Page added on October 2, 2020
When I noticed at the beginning of the month that September had five Wednesdays, and I didn’t have anything in mind to post here for the fifth of them, I asked my readers for their suggestions, following an old custom here that I’ve recently revived. As usual, the resulting discussion was lively and quite a few topics were tossed out for discussion; those that got a significant number of votes will get posts of their own in due time. By a substantial factor, though, the majority wanted me to follow up on a comment I’d made some time ago.

In that earlier discussion, I’d commenrted on Max Weber’s claim that “the disenchantment of the world” was a distinctive feature of modernity That claim had come in for a challenge in the months beforehand, courtesy of a recent book, The Myth of Disenchantment: Magic, Modernity, and the Birth of the Human Sciences by Jason Josephson-Storm. Josephson-Storm’s basic argument is that Weber was quite simply wrong—that he and all the people who have repeated his claim ever since have blithely ignored the fact that magic, divination, and other occult practices are still thriving in the modern industrial world, and that the very people who coined the modern insistence that we all live in a post-magical world had their own significant contacts with the very world of occult practices that they claimed had vanished forever.
Reflecting on this, I wondered aloud about what malign enchantment had been laid on modern people to convince so many of them that magic had somehow faded into the past, when magical practices were in regular use all around them, right in the middle of today’s high-tech cities and internet-connected lifestyles. That was the thing my readers wanted to hear about: where that malign enchantment came from, who or what cast it, how it has affected all our lives, and—of course—what are the prospects for breaking the spell.
It’s an intricate set of questions, and not one to which I can offer simple answers, but we can start working our way through the labyrinth with the aid of some history.

In 1904, pioneering sociologist Max Weber published an influential book entitled The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. In it he traced the origins of modern capitalistm to the Protestant Reformation, and specifically to the Calvinist end of the Reformation. That was the faction inspired by Swiss theologian John Calvin, who rejected nearly all of the traditions of historic Christianity in favor of a stark religious vision that placed the individual at the mercy of a God who had predestined a few souls for salvation and consigned the vast majority to eternal damnation for his greater glory, irrespective of their actions on Earth.
To the hardcore Calvinist, prosperity was one of the signs of divine favor, and so Calvinists reliably beavered away at their professions so that they might be considered members of the elect. Weber pointed out that this and other aspects of Calvinist belief formed the template on which the later capitalist work ethic was constructed. It ended up turning into the Victorian capitalist mindset later rehashed by Ayn Rand, in which the rich by definition deserved their wealth and the poor their poverty, since each was being rewarded according to his deserts by the almighty market, the capitalist substitute for God.
The disenchantment of the world, to Weber, was another way in which Calvinism prefigured capitalism. The Renaissance Catholic worldview against which Calvin rebelled was one in which the material and spiritual worlds constantly interpenetrated. In that worldview, saints and angels helped span the distance between God and man, sacraments and holy objects brought spiritual forces to bear on earthly problems, and the planets themselves were mighty intelligent beings singing the praises of the Trinity as they circled through the heavens. (You can learn all about this worldview from C.S. Lewis’ fine book The Discarded Image, or in a richer sense from his novels Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra, and That Hideous Strength, which translated the same worldview intact into the language of early twentieth century science fiction.)

All this was anathema to Calvin, for whom there was only God enthroned in his terrible isolation and weak and sinful man cringing in devout terror before him. From there to the worldview of modern rationalist materialism takes only a single modest step: replace Calvin’s God with some equally indifferent abstraction, such as evolution or the free market, and there you are. In Weber’s formulation, the dismissal of saints and sacraments by Calvin prefigured and led directly to the wider dismissal of everything spiritual by Calvin’s materialist heirs. It’s a potent narrative, and it explains certain things about the modern world very clearly.
That said, treating the modern world as “disenchanted” runs afoul of plenty of inconvenient facts. It’s all very well to insist that modern people live in a disenchanted world, that we don’t believe in spirits and magic (or for that matter saints and sacraments), and that very insistence has played a major role in the rhetoric of modernity for well over a century now. The one little difficulty with this, as Jason Josephson-Storm pointed out, is that it doesn’t happen to be true.
