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How the World Elites are Going to Betray us: Lessons from Roman History
Rutilius Namatianus is known today for his “De Reditu Suo” (of his return). It is a long poem where he tells us of his travel along the Italian coast around 416 AD, during the last decades of the Western Roman Empire. We read in it a chilling report of the ongoing collapse: abandoned cities, wastelands, ruined roads, and more.
But who was Rutilius Namatianus, and what was he doing? A patrician, a powerful man, a rich man, and also a liar and a traitor. He was running away from Rome, probably taking with him gold, slaves, and troops with the idea of building himself a feud in Southern France, where he had some possessions. In doing so, he was abandoning the people of Rome to fend off for themselves. The people whom it was his duty to defend as praefectus urbi, the prefect of Rome, the delegate of the Emperor himself.
Namatianus was doing nothing worse than other rich and powerful Romans were. Emperor Honorius himself had run away from Rome, settling in Ravenna, protected by the marshes surrounding the city and with ships ready to take him to safety in Byzantium if things were to get really bad. When Rome was besieged and taken by the Visigoths, in 410 AD, Honorius did nothing, preferring to get busy with his chicken (a legend, but with elements of truth).
If you read the chronicles of the early 5th century AD, you get the impression of total mayhem, with barbarian armies crisscrossing Europe and few, if any, Roman nobles and commanders trying to defend the Empire. Most of them seemed to be maneuvering to find a safe place where they could find safety for themselves. We don’t know what was the final destiny of Rutilius Namatianus but, since he had the time to finish his poem, we may imagine that he could build himself a castle in Southern France and his descendants may have become feudal lords. But not everyone made it. For instance, Paulinus of Pella, another rich Roman, contemporary of Namatianus, desperately tried to hold on his possessions in Europe, eventually considering himself happy just for having been able of surviving to old age.
We see a pattern here: when the rich Romans saw that things were going really out of control, they scrambled to save themselves while, at the same time, denying that things were so bad as they looked. We can see that clearly in Namatianus’ poem: he never ever hints that Rome was doomed. At most, he says, it was a temporary setback and soon Rome will be great again.
Of course, history doesn’t have to repeat itself, even though we know that it often rhymes. But the similarities of the last decades of the Western Roman Empire with our times are starting to be worrisome. Most of our elites aren’t yet running away, but some of them seem to be thinking about that (see this article by Kurt Cobb). And some are starting to build sophisticated luxury bunkers where to take refuge.
What’s most impressive is the change in attitude: as long as problems such as climate change were seen as needing just cosmetic changes, they were discussed and governments pledged to do something to solve them. Now that the problems start to be seen as impossible to deal with, they are ignored. The change is especially impressive for those regions where the climate threat is closer in time. The elites of the Maldives and the Kiribati islands (*) have reacted by denying the danger, while at the same time selling off what they have and getting ready to leave for higher grounds.
We have to be careful here: there is no conspiracy today (just as there wasn’t in Roman times) of people getting together in a secret room to decide the fate of humankind. There is, rather, a convergence of interests. People who are sufficiently wealthy to buy themselves a survival bunker may decide to do so and, at that point, it is in their best interest to downplay the threats.
It is a very different attitude from that of middle-class people. We (I assume that most readers of this blog are middle-class people) don’t have the kind of financial clout needed to plan for a future as feudal lords among the ruins of a collapsed civilization. That’s why some of us keep catastrophistic blogs, “Cassandra’s Legacy“, for instance. Blogs can hardly save us from collapse but, at least, they are efficient means of communication and maybe that’s what we need to plan for the future.
So, returning to Roman history, what happened to the Romans who couldn’t run away and reach their castles? We know that not all of them survived, but some did. While the institutions and the state crumbled down, resilient communities started to appear, often in the form of monasteries or secular communities created around “overseers” (bishops).
Can we think of something like that for our future? Yes, it is an idea that’s developing in several forms, transition towns, for instance. So far, it is just an embryonic idea, but it may grow into something important together with new ideas on how humans can relate to the ecosystem. The Romans, after all, developed a new religion to help them deal with the collapse of their society. And, as I said, history never exactly repeats itself, but it rhymes.
