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Orlov: Crazyland
A long time ago—almost a quarter of a century—I worked in a research lab, designing measurement and data acquisition electronics for high energy physics experiments. In the interest of providing motivation for what follows, I will say a few words about the job. It was interesting work, and it gave me a chance to rub shoulders (and drink beer) with some of the most intelligent people on the planet (though far too fixated on subatomic particles).
The work itself was interesting too: it required a great deal of creativity because the cutting edge in electronics was nowhere near sharp enough for our purposes, and we spent our time coming up with strange new ways of combining commercially available components that made them perform better than one had the right to expect. But most of my time went into the care and feeding of an arcane and temperamental Computer Aided Design system that had been donated to the university, and, for all I know, is probably still there, bedeviling generations of graduate students. With grad students just about our only visitors, the atmosphere of the lab was rather monastic, with the days spent twiddling knobs, pushing buttons and scribbling in lab notebooks.
And so I was quite pleased when one day an unexpected visitor showed up. I was busy doing something quite tedious: looking up integrated circuit pin-outs in semiconductor manufacturer’s databooks and manually keying them into the CAD system—a task that no longer exists, thanks to the internet. The visitor was a young man, earnest, well-spoken and nervous. He was carrying something wrapped in a black trash bag, which turned out to be a boombox. These portable stereos that incorporated an AM/FM radio and a cassette tape player were all the rage in those days. He proceeded to tell me that he strongly suspected that the CIA was eavesdropping on his conversations by means of a bug placed inside this unit, and he wanted me to see if it was broadcasting on any frequency and to take it apart and inspect it for any suspicious-looking hardware.
He also told me that he was regularly picking up transmissions from what could only be visiting flying saucers, which showed up in the static between AM stations, and he was wondering if it would be possible to modify his unit so that he could transmit messages back to them, because, you see, he wanted to hitch a ride.
I told him that this is all quite possible; putting a radio transmitter “bug” inside his boombox is something that could have been done, and while I wasn’t aware of anything in peer-reviewed scientific journals concerning visiting flying saucers, absence of evidence should never be accepted as evidence of absence. As far as converting a receiver into a transciever—we’d have to think about it. But in order to get any work authorized, he’d have to talk to my boss, who was sitting right over there, doing something equally tedious, and could probably use a distraction and some amusing company right about then.
The young man thanked me, walked over and sat down next to my boss. I went back to looking up and keying in pin-outs, but looked over at them periodically, and after a while I noticed that their conversation was really dragging on. My boss, somewhat exasperatedly, was trying to explain to him that building an AM transmitter into his boombox for the purpose of communicating with flying saucers is not something our lab could do for him because we worked on government research grants and he didn’t have one. Eventually the young man left, rather frustrated, and my boss came over to me, looking uncharacteristically furious, and said: “You owe me, buddy!”
All of this happened around the time when Ronald Reagan’s administration decided to improve the country’s finances by closing mental hospitals and sending the inmates out into the world to stumble about the streets and stand ranting and raving on street-corners. Our young man was perhaps one such administrative casualty. Back then, such “crazy people” (pardon the non-PC term, but that’s what we all called them then) were easy to spot. They were disorganized, defocused, addled by some drug, and, in all, behaving strangely. Often they could be overheard talking to themselves, or ranting at no-one in particular, or be seen looking intently at objects that were not there.
These days, of course, such behavior is considered perfectly normal, and the streets are full of people who appear to be talking to themselves (they might be talking on their cell phone, or not; it is hard to tell). A lot of them look defocused or addled by some drug, and that’s probably because they are on some psychoactive medication—legal or illegal—this being one of the most highly medicated countries on earth, and also the one with the largest, best-developed illegal drug market. Although the prevalence of public ranting doesn’t seem to have gone up appreciably, perhaps it only appears so due to a shift of venue: plenty of internet forums and social media sites are full of mad rants on any number of subjects.
One may surmise that, beyond providing the mentally ill with a safe and supportive environment, mental hospitals previously served an important additional function: they helped define what’s normal. When, thanks to Ronald Reagan’s cost-cutting initiative, it became normal for the mentally ill to walk the streets and mingle with the rest of the people, this eroded the entire concept of normality.
