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Lately I’ve been rereading some of the tales of H.P. Lovecraft. He’s nearly unique among the writers of American horror stories, in that his sense of the terrible was founded squarely on the worldview of modern science. He was a steadfast atheist and materialist, but unlike so many believers in that creed, his attitude toward the cosmos revealed by science was not smug satisfaction but shuddering horror. The first paragraph of his most famous story, “The Call of Cthulhu,” is typical:
“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.”
It’s entirely possible that this insight of Lovecraft’s will turn out to be prophetic, and that a passionate popular revolt against the implications—and even more, the applications—of contemporary science will be one of the forces that propel us into the dark age ahead. Still, that’s a subject for a later post in this series. The point I want to make here is that Lovecraft’s image of people eagerly seeking such peace and safety as a dark age may provide them is not as ironic as it sounds. Outside the elites, which have a different and considerably more gruesome destiny than the other inhabitants of a falling civilization, it’s surprisingly rare for people to have to be forced to trade civilization for barbarism, either by human action or by the pressure of events. By and large, by the time that choice arrives, the great majority are more than ready to make the exchange, and for good reason.
Let’s start by reviewing some basics. As I pointed out in a paper published online back in 2005—a PDF is available here—the process that drives the collapse of civilizations has a surprisingly simple basis: the mismatch between the maintenance costs of capital and the resources that are available to meet those costs. Capital here is meant in the broadest sense of the word, and includes everything in which a civilizations invests its wealth: buildings, roads, imperial expansion, urban infrastructure, information resources, trained personnel, or what have you. Capital of every kind has to be maintained, and as a civilization adds to its stock of capital, the costs of maintenance rise steadily, until the burden they place on the civilization’s available resources can’t be supported any longer.
The only way to resolve that conflict is to allow some of the capital to be converted to waste, so that its maintenance costs drop to zero and any useful resources locked up in the capital can be put to other uses. Human beings being what they are, the conversion of capital to waste generally isn’t carried out in a calm, rational manner; instead, kingdoms fall, cities get sacked, ruling elites are torn to pieces by howling mobs, and the like. If a civilization depends on renewable resources, each round of capital destruction is followed by a return to relative stability and the cycle begins all over again; the history of imperial China is a good example of how that works out in practice.
If a civilization depends on nonrenewable resources for essential functions, though, destroying some of its capital yields only a brief reprieve from the crisis of maintenance costs. Once the nonrenewable resource base tips over into depletion, there’s less and less available each year thereafter to meet the remaining maintenance costs, and the result is the stairstep pattern of decline and fall so familiar from history: each crisis leads to a round of capital destruction, which leads to renewed stability, which gives way to crisis as the resource base drops further. Here again, human beings being what they are, this process isn’t carried out in a calm, rational manner; the difference here is simply that kingdoms keep falling, cities keep getting sacked, ruling elites are slaughtered one after another in ever more inventive and colorful ways, until finally contraction has proceeded far enough that the remaining capital can be supported on the available stock of renewable resources.
That’s a thumbnail sketch of the theory of catabolic collapse, the basic model of the decline and fall of civilizations that underlies the overall project of this blog. I’d encourage those who have questions about the details of the theory to go ahead and read the published version linked above; down the road a ways, I hope to publish a much more thoroughly developed version of the theory, but that project is still in the earliest stages just now. What I want to do here is to go a little more deeply into the social implications of the theory.
It’s common these days to hear people insist that our society is divided into two and only two classes, an elite class that receives all the benefits of the system, and everyone else, who bears all the burdens. The reality, in ours as in every other human society, is a great deal more nuanced. It’s true, of course, that the benefits move toward the top of the ladder of wealth and privilege and the burdens get shoved toward the bottom, but in most cases—ours very much included—you have to go a good long way down the ladder before you find people who receive no benefits at all.