Survey after survey has shown that very large numbers of well-educated people in industrial countries believe in the existence of ghosts, the reality of ESP, the validity of astrology, and so on. In today’s America, it bears remembering, the number of people who are employed full time as astrologers exceeds the number employed full time as astronomers by a considerable margin. Go on the internet, that cutting-edge venue for the latest cultural notions, and you can find large and lively communities earnestly discussing the practice of ceremonial magic. For that matter, old-fashioned sacramental churches of the Catholic and Orthodox denominations are still to be found here in great numbers, along with more recently imported religions with comparable faith in exactly those connections between spirit and matter that Calvin and modern materialists alike tried to cut forever.
Josephson-Storm built on this mismatch by showing that the modern thinkers who constructed the narrative of disenchantment—Max Weber himself, and even more significantly, the Marxist intellectuals of the Frankfurt School after him, the very people whose ideas are the foundation of modern Critical Race Theory and several other currently popular academic ideologies—were themselves influenced by contemporary German occultistm. Early twentieth century Germany, where the Frankfurt School was born, was a bubbling cauldron of occultism; the Thule-Gesellschaft or Thule Society, the occult lodge that created the Nazi Party as its political action wing, is perhaps the most well-known nowadays of the occult organizations of the time.

Another, considerably more influential until 1933, was a group called the Kosmikerkreise or Cosmic Circle, a collection of poets, occultists, and Neopagans based in Munich. (For those who don’t know their way around Germany’s cultural geography, Munich is the German equivalent of San Francisco, except that its streets are a lot cleaner.) Max Weber ran with several members of the Cosmic Circle, and so did leading members of the Frankfurt School. The very people who promoted the idea that the disenchantment of the world and the collapse of belief in magic and spirits were central to modernity, that is to say, were in close contact with occultists whose magical workings and hobnobbing with spirits were anything but secret.
In other words, the disenchantment of the world that Weber and the Frankfurt School discussed at such length was not what it appeared to be. They presented it as a description of modernity, but it was in fact prescriptive in nature, not descriptive—in less gnomic language, what they wanted the modern industrial world to be, not what that world actually is.
The role of disenchantment as prescription rather than description was made impressively clear, in a fine bit of historical irony, by the reaction to Josephson-Storm’s book. Too many reviewers skated right past the central point made by the book—that it’s absurd to talk about the world being disenchanted when it’s still well stocked with practicing occultists—and found ways to quibble with almost every other dimension of his study, rather than taking it seriously. As a public practitioner of ceremonial magic, astrology, and other modes of enchantment, I’ve faced the same reaction; it’s astonishing how many people can look a practicing occultist in the face and claim that nobody really believes in magic or spirits any more.
That oddity of behavior has plenty of bedfellows, of course. Consider the way that media pundits so often say that this or that country, upon being pressured into adopting some gobbet of overpriced technology or neoliberal policy, “has entered the twenty-first century.” For that matter, consider the much-mocked response by Justin Trudeau when he was asked why he’d fixated so obesssively on gender and ethnic balance in assembling his first cabinet: “Because it’s 2015.” In both cases a mere date has become a stalking horse for a political or economic agenda. Like all such agendas, this one benefits certain people at the expense of others, and like most such agendas, it conceals the straighforward calculus of who benefits and who pays the bills under a smoke screen of mystification: it’s not this set of corporate interests or that set of politicians who are robbing Peter to pay Paul, oh, no, it’s old Father Time himself!
I’ve discussed here and in one of my books how belief in progress has become a religion in our time, with progress as the supposedly almighty abstraction that fills the role of divinity in the imaginations of the faithful. The prescriptive insistence on the disenchantment of the world is an important aspect of the dogma of progress-worship in our time, which is why it remains bolted in place in the mainstream of contemporary thought even though five minutes of clear thinking will prove Josephson-Storm’s point. There’s good reason why so few five-minute periods get devoted to such reflections, though, because once you see past the mask of disenchantment, it’s impossible to miss one of the most important dimensions of the entire religion of progress.

Frank Herbert, in his famous science fiction novel Dune, caught that dimension with his usual acuity. “Once,” a Bene Gesserit witch explains to the protagonist Paul Atreides, “men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” That principle isn’t limited to computers. Look around you at the technologies that shape your life. Notice how few of them actually allow you to do something you couldn’t do with much simpler tools, and how many of them are set up to push you ever deeper into dependence on technology.
