freezer, will perhaps buy a second one if I smell trouble and I already have a generator, just in case. You can store gasoline in a jerrycan for 25 years. 2 jerrycans are enough for the winter and my super efficient freezer of 200 kwh/year.
http://www.mediamarkt.nl/nl/product/_bosch-gsn58aw41-1351302.html
Bedroom doesn’t need heating and I have 2 seasons worth of chopped firewood behind the house and a small stove with which I can easily heat the smallest room in the house, in the worst case.
Dredd on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 1:07 pm
There are plenty enough fools in Oil-Qaeda that we will find out (Humble Oil-Qaeda).
Dredd on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 1:10 pm
Note to file: Doomsday Clock Moves but not to the country …
Davy on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 1:28 pm
Neder, gas does not store well long term, just sayin
Cloggie on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 1:57 pm
Yes you can, 25 years, on the authority of the German national ADAC, sort of German equivalent American Yellow Angels:
http://www.auto.de/magazin/adac-kraftstoff-bei-richtiger-lagerung-lange-haltbar/
But you must store it in metal jerrycans, not plastic.
Cloggie on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 2:03 pm
https://www.impulse.de/auto/benzin-lagern/2186656.html
“Wie lange kann man Benzin und Diesel lagern?
Bei Diesel zumindest lohnt sich eine längere Lagerung auch aus anderen Gründen nicht: Denn der Sprit ist laut Boos nur wenige Monate haltbar. Anders ist es bei Benzin: „Luftdicht gelagert zeigt das selbst nach 20 Jahren keine Veränderungen.“”
Diesel – a few months
Gasoline – 20 years at least
Davy on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 2:18 pm
Neder, maybe German gas but US gas is bad in one year tops. Obviously you are not very knowledgeable about equipment and farming.
Cloggie on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 2:27 pm
I’m apparently knowledgable about European quality stuff. Couldn’t care less about US gas.
But do you have a link about US gas degrading in a year, or just an opinion?
Davy on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 2:35 pm
Don’t need a link, neder, I have experience with equipment for 40 years. Using old gas is just plain stupid.
Cloggie on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 3:12 pm
Thought so, just another opinion. Davy doesn’t do stoopid links and doesn’t watch stoopid videos. Nobody fools Davy.
Ghung on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 3:23 pm
The EU allows benzene in their gasoline to 1% which may help it last longer. I think the US limits benzene 0.6 percent. There are other formulation and additive requirements. US oxygenated fuel doesn’t last so well.
In the US, stored winter-blended 90 octane ethanol-free fuel with a stabilizer can last a long time if the container is totally sealed. I used up a can this summer that was about 4 years old with no problem. I used care to not mix up what settled to the bottom over time. Stored E10 in a plastic container lasts about 6 months, IME. I never use ethanol in my small engines anyway, and generally add Sta-Bil if I’m not using it right away.
It also matters how the fuel was refined. Catalyst-cracked gasoline doesn’t last as long.
Cloggie on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 4:07 pm
I must add the German gasoline of 25 years storage was leaded. Perhaps that made the difference.
Not that I plan to bury gasoline in my garden for 25 years. I know in advance when to fill my “jerry”-cans.
Mad Kat on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 4:50 pm
Shortend, thanks for the site ref. I’ll read more of it later. We can use all the experiences and ideas we can get to make decisions for the future in our locations.
Mad Kat on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 5:06 pm
Twocats, I agree that all places will have different experiences and degrees of collapse. If it continues to be slow, adapting will be easier. If it suddenly goes over the cliff, it is anyone’s guess, but it will still depend on where in the world you live. I would to want to be most places in the US. The American mindset is not about self-sufficiency but greed and sloth. Too many guns, drugs, and gangs.
As most know, my choice is in the countryside of the Philippines. The people are friendly, self-sufficient and not tied to imports/banks/government. Being at least 100 miles from any city and only two roads access thru the mountains makes it a good place to live. Rains close the roads frequently so access will be cut off early in any collapse. All things considered, I made my choice. Have you?
MASTERMIND on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 5:09 pm
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MASTERMIND on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 5:11 pm
Okay for some reason the cookies were fucking up and blocking my comments! I am back you ignorant fuckers!
Now you listen and you listen good! The only way to survive collapse is by hitting the road and keeping moving. And stealing and foraging along the way. Based on the logic “YOU CAN RUN BUT YOU CAN’T HIDE”
Read the book “The Road”
MASTERMIND on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 5:14 pm
Why is Madkat and GregT so deluded?
Reason “Sunk Cost Fallacy”
They have invested to much into their prepps to ever admit they are worthless and will end up being zombie food…This is also the main reason why people deny our collapse can happen as well. They have invested to much time and energy into their lives to have it all disappear in a collapse.
https://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/03/25/the-sunk-cost-fallacy/
Mad Kat on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 5:27 pm
All of this debate may be meaningless in a heartbeat.
“It’s Official! The Risk Of Nuclear Annihilation Is At An All-Time High”
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-25/risk-nuclear-annihilation-all-time-high
“On Thursday, the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists raised the likelihood of an apocalyptic nuclear catastrophe to its highest level in the clock’s 70+-year history, the Washington Post reported.”
And who is threatening the world? Why, The insane US, of course.
Mad Kat on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 5:34 pm
MM, worthless? Preps are things you use everyday. Worthless is the numbers you have in your bank account. You cannot eat them, wear them or seek shelter in them. They will disappear in heartbeat some day. Ditto for cash/credit.
Preps in hand will not. Not to mention that things bought today are cheaper than they will be tomorrow. A savings, not a loss.
Investing time and labor is what we who work for a living have done for all of our lives. If you do not work, you are leech on others who do. All you have came from someone investing time and labor. Some of us have invested in out future. Have you?
MASTERMIND on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 5:36 pm
Madkat
Gen Mattis: National Defense Strategy 2018 : “Keep Russia and China Down”
Mattis accuses China and Russia of wanting to,
“shape a world consistent with their authoritarian model—gaining veto authority over other nations’ economic, diplomatic, and security decisions.”
https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/Documents/pubs/2018-National-Defense-Strategy-Summary.pdf
Those bastards want to create a slave state for the entire world! Never going to happen those stupid fucks! We will meet you at the door any day!
MASTERMIND on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 5:39 pm
Madkat
What about all the people around you that have not invested for the future in prepping? Do you think they will bother you for some food and water when they run out? And how much can you possibly have stored and saved? A few months or a year tops? What are you going to do after that point? do you think starving people will allow a second harvest?
MASTERMIND on Thu, 25th Jan 2018 5:42 pm
Madkat
See the more you prep the more you invest and the more deluded you become…That is called a feedback loop! Do you really think you will survive when the stores run out of food and water…When their is no electricity and gasoline? When everyone all around you is scrambling from door to door foraging and stealing anything they can to stay alive?