If our encounter were to happen today, the young man probably wouldn’t have been able to penetrate the lab, which is now behind doors that only open for those with a key fob and under the gaze of security cameras. You see, if your streets are awash with “crazy people,” you need to take security much more seriously. But let’s suppose that he did somehow manage to breach the perimeter. To be sure, he would be bringing us something other than an old-fashioned boombox. Most likely, it would be the gadget du jour: a smartphone, with a 50% chance of it running Google’s Android and a 40% chance of it running Apple’s iOS.
The young man would voice his suspicion that the CIA is using his phone to eavesdrop on his conversations. I would patiently explain to him that the organization in question is the NSA (National Security Agency), not the CIA and that, yes, the NSA is recording the metadata from every single phone call he makes (source number, destination number, time and duration). They can also record his actual conversations, and if they did there wouldn’t be any telltale clicks, buzzes, echos or static on the line, because it would all be done digitally.
Also, I would helpfully point out that the NSA can use his phone to record his location and track his movements. “But I keep GPS turned off!” the young man would protest, and I would respond that if he has a SIM card in his phone, then the phone emits roaming signals which allow its position to be determined with surprisingly good accuracy by using multilateralization—measuring its relative signal strength at several of the surrounding cell phone towers. To hide his position, he would have to turn the phone off.
As far as communicating with visiting flying saucers, I would simply tell him that “There’s probably an app for that.”
Do you see the curious role reversal that has occurred in the intervening years? Whereas previously it was “crazy people” who wondered if the CIA was spying on their conversations using their boomboxes, now it is the rest of the country that is crazy: the NSA is indeed spying on all of them, but they consider this to be perfectly normal, and continue to walk into voting booths and, like well-trained lab animals, repeatedly pull the lever for the same people who had instituted this insane, purposeless, yet very expensive surveillance regime. Whereas before such people were locked up in mental hospitals while the rest of us walked around freely, now it is the few remaining relatively sane people who are locked up inside security perimeters and behind locked doors, with entry granted only to the select few and always under the ever-watchful all-seeing eye of the security camera, while the “crazy people”—the population at large, that is—is kept outside.
Uncontrolled ranting—previously suppressed through confinement in mental institutions and medication—is now encouraged via social media, with an ever-expanding menu of rantworthy topics just a click away:
• 9/11 inside job
• global warming a government conspiracy
• contrails
• peak oil
• MMR vaccine causing autism
• rising ocean levels
• Obama being a space lizard
• the Federal Reserve undermining the country’s financial system
• the plastics plague
• Putin taking over the USSR
• near-term human extinction due to Arctic methane release
Pick and choose, mix and match—it doesn’t matter which of these have a basis in consensual reality, and which don’t, because, you see, you are all “crazy people” now, and everything you say (on social media, because unmediated face-to-face access to other humans is now a rarity) is automatically a mad rant.
Taken to its logical conclusion, this progression ends in the gadgetization of the human brain itself—through neural implants. Then the choice of rantworthy topics, such as the ones listed above, would be controllable through a centralized administrative interface. So, for instance, if it turned out that Obama were indeed a space lizard (how embarrassing!) the administrator would simlply click on “conspiracy theories,” click on the checkbox next to “Obama is a space lizard,” and click “uninstall.” Suddenly, Obama would no longer be a space lizard, or so the “crazy people” (the population at large) would be forced to immediately admit.
One problem is that “crazy people” tend to be rather unpredictable, but here too we should expect technological improvements. They would be transported in driverless cars which would tell them where they want to go rather than allow them to make potentially incorrect decisions, and, pièce de résistance, when traveling on foot, there would be a way of putting your entire body in “slave mode”: instead of your brain potentially disobeying commands from your integral GPS unit’s voice inside your head (“at the next corner turn right, etc.”) it would be your legs that would be doing the obeying. Your brain could be otherwise engaged: watching porn, listening to hip-hop or simply vegetating in a state of chemically induced rapture. This feature would be particularly useful on election day: voters would automatically march to poling stations and always be sure to pull the correct lever, improving voter turn-out and making the country more democratic than ever.
And if a young man were to breach the security perimeter and sneak into the lab to tell me that his cat is feeding him coded messages in Swahili, I’d just connect wirelessly to his neural implant, bring up his page in the admin interface, say something like “Wow, that’s a weird bug!” and a few clicks later the faulty app would be uninstalled, and he would no longer have a cat, or even remember that he ever had one.
And that, my crazy friends, is how better living through technology will be achieved in our country-sized open-air insane asylum.