That’s the hidden agenda of the myth of progress: every step “forward” in the direction that’s been labeled “progressive” subjects you more completely to technologies over which you have increasingly little control….and thus, inevitably, to those who own and manage and market those technologies to you. It didn’t require any kind of conscious conspiracy to product that outcome, by the way, simply a lot of individual choices on the part of the people in charge of technological systems to encourage dependence in order to boost quarterly profits. Any time you have a power differential in society, that differential will tend to increase unless deliberate steps are taken to stop that from happening; the transformation of modern technologies from free choices to instruments of social control is among other things a fine demonstration of that rule.
It’s probably necessary to stop here and counter two of the rhetorical gimmicks usually deployed to squelch reflections such as these. First of all, we are not talking about “technology” in the abstract, but the specific suite of technologies that are marketed as the essential elements of a modern lifestyle today. There are plenty of technologies that don’t push you into a state of dependence, but you’ll find precious few of them for sale at Mall*Wart and its upscale rivals. Second, despite endless handwaving on this point, technologies are not value-free. Any given technology can do certain things well, other things poorly, and still other things not at all, and the decision to make and market a technology with these built-in biases is a value judgment that is inherently expressed in the technology itself.
All this, in turn, is why magic has been taboo in our culture since the dawning of the industrial revolution—even more so than all the other ways of doing things for yourself that have been similarly proscribed. Unlike modern corporate technology, magic is irreducibly personal. If you want to work magic on a group of people who aren’t willing participants in the working, you’re going to be limited to the frankly feeble symbolic gimmickries brandished around by the advertising industry these days. It takes very little magical study and practice to be able to laugh in the face of such flimsy sorceries, and plenty of people can do that even without a scrap of magical knowledge: thus the frequency with which heavily funded ad campaigns flop dismally.

Learn something about the art and science of causing changes in consciousness in accordance with will—occultist Dion Fortune’s classic definition of magic—and you can go much further. Gather even a modestly sized group of people who are interested in learning magic, and get them working together, and the sky’s the limit. That’s why magic is taboo in today’s industrial world: it provides individuals and small groups with the opportunity to work toward goals that the owners and managers and marketers of technology don’t choose for them, using means that the owners and managers and marketers of technology don’t control. To the believers and, more importantly, to the beneficiaries of the religion of progress, those are existential threats.
Cui bono?—who benefits? That fine old Latin question is always a useful tool when you want to make sense of an apparently irrational feature of modern life. Yet there’s more going on here than ordinary exploitation. Intriging scraps of evidence suggest that something really has happened in recent centuries to make magic weaker than it once was: not wholly ineffective by any means, but incapable of feats that were once apparently commonplace.

One useful collection of testimony here is a book by Native American scholar and activist Vine Deloria Jr, The World We Used To Live In, which was published a year after his death in 2005. Deloria was an iconoclastic thinker more than willing to take on the conventional wisdom of his time, and his last book shows it. What he did was assemble as many testimonies as possible to the powers of Native American medicine people before and during the European conquest of the Americas. It’s fascinating reading from any number of angles, but two things stood out for me when I studied it. The first was that Deloria noted that medicine people more recently don’t appear to be able to do the things their ancestors did. The second was that I and the other ceremonial magicians I’ve worked with can’t equal the feats Deloria records either.
The specific limitation on medicine people and ceremonial magicians alike is easy enough to describe: the material world does not respond directly to magical action. As a ceremonial magician, I’ve learned that if I want to make things happen in the material world I need to focus my workings on conscious beings who can make those things happen. Do I want a fallen boulder moved out of the road? I can try to get it to levitate with zero effect, but workings intended to get the highway department to do its job and move the rock can be quite effective.
If Deloria’s right—and he’s far from the only one to make this same point—this limitation did not exist some centuries ago, and appears to have come into force a little at a time over an extended period. As late as the 17th century, for example, competent metallurgists swore in courts of law that they had witnessed alchemists turn other metals into gold, assayed the gold by way of cuppelation and other effective tests, and found it good. By contrast, if Archibald Cockren and the mysterious Fulcanelli succeeded in the Great Work in the early 20th century, as some students of alchemy believe, they were among the very, very few.
I would like to suggest that these changes may not simply be the waning of empty superstitions in an age of enlightenment, as Max Weber believed, or of a modern myth of disenchantment rooted in claims to enlightenment, as Jason Josephson-Storm seems to believe. It seems worth considering the possibility that they reflect real, objective changes in the conditions of human existence unfolding over historic time: that the world was actually different in the past, in ways that permitted certain things that modern science insists can never have been possible.