Cassandra’s legacy by Ugo Bardi
88 Comments on "How the World Elites are Going to Betray us: Lessons from Roman History"
Davy on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 11:36 am
“We have to be careful here: there is no conspiracy today (just as there wasn’t in Roman times) of people getting together in a secret room to decide the fate of humankind. There is, rather, a convergence of interests. People who are sufficiently wealthy to buy themselves a survival bunker may decide to do so and, at that point, it is in their best interest to downplay the threats.”
Right, people living in conspiracies like Zogs and with elite phobias are grasping for someone to blame. They must have a subject for their complaining. The world cannot agree on the smallest of things how the hell could these imaginary groups be running the world or designing its end?
GregT on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 2:29 pm
BILDERBERG MEETING 2018
Press release:
The key topics for discussion this year include:
Populism in Europe
The inequality challenge
The future of work
Artificial intelligence
The US before midterms
Free trade
US world leadership
Russia
Quantum computing
Saudi Arabia and Iran
The “post-truth” world
Current events
“The conference is a forum for informal discussions about major issues facing the world. The meetings are held under the Chatham House Rule, which states that participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s) nor any other participant may be revealed.”
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/press-release.html
Cloggie on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 2:42 pm
“Right, people living in conspiracies like Zogs and with elite phobias are grasping for someone to blame.“
You consider yourself a match against Theedrich, Antius, Greg, TheNationalist, makati and my nothingness, Davy?
Even millimind brags about The Elders, nobody can beat (except DJT in november 2016.lol)
Your attentionspan is focused on prepping, collapse, finance, empire, that’s it.
You have zero understandung regarding (social) history. Your brain is filled with empire propaganda.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 2:48 pm
Greg and clogg
Don’t forget to buy some boner pills from infowars.com..
lMFO!
GregT on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 2:59 pm
MM,
infowars.com? And they sell boner pills?
You’re just a treasure trove of meaningful information. Thanks for passing on the link dude, I’ll be sure to check it out!
Davy on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 3:39 pm
Nonsense, neder, my mind is clear and yours is cluttered with emotional attachments to a fantasy empire of history revisions and unrealistic futures. You so called racist buddies likewise are emotionally twisted. You think because you regurgitate so much tabloid nonsense that makes it true. More is not necessarily better in regards to the truth. You spam this small obscure board 24 hours a day with nonsense. WTF, don’t you have Dutch connections? Why here, maybe because a bigger blog would see your ass ripped to shreads. You feel at home here with other extremist who enjoy your Euro anti-Americanism. Easy to preach junk in a place like this where many don’t care about the truth they care about the emotional effect.
twocats on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 4:47 pm
One doesn’t need to “imagine” groups getting together to TRY and influence the world.
Bezos literally bought the Washington Post. that’s just ONE guy.
the Koch brothers funnel MILLIONS into astro-turf groups and essentially created the Tea Party and the Freedom Caucus.
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000186&type=P&state=&sort=A&cycle=2016
DAVOS is every year – they get together and connive.
and someone already posted the Bilderberg meeting.
we don’t need conspiracy theories, the truth is bad enough.
For the most part the elite have had a consensus on many key issues. this is why people say “dems and repubs are the same” – because on several key issues their interests are very closely aligned and they agree more with each other than with their respective “bases”.
but this is where peak oil and climate change come in – the consensus is breaking apart. capitalism created WWI & WWII – and yet few of its internal contradictions have been resolved. therefore another World War is inevitable unless it is replaced.
Yorchichan on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 6:44 pm
As acts of betrayal go, planning to flee to a bug-out bunker once collapse begins in earnest doesn’t seem too bad. Most of us would do the same if we had the resources.
A far greater betrayal is allowing western countries to become overrun with third world migrants. Perhaps the elite are hoping the inter-tribal conflict that will inevitably arise as vital resources become scarce will save them from having to take a more proactive role in population reduction.
fmr-paultard on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 7:13 pm
eurotard is pathetic. supertrad (pbuh) is right. eurotard is dreaming fantasy in his sleep for the return of spencer.
