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What Can Collapsologists Learn From the Coronavirus Disaster?

—————— This time, it is for real! ——————–

Guest post by Herbert Krill

March 23, 2020

These are interesting times for collapsologists and for anyone interested in collapse. For many years, we all studied the past, historic collapses like the Fall of Ancient Rome, and speculated about future collapses. We studied Joseph Tainter, Jared Diamond, read the Blogs of Dmitry Orlov and James Howard Kunstler, re-read “The Limits to Growth” and “Overshoot”, enjoyed “The Long Descent” and so on … But now, something that could end in collapse is really here. There is a very fast decline of things as we speak, a “cliff” just as Seneca and Ugo Bardi and others have described.

Is the Coronavirus disaster our collapse? Is that “it”?

It might not “the Big One”. But it’s a big, fat Black Swan. And big enough to learn a lot from it. Like one learns from a quake, even if it’s not the Big One.

What is it that we have learned so far?

All the big systems need redundancy

Next time we will have to be better prepared. All this “slowdown”, this trying to “flatten the curve” that’s happening now (and disturbing the economy and the people themselves, although there are also positive sides to it, see below) could have been mitigated if a better health infrastructure would have been in place. The thing is, you have to build redundancy into the system, some overcapacity.

If you have capacity, then you don’t have to slow down things so much. Think of fire-fighting. Fires are quick, they need to be attacked quickly. You have to have overcapacity. Fire engines sitting around idly, seemingly uselessly, until the call comes. Firefighters being bored, playing cards (or, rather, playing their smartphones). But no-one will say, “We don’t need so many of them if they don’t actually work.” At some point, they will be needed, in a flash.

And that goes for the health care system as well. There should have been many more hospital beds available (even if empty most of the time), more respirators, protective suits, and so forth. If you don’t have that infrastructure, you will have to build it quickly, like you do in a war. It was funny to see those pictures of dozens of caterpillars digging the foundations of emergency hospitals in China, but a week later, those hospitals were actually ready. America did that sort of thing in World War II, regular factories were converted into producing arms, planes, ships, at an incredible rate. But for that to happen you need leadership. There was a Franklin D. Roosevelt then, not a Trump.

And the rest of the infrastructure?

For collapsologists, it will be interesting to see how the rest of the infrastructure holds together. Here in California, the Internet works (thank God), electricity flows, the mailperson makes his or her rounds, and amazon deliveries are still happening, albeit a bit delayed already. Even though there are lines in front of the supermarkets (people spaced two meters apart), there are not real food shortages. But will it stay that way?

The other day, I was reassured by reading an article in the L.A. Times about electricity distribution in California. “Say what you will about the utility industry – they’re pretty good about contingency planning,” Stephen Berberich, president of the California Independent System Operator, which manages the electric grid for most of the state, was quoted. The big electric grids, though sometimes weak, are systems that have always planned for disaster. They might be more vulnerable by a computer virus than a biological one.

But still, things can get stressed way too much. What if an earthquake decides to strike us right now? For example, a major rupture of the Hayward Fault, running through Oakland and Berkeley, about 10 km from where I live, is way overdue. Kamala Harris, California senator and recently a presidential candidate, worried aloud about this. It’s not just a fantasy. Just a couple of days ago, there was a mid-size earthquake outside Zagreb. People running out on the street and congregating, instead of staying inside, as per official Coronavirus mitigation strategy.

A cure worse than the disease?

Isn’t the current cure what’s causing the “slow collapse”? That’s probably what President Trump and his people think. They don’t want the economy fall to pieces. “The U.S. was not built to be shut down,” he said today. He wants to get things running soon again. But what’s more important, the economy or the people? Or are they one and the same?

It’s a big, bold and perhaps desperate experiment, all this shutting down of everything, of “non-essential businesses”, of more activities day by day, including most transportation and especially flying. There is certainly a danger that the whole economic edifice, or house of cards, depending on your point of view, could yet fall down. So interesting to watch this in real time! But just let’s not be caught underneath the rubble.

Gail Tverberg (students of collapsology will know her) wrote recently on her blog: “Human beings cannot stop eating and breathing for a month. They cannot have sleep apnea for an hour at a time, and function afterward. Economies cannot stop functioning for a month and afterward resume operations at their previous level. Too many people will have lost their jobs; too many businesses will have failed in the meantime.”