A fascinating if problematic book, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes, pointed out that a great many testimonies support the idea that human beings in earlier times actually did hear the voices of disembodied beings, and traced—in the Old Testament and elsewhere—the process by which that experience faded out. The same process can be traced just as precisely in ancient Greek literature, as it moves from the robust experience of divine presence in early poets such as Hesiod to the urbane sophistication of Plutarch, most of a millennium later, writing an essay On the Silence of the Oracles to explain why the gods no longer gave intelligible messages to human beings.
Jaynes tried to explain this with a postulated one-way shift in the way human brains worked, basing his theory on ideas about the function of the cerebral hemispheres that have since been largely discredited. What he did not discuss was that half a millennium after Plutarch, the voices of the gods were back, along with the whole world of miracles and magic that had trickled away as the ancient world rose to its zenith. As high cultures collapsed across Eurasia, from Han-dynasty China in the far east to Rome in the far west, religious visionaries once more spoke with gods and angels, mages wielded potent spells, and the Unseen again became a constant presence in the lives of most people. Centuries passed, and once again the presence of the spiritual realm began to fade: Chaucer’s narrative of the Wife of Bath is one of many late medieval tales that take it for granted that wonders possible in earlier times had faded out.
Behind the mask of disenchantment, in other words, is a complex phenomenon with at least three levels. The first level is the erasure of occultism in the moderrn Western world—an erasure that I’ve been confronting in my posts on the magical history of the United States. The second is the cluster of political and economic motives behind that erasure—the attempt to convince as many people as possible to accept a condition of dependence on technologies owned, managed, and marketed by existing centers of power and wealth. The third is an apparent increase and decline in the efficacy of magical practices that seems to correlate to certain historical cycles.
And behind that? I haven’t gotten that far yet. The quest is still in its early stages, and if the Grail can be found and the Waste Land of our contemporary consciousness healed, it’s going to take a lot of hard riding through strange territories. I’ll keep you posted on what I find.
Ecosophiaby John Michael Greer
179 Comments on "The Mask of Disenchantment"
The REAL Board on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 3:16 pm
You are a fucking troll Davy. Please leave!
Bochen787 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 4:08 pm
Who is REAAL Board, JuanP? You really are a runaway dipshit these days!
JuanP on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 4:08 pm
I hate everyone everyone everyone! Fuck you all
Bochen777 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 4:11 pm
787, you have a scik obsession with the CCP and blood lust. You need therepy. It is a good thing you are nothing but a troll and harmless.
Bochen777 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 4:12 pm
Who every is bochen with a small letter b is a fake. The real Bochen is capital B. You will know the fraud when you see it!
Anonymouse on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 4:42 pm
Yes we do know who the REAL frauds are. We have have always known.
Davy the lunatic
cloggfraud
Bochen777 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 5:10 pm
Who the fuck is this anonymouse dumbass? Probably another cock sucker like JuanP who has obsessions with stalking
chinks are the new master race only a master race can harvest a master religion on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 5:11 pm
‘lo allah created muzz best of humanity, kafirs are worse than animals
im a sinophile.
muzz are targeting chinks now
Anonymouse on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 5:11 pm
Wow, look who has his panties in a wad. I was not talking about you chink lover.
Bochen787 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 5:13 pm
‘lo juanPPee created mutes best of humanity, kuntfirs are worse than animals
im a assholephile.
kunts are targeting chinks now
Duncan Idaho on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 5:14 pm
“Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?” (Chera was Trump’s NYC friend who died of Covid in April)
I haven’t a clue.
But being obese and having high blood pressure at 74, plus, let’s be honest, not the brightest porch light on the block, he is rolling the dice.
Imagine the medical staff treating this fat clown?
Bochen787 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 5:17 pm
Juan, why havn’t we been commenting on the moderated side lately? Did we get shit canned becuase of our spamming?
JuanP on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 6:02 pm
HELP!
zero juan on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 6:04 pm
JuanP is a prick!
JuanP said HELP!