45 Comments on "Orlov: Crazyland"
Repent on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 5:30 pm
Those are all the real topics, all the mainstream news is just nuts in suits.
Speculawyer on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 5:34 pm
Pretty ironic to hear Orlov whine about crazy people when he believes everything the Kremlin says.
eugene on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 5:54 pm
Orlov only believes everything the Kremlin says to those who believes nothing the Kremlin says. Of course those who believe nothing the Kremlin says believe everything the US says.
dissident on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 6:00 pm
Clearly the same thing can be said about you, Speculawyer. You think that if Washington and its mass media mouthpieces don’t mention anything about the daily slaughter of civilians by the US puppet regime in Kiev, then it isn’t happening.
And no, drone boy, I get my information from youtube videos showing me what remains of women and children after your dogs butcher them from afar with shells and MLRS rockets and not “from the Kremlin”. Those youtube videos have more content than the whole of the NATO media and punditry.
joe on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 6:12 pm
These commentators are so full of it. ‘Don’t stress, your all f***ed anyway’ kind of stuff is exactly what will sleepwalk us to oblivion. That kind of negativity keeps the Putins of the world in power. What about ‘if I go down, you are too, Mr putin.’. These people don’t have magic powers, it is other people who do their bidding that keeps them in what they think is control. Peak oil is no conspiracy theory, it’s physics, putin controls Russia is a definite conspiracy, and not a theory at all.
GregT on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 6:21 pm
Orlov is an American Spec. He doesn’t believe in the Kremlin, and he also doesn’t believe in the
oligarchs in DC that are destroying the once greatest nation on Earth. Real patriots stand against tyranny and oppression, they don’t put others down that expose the truth.
GregT on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 6:36 pm
Joe,
Putin enjoys a 94% approval rating amongst 180 million people. Obama doesn’t even have majority support at 46%. In Canada, our Prime Minister has dropped to 22%.
Have you ever stopped to wonder why that might be?
joe on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 6:43 pm
Because they don’t believe that things can get better. Imagine if a black man tried to become president in Russia, or Ukraine. That tells me everything I need to know about the way things are. Saddam was popular with sunnis.
GregT on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 6:55 pm
No Joe,
Because they don’t believe that their leadership is doing a good job. They don’t feel represented.
“Imagine if a black man tried to become president in Russia, or Ukraine.”
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Saddam was popular with Sunnis, who just happen to make up the majority of the population. Iraq was much better off with Saddam the evil dictator, than they are now. The US invasion alone, resulted in the deaths of over 900,000 people.
You’re talking nonsense Joe.
joe on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 7:08 pm
No I’m not making nonsense, putin is popular with the power center of Russia, the fsb and the oilgarchs, 94% popularity is a lie. Most Russians don’t care who is in control because they know they have no say anyway, the biggest part of the Russian economy is oil/gas the rest is black market. The rest of eastern Europe is begging to be let into the EU. Which is what this war is all really about. Russia is disintegrating slowly, a show of power and might is populist so ethnic Russians will love it, but that’s all. Russia has come a long way. Most of the hardest fighting ISIS fighters are chechens, that’s Russias future, that’s the challange. Not Ukraine.
Plantagenet on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 7:28 pm
More stupidity from Orlov who blames Reagan for closing “all the mental hospitals.” Yes, in Russia the mental hospitals are controlled by the Federal government, but here in the US all mental hospitals were run by states, funded by states and opened or closed by individual states.
Orlov doesn’t have a clue.
Plantagenet on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 7:33 pm
Once more GregT shows he can’t do math.
His claim that “Saddam was popular with Sunnis, who just happen to make up a majority of the population” is unadulterated dumbness. The Sunni only make up ca. 20% of the population of Iraq. When people with brains do math, 20% does NOT constitute a majority.
Cheers!
http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/12/27/is-there-a-sunni-majority-in-iraq/
Apneaman on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 7:45 pm
Hey Planty, so you live in Alaska and are a republican. Did you vote for Sarah Palin?
Makati1 on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 7:49 pm
GregT, joe appears be just another brainwashed Westerner. They represent the majority now. We have others here that are still locked into the old Cold War mentality or are government bots.
I like Orlov as he gives me another view on the world of chaos we inhabit. The more ‘views’ you get, the sharper the picture becomes. But, you ALWAYS have to consider the source. Remember, 90+% of the ‘news’ outlets in America are owned by six giant corporations that are part of the real power behind the throne. And brainwashing/propaganda has reached levels not believed possible in Goebbels time. Most don’t even know it is happening since it began at their birth, But they are not in Kansas anymore…
GregT on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 7:54 pm
From islamonline.net, not from the CIA ‘fact book’.