There is already talk of “cascading effects” in the mainstream press. And today, on Bloomberg, the word “domino effect”: “Real estate investor Tom Barrack said the U.S. commercial-mortgage market is on the brink of collapse and predicted a domino effect of catastrophic economic consequences if …”. This is classical collapsology.

The psychological impact

You cannot tell people just to stay at home, not to do anything, for a long time. It’s bad for their mental health. Many will become slightly unhinged. The “Guardian” just had an article about domestic violence increasing, in China in February and now in the U.S. as well: “A domestic violence hotline in Portland, Oregon, says calls doubled last week.” And “The New Yorker” came out with this story: “How Loneliness from Coronavirus Isolation Takes Its Toll”.

The “shelter in place” policy actually exacerbates the gulf between the haves and the have-nots. You were lucky if you had booked a suite with a balcony on the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship when you had to wait out fourteen days of quarantine, instead of an interior room without any windows at all. The same goes for small apartments in a crowded city.

Stay-at-home and creative types like writers can cope with this, but most people are dependent on going out, having a drink at a bar, going to the movies, be part of a crowd. It’s bad for the average guy, for the working classes, to be cooped up like that.

Positive sides, unintended

If you are not too stressed out, it’s a time for reflection. Cherishing nature, family, or even thinking of death, it’s good for you. Strangely enough, most churches are closed, as well. It will be a most unusual Easter this year.

Less greenhouse gases getting released, the air becomes clean again, for example in China. Time slows down, becomes available again. It’s a period of deceleration. And by and by it starts to resemble a “World Made by Hand”, the title of a novel by James Howard Kunstler, in which the post-collapse world was not a bad one indeed.

And despite of the new etiquette of “social distancing” (a brand-new expression, only ten days old or so) there is more face-to-face friendliness. And people are more in touch with each other via telephone, email, Facebook and such.

Just a dress rehearsal?

It’s a big moment in history and therefore exciting. There is a “global feeling”. Awaiting the coming days, weeks, and months. I communicate with my friends in Austria, Germany, and the Czech Republic as much as I can. Everyone does this now. When will we see each other again? We are united in isolation. And it’s a global unity against an unseen, common enemy.

But perhaps this is just a fire drill, a dress rehearsal. The real thing, a much worse pandemic, might come later. A more contagious, and/or more deadly virus could emerge. Peter Daszak, a well-known “disease ecologist”, thinks the current crisis will prove to be manageable, noting that the mortality rate of Covid-19 isn’t as great as SARS and the spread isn’t rampant. “I’m not hiding in my bunker right now,” he told the “Wall Street Journal” at the beginning of the month. “We’re going to get hit by a much bigger one sometime in the next 10 years.” Really?

So we collapsologists may get our “Big One” after all. We may even die from it.

Up to now, we were more or less theoreticians. Now it gets far more real. We were Cassandras, collapse aficionados, we kind of enjoyed our post-apocalyptic visions.

But who would have thought that we would really experience something like this?

Now we should stop speculating and start analyzing this event, the Coronavirus Crisis of 2020 or whatever it will be called. Create a framework, set rules, detect mechanisms, make Collapsology a real science.

Cassandra’s legacy

94 Comments on "What Can Collapsologists Learn From the Coronavirus Disaster?"

Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 5:27 am

2020
Collapse
But… oil price $20

Who would have thought.

No peak oil supply.
No financial collapse.

Instead a stupid virus, probably a bio-weapon.

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 5:42 am

“No peak oil supply. No financial collapse.”

You are so much in denial it is hilarious. WTF do you think is going on, cloggo? It is called a financial collapse. Like other economic sheeples you think just because we did not have a Minsky Moment of economic ending activity all is fine. The ship just hit the iceberg, Mr. clueless.

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 5:54 am

PO dead?? Think again!