Darrell Cloud on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 7:41 pm
A population chart of Rome tells us pretty much how collapse goes. https://davidgalbraith.org/trivia/graph-of-the-population-of-rome-through-history/2189/
How do we survive the golden horde that will spill out of the cities? A hermit might survive. The lone wolf has a maximum shelf life of about thirty six hours. Going it alone is not a viable option for an extended period.
I have thought about what kind of social cement might hold individual fragments of a shattered society together after the collapse. The first and strongest bonding agent is family. Gangs fall in as a subcategory of families and will make up successful groups of marauders.
A second bonding agent is religion. It is no mistake that the remnant of Greek and Roman culture survived the dark ages in monasteries. I wonder if small churches might be a viable means to bring people together to discuss their options and prepare for contingencies.
Dave Thompson on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 7:48 pm
The main problem will be getting food. That will include everyone. No one will live for long bunker or not when food becomes scarce.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 8:09 pm
Retail collapse: The 57 biggest chains closing stores
https://www.nj.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/08/nj_retail_chains_closing_stores_retail_apocalypse.html
GregT on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 8:22 pm
Twocats,
“and someone already posted the Bilderberg meeting.
we don’t need conspiracy theories, the truth is bad enough.”
You are welcome to read conspiracy theories into the Bilderberg conferences if you like, or not. What I posted above is from their website.
The Bilderberg conferences include political leaders, industry and corporate leaders, central bankers, media executives, academia, and Royalty. The global elite.
Also from the Bilderberg website:
“The Bilderberg meeting is an annual three-day forum for informal discussions designed to foster dialogue between Europe and North America. The pioneering meeting grew out of the concern, expressed by leading citizens on both sides of the Atlantic, that Western Europe and North America were not working together as closely as they should on issues of common interest.”
“Throughout the years, the annual meetings have become a forum for discussion on a wide range of topics – from trade to jobs, from monetary policy to investment and from ecological challenges to the task of promoting international security. In the context of a globalised world, it is hard to think of any issue in either Europe or North America that could be tackled unilaterally.”
These people generally have very busy and hectic schedules, and don’t travel around the world in their private jets and limos, surrounded by security personnel, in complete anonymity, just to meet each other to ‘chew the fat’.
Oh, and twocats, Davos isn’t secretive, or anonymous.
DerHundistLos on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 8:24 pm
Speaking of stupid, President Dump’s Secretary of HUD recently appeared before a small group of local talking heads (the public was disinvited) in East St. Louis to declare mission accomplished. That’s right, a community so desperately poor and blighted, the only two entities with functioning commercial buildings is the police and slum lords who prey on the residents. How far have we fallen? We now have a presidential administration that tells the most egregious lies with a straight face to reassure its deplorable supporter base that Trump is making America great again.
DerHundistLos on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 8:25 pm
Speaking of stupid, President Dump’s Secretary of HUD, Ben Carson, recently appeared before a small group of local talking heads (the public was disinvited) in East St. Louis to declare mission accomplished. That’s right, a community so desperately poor and blighted, the only two entities with functioning commercial buildings is the police and slum lords who prey on the residents. How far have we fallen? We now have a presidential administration that tells the most egregious lies with a straight face to reassure its deplorable supporter base that Trump is making America great again.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 9:14 pm
Greg
Wouldn’t it be great if i could attend that meeting biliberger..And give them my argument for near term human extinction…LOL
GregT on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 9:42 pm
MM,
I’m sure that the subject has already been brought up.
It isn’t exactly rocket science.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 10:43 pm
Greg
You shouldn’t say you are sure about things you can’t be sure about..And I think you are giving them way too much credit to assume they would talk about such dark subject matter..You know what Upton Sinclair said.
Permavillage on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 10:50 pm
Except that in our case, the elite would have to leave the planet, which they can do only by death.
GregT on Wed, 8th Aug 2018 10:54 pm
MM,
Yes, I know very well what Sinclair said. I’m sure that most of these people aren’t overly concerned about trivial things like money, and/or salaries.
onlooker on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 12:49 am
Yes, the Elites have gone too far this time. Their zeal to create this monstruous world Economy is destroying the favorable conditions for much of life on this planet including Homo Sapiens. They will try some forms of technological salvation. But,its unlikely that will save them. And if they do survive, I would not envy them. Living in and among a devastated landscape, in a difficult primitive way and with the weight of what their class has been instrumental in unleashing on this planet
Cloggie on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 1:49 am
Samsung to invest in whopping 160 billion US$ over the coming 3 years:
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-08/08/c_137376327.htm
An important part will be investment in autonomous driving cars.