There have admittedly been a few human societies in which most people receive only such benefits from the system as will enable them to keep working until they drop. The early days of plantation slavery in the United States and the Caribbean islands, when the average lifespan of a slave from purchase to death was under ten years, fell into that category, and so do a few others—for example, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. These are exceptional cases; they emerge when the cost of unskilled labor drops close to zero and either abundant profits or ideological considerations make the fate of the laborers a matter of complete indifference to their masters.
Under any other set of conditions, such arrangements are uneconomical. It’s more profitable, by and large, to allow such additional benefits to the laboring class as will permit them to survive and raise families, and to motivate them to do more than the bare minimum that will evade the overseer’s lash. That’s what generates the standard peasant economy, for example, in which the rural poor pay landowners in labor and a share of agricultural production for access to arable land.
There are any number of similar arrangements, in which the laboring classes do the work, the ruling classes allow them access to productive capital, and the results are divided between the two classes in a proportion that allows the ruling classes to get rich and the laboring classes to get by. If that sounds familiar, it should. In terms of the distribution of labor, capital, and production, the latest offerings of today’s job market are indistinguishable from the arrangements between an ancient Egyptian landowner and the peasants who planted and harvested his fields.
The more complex a society becomes, the more intricate the caste system that divides it, and the more diverse the changes that are played on this basic scheme. A relatively simple medieval society might get by with four castes—the feudal Japanese model, which divided society into aristocrats, warriors, farmers, and a catchall category of traders, craftspeople, entertainers, and the like, is as good an example as any. A stable society near the end of a long age of expansion, by contrast, might have hundreds or even thousands of distinct castes, each with its own niche in the social and economic ecology of that society. In every case, each caste represents a particular balance between benefits received and burdens exacted, and given a stable economy entirely dependent on renewable resources, such a system can continue intact for a very long time.
Factor in the process of catabolic collapse, though, and an otherwise stable system turns into a fount of cascading instabilities. The point that needs to be grasped here is that social hierarchies are a form of capital, in the broad sense mentioned above. Like the other forms of capital included in the catabolic collapse model, social hierarchies facilitate the production and distribution of goods and services, and they have maintenance costs that have to be met. If the maintenance costs aren’t met, as with any other form of capital, social hierarchies are converted to waste; they stop fulfilling their economic function, and become available for salvage.
That sounds very straightforward. Here as so often, though, it’s the human factor that transforms it from a simple equation to the raw material of history. As the maintenance costs of a civilization’s capital begin to mount up toward the point of crisis, corners get cut and malign neglect becomes the order of the day. Among the various forms of capital, though, some benefit people at one point on the ladder of social hierarchy more than people at other levels. As the maintenance budget runs short, people normally try to shield the forms of capital that benefit them directly, and push the cutbacks off onto forms of capital that benefit others instead. Since the ability of any given person to influence where resources go corresponds very precisely to that person’s position in the social hierarchy, this means that the forms of capital that benefit the people at the bottom of the ladder get cut first.
Now of course this isn’t what you hear from Americans today, and it’s not what you hear from people in any society approaching catabolic collapse. When contraction sets in, as I noted here in a post two weeks ago, people tend to pay much more attention to whatever they’re losing than to the even greater losses suffered by others. The middle-class Americans who denounce welfare for the poor at the top of their lungs while demanding that funding for Medicare and Social Security remain intact are par for the course; so, for that matter, are the other middle-class Americans who denounce the admittedly absurd excesses of the so-called 1% while carefully neglecting to note the immense differentials of wealth and privilege that separate them from those still further down the ladder.
This sort of thing is inevitable in a fight over slices of a shrinking pie. Set aside the inevitable partisan rhetoric, though, and a society moving into the penumbra of catabolic collapse is a society in which more and more people are receiving less and less benefit from the existing order of society, while being expected to shoulder an ever-increasing share of the costs of a faltering system. To those who receive little or no benefits in return, the maintenance costs of social capital rapidly become an intolerable burden, and as the supply of benefits still available from a faltering system becomes more and more a perquisite of the upper reaches of the social hierarchy, that burden becomes an explosive political fact.
