[Tyler_JC]

I think a world with fewer birds is a better world.

[Daculling]

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[jboogy]

Seems these evil windmills are the least of the birds problems , deforestation , global warming , pesticides , bird-egg eating snakes , cats and of course the feather stuffed pillow industry are , to me , much more pressing problems that the birds need to deal with. Leave the evil but defenseless windmills alone .

[eastbay]

"Our way of life is not negotiable."

GWB



Yeah, who needs a bunch of golden eagles anyhow, especially if they get in the way of our way of life.

[Daculling]

A bald eagle perched in my backyard last week. It looked at me and opened it's mouth then flew away. I told my family but no one believes me. I don't know why... I'm in their nesting zone. It was pretty cool.

[RonMN]

Eastbay Wrote:
... but there must be a better, kinder way to add a measly 1% to the US electric supply. Remember... if those Altamont windmills were all gone it wouldn't be noticed anywhere

You F'n greenies have all the answers dontchy?

YOU scream for ethanol & biofuels for decades & once billion$ are invested...THEN you scream that people are going hungry.

YOU scream for wind power & birds are dying...

Soon YOU will scream for more solar, only to find out that it adds to global warming...and YOU BLAME OTHERS!

Do you understand that the next thing you're "in favor of" will also destroy?

There IS NO perfect sollution.

Get over it!

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '
')Do you understand that the next thing you're "in favor of" will also destroy?

There IS NO perfect sollution.

Get over it!

[hubbertspeak7777777]

Boo fucking hoo. Living organisms die, get the fuck over it... it's part of life. Nobody is gonna miss a few birds (except for dirty hippies and their opinion doesn't count).
Take the dead birds and feed them to the homeless.

[jboogy]

BRAINSTORM !!! ( or an aneurism ) relocate all the stinkin' hippies to this windmill valley and then hand 'em all jetpacks and windowpanes. Watch the filthy basterds smack into the propellers whacked outta their gourds. Entertainment and thinning the smelly hippy population at the same time.

[eastbay]

It's more and more obvious to me that peak oil is happening just in the nick of time. Thank goodness!

Can you imagine the carnage we would have if humans were allowed to continue their cheap oil powered rampage on this earth indefinitely?

All of the wonderful gifts of nature would be subordinated to cheap lights and gasoline.

Really, we're running out of resources just in time... hopefully the cliff is soon and sharp.

[Hawkcreek]

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[eastbay]

It's only the larger ones... you know, the ones that wouldn't be there at all if not for the assorted tax breaks and other publicly funded incentives of one kind or another.

[strider3700]

During various stages of testing last year I ran a turbine in my front yard for most of the year. The end results were

turbine - 0 kills
picture window - 3 confirmed kills
cat - 20+ confirmed kills and so many parts it was hard to identify species.

I'm not in the least bit worried about the bird population with my turbine.

[RonMN]

I want to say sorry, I had a few drinks lastnight & got a little lippy.

But anyhoo, what I meant to say is...rather than complaining about bird deaths, why not figure out a way to prevent it.

Maybe a certain paint pattern on the windmill blades may alert the birds to keep away.

Maybe a whisteling noise from the blades could avert this problem.

Or maybe this could solve world hunger

Just tossing out ideas.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'I') want to say sorry, I had a few drinks lastnight & got a little lippy.

[RonMN]

Quote:
But this is all too true...

Yup, I'm not retracting anything I said...But I didn't need to be a prick about it

[lawnchair]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '
')Nuclear
That looks like steam, to a bird that looks like a cloud and maybe a nice perch. It may be hot, it may be cool. If it's hot birds cook flying though it. If it's cool, birds suffocate flying though it.

[Tyler_JC]

What's with this obsession over perfection?

Why do we need a perfect energy source? Or a perfect anything for that matter?

[eastbay]

No problem Ron... I read through your commentary, as we all must do around here from time to time... I'm used to being in the minority opinion so harsh comments are cool if you must.

Tyler, no one's seeking perfection... it's just that there must be a better way to generate electricity than to do it by adding such a teeny tiny percentage of power at the terrible cost of eliminating all the golden eagles from the windmills surrounding areas.

These wonderful creatures are no longer are found in so many of their former habitat, and are quickly going extinct in so many more.

With our (humanities) combined intelligence we should be able to find a better solution. Do we really need that tiny additional bit of electricity? Maybe... but maybe we could get by without it too, you know, find a common sense middle path.

Maybe I'm wrong... maybe we're destined to render creatures we encounter extinct. It just seems fundamentally wrong to do so IMO... obviously others will differ... as we all seem to differ about such matters.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')These wonderful creatures are no longer are found in so many of their former habitat, and are quickly going extinct in so many more.