Fresh statistics by an international organization suggested that Iraq’s Sunnis are in a clear majority, as Shiite scholars conceded that Shiites could make up as much as 40 percent of the whole population.
The statistics, released by a reliable international humanitarian relief agency in2003 , suggested that Sunnis make up 58 percent of the Iraqi population and Shiites 40 percent.
Unofficial Shiite statistics, now hyped as the most closer to truth, said Shiites make up60 – 65percent of the population. Others went as far to put the percentage at 73 percent.
Moving to the other extreme, Sunni statistics said that Sunnis are larger in number forming 65 percent against 40 percent of Shiites.
Iraqi academicians – both Sunnis and Shiites – threw suspicions on both counts.
These numbers are exaggerated as “the number of Shiites, I think, is averaged at 40 or 45 percent of the whole population against 53 percent of Sunnis,” the Shiite Mohamed Jawwad Ali told Quds Press news agency.
Mazen El-Ramadani, a Sunni political science professor, attributed the numerical conflicts between two main sects to the Shiites’ huge ability of mobilization and their distribution at many governorates regardless of population density.
El-Ramadani said the Shiite majority claims were first propagated by Jewish writer Hanna Batto.
Politically Motivated
Observers said the contrasted Shiite and Sunnis statistics could have been politically motivated, as the U.S. occupation forces seeking to marginalize the role of Sunnis – now launching almost-daily resistance attacks that killed hundreds of American soldiers.
Iraqis Sunnis have expressed bitter resentment at being marginalized under the new U.S.-led order in post-violence Iraq, charging that the Americans were rewarding the Kurds and the Shiites with drawing up the country’s political landscape.
http://uruknet.web.at.it/colonna-centrale-pagina.php?p=1028&colonna=m
redpill on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 8:05 pm
“But, you ALWAYS have to consider the source. Remember, 90+% of the ‘news’ outlets in America are owned by six giant corporations that are part of the real power behind the throne.”
Yeah Mak, and for those with the curiosity, they can search for any news source they wish and comment as they like, just like here on this blog.
Also, we don’t seem to have near the problem of journalists being killed or imprisoned as is the case in senor Orlov’s motherland. China as well for that matter.
Davy on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 8:13 pm
Greg, just because Putin has a high approval rating does not make him good for Russia and or the world. It just makes him popular. Hitler was popular too. If Putin does not show result from all the sacrifices of the normal Russian that rating could go down quickly.
The price of oil is what Putin needs to worry about and a warming of relations with the US and Nato. If the cold war thaws Putin will not have an enemy to draw popularity from conflict. If short is right and I think he is, Russia will never return to the wealth period of high oil prices that lifted Russia up like the last 15 years.
dissident on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 8:49 pm
I see that PDS (Putin Derangement Syndrome) is in full bloom here. People spout off tin foil hat western media propaganda as if it was established fact.
You are full of it, redpill. Give me one example of a Russian journalist being jailed. I dare you. As for the killings. Supposedly there are were hundreds but for some reason only Politkovskaya got 100% of the attention. That is a clear indication that the “hundreds” were real. Also, I read one such report from Reporters Without Borders and it was clear that any journalist who died from whatever cause was being counted as a victim of Putin. So all the journalists killed by local mafias for trying to expose them were somehow Putin’s direct responsibility.
As for precious Politkovskaya, the NATO propaganda parrot working inside Russia, why was she left alone during the full active phase of the Chechen war to spread her lies and only offed when she faded into obscurity? Clearly the claim that Putin offed her is a pure lame brain conspiracy theory without a shred of motive or evidence.
BTW, to all you PDS hate fantasy projectionists, look up what happened in many Central American countries to thousands of journalists and activists during the 1970s and 1980s under US installed and approved regimes. Then compare to Russia. You will find that you are all full of sh*t.
Davy on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 8:58 pm
Geeze, calm down Dissy you’re going to blow a roid.
Putin runs a Mafia state Dissy. Putin is the dirty “Don”. Putin’s shit runs into the Russian sewer and pollutes the whole system. He is the primary reason Russia remains a mafia state.
You talk about PDS, well, you are a propagandist with an agenda. This makes you an otherwise intelligent person with some good ideas just another “fact jacker”. You are so far up your Russian loving ass you can’t even smell your own farts.