Every society depends for its survival on the passive acquiescence of the majority of the population and the active support of a large minority. That minority—call them the overseer class—are the people who operate the mechanisms of social hierarchy: the bureaucrats, media personnel, police, soldiers, and other functionaries who are responsible for maintaining social order. They are not drawn from the ruling elite; by and large, they come from the same classes they are expected to control; and if their share of the benefits of the existing order falters, if their share of the burdens increases too noticeably, or if they find other reasons to make common cause with those outside the overseer class against the ruling elite, then the ruling elite can expect to face the brutal choice between flight into exile and a messy death. The mismatch between maintenance costs and available resources, in turn, makes some such turn of events extremely difficult to avoid.
A ruling elite facing a crisis of this kind has at least three available options. The first, and by far the easiest, is to ignore the situation. In the short term, this is actually the most economical option; it requires the least investment of scarce resources and doesn’t require potentially dangerous tinkering with fragile social and political systems. The only drawback is that once the short term runs out, it pretty much guarantees a horrific fate for the members of the ruling elite, and in many cases, this is a less convincing argument than one might think. It’s always easy to find an ideology that insists that things will turn out otherwise, and since members of a ruling elite are generally well insulated from the unpleasant realities of life in the society over which they preside, it’s usually just as easy for them to convince themselves of the validity of whatever ideology they happen to choose. The behavior of the French aristocracy in the years leading up to the French Revolution is worth consulting in this context.
The second option is to try to remedy the situation by increased repression. This is the most expensive option, and it’s generally even less effective than the first, but ruling elites with a taste for jackboots tend to fall into the repression trap fairly often. What makes repression a bad choice is that it does nothing to address the sources of the problems it attempts to suppress. Furthermore, it increases the maintenance costs of social hierarchy drastically—secret police, surveillance gear, prison camps, and the like don’t come cheap—and it enforces the lowest common denominator of passive obedience while doing much to discourage active engagement of people outside the elite in the project of saving the society. A survey of the fate of the Communist dictatorships of Eastern Europe is a good antidote to the delusion that an elite with enough spies and soldiers can stay in power indefinitely.
That leaves the third option, which requires the ruling elite to sacrifice some of its privileges and perquisites so that those further down the social ladder still have good reason to support the existing order of society. That isn’t common, but it does happen; it happened in the United States as recently as the 1930s, when Franklin Roosevelt spearheaded changes that spared the United States the sort of fascist takeover or civil war that occurred in so many other failed democracies in the same era. Roosevelt and his allies among the very rich realized that fairly modest reforms would be enough to comvince most Americans that they had more to gain from supporting the system than they would gain by overthrowing it. A few job-creation projects and debt-relief measures, a few welfare programs, and a few perp walks by the most blatant of the con artists of the preceding era of high finance, were enough to stop the unraveling of the social hierarchy, and restore a sense of collective unity strong enough to see the United States through a global war in the following decade.
Now of course Roosevelt and his allies had huge advantages that any comparable project would not be able to duplicate today. In 1933, though it was hamstrung by a collapsed financial system and a steep decline in international trade, the economy of the United States still had the world’s largest and most productive industrial plant and some of the world’s richest deposits of petroleum, coal, and many other natural resources. Eighty years later, the industrial plant was abandoned decades ago in an orgy of offshoring motivated by short-term profit-seeking, and nearly every resource the American land once offered in abundance has been mined and pumped right down to the dregs. That means that an attempt to imitate Roosevelt’s feat under current conditions would face much steeper obstacles, and it would also require the ruling elite to relinquish a much greater share of its current perquisites and privileges than they did in Roosevelt’s day.