“THE ENERGY DISASTER KICKING INTO FULL GEAR: World Is Totally Unprepared For What’s Ahead”
https://tinyurl.com/wq6bp6k srsroccoreport

“There’s more evidence finally surfacing in the media of the dire energy predicament the world is now facing. The negative ramifications of peak oil and the falling EROI were going to hit the world economy within the next 2-5 years, but the global contagion has sped up the process considerably. Unfortunately, the world will never return back to the energy consumption and GDP growth experienced in 2019. I believe the peak of unconventional oil production has finally arrived… FOREVER. Here are a few highlights describing the ongoing ENERGY DISASTER taking place I believe the IEA’s forecast for a decline of 18.7 million barrels per day (mbd) in April will be grossly understated. It will likely fall 25-30+ mbd by April. As I watch the POOR SLOB ANALYSTS on CNBC trying to make a case that the market has hit bottom, I wonder if they have any idea about the tremendous amount of carnage taking place in the MAIN DRIVER of the economy… the Global Oil Industry.”

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 6:09 am

This for the Anglo deranged cloggo that is in denial of the carnage in his own back yard:

“Dutch Hospital Staff Show ‘Insidious Nature’ of Coronavirus”
https://tinyurl.com/vuxjczg Bloomberg

“When a handful of Dutch health workers fell ill days after the Netherlands’ first Covid-19 case, it prompted mass screening at two hospitals. What scientists found surprised them. Some 1,353 hospital staff in Breda and Tilburg, who recently suffered typical winter coughs and sniffles, were tested for the coronavirus. Of those, 86 — or 6.4% — were positive. Barely half had a fever, and the majority reported working while they were mildly ill. The “unexpected high prevalence” indicated hidden community spread, Marion Koopmans, Jan Kluytmans, and colleagues said in a report on Friday. The research is the first to describe clinical effects of the pandemic-causing disease among health-care workers and “confirms the insidious nature” of the coronavirus…Dutch hospitals will probably reach full capacity in intensive care units Sunday because of the pandemic, the Trouw newspaper said, citing numbers from a medical association. The government is in talks with Germany about transferring critically ill patients to its eastern neighbor. Doctors have begun asking elderly patients if they become infected whether they would prefer to be cared for at home, rather than add to the demand on intensive care units — a move that’s sparked panic among older citizens, the Telegraaf newspaper reported. “We are experiencing a rapid increase of cases in our community, and now in the hospital,” Kluytmans, a co-author of the paper and a consultant microbiologist in Breda and professor of the epidemiology of health-care associated infections in Utrecht, said in a phone interview on March 12.”

Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 6:22 am

“This for the Anglo deranged cloggo that is in denial of the carnage in his own back yard:”

Carnage?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/

600 deaths, mostly old people.

And now off to the sauna!

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/joseph-mercola/high-heat-may-kill-the-coronavirus/

“High Heat May Kill the Coronavirus”

Flues usually occur during the Winter time. There is some hope that this might apply to corona as well.

Your body combats the virus with fever = high temperature. In a sauna you can simulate a fever.

The alternative is waiting for higher temperatures outside.

Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 6:26 am

Wuhan opening its metro again, as well as city borders after two months of lockdown, but only for healthy people, with a code on their mobile phones:

https://www.nu.nl/coronavirus/6040938/wuhan-start-metros-op-en-opent-deel-van-stadsgrens-na-twee-maanden-lockdown.html

Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 6:29 am

80% of the corona ICU dwellers are obese:

https://www.nu.nl/coronavirus/6040891/80-procent-van-coronapatienten-op-ic-kampt-ook-met-overgewicht.html

We’re shutting down society so fatties can perhaps survive.

Right.

Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 6:38 am

Stay away from ships, cruise-ships, battle ships, aircraft carriers, whatever!

https://www.nu.nl/279884/video/opnieuw-cruiseschip-getroffen-door-coronavirus.html

The cruise ship “Zaandam” from the Holland-America-Lijn has reached fever pitch, 53 passengers and no less than 85 crew members are feeling unwell and have fever. That’s what you get from all that intimate ballroom-dancing in corona times.

Everybody is stuck on that ship for 14 days now near Panama. A sister ship, the “Rotterdam”, is nearby to perhaps takeover the viable part of the “Zaandam” banana boat.