GregT on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 9:06 pm
I’m not going to get into it here Davy, but a gal that I lived with for a few years was a historian and political scientist at SFU. She did her dissertation on Hitler’s Germany. Let’s just say that her version of events are very different from what we learned in school, and her version of events are not contested outside of our sphere of influence like they are here. Please don’t get me wrong, I do not condone what happened in the least, but there is far more to the story then what we are lead to believe, and much of what we have been taught is just plain wrong.
steve on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 9:14 pm
Greg you don’t get the game!!
Putin enjoys a 94% approval rating amongst 180 million people. Obama doesn’t even have majority support at 46%. In Canada, our Prime Minister has dropped to 22%.
Have you ever stopped to wonder why that might be?
I thought you were more intelligent but I guess not….the “americans” will elect another Ronald Reagan soon and then he/she will have a favorable rating…Putin is taking a page out of Reagans playbook nothing more…when the U.S was suffering from a malaise under Jimmy Carter…que new president and make world enemy…Greg take a break from here and study your history….We are heading to WW3 and it does not matter who is popular…
Davy on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 9:35 pm
Greg, my main interest is with doom and prep. I do agree with you that much of what has been taught on all sides is distorted by national prejudices. Few countries I know of are honest with their history Russia included.
GregT on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 9:54 pm
Oh, but I do get the game Steve. The game is about global domination. The same game that has been played by the same groups in earnest since the turn of the century. Anybody that gets in their way has been taken out. Putin (and his oligarchs) just happen to be the latest on their very long list. I used to believe that they would be successful in their goal, but now I am not so sure. The end of the age of oil is a huge game changer and their time is rapidly running out. If sanctions don’t work, which it does not appear that they will, I expect Washington to push the red button. It is probably the only chance they have left of getting their one world banking system, and their one world government.
Novus ordo seclorum
dissident on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 9:59 pm
The west has a 1000 year history of losing in its attempts to take over Russia. This time it will be no different. Of all the western invaders, the American lot are dumbest of them all.
Speculawyer on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 10:07 pm
Oh Jeez . . . we are back to a discussion of InfoWars quality. Ugh.
GregT on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 10:09 pm
Davy,
I know you are a busy guy, but if you can find the time, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDtBSiI13fE
GregT on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 10:11 pm
Spec,
Keep your eyes shut and your mind closed, life is much easier to deal with that way.
steve on Tue, 2nd Jun 2015 10:12 pm
I don’t have time to analyze Obama…Putin…Harper….Cameron etc….their popularity will not matter in the near future so it is futile to argue otherwise…Orlov is a douche bag selling his propaganda and his soft porn…hmm I wonder why he doesn’t have his porno pictures with the articles anymore?…The amount of suffering during WW1 was so immense that people turned a blind eye to Hitler gassing Jews before WW2 even started…people today don’t understand that at all….Canada has assisted and turned a blind eye to the actions of the States for much too long….and now it is too late.
redpill on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 12:18 am
“The west has a 1000 year history of losing in its attempts to take over Russia.”
I’m not sure about how much of a “Russia” there was back in 1015. Whatever there was, I think they were a tad more concerned about those persistent archers on horseback who came from The East.
And whoever is on shift for GregT’s ID at this time of the day, you’re lame!
PDS? That shit may fly in the space between your ears, but out here it just sounds like your marbles aren’t all in the same bag.
Davy on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 6:36 am
Greg, I am on board with your issues of global domination. Since I have started here you have introduced me to some great ideas on the subject. I was up on it before but not in-depth like you. The problem I have is you put the majority of the blame on the US for this. This is now a global phenomenon so the rest of the 6.7BIL global population 1%ers and their corrupt politicians have to be a part of that equation.
Among the anti-Americans here it is all about the US is in the wrong. Russia, China, and the rest of the basket case cabal globally are not considered an issue. Russia and China have some of the worst governance and human rights in the world. China is the worst environmental criminal in the world. The rest of the brics are a mess. I am all for anti-American establishment talk in the context of the rest of the world’s problems when it is acknowledged the rest are a part of the problem and increasingly so because the US is in diminishment.
People like dissy are just as bad as the flag waiving Americans here. He is a Russian ass kisser that uses selective facts and distortions to get his point across just like the off the chart anti-American Makster. The Makster is the worst because of the shear volumes of bile. The Makster does not have one once of balance and fairness. The Makster uses this board to air his foul smelling resentment of a failed life in the US.