I could be mistaken, but I don’t think it will even be tried this time around. Just at the moment, the squabbling coterie of competing power centers that constitutes the ruling elite of the United States seems committed to an approach halfway between the first two options I’ve outlined. The militarization of US domestic police forces and the rising spiral of civil rights violations carried out with equal enthusiasm by both mainstream political parties fall on the repressive side of the scale. At the same time, for all these gestures in the direction of repression, the overall attitude of American politicians and financiers seems to be that nothing really that bad can actually happen to them or the system that provides them with their power and their wealth.
They’re wrong, and at this point it’s probably a safe bet that a great many of them will die because of that mistake. Already, a large fraction of Americans—probably a majority—accept the continuation of the existing order of society in the United States only because a viable alternative has yet to emerge. As the United States moves closer to catabolic collapse, and the burden of propping up an increasingly dysfunctional status quo bears down ever more intolerably on more and more people outside the narrowing circle of wealth and privilege, the bar that any alternative has to leap will be set lower and lower. Sooner or later, something will make that leap and convince enough people that there’s a workable alternative to the status quo, and the passive acquiescence on which the system depends for its survival will no longer be something that can be taken for granted.
It’s not necessary for such an alternative to be more democratic or more humane than the order that it attempts to replace. It can be considerably less so, so long as it imposes fewer costs on the majority of people and distributes benefits more widely than the existing order does. That’s why, in the last years of Rome, so many people of the collapsing empire so readily accepted the rule of barbarian warlords in place of the imperial government. That government had become hopelessly dysfunctional by the time of the barbarian invasions, centralizing authority in distant bureaucratic centers out of touch with current realities and imposing tax burdens on the poor so crushing that many people were forced to sell themselves into slavery or flee to depopulated regions of the countryside to take up the uncertain life of Bacaudae, half guerrilla and half bandit, hunted by imperial troops whenever those had time to spare from the defense of the frontiers.
By contrast, the local barbarian warlord might be brutal and capricious, but he was there on the scene, and thus unlikely to exhibit the serene detachment from reality so common in centralized bureaucratic states at the end of their lives. What’s more, the warlord had good reason to protect the peasants who put bread and meat on his table, and the cost of supporting him and his retinue in the relatively modest style of barbarian kingship was considerably less expensive than the burden of helping to prop up the baroque complexities of the late Roman imperial bureaucracy. That’s why the peasants and agricultural slaves of the late Roman world acquiesced so calmly in the implosion of Rome and its replacement by a patchwork of petty kingdoms. It wasn’t just that it was merely a change of masters; it was that in a great many cases, the new masters were considerably less of a burden than the old ones had been.
We can expect much the same process to unfold in North America as the United States passes through its own trajectory of decline and fall. Before tracing the ways that process might work out, though, it’s going to be necessary to sort through some common misconceptions, and that requires us to examine the ways that ruling elites destroy themselves. We’ll cover that next week.
The Archdruid Report by John Michael Greer
20 Comments on "John Michael Greer: Dark Age America The End of the Old Order"
BillC on Wed, 17th Sep 2014 11:21 pm
Too long.
Plantagenet on Wed, 17th Sep 2014 11:44 pm
Greer seems unaware that the “ruling elites” actually have created policies to help the poor in the US. Doesn’t he know about Social security, Obamacare, federally subsidized college loans, federally subsidized home loans, welfare, food stamps, WIC, disability, etc. etc. ??
It is indeed amazing that there is no general revolt against the lack of good-paying jobs and the general way that Obama and the cretins in DC are drowning the country in debt and mismanaging the economy, but perhaps the sheeple will be content and happy enough as long as they get their TV and food stamps and legal marijuana.
GregT on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 12:19 am
Plant,
Sorry buddy, the sheeple are the ones that believe that Obama is in charge. The ones that believe that Obama is responsible for the national debt that has been growing for the better part of a century, the ones that don’t understand the federal reserve banking system, and the ones that don’t understand exponential growth.
Maybe if you could wrap your head around the fact that politics will not solve our problems, and you spent more time smoking pot than you spend on your blind political affiliations, you might actually rise beyond being a sheeple.