In contrast to many on this board, people who matter DO believe in the technology, and especially the potential to slash the required fossil fuel for driving and embedded vehicle energy with several factors, while solving en passant congestion problems and lowering the per mile price for passengers, eliminating the scourge of private car ownership.
Antius on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 2:02 am
In western countries, the only way around the Zog media-government complex is a nationalist underground. That is to say, a network of secret organizations that gradually take over society from the inside.
Overt nationalist political movements are easy to circumvent by the Zionist media; they simply back a rival ‘soft’ nationalist party, that skims off the votes, enjoys ‘respectability’ and starves the real nationalists of support.
Hence a nationalist revival in Europe will need to be supported by strong underground movements that penetrate every institution and essentially change society beneath the noses of the Zog elites.
We need a nationalist version of the Freemasons; which is linked to many satellite organisations such as charities, etc.
Cloggie on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 3:14 am
“In western countries, the only way around the Zog media-government complex is a nationalist underground. That is to say, a network of secret organizations that gradually take over society from the inside.”
Whitey has a not so secret, time tested method: a strong man
https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm
Timeline
Your Edward 1
Isabelle of Spain
Czar Nicolas
Hitler
Stalin
Putin
Perhaps Trump?
Cloggie on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 5:09 am
Here an update for millimind and davy who love to claim that “Europe is on the verge of collapse” (wishful thinking)
Dutch banking giant ING reports that the number of Dutch companies going bust has reached the lowest number in 100 years:
https://www.nu.nl/economie/5405804/ing-verwacht-jaar-minste-faillissementen-van-eeuw.html
#EuropeGoldenDecade
Davy on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 5:56 am
“Dutch banking giant ING reports that the number of Dutch companies going bust has reached the lowest number in 100 years:”
The unstainable ECB policies have nothing to do with that…cough cough.
Davy on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 6:03 am
“In western countries, the only way around the Zog media-government complex is a nationalist underground. That is to say, a network of secret organizations that gradually take over society from the inside.”
Antius, you are one of the brightest guys on the board and then you say this shit?? I am not saying there is no ZOG influence. What I am saying is this ZOG talk is extreme and fanciful. The Jews do not wield the power you believe they do. What power they do have is on the wane and will continue to deteriorate with the making of a multi-polar world we are seeing today. They have become corrupt morally and intellectually by years affluence and cockiness which has weakened their boldness to control.
Davy on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 6:12 am
“Here an update for millimind and davy who love to claim that “Europe is on the verge of collapse” (wishful thinking)”
You have a bad habit of putting words in my mouth, nederliar. I have always said the global powers are in a collapse process. I do see the EU breaking up from “what-is” currently. That is not collapse. If Europe collapses so does China and the US. You and Billy are clueless to the systematic realities of collapse. You think one can collapse and the others don’t. It does not work that way. Venezuela can collapse and is nearly collapsed but that will not kill the global economy. BTW, I do not want to see China or the EU collapse. That would be the end of us all with the normal life we have now. You guys on the other hand want my world to collapse. You want death and suffering for Americans. You anti-American extremist are sick.
Anonymouse1 on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 6:12 am
The only multi-polar around here, is you exceptionalturd. As in multi-polar personality disorder. I guess that sort of makes you qualified to discuss the topic. But not for the reasons you imagine, of course.
Davy on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 6:25 am
Here is the last real comment that has a hint of intellectual ability out of asperger:
Anonymouse1 on Sat, 28th Jul 2018 2:02 pm
Basically asperger represents background noise. The extremist like him because they like anti-American background noise. It makes them feel like they are in charge. Billy 3rd world gushes on asperger. LOL
Darrell Cloud on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 6:59 am
I get it there are circles within circles, conspiracies within conspiracies. There is little or nothing that anyone of us can do to shut these master schemes down. Most of them will run aground anyway. If you want to get through this, your time would be better focused on the hundred or so people that will form up your tribe.
deadly on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 7:15 am
Underground bunkers have to have a vent, a source for fresh air to be supplied. Air is important. Clean, fresh stuff is the best.