Bochen787 said Juan, why havn’t we been commenting on the m…
Bochen787 said ‘lo juanPPee created mutes best of humanity, kuntf…
Anonymouse said Wow, look who has his panties in a wad. I was not…
chinks are the new master race only a master race can harvest a master religion said ‘lo allah created muzz best of humanity, kaf…
Bochen777 said Who the fuck is this anonymouse dumbass? Probably…
Anonymouse said Yes we do know who the REAL frauds are. We have ha…
Bochen777 said Who every is bochen with a small letter b is a fak…
Bochen777 said 787, you have a scik obsession with the CCP and bl…
JuanP said I hate everyone everyone everyone! Fuck you all
Bochen787 said Who is REAAL Board, JuanP? You really are a runaw…
The REAL Board said You are a fucking troll Davy. Please leave!
bochen787 said Comrade Duncan, Trump Navalny’d himself to b…
Bochen777 said 787, you are mistaking yourself again. There was…
bochen787 said Word is Trump spread covid to hundreds of donors a…
the board said I was doing some some research on this forum histo…
Anonymouse on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 6:32 pm
The excpetionalturd is heavy on the tolling and stalking on in the comment today, even by his low, stupid standards.
Usually, that is a sign the goats were less accommodating to zero davys advances than he expects last night. Got to work out that anger somehow right dumbass? The non-stop stalking and socking of the intelligent people is just his way of dealing with his ‘
ahem, ‘frustration’s’. Unfortunate for the intelligent people of the internet that he choses to do it here 20 hours a day, 7 days, 365.
While ignoring his stupid dumbass shit mostly works, a permanent ban for him and ‘cloggoo’ would work be much better. Message the site admin so we can be rid of the both of them once and for all.
JuanP on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 6:41 pm
Thanks Anon, I don’t know what I would do without your assistance stalking and trolling Davy. You have been my biggest supporter and friend!
makati1 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 6:44 pm
Ditto Juan, we are the squad. The three of us can take on Davy. Don’t scare friends.
Duncan Idaho on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 6:50 pm
Was it Hope being a Flirtatious Hick?
makati1 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 6:55 pm
Would someone with C19 please go over to Davy’s shack and sneeze in his face? You would be doing the world a yuge favor! And his goat sex partner would also be grateful. LOL
A sunny, warm, Sunday morning here in the land of eternal summer.
JuanP on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 6:57 pm
Mak, I agree, he is a skumbag. The squad lives to fight another day on this ruined forum. You scared him off with that very tough comment. You are my hero.
JuanP on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:00 pm
Mak, have you seen this article? The P’s are not in great shape. Are you worried at all?
Duterte tightens grip as the Philippines falls apart
MANILA – Facing an acute economic crisis, a persistent Covid-19 outbreak and declining popularity, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has fittingly extended a state of national calamity for another year. While the move will allow the government to adopt emergency measures to stabilize food and basic good prices, as well as deploy Quick Response Funds for especially pressing pandemic needs, it also allows the authoritarian leader to tighten his grip on the country ahead of 2022 presidential elections…Meanwhile, the Filipino leader has to grapple with the country’s worst economic crisis in a generation, much of it his own making. In its latest report, the Asian Development Bank forecast a 7.3% contraction for the Philippines, among the worst in Asia. Only Thailand, which posted a laggard 2.4 percent growth last year, is expected to fare worse with an 8% contraction this year…The ADB’s Philippine projection is almost twice as worse its June forecast of a 3.8% contraction, a reflection of the economy’s 16.5% shrinkage in the second quarter. It also marks a sharp reversal from the country’s close to 6% growth posted in 2019, with the nation bracing for the worst contraction in its post-World War II history. That will be compounded by declining foreign remittances, usually a key engine for domestic consumption and local growth. The government has said some 600,000 overseas workers had been repatriated as of mid-August, adding to the rising pool of the unemployed.