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 6:42 am

This is for lip stick cloggo the deranged Anglo hater:

“COVID-19 – The European Union Unravels”
https://tinyurl.com/swwyonz gatestone institute
Authored by Soeren Kern
https://tinyurl.com/2upzh68 Kern biography

“As the coronavirus pandemic rages through Europe — where more than 250,000 people have now been diagnosed with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) and 15,000 have died — the foundational pillars of the European Union are crumbling one by one. Faced with an existential threat, EU member states, far from joining together to confront the pandemic as a unified bloc, instinctively are returning to pursuing the national interest. After years of criticizing U.S. President Donald J. Trump for pushing an “America First” policy, European leaders are reverting to the very nationalism they have publicly claimed to despise. Ever since the threat posed by coronavirus came into focus, Europeans have displayed precious little of the high-minded multilateral solidarity that for decades has been sold to the rest of the world as a bedrock of European unity. The EU’s unique brand of soft power, said to be a model for a post-national world order, has been shown to be an empty fiction. In recent weeks, EU member states have closed their borders, banned exports of critical supplies and withheld humanitarian aid. The European Central Bank, the guarantor of the European single currency, has treated with unparalleled disdain the eurozone’s third-largest economy, Italy, in its singular hour of need. The member states worst affected by the pandemic — Italy and Spain — have been left by the other member states to fend for themselves…The European Union, seven decades in the making, is now unravelling in real time — in weeks. After the dust of the coronavirus pandemic settles, the EU’s institutions will almost certainly continue to operate as before. Too much political and economic capital has been invested in the European project for European elites to do otherwise. However, the EU’s attraction as a post-national model for its own citizens, much less for the rest of the world, will have passed.”

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 6:51 am

Oops, sorry cloggo. Rong link again:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/covid-19-european-union-unravels

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 6:56 am

“Forced Liquidation”
https://tinyurl.com/rdfp9ne Kunstler

“If our reality is a world of human activity, then finance is now completely divorced from it for the obvious reason that, for now, there is no human activity. Everyone, except the doctors and nurses, and some government officials, is locked down. So, the only other thing actually still out there spinning its wheels is finance and, to those of us watching from solitary confinement, it is looking more and more like an IMAX-scale hallucination with Dolby sound. How many mortals can even pretend to understand the transactions now taking place among treasury and banking officials? On their own terms – TALFs, Special Purpose Vehicles, Commercial Paper Funding Facilities, Repo Rescue Operations, “Helicopter Money” – stand as increasingly empty jargon phrases that signify increasingly futile efforts to paper over the essence of the situation: the world is bankrupt. It’s that simple. The world is locked down and in hock up to its eyeballs. It faces what the bankers euphemistically call, ahem, a “work-out,” which is to say, a restructuring. The folks in charge are resisting that work-out with all their might, because it will change many of the conditions of everyday life (especially theirs), but it is coming anyway. When debt can’t be paid back, money vanishes. Money isn’t capital, but it represents capital when it is functioning. When it isn’t functioning, it stops being money. Now the whole world realizes that the debt can’t be paid back, will never be paid back… and that’s the jig that’s up. The Federal Reserve’s balance sheet is the black hole in the financial universe where money goes to die. Money is rushing in there at a fantastic rate these days, and the Fed is trying to spew out new money at an equal rate to replace it – raising the question: is it even money anymore, or just a figment in the larger hallucination? Kind of seems that way, a little bit. They brought out their biggest money-launching bazookas only a few days ago, and it may only be few days more before that gigantic salvo proves inadequate. What then?…You understand that banking and finance was headed firmly south long before corona virus stole onto the scene. The tremors started back in September with the Fed jamming untold trillions into the black hole that had opened in overnight lending between banks. That was an infection, too, and boy did it spread — as fast as corona virus! This is indeed a most unfortunate convergence of events, but it should tell you that the banking and finance system, and the global economic arrangements that evolved with it, had already passed their event horizon. History had punched our ticket and was embarking us on a journey whether we were ready or not.”

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 6:58 am

Were number one! Were number one!
Just like we calculated.

“US Becomes First Country To Record 100,000 Cases Of COVID-19”
https://tinyurl.com/tcughuo zero hedge

GO TRUMP!!!

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 7:00 am

“Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 6:51 am
Oops, sorry cloggo. Rong link again:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/covid-19-european-union-unravels”

Stupid is up ready troll the day away becuase you know he is schitzo. Stupid, your mental health is very much in declien for everyone to see. How is the weather now in Miami Beach? Are the clouds gently passing by you? LMFAO. When I have time today I will moderate and neuter your nonsense. I have noticed how you don’t say much on the moderated side mainly because you are a low IQ commenter. Nobody cares about you and everybody knows you are mentally ill.

JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 7:01 am

Pink poodle troll here. Were number one! Were number one! Just like we calculated. “US Becomes First Country To Record 100,000 Cases Of COVID-19” https://tinyurl.com/tcughuo zero hedge GO TRUMP!!!

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 7:02 am

Stupid add up the EU figures for a population very close tot he US and you see they are well ovr 200K. Stupid is an low IQ deranged anti-American lunatic

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 7:07 am

“All The Craziest Things About America Are Being Highlighted By This Virus”
https://tinyurl.com/seln44w zero hedge

“Corona is a black light and America is a cum-stained hotel room.”

JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 7:08 am

Pink poodle is the craziest thing in America! LMFAO

“All The Craziest Things About America Are Being Highlighted By This Virus”

“Corona is a black light and America is a cum-stained hotel room.”

REAL Green on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 7:09 am

“Corona is a black light and America is a cum-stained hotel room.”

So true Davy. So true.

Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 7:18 am

“This is for lip stick cloggo the deranged Anglo hater”

Why should I admire a bunch of morons who are complicit with a tribe that seeks to wipe out my kind?

Your two worst enemies on this board are our mulato friend from Uruguay and our African friend from Toronto. Yet somehow the ethnic undercurrent escapes your already limited attention. You prefer to ramble on about “racism” and “nahtzis” rather than defend yourself.

What happens on this board on a micro-level is brewing on a macro-level above poor empire dave his head, death-trapped as he is in the Ozarks thanks to corona.

Hey, I’m on the side of mobster, Juan and anonymouse when it comes to you. They defend their ethnic interests where you are a despicable sell-out of white people, like most anglos.

The horror you inflicted on Germany is now descending onto you. Enjoy the show, you fully deserve what is coming to you.

Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 7:35 am

How to come through a day in corona times.
How to peel a boiled egg? With a tea spoon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlUQnOyyWm8

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 7:37 am

I am on the side of the truth which is unemotional with what is happening. You, juanPee, makato, and many others here are so emotionally invested that I have a blast wounding you fucks. Yes, you guys need to be wounded because you are living a lie.

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 9:13 am

“Unprecedented Decline” – The Collapse In World Trade Is A Once In A Generation Shock”
https://tinyurl.com/vpdksbu zero hedge

“COVID-19 is expected to produce a global recession depression as nearly all of the world’s major economies have ground to a halt between February and March, expected to continue through April. The crash in China’s economic activity, shown last month, suggests that Europe and the US will face similar outcomes. There is some concern that the longest economic expansion on record will end this quarter as the global economy has been battered by bat soup. As the fast-spreading virus terrorizes the US, China, Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Iran, the UK, Switzerland, South Korea, and other countries, more than 537,000 confirmed cases had been recorded across the world, with 24,100 deaths. Governments have had no other choice than to order a complete shutdown of their respected economies to flatten the curve and slowdown infections. As World Trade Organization (WTO) Chief Economist Robert Koopman told Bloomberg, mass quarantines and shuttering of businesses has resulted in a plunge in world trade — “could be seen as a war-like scenario without the physical asset destruction.” Data from the world’s busiest ports in China showed containers were piling up with no place to go after supply chain disruptions were seen due to shutdowns in the country. There’s also been a significant decline in maritime activity from China to North America, China to the Mediterranean, and China to Europe as the virus crisis worsens in the Western Hemisphere. In early March, we showed how supply chain disruptions from China started to wash ashore on US West Coast ports, especially collapsing containerized volumes at the Port of Long Beach. IHS Markit data compiled by Bloomberg shows US import and export volumes dramatically slowed in the weeks leading up to the shutdowns of US cities. Former White House economist Phil Levy told Bloomberg that the US economy is expected to fall ‘very sharply’ over the second quarter, calling it an “unprecedented decline…because of the speed at which it is happening.” “If we are already starting to match Great Recession statistics, that means we are on pace for the modern record,” said Levy, now the chief economist at freight logistics company Flexport. And to sum up, so far, the global economy has likely crashed, as per JPMorgan’s chief US economist, Michael Feroli, who recently slashed his Q2 US GDP forecast to a staggering -14% If Feroli’s forecast revision for the US is right, then the US is headed for an outright depression next quarter, if not already in one. With the world’s largest economy: the US, and the second-largest economy: China, still entangled in virus-related shutdowns, then it makes sense why A.P. Moller-Maersk A/S, the world’s largest container line, told customers on Thursday that demand for containerized shipping will be lower well into April. The US has now become the epicenter of the virus outbreak, surpassing the total number of confirmed Chinese cases on Thursday. However, there is reason to believe that India could see a surge in cases and deaths in weeks ahead, as nearly one billion people have been forced into lockdown. As for Europe — Italy, Spain, Germany, France, the UK, and Switzerland, have seen a surge in cases and deaths in the last month. The pandemic is disrupting not just supply but also demand, creating twin shocks, damaging all developed world, and many emerging markets. The collapse in world trade is happening all at once, and very quickly – this is a once in a generation shock. We’ll leave you with this question: Can central banks, unleashing MMT and helicopter money, save the world from a depression?”