Bunkers underground will need some of that fresh air from outside. Find the vent hole, the intake, and place a few dead skunks around the thing.
lol
I have a bug out bunker. It is called a storm shelter. If a tornado hits and devastation occurs, I’ll be safe from all of it.
However, it the world undergoes a massive irradiation event, it is going to be much more difficult to cope with that kind of devastation.
After the massive irradiation event, you might have a chance. Those emerging from their underground bunkers after waiting six months, their provisions are running low, they need to have some sunshine, will be able to see it all. It won’t be much fun for them.
They won’t want to see any of it, it will be something they’ll never want to see.
If they make it, but I doubt it.
MASTERMIND on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 7:18 am
Clogg
Europe Economic Growth (GDP)
1973 5.4 %
1989 3.3%
2001 2%
2016 1.6%
2028 0% = Economic Collapse
Source: Harvard
Political Instability and Economic Growth – (Alesina, 1996) Journal of Economic Growth
https://www.scribd.com/document/384373317/Political-Instability-and-Economic-Growth-Alesina-1996
Source: World Bank
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locati&locations=EU
When the oil shortage hits..Its game over for Europe..Out go the lights..
Antius on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 7:45 am
“Dutch banking giant ING reports that the number of Dutch companies going bust has reached the lowest number in 100 years”
It’s amazing what almost zero interest rates can do for a country, especially when it is Europe’s only natural gas producer, is home to Europe’s biggest port and the ECB is buying up undervalued assets like there is no tomorrow.
Suffice to say, the Netherlands is doing better than most other countries in the EU and is not a good example of how well it is doing in general. Go to Southern Europe and bankruptcy is the general rule. France is creaking under the weight of public debt; wages are stagnating, industrial production is falling and the scale of unfunded pension liabilities is terrifying. Even in Germany, with its world-leading manufacturing economy, debt is growing, pension liabilities look unsustainable and the future looks progressively less prosperous.
Separatism in Europe is on the rise; Brexit was only the beginning. What it comes down to is two things: (1) The unequal wealth distribution within the EU, with Germany getting the lion’s share; (2) The complete failure of the EU to protect its own people from the invading heathen from Africa and the Islamic world. The first was an inevitable result of the common currency; the second the inevitable result of allowing Marxist idealists rather than European minded nationalists, to call the shots in the halls of power. No institution can survive treason from within.
Pretending that the world is a bed of roses when it clearly aint doesn’t do anybody any favours.
MASTERMIND on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 7:45 am
Russia has breached Florida state election systems
https://www.apnews.com/69638f51ddfb4350abb56b82357519b2/Senator:-Russia-has-breached-Florida-state-election-systems
makati1 on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 7:56 am
Looks like the Us will not be putting any satellites up in the future.
” RIA Novosti reported the Russia may respond to new U.S. sanctions by banning supplies of RD-180 rocket engines. As a reminder, RD-180 engines, produced by Russia’s NPO Energomash, are used in Atlas V rockets of space contractor United Launch Alliance LLC, a partnership between Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin Corp.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-09/russia-condemns-new-draconian-sanctions-may-ban-supply-rocket-engines-us
Keep going Trump! Destroy the Us. You are good at bankruptcy. A lot of experience. LOL
MASTERMIND on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 8:04 am
Mak
China has a bigger problem than the trade war — a ‘mountain of debt’
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-08/chinas-view-of-trumps-trade-war-is-massive-debt-a-bigger-problem/10055192
And when the oil shortage hits..Its game over.
MASTERMIND on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 8:06 am
Mak
“It has been fuelled by debt at every step of the way, to a point where now Chinese debt levels are in excess of those in the United States.”
HAHHA
Antius on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 8:08 am
“Senator: Russia has breached Florida state election systems”
As a matter of fact, Russia did influence the US elections. They gave millions of dollars to the Clinton foundation, which was directly used to finance the Democrat campaign, in exchange for 10% of America’s uranium!