Northwest Resident on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 12:44 am
“Social security, Obamacare, federally subsidized college loans, federally subsidized home loans, welfare, food stamps, WIC, disability, etc.”
Mere peanuts. Humiliation and loss of self worth or indebtedness is part of “the deal”.
There is a fourth option for the ruling elites that Greer doesn’t mention. Abandon ship. Withdraw to the castle stronghold. Fortify critical assets. Wait for the natural culling of the herd to play out. Re-emerge with enough strength and resources to re-claim vital assets and apply force where necessary. Have a propaganda narrative ready to inundate the few survivors with, one that inspires them, plays on their needs, wants and emotions — one that the majority will buy into. Where the elites lead, the majority of humans are prone to follow. Survivors of the great culling will be a tough group of customers however, so the plan better be a good one, and one that as Greer would say distributes the capital more evenly (socialism, in other words).
Plantagenet on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 1:36 am
@GregT:
Given the new Harvard study showing that marijuana use causes brain damage, I’ll leave that particular vice to you.
http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2014/04/casual-marijuana-use-linked-to-brain-abnormalities-in-students.html
AND as far as your claim that some mysterious group of invisible people are in charge of the US government instead of the actual government officials we see running things, I hate to break it to you but that particular delusional conspiracy theory isn’t supported by any facts.
CHEERS!
Davy on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 7:18 am
We know that the 1%ers are building a house of cards through a debt Ponzi scheme that is drawing oxygen from a parasitic wealth transfer from the productive class. It is doing this through the top with corruption, manipulation and disregard of the traditional rule of laws. The political, military, industrial, and administrative hierarchy are in a revolving door of support and cooperation in this top down racket. If this were not enough this phenomenon has gone global and is supported globally by the same quasi racket between power groups and nations. At this level the cooperation may not be the same as the national level but the outcome is the same a general trend towards corruption, manipulation, and the disregard for the rule of law. So, we have a global phenomenon that is really only being effectively threatened by the Arab spring and the Muslim fanatics. This is likely to be contained in the ME. We also know theoretically and historically that catabolic collapse and collapse from diminishing returns of societies at limits of growth is real. The question for me and others is when, where, and how. Not only that but what degree and duration until a reboot? Will we reboot with some civilization or will we be “born again” into a “mad max” world of fascism, dictators, and war lords yielding slavery, serfdom, and the law of “power”. “OR” will we go all the way back to the Stone Age in isolated pockets of existence in a destroyed civilization and degraded global ecosystem. Any of these scenarios are possible when a system has progressed to the level ours is in population overshoot, ecological destruction, and resource depletion. We are truly on the cusp of a descent of some kind. This descent is not qualitatively definable nor quantitatively discernable due to its unprecedence with the size and the complexity never before seen in human history. IMA the conditioning of 200 years of more or less stable growth, innovation, and increased knowledge. We are in uncharted waters. It is quite possible for those of us middle age fart bags we may have several years of bitching back and forth about the failed predictions and the new threats of collapse. There is really no way to know what the fall will be but we can rightly speculate on what the nature of the fall might be from science and history. We can also claim the cornies woefully ignorant and criminal in the disregard for the risks that will leave a significant amount of the world population with pain and suffering. Much can be done to lessen that suffering but the 1%ers and their support base the cornucopians would have to yield to science and history. The 1%ers would have to practice relative sacrifice and reverse wealth transfer now before it is too late for any corrective action. This prescription is unlikely. Many if not most of the leadership is old and has just a few years left anyway why should they effectively sign away their golden years for a future uncertain in any case. It’s over folks prep now before it is too late.
Dredd on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 8:09 am
GregT,
Yes, that construct was revealed by the master of U.S. propaganda: “THE conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society.” (The Ways of Bernays, quoting his book “Propaganda”).
It has been written that those who do not know about Bernays (“The Father of Spin”) can’t understand U.S. history.