https://asiatimes.com/2020/09/duterte-tightens-grip-as-the-philippines-falls-apart/
Duncan Idaho on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:04 pm
Rep. Steve Scalise: Trump actions on coronavirus saved hundreds of thousands of lives, new report shows
When House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., announced a new select subcommittee to investigate and oversee the federal response to the coronavirus pandemic, Republicans knew we were in for a fight. Democrats were going to use this subcommittee to relentlessly hamper, harass and pass blame on the Trump administration in the middle of the worst pandemic in a century. Over the past months, I’ve led Republicans on the Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis as we’ve tried to cut through the noise and partisanship. After over a dozen hearings, Democrats have still failed to uncover any major fault in the Trump administration’s pandemic response However, despite Democrats’ best efforts to obstruct our investigations, select subcommittee Republicans established several key takeaways about the Trump administration’s pandemic response, as well as some shocking revelations about Democratic governors’ deadly “must admit” orders in nursing homes. SCALISE TOUTS TRUMP CORONAVIRUS RESPONSE, SLAMS DEMOCRATS FOR ‘WORKING TO UNDERMINE PUBLIC FAITH’ Here are the key findings our report, which we issued Friday. China lied about the dangers of COVID-19 China falsely downplayed the seriousness of the disease while simultaneously hoarding personal protective equipment and allowing Chinese nationals — including thousands from Wuhan, where the coronavirus originated — to travel abroad. People traveling from China seeded the virus throughout every corner of the globe, while China denied other nations the resources they needed to fight the virus. Democrats have resisted any attempt to investigate China’s duplicity and lies, because this would distract from their core mission of blaming President Trump for the coronavirus pandemic. Trump responded immediately to the coronavirus threat In the face of resistance and accusations of xenophobia from Democrats and many in the media, President Trump closed our borders to China, and then to Europe and other high-risk areas. President Trump launched the “15 Days to Slow the Spread” initiative in mid-March, then extended this initiative for another 30 days — protecting at-risk populations across the nation. Trump made effective decisions that saved lives The president’s tough and effective decisions — based on the advice of our nation’s top medical professionals — saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/coronavirus-report-trump-steve-scalise
makati1 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:16 pm
JuanP, this is an old article I read days ago and it is on Asiatimes, a semi-reliable source. I always check to see who pays the bills. Usually, it comes around to the US propaganda machine. Ditto Asiatimes.
As I live here and experience the Philippines everyday, and have for over 12 years, I would vote for Du30 in a heartbeat if I could. I see nothing he has done that I wouldn’t have done in his place. He has to deal with American educated (brainwashed) Senators, some of whom blame him for not issuing Marshal Law when this C19 bullshit started.
As in every country, there are those who want to take power and will try to unseat the current power. Just look at the insane things happening in the US today. Nuff said.
BTW: Amerika makes a big stink about his anti-drug laws, but they are working and saving lives. Not so the “War on Drugs” in Amerika that has been ongoing for decades and costing billion$ but failing miserably.
The Board on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:20 pm
‘JuanP’ @ 7:00 was DAVYSKUM, not JuanP. All the other comments were also made by Davyskumbag, obv.
the board on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:23 pm
The Board is a fraud. The real board uses a small t. The lunatic is at it again obviously.
makati1 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:25 pm
Stop this madness Juan, I can’t stand seeing my favorite place to socialize go down the toilet. This is all your fault.
makati1 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:26 pm
BTW: “Philippines’ COVID-19 tally hits 304,226 with 5,344 deaths” | ABS-CBN News
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/27/20/philippines-covid-19-tally-hits-304226-with-5344-deaths
United States6 195,312 deaths with over 7,000,000 cases.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Perspective: The Philippines has about 30% of the population of the US and would need a death count of about 60,000 to be equal. Not about 5,000. Who has the real problem? LOL
JuanP on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:27 pm
Mak, those numbers are fake. You yourself said the virus was a hoax.
makati1 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:28 pm
This is true Juan, the flue kills 50 times as many people.
REAL Green on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:28 pm
All JuanP post are Davy Makato. Widdle Davy lost its widdle mind. It scars me bein in the same body as him.
JuanP on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:29 pm
Ah, mak, you spelt flu rong again
Bochen777 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:31 pm
The chink flew is the real deal!
Davy on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:34 pm
Shut the fuck up green. Or I will tell mommy.
REAL Green on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:35 pm
Go ahead widdle. Mommy all ready hates yer guts.
cuntface
makati1 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:38 pm
7:26 PM, my last real post. as the assholes are now posting in my name, it is time to leave and go out and enjoy the day.
REAL Green on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:41 pm
The asshole is the missery hillbilly goatherd Davy makato.
Always has bin. Always will be.
chinks are the new master race only a master race will harvest a master religion on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:44 pm
i love chinks and china
i’m a sinophile
pay attention, al the dotheads in muzz country have to wear head panties. muzz master religion means everyone is forced to conform even when you’re not a muzz
chinks forever
supertard bochen777 is a perfect man because chinks are the new master race muzz has their perfect man too its muhammad the pedifiler of the master religion on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:48 pm
my only pet peeves is supertard bochen tells lies
he said: sex with white women
only a master race can harvest master religion
Davy on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 7:48 pm
God bless the chinks. Long live the chink empire!