Greg, I am less concerned than you are about the global domination issues. Things at that level are going to play out as they will. At this level the room we may have once had for reform is gone. We may have had a chance in the 80’s with the USSR’s demise but the neo-cons just use that time to increase their power.
These folks that are operating at the global power level are part of a system that is in decline and heading for destruction. The system itself is evil and mechanized in its corruption from power concentrations of globalism. We can call global BAU hyper power corruption or power corruption on steroids. Look at any nation and their policies and we see this. All major powers are spending an inordinate share of their wealth on the military as one example. This is a situation of forced competition to dominate and that is evil. I am not talking religiously here I am talking in a systematically destructive sense.
I am more concerned with the abstracts of dynamic system in the financial and oil side of the equation. I am not sure if the US will cause NUK war. Russia could too because Putin and his Russian military cabal are just as mad but not as dangerous as the US at least not yet. The Russian people have been hijacked just like the US. The geopolitical may or may not end this global BAU. It can but I think systematic failures will end it first or a global war will initiate the failures. Either way BAU will end.
My concern is with the end I am sure is coming systematically with the global financial system and oil. AGW climate change and ecological collapse is my next concern. The systematic and environmental interest me. I get involved in the geopolitical when it becomes excessive and unfair. This usually happens when the majority who are anti-Americans get whipped up into a frenzy of attacks. When this happens the discussion becomes unbalanced and inaccurate.
I have high regards for you Greg. I appreciate your insight into the establishment issues. I am no fan of DC. The constitution has been shredded. The world is at risk from a very powerful group in Washington. The US is the most dangerous country now exactly because it is a broken empire. Anytime systematically you have a system in descent you have chaos with dysfunctional networks and irrational policies. This is happening in the US.
I don’t want this board to be so geopolitical in orientation. In fact this site should be more about peak oil and its dynamics in the global system then the geopolitical. When this site gets hijacked by the anti-Americans it becomes unhinged. The hijacking is from whoever is posting the articles on this site too. This site is over the top in anti-American posts.
Davy on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 6:44 am
Steve said “Orlov is a douche bag selling his propaganda and his soft porn…hmm I wonder why he doesn’t have his porno pictures with the articles anymore?” I am in total agreement Steve. There is a proper way to handle anti-American issues but not Orlov’s way. Anyone who subscribes to Orlov’s way is as bad as the MSM in the US. Propaganda is a tool that can be used by anyone. It is effective and that is why the desire to use it is so great. It is selectively using facts to advance ones position and that is called an agenda plain and simple. It is a distortion of the truth for personal reasons. It does not matter which side uses propaganda it is wrong in regards to the pursuit of the truth. Orlov should go back to Russia and suck on mother Russia’s tits. He obviously was denied her milk when he was a scrawny little kid.
Rodster on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 7:11 am
“The game is about global domination. The same game that has been played by the same groups in earnest since the turn of the century. Anybody that gets in their way has been taken out. Putin (and his oligarchs) just happen to be the latest on their very long list. I used to believe that they would be successful in their goal, but now I am not so sure. The end of the age of oil is a huge game changer and their time is rapidly running out. If sanctions don’t work, which it does not appear that they will, I expect Washington to push the red button. It is probably the only chance they have left of getting their one world banking system, and their one world government.”
Nailed it 100% !
Davy on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 7:16 am
Anti-Americans tell me how this makes Russia a good country. Mak, Dissy, Rodster can you fill me in? Tell me dissy is Ruslan Pulhov an invented personality for NATO propaganda purposes?
“The government has two urgent tasks: strengthening security at all levels of society and promoting innovation to end the macroeconomic stagnation,” said Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies and an adviser to the Defense Ministry in Moscow. “The solution to both problems is to intensify the development of the military-industrial complex.”
….. ‘Permanent War’
Defense and the related category of national security and law enforcement now eat up 34 percent of the budget, more than double the ratio in 2010. The U.S., by comparison, spent 18 percent, or $615 billion, of its budget last year on defense and international security, according to the Washington-based Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-02/putin-s-secret-budget-hides-shift-toward-war-economy
GregT on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 8:02 am
The international bankers have taken control of the American government Davy. Many of them are not even Americans. Again, you are confusing America, with those who are in control of America. This is not a national issue. These people have no patriotism, and are not only targeting Russia, they plan on taking the US down as well. They want a one world system, without the American constitution.