Davy on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 8:38 am
Dredd, you know, what is new! Same old same old of past 10,000 years. This has always been the case and except in our true human nature of small community, tribe, family do we see anything different. So that point need not be bitched about. What is criminal today is the hypocracy, lies, and corruption of a message that things are different today. Today the tricks are sophisticated and extreme because of big brother technology and the ability to effectively snuff out opposition like never before.
Makati1 on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 9:33 am
Yes, the “last 10,000 years” did not have the technology to brainwash millions 24/7/365 like we do today. And the US is a master at it.
“…Many of the citizens fall for US government propaganda justifying its military actions as often and as naively as Charlie Brown falling for Lucy’s football.
The American people are very much like the children of a Mafia boss who do not know what their father does for a living, and don’t want to know, but then wonder why someone just threw a firebomb through the living room window.
This basic belief in America’s good intentions is often linked to “American exceptionalism”. Let’s look at how exceptional US foreign policy has been. Since the end of World War 2, the United States has:
Attempted to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments, most of which were democratically-elected.
Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.
Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.
Attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movement in 20 countries.
Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries.
Led the world in torture; not only the torture performed directly by Americans upon foreigners, but providing torture equipment, torture manuals, lists of people to be tortured, and in-person guidance by American teachers, especially in Latin America.
This is indeed exceptional. No other country in all of history comes anywhere close to such a record…{”
http://ragingbullshit.com/2014/09/17/the-anti-empire-report-132/
As For the Archdruid, he is spot on as usual.
ghung on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 9:36 am
Plant: “Greer seems unaware that the “ruling elites” actually have created policies to help the poor in the US.”
Seems either you didn’t read the entire article or were unable to comprehend it. I suggest you read the two paragraphs beginning with:
“That leaves the third option, which requires the ruling elite to sacrifice some of its privileges and perquisites so that those further down the social ladder still have good reason to support the existing order of society….”
Roosevelt’s “New Deal” and all that…
Northwest Resident on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 9:44 am
Plant, haven’t you read all the studies that indicate the more intelligent a person is, the more likely that person is to use psychoactive drugs (like pot)? Here’s one for you (see below). Of course, YOU, being not even close to among the highly intelligent (as proven repeatedly by your dumbass comments) are clueless about the reality, and just spouting nonsense and pure B.S. as is your custom. The true dumbasses in the world fall for the propaganda that pot causes brain damage, and being the dumbasses that they are, they stupidly repeat the lies as if they are fact. You do the exact same thing in regards to shale/NG — repeat propaganda as if it is fact and make statements that demonstrate your inability to critically analyze the facts. With so many smart and intelligent people discussing subjects of great interest and compelling urgency on this forum, you stick out like a sore thumb. I await your next totally brain-dead ignorant comment — what will it be this time?
ht tp://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201010/why-intelligent-people-use-more-drugs
ghung on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 9:55 am
Just being alive causes brain damage, and some of the smartest most successful people I know smoke pot. They need to so they can relate to the rest of society and deal with the stupid things our human collective does. It’s the apathy defense.
Just sayin’…
Davy on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 11:00 am
I smoked for a time but for health reason quit. I will say this it is not great for short term memory. If you have an addictive personality you will be high all the time just to be normal. When you want a really good buzz you will mix in alcohol which in combination with pot is a powerful depressant. This cocktail of pot and alcohol is a dangerous long term combination and I highly recommend one or the other not both. I also found I developed bronchitis and heart beat irregularities. Weight gain can be a problem but if you are a serious smoker that goes away. Paranoia is for the infrequent users. A serious user again smokes to get normal. I found the pot growing experience quite enjoyable. I felt like a moonshiner. I enjoyed coming back to the farm after a hard day’s work and chilling with some pinch hits and a chew of tobacco. I would do this either outside in a beautiful nature spot or around the wood stove in winter. I would also have friends over and enjoy getting them high out of their mind into the wee hours of the morning in my log corn crib turned man cave. I think pot is a good drug in comparison to all the others especially in comparison to alcohol which definitely ruins lives. I have not used any drugs or alcohol except advil going on 9 years. I enjoy the change of lifestyle and it was like a new period in my life. It is now a kind of badge of honor being completely sober. Do I have any problem with drinking and pot smoking…NO…but I have little patience for drunks. Moderation and physical capabilities are the key. I had neither so I quit everything. That is my 2cents…and NR is right intelligent people like to get high. It chills their high speed minds down for a rest.