Empire Dave and Makatis love child on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:05 am

I am ready for rhe seneca cliff!, my bunker is fully stocked , I even have three dwarf sex slaves in there!

Jim Morrison on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:19 am

This is the end, beautiful friend!, this the end my only friend the end.

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:19 am

“Social-Distancing Getting You Down? Sex-Robot Firm Launches “Antibacterial” Dolls”
https://tinyurl.com/yxy7gmgv zero hedge

“As Americans are in mass quarantine and ordered to avoid social gatherings and other people, the good old days of logging into Tinder, Bumble, and or Grindr could be over for now – due mostly because, having sex with strangers could result in a contraction of the virus. This is why the rise of the sex doll industry could be imminent as millions have been forced by the government to practice social distancing to flatten the curve.”

JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:50 am

The pink poodle likes boys and being dominated while my wife watches me be disgraced.

Social-Distancing Getting You Down? Sex-Robot Firm Launches “Antibacterial” Dolls

Anonymouse on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:51 am

“This is the end, beautiful friend!, this the end my only friend the end.”

juanPee, just jump the pool will save you. 5 stories is not much

Pink Poodle on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 11:26 am

Check out are blog!

JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 12:25 pm

Well, the virus has reached my personal life. A nurse assistant friend of ours tested positive. She works at Jackson Memorial Hospital, the largest hospital in Miami.

She spent the whole day at the farm on Tuesday volunteering with the harvest, started feeling sick on Wednesday, was hospitalized and tested on Thursday, and the test result just came back positive. We knew she was at high risk of I being infected because she has been caring for COVID-19 patients. My wife and I spent several hours working with her on Tuesday. We very carefully practiced spatial distancing, but we could both be infected anyway, of course. I would welcome our being infected now to get it over with and because the healthcare system in Miami is not overwhelmed yet. My wife and I will be monitoring our temperatures hourly for the next two weeks. We are moving to the farm or the sailboat and will quarantine ourselves there. I guess I will be here a lot more the next two weeks.

Don’t get your hopes up, Exceptionalist, I am extremely likely to survive and continue bugging you with the truth, as I see it, for many years to come. LOL!

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 1:49 pm

stupid, just show respect to others here. This means stop the muzzie crap and all the other loud mouth stupid shit you do. As far as I am concern you ignore me and I ignore you. My point to you is that you fucked with the wrong person and if you continue to fuck with me you will be dealt with daily. Now go quarantine your stupid self. The quarantine that is needed is in a mental health facility. You are a danger to everyone around you. In fact I suspect you are playing your typical multiple personality games and really not exposed. You live a lie stupid and if something happens to you you deserve the pain you get.

JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 2:22 pm

I know you would love for me to ignore you, Exceptionalist, but I’ve told you many times I will only do that if you stop abusing others first. You started this and only you can end it. Now go get fucked by a goat or something! ROFLMFAO!

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 2:41 pm

Stupid, what you don’t understand is you are a selfish prick to others here with your Davy derangement. I could give a shit. I have come to enjoy slapping you in the face. You are such an uneducated prick who thinks the world of yourself. You are like way to proud of nothing. I absolutely love fucking with people like you. I don’t do it unless fucked with and the reason is showing respect for others being able to get a comment in edge wise with all your stupidity.

