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Collapse guru Jared Diamond says we should heed the warning of the Greenland Vikings, whose record was nowhere near as good as their Minnesota namesakes.
“If anyone tells you that there’s a single-factor explanation for societal collapse,” says collapse guru Jared Diamond, “you know right away that they’re an idiot. This is a complex subject.”
So, forget about peak debt, peak oil, peak climate, peak Harry Potter or even peak everything as the single most important problem that could bring today’s whole pulsing, beaming and txt-mssgng mess down into a lifeless pile of shorted-out microchips, rusted carburetors and busted sporks from Taco Bell.
In a TED talk that Diamond gave in 2003 with eerie relevance for this very minute, the author of two books on collapse, the solid-gold hit Guns, Germs and Steel and the more recent Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed, outlined five factors required for any advanced society to give up the ghost.
For each factor, Diamond gives an example from the Greenland Norse. These were the unlucky Vikings who, when it came time to diversify out of raping and pillaging into the more profitable business of running a civilization, missed the boats to Sicily or Normandy, where their more fortunate countrymen set up colonies.
Instead, starting in the year 984, these poor schlubs wound up on an un-aptly named island in the North Atlantic with precious few trees but plenty of rocks and glaciers. Maybe not the brightest torches in the longboat, the Greenland Norse were at least smart enough to eke out a basic European lifestyle on their huge, sparse island for about 500 years, until the last of them died off around 1450.
Why’d they fail? Here’s their Fatal Five:
Were these people so stupid that they didn’t know what was going on? And if they did know, then were they too fat and lazy to do anything about it? Diamond’s students at UCLA ask these questions all the time about the societies they study in his collapse class (why wasn’t that offered at my college?), from the Yucatan Maya to the USSR.
You do have to wonder, couldn’t Joe and Thjodhilde Viking tear themselves away from Greenland’s Got Talent long enough to see that some abbot was cutting down the last tree to carve a honkin’ big crucifix for the Good Friday procession?
These guys gave new meaning to the phrase “everybody complains about the price of blubber but nobody does anything about it.”
Diamond thinks a big problem was that the rich and powerful were so into keeping up with the Joneses — “flogging” the land (that’s over-farming to you and me) to compete with other chiefs for who could bring in the most crops and support the biggest posse of loyal retainers — to do anything to stop the madness.
Or, as Diamond puts it, there was a conflict between the short-term interest of the elites and the long-term interest of the whole society. And, since the chiefs and bishops were largely insulated from the problems that their reckless consumption created, they didn’t see how messed up things were getting until it was too late.
If you think this sounds a lot like today’s big corporations — squeezing all the cash they can out of foreclosing mortgages, shuttering factories and cheating on their taxes, all while buying politicians who will do anything from invading Turkmenistan to erecting a monument to Clean Coal on the National Mall just to keep the fossil fuels coming fast and cheap, climate change be damned — then you’re just not thinking like a good Greenlander.
By living in gated communities and drinking bottled water, the rich can keep their high times going a bit longer while the rest of us start getting pretty hot and bothered, thinks Diamond.
Diamond’s not just trying to spoil your afternoon. He’s trying to scare us all straight. Society can address the problems ourselves, trying to minimize suffering. Or we can just jolly well wait and see what happens, which we seem to be doing a pretty good job at right now.
We know how that turned out in Greenland. And it was cold (!) comfort that, when the last peat fire fizzled out and the last strip of seal jerky was gnawed, the chiefs died along with the peasants. A reminder that the Koch brothers will probably go down with the welfare moms, eventually.
Click here to watch the video at the TED website.
– Erik Curren, Transition Voice
10 Comments on "Five bummer problems that make societies collapse"
notbob on Thu, 18th Aug 2011 9:28 pm
The Vikings were horrible last season 😛
DC on Thu, 18th Aug 2011 10:13 pm
I guess well soon be an oil-age culture with no more freakin way to make oil!
Wonderfullly snarky article 🙂
MrEnergyCzar on Fri, 19th Aug 2011 12:09 am
Brilliant…
BillT on Fri, 19th Aug 2011 9:59 am
Why does it cut off before it should? I cannot get past the ‘elites’ comment about 80% through the video.
papa's pizzeria on Tue, 28th Feb 2023 5:42 am
According to Diamond, the wealthy can prolong their high times while the rest of us start to feel fairly heated and bothered by living in gated communities and using bottled water.
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Diamond claims that while the rest of us start to feel very hot and disturbed by living in gated communities and consuming bottled water, the rich may prolong their high times.
Summertime Saga on Sun, 29th Jun 2025 3:29 am
This piece cleverly blends wit and warning, reminding us that the collapse of societies is never triggered by a single factor, no matter how tempting it is to pin it on one crisis. The Greenland Vikings’ slow demise is a humbling case study—showing how environment, stubbornness, isolation, and bad luck can combine in deadly ways. Diamond’s insight that complexity is at the heart of societal failure feels more urgent than ever in our hyper-connected, fragile world. Maybe it’s time we stop looking for one “p
playcolorblockjam on Sat, 26th Jul 2025 3:30 am
This post really makes you think about how complex societal collapse can be. Jared Diamond’s point about no single factor causing collapse is eye-opening. It’s scary but important to consider all these bummer problems together. Thanks for sharing such a thought-provoking read!