Northwest Resident on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 11:30 am
“It chills their high speed minds down for a rest.”
That, and tends to break down mental barriers to more creative thinking and to deeper introspection. Some of the brightest ideas I’ve ever had and put into practical action (at work, in life, in college) came to me while in a semi-high state. I make my living using my brain and analytical and creative ability in software development, working on cutting edge technology. But then again, I’ve never been a “heavy” user, nowhere close, and definitely do not like being “stoned”. BTW, when I do my 3-mile runs, I find that a little puff before doing that run tends to add a whole new enjoyable dimension — time passes quickly and the physical pain tends to be a little less than it might otherwise be. The Neanderthals of the world — religious whackos, private penitentiary owners, booze companies, people who like to control other people, total morons — like to believe that pot is dangerous and worthy of all the laws and hype they generate on the subject. Really smart people like Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, numerous world leaders, officials in all walks of life, all know that pot laws have been created by idiots for the benefit of idiots — like our local idiot whose name I shall not mention but everybody knows who he is — and have called for legalization. The fact that pot legalization laws seems to be sweeping across the country is a sign (to me) that at least in some respects good is prevailing over evil, for a change.
J-Gav on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 2:22 pm
NW – I get your last post entirely. Always been a light and occasional user of pot (though I never did any before the age of 24! – 40 years ago), but in some situations I’d have to say it has helped me out. Also agree that pot and alcohol is a bad combination. Next morning won’t be easy to deal with.
I never buy any now but sometimes have a smidgin here at home after a party where people bring some in. Sometimes I wait a week or two before smoking it – depends on stress-level, need to look for some creative thinking outside the box (photography inspiration for example), etc. Never smoke during the day, only (and rarely) evenings (I can’t run anymore – arthritis – a change after being twice Michigan high-school state champion in track-and-field and once in cross-country).
Now I walk – that’s fine – have more time to take things in … Once I finally got a decent camera in hand, that changed the whole cityscape. Basically, it’s the only thing that reconciles me with Paris. Maybe I should smoke a little more before going out on my photo walks …
J-Gav on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 2:29 pm
As for Greer’s article, I’d put this in the ‘good one’ slot, even though his repeated references to how the elites are going to be messily chopped to pieces may be OTT in the short or mid-term – he craftfully avoids putting time-frames on these evolutions, often talking in terms of centuries. My own view of coming mayhem only extends out to a very few decades.
Northwest Resident on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 4:57 pm
J-Gav — It sounds like we’re both about the same when it comes to our attitudes on pot, and other things too btw… I almost always have some, but a little bit of it lasts me a long, long, long time. I do wish I could grow it. Who knows, Washington state legalized it, maybe Oregon is next. Not that I’ll use much more if any should they legalize it here, but I will grow some killer shit in my backyard garden if they let me!!
action on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 5:55 pm
I call downs on barbarian overlord of southeast north america which i will call “actland”. I will be decked out in all black midevil samurai armor and carry a samurai sword and and an ak47. My warrior caste will sacrifice themselves to me to enslave the remnants of the moronic sheeple by brute hacking force publicly. The best of you who are still young shall stand beside me. Tremble with fear for the destruction that began with the dismemberment of tbe perfect god that we calll the universe in our pathetic lingual attempt at conceiving will be continued in my name until the is nothing for eternity, for I am one with the universe and thus one with its destruction.
action on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 6:12 pm
But for now ill settle for just being able to afford filling my gas tank.
MSN Fanboy on Thu, 18th Sep 2014 8:52 pm
More intelligent people smoke cannabis…….
just wow