Amurika is gonna rot in hell.
Davy on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 8:06 pm
The chinks made the wuhanvirus just to prove what country’s are the weakest.
Were number one! Go Trump!
REAL Green on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 8:18 pm
Ya no Davee. Trump is the same age as makato.
But Makato has better healthcare.
this is why i love china and chinks China's President Xi Jinping wishes Donald and Melania Trump a 'fast recovery' after the US President and First Lady's COVID diagnosis on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 8:27 pm
they’re nice people. but i don’t really care if they’re nice or mean. i only care they’re master race. only a master race can harvest a master religion
i’m a sinophile as you all know. i never apologize for loving chinks
my only complain is supertard bochen777 gave deceptive advice. he said sex with white women
chinese are very smart people. they understand this history of muzz of 1400 years
Duncan Idaho on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 8:42 pm
Hmm, RoJo the Clown doesn’t care if he kills his supporters either, apparently.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/10/3/1983269/-Sen-Ron-Johnson-attended-GOP-fundraiser-after-testing-positive-for-COVID
bochen787 on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 9:30 pm
https://forum.ascendchina.ch/t/amerikkka-just-did-navalny-2-0-trump-fakes-covid-infection-in-order-to-nuke-china-in-a-final-solution/134/3
this doesnt happen where master race chinese liveQatar and Turkey bankrolling Muslim Brotherhood networks across Europe, including Muslim Council of Britain on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 10:19 pm
only master race chinese in china can harvest master religion
it’s the only reason im a sinophile
3gd gona croak soon i hope this doesnt happen to master race china only master race can harvest master religion on Sat, 3rd Oct 2020 10:43 pm
poor chinese people if 3gd croaks
water is 175m and no sluice gate open due to damaged cavitation
sending love to china. love how they understand 1400 years of inner struggle so well.
zero juan on Sun, 4th Oct 2020 4:41 am
The mentally ill JuanP was at it again last night. Mods please ban the fuck!
3gd gona croak soon i hope this doesnt happen to master race china only master race can harvest master religion said poor chinese people if 3gd croaks water is 175m an…
this doesnt happen where master race chinese liveQatar and Turkey bankrolling Muslim Brotherhood networks across Europe, including Muslim Council of Britain said only master race chinese in china can harvest mast…
bochen787 said https://forum.ascendchina.ch/t/amerikkka-just-did-…
this is why i love china and chinks China’s President Xi Jinping wishes Donald and Melania Trump a ‘fast recovery’ after the US President and First Lady’s COVID diagnosis said they’re nice people. but i don’t rea…
REAL Green said Ya no Davee. Trump is the same age as makato. But…
Davy said The chinks made the wuhanvirus just to prove what…
Davy said God bless the chinks. Long live the chink empire!…
supertard bochen777 is a perfect man because chinks are the new master race muzz has their perfect man too its muhammad the pedifiler of the master religion said my only pet peeves is supertard bochen tells lies…
chinks are the new master race only a master race will harvest a master religion said i love chinks and china i’m a sinophile pay…
REAL Green said The asshole is the missery hillbilly goatherd Davy…
REAL Green said Go ahead widdle. Mommy all ready hates yer guts. c…
Davy said Shut the fuck up green. Or I will tell mommy.
Bochen777 said The chink flew is the real deal!
JuanP said Ah, mak, you spelt flu rong again
The Board on Sun, 4th Oct 2020 4:45 am
The mentally ill zero davy was at it again last night. Just like every other night since, forever. Mods please ban the fuck!
zero juan on Sun, 4th Oct 2020 5:31 am
Well the fuck JuanP is up and with not much sleep. JuanP, did you see on the moderated side where I buried your Bo Chen sock? LMFAO. The troll gets trolled. Enjoy sniffing your feces. You will cry uncle one day you dumb fuck!
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Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 4th Oct 2020 5:48 am
“White House chief of staff admits that Donald Trump’s condition on Friday morning was of serious concern as sources say he had a temperature of 103 and was suffering heart palpitations”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8802841/White-House-chief-staff-admits-Trumps-condition-Friday-morning-concern.html
For non-exceptionalists this is 39.44 Celsius. Trump is a strong man with iron will to live, he will survive. This Covid episode could even bring him some sympathy points.
And now for laughs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsije1KetVw
(“funny to watch, as long as you don’t live in America”)