How can Democrats honestly keep a straight face when they accuse Russia of interference, when they are its beneficiaries?! Even with Russian money, an open cheque from the country’s oligarch Jews, corruption of the FBI, the entire US media in their pocket, Hollywood whores campaigning for them, etc, etc, they could not win the last election.
Is that really because of the evil Russians? Or is it perhaps that their candidate was a crime lord guilty of fraud and murder and what they have to offer doesn’t serve the interests of any American that isn’t sick in the brain?
P.S. How much would the Russians need to interfere in US elections, before they reach the same level of interference as Israel? Just thought I would ask.
Davy on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 8:18 am
What’s the matter billy? Is your tabloid regurgitate not holding up to reality? I thought the US was supposed to be bankrupt and collapse by now. Hasn’t happens and your bric babies are little more than what they were 5 years ago. There is no golden Asian age. Reality is slapping you in the face big time.
fmr-paultard on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 8:38 am
gregt please watch
https://youtu.be/YQA6TK65iVM?t=208
fuhrer said he has no use for politics
he said exactly what you said about yourself
if this is advice of hot gf while having sex, it’s extremely unwise and tarding
Simon on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 8:57 am
@Antius, Bankruptcy is the norm ?
Do you have any figures to back this up ?
Also can you name any EU countries that are in recession (three months continuous negative growth)
As for the rise of separatism, given that (although not reported in the UK) the 5* movement is pro-Europe, just anti austerity can you name any evidence for this ?
Seems we are doing fine, just kicking the can down the road, giving the ECB time to bail us out of our debt problems
fmr-paultard on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 9:03 am
hello aswang supertrad elon musk has rocket engine and vehicle that can be relaunched. the rating is 5m lbs of thrust
rd-180 is is short of 1 mln lbs of thrust and supertards have plan to manufacture in us or replace.
please kick the anti-american dog i made of granite and dressed up to look like it’s alive
Cloggie on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 9:08 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6042765/EU-offer-UK-stay-single-market-goods-without-free-movement.html
EU possibly prepared to accept major UK demand on restriction of free movement of people.
I’m a big fan of European cooperation, always have been, in matters of economy, euro, single market, strong army, space agency, EADS, in order to rollback 1945 and the unbearable idea of being colonized by a former colony of three centuries.
But restriction of free movement of people is something I would love to have for Holland as well.
Simon on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 9:14 am
Careful Cloggie, citations from the Daily mail are …. suspect apparently they are not accepted in Wikipedia whilst RT citations are, sais something right there
fmr-paultard on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 9:19 am
hello mr. simon. are you being sarcastic? if not then than you for providing some semblance of balance to constant 24/7 anti american propaganda. i’m satisifed with your neutrality if you’re sarcastic and i consider temporary retirement
jmm on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 9:29 am
de koning van nederland heeft ook al een eiand in griekenland gekocht.
Cloggie on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 9:37 am
Simon, I do not accept any of these sources as absolute authority, but if several sources say the same thing it is probably true.
The highest authority for me is my brain, experience and intuition. It is all I have.
Simon on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 9:42 am
Hi Cloggie
You are probably safe with that .. probably 🙂
I doubt the EU would offer the UK to remove one of our 4 freedoms, however the UK have never implemented the EU’s anti economic migration regulations, so maybe they are going to re-brand this and allow TM to save face.
Cloggie on Thu, 9th Aug 2018 10:16 am
https://www.google.nl/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/the-eu-is-preparing-to-offer-a-major-brexit-concession-to-theresa-may-2018-8
Simon, this concession will not fly. Britain simply doesn’t want to be tied to continental Europe. And since Britain is too small to be autark, like it was in the 19th century, Britain leaving Europe means Britain becoming a junior member of Anglosphere, read the US.
De Gaulle was right, Britain should never have become member of Europe. We need to separate, Europe making a U-turn to Russia and China and leaving the West, Britain becoming the 51st US state. Cherry-picking will not be tolerated, you are in or out.
I expect Europe to soon begin to rigorously arm itself, incl nukes, in cooperation with Russia as soon as Merkel has been kicked out.
Oh and with the Anglos out of the way as overlords, we can give the boot to multiculturalism.
And as a Brit you don’t want to own a 2nd home in Gibraltar, wink, wink.