Rodster on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 8:26 am
“This is not a national issue. These people have no patriotism, and are not only targeting Russia, they plan on taking the US down as well. They want a one world system, without the American constitution.”
Couldn’t have said it better !
It’s all about a one world currency and one world govt without borders. It’s George Soros’ wet dream.
Rodster on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 8:32 am
In fact this East vs West puppet show is just that, a game to lure the masses from what’s really taking place behind the scenes. The AIIB/BRICS is nothing more than to take your eye off the ball.
These guys are all in on the same game with the IMF/BIS/WB. The East’s financial/banking/economic models are based on the West. All the East wants is a larger seat/influence and a larger piece of the IMF/BIS/WB pie.
Here’s a quote: “The BRICS New Development Bank is not an alternative to the IMF and the World Bank but rather a complement, said Presidential aide Sergey Glazyev.”
http://rt.com/business/261241-brics-bank-institutions-complement/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome
GregT on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 8:37 am
For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.
David Rockefeller- from his book ‘Memoirs’
Davy on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 8:38 am
Greg you are confusing what I am saying. We are saying the same thing just I am cancelling out Putin from the equation because he is almost as dangerous as the group you hate. What I am saying is the rest of the world is not exclusive to this hijacking they are a part of it.
I agree with your international bankers and 1%of the 1%ers meme of world domination. I am saying Russia is little better and just as dangerous. The Russians are not an alternative and neither is China. The best they can do is be a balance of power at this point hopeful cancelling each other out. In this case there are no alternatives as far as victors. The whole system is bad and it all should be destroyed. How does that sound?
Putin is not going to be my savior and I am not going to learn Chinese. There is little left of the US constitution no doubt. My country is nearly gone but so is the rest of the world. No one here is going to sell me on Russia, China, and any other global group. People here are especially not going to sell me on Putin who is a blue eyed devil that will kill us all if the US doesn’t first. Putin’s slimy fingers are on the red button just like the puppet Obama and his string pullers.
GregT on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 8:39 am
“Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.”
Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991
GregT on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 8:45 am
Davy,
Whether one likes Putin or not isn’t the point here. Putin isn’t planning on taking down your country. The people in control of your government, and your military, are. Putin is part of the last stand against a tyrannical, socialist, elitist, world power. Putin is an angel in comparison to the oligarchs in DC. You will speak whichever language they choose for you to speak. You will have no choice.
Davy on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 8:58 am
Sorry Greg, we won’t agree on this. Putin is just as dangerous and he will get more dangerous as his popularity rises and his military strengthens. He is becoming a psychopath just like the others corrupted by power and wealth. This is ever more apparent with his militarization path. He is a good balance of power with the oligarchs in DC that is for sure. We can agree on that.
GregT on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 9:41 am
You have fallen hook line and sinker for the globalist’s propaganda Davy. I could dig up hundreds of quotes from the DC oligarchs and their intentions to not only rule the world, but to take down the US. For the record, they have no plans for a democratic process.
Davy on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 10:16 am
Greg, you just want me to join your group of believers who have their own set of blind beliefs. I can care less about any of it now. I am dooming and prepping no matter how it ends. My interest is with systems dynamics not the geopolitical. If I chime in on these topics it is only for balance and fairness. You know I despise Asia worship out of Makster or Putin worship out of dizzy dissy.
Either way the system is coming apart. Does it matter Greg? No because there is no hope. As for your mention of history. I don’t read much from recent history. Recent history is an example of the worst of human history. I have read enough to be sick of it. The propaganda and distortion a on all sides are sickening for a period of the worst of our humanity in every way. I prefer post 1850’s and more importantly to me Native American.
So Greg, again, I could give a shit about the DC oligarchs. What you say about them is true and well research. You are the best of the forum on this subject. I will say you are falling hook line and sinker for Putin just as many of the others here are but we all have our heroes.
Since we are such good friends I will defer your expertise on the matter of the geopolitical and the DC oligarchs with one exception that it does not include Putin. Let me do my Davy doom salad rants on the systematic collapse coming to the global system and you beat up on the DC den of thieves. Deal?
GregT on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 10:29 am
Deal.
Revi on Wed, 3rd Jun 2015 12:01 pm
This is the best Orlov article I have read in a while.
I agree. Almost everyone is nuts nowadays.