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 2:45 pm

Yea, and I hope you get very ill. You deserve as much pain as life can give you. Selfish pricks get what they deserve. Please keep us informed with how Sick you become, mr the virus ain’t shit asshole.

triggered and deeply lovin supremacist muzzies hello this is debbie this is my first attemp at eharmony i love cats i love every kinds of cats so anyway im a cats lover and i love to run sry im being emotional im thinking about cats again on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 2:50 pm

Bangkok Sun 2:50 am Fog. Warm. 85 °F
supertards pls change ur underwear after 5 days
plese love supremacist muzzies more
ples respect supertard

JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 2:58 pm

Delusional Davy “You deserve as much pain as life can give you. Selfish pricks get what they deserve.”

You are projecting again, Exceptionalist! LOL!

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 3:01 pm

You heard me prick. Please keep us updated on your deteriorating condition or maybe you will go silent. Then we can celebrate!

JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 3:01 pm

Delusional Davy “You are such an uneducated prick who thinks the world of yourself. You are like way to proud of nothing.”

You are projecting again, Davy! ROFLMFAO! Your projections give away your mental condition with total clarity, son of a $5 whore and her daddy! LOL!

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 3:17 pm

Oh, prick face, if you die be sure to tell your wife I will come down and service her as a sympathy fuck. She probably doesn’t know what a real man is like.

JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 3:41 pm

We all know that the only thing you can fuck is your goats, limp dick! LOL! If you were any good at anything why would the mothers of all your children leave you? Go fuck your imaginary Italian third wife, son of a whore! ROFLMFAO!

Atlanta Sat 4:42 pm clouds. Warm. 77 °F
supertard pls love supremacist muzzies more
peles change ur underwear after 5 ays
pleas be nice to supertard
please be nice to supertard JuanP he’s supertard he can stay in america
supertard juanP please return my 500lb bean bag i gave u for teh trip across back but you are supertard u can stay

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 3:49 pm

Fuck face. You are the one sick not me. Maybe instead of getting emotional save you strength so your pain can last longer. Show us how much of a fighter a crazy lunatic like you can be before he dies. Updates please fuck face. Fever yet! Runny nose mr the virus ain’t shit? How about difficulties breathing?

Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 3:53 pm

The US sabotages Nord Stream, China provides aid to Europe:

https://www.rt.com/news/484344-china-wuhan-first-train/

“First train with medical supplies for Europe leaves Wuhan as China eases Covid-19 lockdown“

The End of the Atlantic Era, the birth of the Eurasian Era.

New Silk Road.

JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 4:05 pm

Fit as a fiddle and not worried at all. At 50 and in my condition this should be like a flu, at the most, for me. It would suck, though, I haven’t been sick in over 40 years. LOL! No symptoms yet!

Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 4:15 pm

The Independent doesn’t want the US to lose superpower status but…

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/us-trump-world-decline-coronavirus-brazil-bolsonaro-a9430566.html

“The US is losing its world superpower status due to its failure to lead on the Covid-19 crisis – and this time, it might not recover“

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 4:31 pm

“Fit as a fiddle and not worried at all. At 50 and in my condition this should be like a flu, at the most, for me. It would suck, though, I haven’t been sick in over 40 years. LOL! No symptoms yet!”

First, fuck face, you don’t really think we believe your imaginary story do you? You are a lunatic starved for attention. Second you are almost 54, liar. You are not fit either because you stalk this forum 20/7 so I imagine you are holed up somewhere homeless and doing drugs.

JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 4:43 pm

Delusional Davy “First, fuck face, you don’t really think we believe your imaginary story do you? You are a lunatic starved for attention.”

You are projecting again, Exceptionalist!

JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 4:45 pm

Delusional Davy “Second you are almost 54”

More lies and delusions from a fool who pretends to know things he couldn’t possibly know. You think you know my age better than I do, fool? ROFLMFAO!

JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 4:48 pm

Delusional Davy “You are not fit either because you stalk this forum 20/7 so I imagine you are holed up somewhere homeless and doing drugs.”

You are projecting again, lunatic! Do you realize that not a single person has offered you any encouragement or support here for months? Nobody here believes your lies anymore and we all know you are clinically insane! LOL!

Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 4:54 pm

You always know when fuck face has been cornered because the comments go flying out his ass. You are a complete failure fuck face. I wish your imaginary story were true but we are all aware of how stupid and starved for attention you are. I doubt you even have a wife. I mean who could live with a lunatic like you talking muzzie crap in lunatic tongues

Duncan Idaho on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 4:54 pm

Capitalism: Closed for business

We will see for how long.

The Fat Boy and the Thugs are still looting.

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